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On February 26 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you're scum you'll tell me eventually in this thread...the way Vivax and Prom have.

On February 26 2013 10:57 geript wrote:
Wave lurked most of day 1 and was semi-active in the last 8 or so, maybe more. Right now my top scum read is on WoS. His emotion core is drastically different from that in nmm36. In 36 his emotions were consistent and now theyre mostly crashing between joking and angry. All of it feels forced and unnatural. His post style is far different as well. Lots of little nothing posts

On February 26 2013 11:01 Restraining Order wrote:

I don't see as big of a difference as you make it sound.

And slight differences in posting are to be fully expected from new players.

On February 26 2013 11:02 geript wrote:
@MS yes at points.

On February 26 2013 11:08 Promethelax wrote:


Hey I did run. No one liked my candidacy. But if you want to vote me I'd run again.

On February 26 2013 11:51 TestSubject893 wrote:


You either didn't think this plan through or are just trying to pull one over on everyone. If we give Pardoner to you (or anyone) we can't trust that they won't just save themselves if we decide to lynch them. The only real choices I see are killing the Pardoner D1 or giving it to a player we trust. Giving it to someone who we think will die might sound good, but voicing that sentiment means that they probably won't and not only will we be no closer to figuring out if that person is mafia, but it will take 2 days if we do decide to lynch them.

On February 26 2013 12:00 Restraining Order wrote:

Because his posts shows the kind of logic I would expect a townie to use. I find it hard to believe scum would fake something like this, especially not a new player. And it doesn't look copy-pasted.

In a way, his plan works, even though it's not a good plan, because he proposed a plan that's not good, which makes it kinda good.

You four: if you need a discussion prompter; what do you make of me?

On February 26 2013 12:09 TestSubject893 wrote:
You're gonna have to help me here. What do you mean when you say "sheep this"?

On February 26 2013 12:14 geript wrote:

Moc that whole post looks fishy to me, this line seems especially out of place from Wave. Do you really like it that much?

On February 26 2013 12:02 MilkSuckler wrote:
@WoS: Whilst I applaud your confidence to stand before the experienced players present and declare you're love of town; it does little to earn my trust.

On February 26 2013 12:18 TestSubject893 wrote:


I still don't understand, sorry. My question really is what does sheep mean in this context? I know that's a noob question, sorry; this is only my 3rd game on TL.

On February 26 2013 12:21 geript wrote:
Was referring to the "that post is likely generated by town" comment. My point is that I still don't like how his core fluctuates and it seems more like he's rewriting scripted posts and trying to blend under the newbie umbrella.

On February 26 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I don't want to be mayor, no.

On February 26 2013 12:33 VayeshMoru wrote:


Vayesh thinks that any man of reason or sense could transfer this concept from an old world and make it work for his alternate personality of this world.

On February 26 2013 12:41 VayeshMoru wrote:
However the annuls will record that the mask of the bovine has declared a correct statement.
The rushing man is not in danger of the deathmachines for now.

On February 26 2013 12:42 randombum wrote:
The main idea behind my plan is that the mayor is doomed anyways, might as well use it to try to lynch mafia.

(1) Conjecture: I have PM correspondance with prome (pre-LX) that state explicitly he is against RNG as it is both anti-town and stupid play.

(2) Track History: Both Nomination & NMM37 contained proponents of RNG. They were both scum. Though this does not guarantee Prome as scum; it does suggest scum are more willing to run with it than town.

(3) Implementation; There was zero discussion on how to guarantee randomness. Prome provides no controls to provide validity for random selection, which mimics the attitude Djodref espoused when bringing RNG to the fore - he was scum.

This is in complete contrast to pre-game NMM37 where several methods were discussed in detail.

TL;DR
Though the above are not direct scum tells independently. Combined they corroborate a mindset only compatible from scum.

