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On February 28 2013 08:31 geript wrote:
Quite frankly, I think it's a bunch of bull that we got it around 7-6-6-5 and then it was decided that it was impossible to get prom into the pardoner position. It's a bunch of bull and if I had a gun I'd shoot as many people as I could who said that. One of these days...
geript switching prom to pardoner is a valid option but only when the mayor is comfortably ahead since that couldn't happen neither could the switch
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urgh I'm tired and can't count. This shouldn't be so close. I don't get why it's gone so quiet. And BH you should know better than to try to make it this close especially when you were okay with the other candidates and they will lynch the same person as you.
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On February 28 2013 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Jesus it's one extra vote for the mayor. Who cares. Just don't give DrH the satisfaction of becoming it, I can't stand that guy already if he gets some more ego his body will start to synthesize cocaine.
This is not a valid way to oppose a candidate
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On February 28 2013 08:43 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 08:41 layabout wrote:urgh I'm tired and can't count. This shouldn't be so close. I don't get why it's gone so quiet. And BH you should know better than to try to make it this close especially when you were okay with the other candidates and they will lynch the same person as you. To make it this close? There's no danger unless for some horrible reason people vote for prom. Like, the three candidates for mayor are all good, and one of them, me, is the BEST. The only way danger would exist is if someone voted for prom and we nailed down that coffin so what's your deal
There is more risk associated with 3 candidates than 2 and we are in a situation that has given mafia the power to choose the roles if they wish. Even if you don't mind them being able to do this it is a failure for town to allow this to happen especially when we have had this long and when the candidates are so similar and do not object to each other being voted. One of the 3 should have stepped down earlier, given that Dr.h stood because he felt people were uncomfortable with voting you this really should have been you.
+ Show Spoiler +unless he was talking about ve in which case it should have been him
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On February 28 2013 08:51 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 08:49 layabout wrote:On February 28 2013 08:43 Wade Fell wrote:On February 28 2013 08:41 layabout wrote:urgh I'm tired and can't count. This shouldn't be so close. I don't get why it's gone so quiet. And BH you should know better than to try to make it this close especially when you were okay with the other candidates and they will lynch the same person as you. To make it this close? There's no danger unless for some horrible reason people vote for prom. Like, the three candidates for mayor are all good, and one of them, me, is the BEST. The only way danger would exist is if someone voted for prom and we nailed down that coffin so what's your deal There is more risk associated with 3 candidates than 2 and we are in a situation that has given mafia the power to choose the roles if they wish. Even if you don't mind them being able to do this it is a failure for town to allow this to happen especially when we have had this long and when the candidates are so similar and do not object to each other being voted. One of the 3 should have stepped down earlier, given that Dr.h stood because he felt people were uncomfortable with voting you this really should have been you. + Show Spoiler +unless he was talking about ve in which case it should have been him You just don't like me and literally said you want to kill me regardless of my alignment. Nobody can trust anything you have to say on me, and nobody should listen to any of your reads on me this game.
Hasn't stopped me from being objective, my first post against you (the second one is still valid) was made without knowing who you are.
+ Show Spoiler +I dislike the way you play not you personally you can thank me for 5 starring some of your blogs
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vigis on ObviousOne MachoMan or Vivax, lurkers are also acceptable targets.
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On February 28 2013 09:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:06 layabout wrote:
vigis on ObviousOne MachoMan or Vivax, lurkers are also acceptable targets. I want to know why you want me vigged but don't seem to find the arguments to make a case on me.
You were null until a few hours ago and at that point making a case was not a priority.
Your analysis post with the diggerpic was either an effort to look like you were you were contributing or a good indicator of your mindset but i am undecided on which i think it was. But when you pushed aquanim that made very little sense to me. I thought you had been more focused on lurkers than you are upon rereading.
I can't figure you out and i am confident enough in others looking better than you to want to see your flip.
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On February 28 2013 09:21 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:20 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:On February 28 2013 09:11 Toadesstern wrote:On February 28 2013 09:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:Oh, cool. Gj guys. On February 28 2013 09:07 Toadesstern wrote:
that being said Laya, VE (sadly), and I myself are all pretty much confirmed town, dr.H as well though not as much (from a objective point of view ignoring everything else because of timestamps, if you add everything else he probably looks better than the 3 of us).
So protecting anyone in that list sounds good to me.
Grush is the next mafia that needs to be either shot or vigged.
