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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Why do you want us to write a defence for the guy you want to lynch? Because I am trying to ascertain if I am missing something. I wrote a pretty good case detailing the scum mentality in his play. You three have simply refuted prome being scum with light comments, that in my opinion are not even town tells. ========= This reminds me of a situation in Nomination Mafia with JX being lynch bait. Town was sold on him as scum; and it was scum who came in and gave soft-defenses on JX with no committment ========= If you are scum, you know prome alignment you are either giving an easy soft-defense on a confirmed townie.. OR defending a scum buddy. If you are town, I can understand giving a light comment; however, again, considering prome is not here for a defense - I am asking this to be upgraded to a heavy comment. I think the request is reasonable. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Why do you want us to write a defence for the guy you want to lynch? wrong answer. If the guy you quoted is town he is open minded and if your defense proves is suspicion on prom to be incorrect he'll be happy to tell you so and look for someone else. You don't tell people to do only stuff that aligns with your thoughts... It is concering that he wants people to explain a lack of scuminess though. That's just not going to happen. There's no point in defending prom for anyone in this game unless your name is prom or you have someone you consider to be far more scummy. The first one is irrelevant, the second one is done by explaining why you think guy-#2 is scummier and should be an option as well. So while the question might look decent and open minded it's actually really naive to assume something like that would help at all. | ||
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Vivax
22426 Posts
Not ask others to defend someone most seem to believe to be scum. Let's assume you and Prom are scum together, then you're currently trying to manipulate people into incriminating themselves. | ||
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Restraining Order
Qatar276 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:45 Toadesstern wrote: wrong answer. If the guy you quoted is town he is open minded and if your defense proves is suspicion on prom to be incorrect he'll be happy to tell you so and look for someone else. You don't tell people to do only stuff that aligns with your thoughts... It is concering that he wants people to explain a lack of scuminess though. That's just not going to happen. There's no point in defending prom for anyone in this game unless your name is prom or you have someone you consider to be far more scummy. The first one is irrelevant, the second one is done by explaining why you think guy-#2 is scummier and should be an option as well. So while the question might look decent and open minded it's actually really naive to assume something like that would help at all. Both answers sound pretty correct to me. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 01:51 Vivax wrote: You could try to convince me Prom is scum and debunking my mentioned point instead of asking me to write a defence. Not ask others to defend someone most seem to believe to be scum. Let's assume you and Prom are scum together, then you're currently trying to manipulate people into incriminating themselves. LOl.. now I know why BH responded to aquanim by pasting the link to his case. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=37#726 I still think it is a solid behavioral analysis from the information we have.. I have yet to see this debunked by you, JJ or iamp. Do you take issue with any of the points? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Vivax
22426 Posts
Reason x: 180' stance shifts Reason y: Though reads are subject to change Day1 (rapidly); prome has chosen meaningless points to base his stance shifts on. There is a distinct lack of conviction behind the thought process. I think the points I mentioned for Prom being scum are more reliable than the ones you use, subjectively. But there is still his willingness to change read on me that leaves me troubled. I don't want to elect a dude who thinks I'm scum either. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 27 2013 02:05 Vivax wrote: I think the points I mentioned for Prom being scum are more reliable than the ones you use, subjectively. ? On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. | ||
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Vivax
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
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Vivax
22426 Posts
How about you go read my huge dump back there. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
due to a null outcome.. the second instance would be mocking my case. Noted it is the first instance. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
For instance - either way Prom flips but especially green I'd find Glurio to be highly suspect http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&user=68375 - he contributed nothing then spends his whole filter basically parroting my case and pushing the Prom bandwagon, not necessarily terrible, it only seems suspicious because he hadn't contributed anything before this. I have no problem with townies pushing my bandwagon - that's the whole point of making a case. Is there a reason you were absent until now Glurio? The fact that Prom isn't aggressively defending himself and seems to have basically given up makes me doubtful though. I think ObviousOne (for reasons already mentioned, read posts by Aquanim and the Milkman, I can go more in depth) is likely mafia. I also think vigilantes/detectives ought to look closely through the filter of WaveofShadow and jcarlsoniv with a copy of Ver's Town Guide in the next tab and see what you feel like doing tonight. Vivax is an immediate lynch if Promethelax flips red. Do not allow anyone to derail this. His huge post of reads and little categorizations is the worst post I've seen in this game so far. Not necessarily in pure scumminess, but just in how little substance it has. How unhelpful. I don't care who is "the serious one" or "the jokey one", what the fuck does that have to do with finding scum? My point is - WHY SHOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT AN UNDEVELOPED READ? - If you're going to spend the game throwing FoS's around and little reads "Oh, I'm leaning scum on DrH, his posting is really aggressive...." "Oh, I think DrH is really towny he's made a lot of sense to me" ^ if that's the best you can do, don't bother. That won't convince anyone. In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis. Oh, good thing I read that huge ass post only to learn you have no fucking opinion. If I can come up with strong reads looking through peoples filters, why can't you put in that work? Oh, you're not looking for scum, you're looking to see who the "serious" and "jokey" players are. What a huge credit to town. I submit that Vivax should be nightkilled. If he's scum, great. If he's town that's a few more long posts that I no longer have to waste my time reading. If Prom flips red, he's done. | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 27 2013 02:05 Vivax wrote: I think the points I mentioned for Prom being scum are more reliable than the ones you use, subjectively. "I have knowledge that Prom is scum therefore I can make a better argument, since he's my teammate and all" ? On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. "But Prom is my teammate, we should all really lack confidence about this lynch!" How about we lynch the guy that attacked me that one time. I know it was a totally insignificant part of the thread but it matters to me. Everyone pay attention to how great my post was earlier? Did you read it????? Did you read it? I'm town!" | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 27 2013 02:22 glurio wrote: Game started at 1 am my time, had to work this morning and it took me nearly 3 hours to read all those pages, that's why it took so long to contribute. I'd like to hear your thoughts about something other than Prom right now. Do you have a gut scumread that no one has discussed yet? | ||
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Vivax
22426 Posts
What if Prom flips green, does that mean you shouldn't be lynching me? How do you get to such conclusions? Are you saying that explaining my thought process behind my play is little substance? Bossing people around is scumhunting? | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
Still don't like the part in OOs play i pointed out earlier. Also JJ but thats partially because i assume prom flips red and he defended him with his weird post and didn't expend so far. And he attacked macho man who i didn't think anything scummy about in his filter. Already said that though. | ||
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Vivax
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