(1) Outcome: Mentions the RNG play didn't generate the discussion he wanted. Yet responds to people with "pro-town gems" like: "you should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck". There is no effort in his filter to prompt further discourse; and when others critically query him, he immediately shuts them down with insults.

(2) The plan: Provides details of the RNG plan to unveil scum - because only scum would support RNG. Ironically scum proponent: Djodref, took a similar stance in Nomination mafia. This is a very convenient stance any RNG proponent can outline; without dispute. The real question is whether prome went out of his way to facilitate discussion and identify RNG supporters. The short answer is: no"

TL;DR
Prome identifies "pro-town" reasons to justify his support for RNG. Yet his filter suggests the contrary: i.e. he is actively shutting down any RNG discourse

(1) Vivax: Goes out of his way to say how good his meta read on Vivax is, and how Marv caught him. Great.. is Marv even in this game? Is he Marv?

(2) WoS: Declares how super towny WoS is and how he should be pardoner; if prome is as pro-town as he says he can be, why isnt he running for pardoner (if mayor isnt getting traction)

(3) VE: Votes VE for mayor out of arguably very limited alignment indicative posts.

(4) Grush: Comments multiple times on STARSENSES. One comment would have been enough to carry point across. Instead dedicates half a page to this discussion which is ultimately pointless.

TL;DR
So far prome is tickling a lot of "town-proclaimed" nuts; with little justification. Maybe meta reads count, but a game 4hrs in is too early to give out hard meta reads.

(1) WoS; Starts off disliking WoS to weak justification.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=23#445
It was obvious WoS was pointing out something he was directly involved with last game. Yet prome chooses to nitpick and and hate on the guy who was so bad in NMM37 someone made a fake case about him....

He then proceeds to do a complete stance flip and declares him super townie and that he should be pardoner.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=28#553
Quite a migration. You can get reads wrong, but since when do you jump from leaning/probably scum to confirmed town without assistance from blues. Further, the post itself definitely was not enough to declare someone "confirmed"/supertownie. This is quite an overreaction from prome.

(2) RNG: You can include RNG as a sudden shift as it lost momentum. The whole play read like a farce with zero commitment.

TL;DR
prome starts picking on easy prey but instead of even considering a "bad townie" mentality, he goes straight to "I'll lynch WoS"

(1) Pro-Town?: prome is a guy who prides himself on being pro-town and encouraging people to participate: yet has default to behavioural posts such as:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=26#510
"You could always share without being asked. Or are you scum?"
As a townie this post serves to cock-block the recipient and promote a negative atmosphere (something town prome is vehemently against).
As a scummer this post serves to look like scum hunting (by casting doubts on others AND mentioning the word scum AND diverting attention away from the speaker)

I actually used this exact line in my last scum game to great effect. It gives off the added appearance of taking a stance.. but actually still sits in the middle.

(2) Wade Fell read: his wade fell read is pretty meek. Granted its early game and not much content to produce detailed analysis. But if that is the case, why bother to provide the read in the first place? Its another contribution without contributing.

(3) WoS reversal: prome went from hate to <3 on WoS here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294&currentpage=28#553

- Someone already debunked the activity (WoS was absent for a majority of Day1)
- The post itself reads forced; even though it is a paragraph each line is essentially an independent point.
- Further the post carries a large amount of sarcasm (e.g. /golfclap) something that WoS has not introduced anywhere else in his filter.

How can prome say this guy is the towniest mudafarker out there based on this one post.

TL;DR
prome is not contributing. Many of this stances and statements are based on a quick-sand foundation.

On February 26 2013 14:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Who cares, just make a case if you're going to make a case. Why are you coming in here to announce that you're not confident? Do you want a way out if you can't contribute anything good? Do you have a scumread that I didn't come up with, or anything to contribute? I can't believe that you could write off 20-30 pages of discussion as a crapshoot. Day 1 is harder than Day 2 and it's expected that town will mislynch Day 1, we all know that. There's no sense in pointing it out as an excuse to not try.