See you tomorrow. I'm not sure if I missed something, but why is laya confirmed town? And you would obviously say that you're confirmed town yourself... I don't think Laya and VE would sheep me onto voting prom 2 hours into the game if they'd be in his team at all. No way at all. Why are you assuming Laya and VE are on the same team? I haven't had anything that's made me necessarily think laya is town. It would be very easy for scum to gain town cred by sheeping Prom. From very early in the day, it was clear that he was going to be killed. The only real question was who would be the mayor to do it. Look at the timestamps. I voted Prom 2 hours into the game telling people to dayvig, vote him in case we don't have a dayvig and ignore everything else because we need to make sure Prom dies no matter what. Both Laya and VE agreed with that. Again, 2 hours into the day. There's about NO WAY one of those 2 is mafia based on it, especially considering that they both sheeped my initial post, the one that was barely explained and only a request for prom to explain himself that made him scumslip 30 minutes afterwards. VE and Laya both agreed before that happened. Before that Layabout asked for a kill on WadeFell, so what gives?
If it's helpful I asked that in a semi-serious way to direct towards lynch discussion. I commented on prom because i thought it was important and i changed my mind when i reread the next day.
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On February 28 2013 09:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 09:25 layabout wrote:On February 28 2013 09:10 Vivax wrote:On February 28 2013 09:06 layabout wrote:
vigis on ObviousOne MachoMan or Vivax, lurkers are also acceptable targets. I want to know why you want me vigged but don't seem to find the arguments to make a case on me. You were null until a few hours ago and at that point making a case was not a priority. Your analysis post with the diggerpic was either an effort to look like you were you were contributing or a good indicator of your mindset but i am undecided on which i think it was. But when you pushed aquanim that made very little sense to me. I thought you had been more focused on lurkers than you are upon rereading. I can't figure you out and i am confident enough in others looking better than you to want to see your flip. What is this post? You're saying I'm null for you but you want me vigged based on exclusion of everyone else?
More or less, but you are null and confusing.
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On February 28 2013 09:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll be making a case later for vigilantes to nightkill layabout, if my reads are correct. JungleJorge must be the next to die by the lynch or from a dayvig. I can think of absolutely no other reason for his behavior.
Don't be dumb
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I'm not seeing aqua as scum and geript stop being silly
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On March 01 2013 06:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 06:39 Vivax wrote:
Well, I feel like Toad did indeed contribute much in getting Prom lynched, I don't think he'd be the guy to bring so much attention to a scumbuddy that early.
What I fail to understand is how Toad disliked to opt for the mayor role in that case, I am used to Toad having a high opinion of himself and given how he's been spitting on VE multiple times I would have expected him to try and get elected there instead of him, so I don't see his motivation to steer clear of that role, that might mean he's trying to avoid the spotlight or responsible positions.
BANG
Isn't that more or less what Toad did in fruity when vivax was mafia with him?
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As in toad brought attention to yamato and was one of the first votes on him vivax should know that Toad would do this as scum, Toad also discussed how he had know problems bussing teammates early on.
(if you want to read if Toad was smurfing as wewinmafia)
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But right now the quality is mind-numbingly awful.
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On March 01 2013 08:07 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 07:43 layabout wrote:
As in toad brought attention to yamato and was one of the first votes on him vivax should know that Toad would do this as scum, Toad also discussed how he had know problems bussing teammates early on.
(if you want to read if Toad was smurfing as wewinmafia) that's a lie, as already mentioned and shown. Not sure if I gave links but I'm pretty sure Vivax accused me of this bullshit already somewhere down the road and I called bullshit on him.
Must of misremember then.
I would swear you have talked about bussing or calling out your teammates and that it's something you have done before. Not saying you did it this game though.
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Aqua since the main point of your case is that hassy tried to be pardoner what do you think of the fact that he ran for a similar role in Holy Roman mafia on a similar basis won it and didn't use it?
Despite that being a theme/ troll game it doesn't change that he has done the exact thing that you are calling him scum for as town.
I think we should lynch macho today or failing that chez since I trust BC on this. night.
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Today we lynch Chezinu
why you ask?
well look:
On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 08:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Guess there can't be anything done about people not having a clue... Anyways shoot Macho / Grush and one out of BC / chez.
There'll be 2 or 3 mafias in there imo. The lynch on prom wasn't easy because it was an early bus (I know I'm town I am pretty damn certain VE and Laya are just being stupid right now) but because noone did something against it.
I'd say that means we have a vet on team mafia who wasn't around or wasn't active. That's BC and Chez for me right now. Maybe Dr.H because he started being active late but that's unlikely.
Don't lynch VE if someone was really stupid enough to shoot me because of what people said lately and don't listen to any "one of VE/Toad has to be mafia crap". We're both really egocentrical, both really volatile, both really proud, both resentful and those kind of attitudes easily clash with each other. So despite still being really angry about this game and being told I'm mafia for *insert random towntrait here* I realy don't think he's mafia.
Look for people who kept on telling bullshit about how we should be lynching into anyone like VE or me today (once grush and Macho are dead) because again, I'm pretty damn certain there won't be a mafia in Laya / VE and I'm also pretty damn certain Dr.H / BC aren't stupid.
Maybe BH is an alternative as well, he's been really unreasonable throughout d1 but that's kind of his thing so he's really hard to judge for me and I'd say BC / Chez are way more likely to flip mafia than BH is. Still, don't listen to anyone spouting nonsense about how we have to lynch into people looking good because the lynch was to easy. If that's the case (I'm pretty certain it wasn't) you deal with those people later on. Deal with people who are easy to read and lynch people who are looking bad because they're looking bad. Don't make it overly complex and try to pull big plays by lynching some random dude that makes 0 sense to lynch unless *insert fancy conspiracy theory* is true.
That's it from me for today. I ignored everything VE said. This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red.
Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case.
It's also worth pointing out that since mafia* decided to shoot BC then they felt that he was a threat to them. In other words at least one of the people on the mafia team wanted BC dead.+ Show Spoiler [*] + (most likely unless there is a sk and there were blocked shots)
On March 01 2013 08:57 VayeshMoru wrote:
not sure why obviousone is on so many lists -_-
However
Jcarlsoniv
Geript
Junglejorge
Layabout
Hassy
Chez**
likely in that list is 2 mafia and 1 third party.
Haven't put in much more thought but RO, WF and milkman should all be on everyones watch lists as well. If DrH stops contributing like he did day 1 then hes likely third party.
Before anyone asks why I care about mafia and third party. Town has to off them to win as well.
**I have added to colors to reflect my own reads.
Now if none of these players are scum then mafia's shot makes much less sense, and if 1 is scum it's chez, 2 then probably chez and hassy. But why am i so sure it's chezinu?
Well the majority of players in this game have probably been skipping/ignoring/not getting chezinu's posting. I expect most people to have labelled him "null" because his posting style is unconventional. But BC is one the the players that can at least read him sometimes. And the way to do this is by activity. So BC had a scum read on Chezinu. When you factor in the way that BC almost got Dr.h it's clear that he had the ability to push a chezinu lynch if he so desired. Removing BC would greatly reduce the chance that he would be lynched.
I cannot remember the game exactly but chezinu was mafia and was lurking just how is has done this game and he was nailed on such a meta case and lynched and that reinforces my belief that he is scum this game.
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It's also worth pointing out that chez's target was somebody that i think looked quite town but had low enough thread presence for mafia to shoot him and maybe get away with it, if chez had killed someone like doch then he would get insta-lynched.
As to my comments about hassy they are a reflection of my view on lurkers.
Q: How does town deal with lurkers on day1?
A: Town ignores them. They are very difficult to read and are often absent for reason beyond their control, we do not know why they are absent. Town instead focuses on players which are there and lynches the scummiest of the bunch. Town relies on blue roles with KP to deal with lurkers since they are at best a coinflip. Players that focus their attention on lurkers day 1 are players that are focusing on easy targets that may not do much to defend themselves rather than players that are doing things that they can be held accountable for and that can be analyzed. These players are acting in a way that furthers mafia goals more than it does town. Town lynches lurkers on day1 when it cannot reach a consensus and because lurkers are dangerous players to have around endgame since they are such a coinflip.
So I picked up on people posting and pushing lurkers. As far as Hassy was concerned since he is also from the UK and nobody had answered prom's question about why he might be absent i felt that i should. I have also experienced coming into a game that starts at a very late time for me and being met with a thread full of people calling me scum because i missed 16 or so hours which can be very frustrating if you don't have much time.
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Also the push against Toad is confusing since he did so much for us day1 and is likely town because of it. If he is mafia then over the course of the game the towncred from bussing day1 will not last and his alignment will become clear. I don't think it's sensible to assume that Toad super-bussed on day1. If you are assuming outstanding mafia play you should go back and ask yourself why, at that point in the game the majority of mafia teams have not got their shit together.
Additionally Toad's attempt to come up with players that he views ads confirmed town in thread reflects town thinking not mafia thinking. Mafia need to be able to push lynches again town at some point in the game and having a bunch of players that they cannot touch reduces their ability to do this. It's also harder for them to push their agenda opposite trusted town figures. Conversely it is town job to find these figures, though generally people don't feel the need to say who is almost certainly town since these players are so easy to identify. But since Toad named me my perspective might be slightly different.
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jcarl is chezinu is scum then if he thinks he is has a reasonable chance of dying his best course of action is to use his shot during the first 24hours so that it is not wasted.
plus they knew about 1 town vig and if they were responsible for the nightkills they know that if there is 3rd party it's likely the bartender likely, they also knew there was a town tracker. This suggests that there would be less KP left over and potentially more roles that have to visit people, and less chance of a town vig.
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