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On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote:
what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not?
On February 26 2013 10:50 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:47 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:38 The Macho Man wrote:On February 26 2013 10:35 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote:
what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? What does everyone think about NachoMan picking me out of everyone else doing the same? Let's see, Toad made a guess, Wade is making guesses, Vivax made guesses. Who might be easier to lynch? Oh it's Vivax, everybody loves lynching Vivax. what does vivax think? What's your read on geript and VE? ve looks townie to me promoting discussion and showed some confusion towards me grepit is null need more however nothing sticks out as supper scummy to the macho man.
On February 26 2013 12:29 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 12:26 randombum wrote:
Just caught up, some thoughts. The idea of setting up votes so the the pardoner is the lynch target seems ridiculous.
Here's a crazy idea. What if we try to get scum elected on purpose. The idea is the mayor will probably not last every long in this set-up anyways.
My plan is basically we get a scummy person in the thread elected as mayor and get him to lynch the scummiest. Depending on what he does and how the flip goes we can gain a lot of good information. If the mayor is unwilling to lynch the scummiest then we can vig the mayor. If he turns red then we have caught two scum. If he does lynch him and he turns red then good, the scummiest looking player was scum. If the mayor lynches the scummiest and he turns green, then we have to seriously look at the mayor. If the mayor also turns out green, then the town really sucked.
Basically we use this vote to choose our lynch target and put a scummy player in the spotlight by making him mayor. While normally having a scum mayor would really suck, the fact that there are no bodyguards make it far less risky because we can simply vig him if his play sucks.
thats sounds retarded we want to lynch scum mayor gets to lynch we want town there so he lynches scum hopefully. are you scum?
Before these posts, TMM was mostly staying in character and joking around. But notice the pattern here. He jumps on mistakes of people and not actually behavior that points to scum. He has been trying to push vivax for as long as people have been discussing prom, but when it becomes clear the lynch is promethelax, suddenly he has a change of heart and says he likes w/e irrelevant post vivax has made. The first post I quoted is only the beginning of a series of mudslinging (towards vivax mostly, but also towards others) he has done all while promethelax was being discussed.
The second post I quoted is something I found extremely artificial, some fake attempt at contribution with some half assed explanations about his reads. The explanation on VE looking townie is of note.
The jump on randombum for the comment he has made, which any experienced player could tell most likely comes from a townie, as mafia would never make a post that controversial.
The complete absence of mention to promethelax in the entirety of his filter. That's a tough subject for mafia, because he was likely to flip and thus all attempts at bullshit bussing would be thoroughly examined.
This is iamp we are talking about, he has the tools to make very good reads and has done so, based on exactly this type of posting by randombum, in many of his previous games as town. The man is most likely scum and would be an excellent candidate for a vig shot.
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My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed.
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On February 28 2013 11:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
ANYWAY ABOUT JJ AND THE RECENT FLIP
I can not see the motivation for scum to respond to and attack his sole defender unless that sole defender was inserted as part of a mafia bus. It's too entirely convenient that JungleJorge got just the response he was looking for when he went about applying pressure in a completely backwards way. I need a much more comprehensive explanation of your reasoning JJ.
And there you were a few hours ago saying that one player's behavior should not say anything about another player. Anyway I have no arguments against your interpretation of prom's behavior towards me, for that is your own, though from where I'm standing it looks much different. If you would be so kind to point out the scum agenda behind my posts I'll happily answer to your questions. Or better, if you decide to work together with me and other likely townies towards unearthing the exposed scum, that would be an even more productive use of your time.
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On February 28 2013 11:19 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. What do you make of my comment regarding your image-based defense?
That's beyond my control, that's for you to decide. I'm only responsible for my actions.
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On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus.
Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum.
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On February 28 2013 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. I am reading your posts, help me understand them. I wrote quite a bit, feel free to respond to it in detail if you would. Why would you be glad to be lynched for being wrong? When is a person being wrong ever a justification for a lynch of vig shot?
It isn't, but I'd rather not waste time discussing myself when I could be reading through filters. I'd prefer if we would move on. I'm pretty confident when can find the remainder of the scum team if we focus on it together, thus my proposition not to waste time.
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On February 28 2013 11:28 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:26 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus. Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum. you know your allowed to comment on someone other than me. Is this how you decided your going to contribute?
The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world.
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Restraining Order is another player likely to be scum. The type of behavior we are looking for are players standing in the sidelines while most of the prom discussion is happening, attempts of mudslinging when something that may sway the town occurs, then giving in after the lynch becomes clear. That can be observed in this man's filter.
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On February 28 2013 11:33 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:31 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:28 The Macho Man wrote:On February 28 2013 11:26 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus. Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum. you know your allowed to comment on someone other than me. Is this how you decided your going to contribute? The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world. JJ I dont like MachoMan either. You mentioned filter diving before.. Can I get you to prioritise Geript pls? My read on him has evolved since the lynch, I want to know if we are on the same page.
I've actually looked at geript and don't think he should be one of our main suspects for tomorrow. I'm leaning town on him.
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On February 28 2013 11:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I just want to understand why you chose defense as pressure. How did you anticipate prom would respond like he did?
I actually didn't. I was honestly leaning town on him until he made such response. Some aspects of his play looked suspicious, while others were too loose and carefree, thus town looking. I opted to make a defense without stating my reasons to get responses mostly from other players who were not commenting on his lynch. I suspected that if I started the trend and he was scum soon enough other players would join me and provide their own reasons. Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes.
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On February 28 2013 11:48 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote:
Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes. Please expound
Already did so I'm my analysis of prome's response. Maybe you missed it?
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I've looked into Testsubject and I'm leaning town. Looked into Jcarl and I'm leaning scum on him, but not with the same confidence of the other 2 I pointed. Some assistance would be appreciated on JC.
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On February 28 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I think we should lynch Vivax. Go look through his post, he started off by saying the best way to find scum is to find people that take the game seriously instead of trolling. After putting a bunch of people in that category, he was only willing to point a finger at JJ. Not actively interested in the Prom case but spends a ton of time only to slap a null read on there.
The way he reacted to me initially calling me out is troubling. He didn't OMGUS but did have a bunch of insults and mockeries to throw my way.
I'm getting kinda woozy and doubtful, I hate night 1 because I start rolling over in second guesses. I need to reset my head. I'm nowhere near ready to start reading Toades' filter, I'll need at least 2 more beers before I attempt that.
I'm actually leaning town on vivax. Besides his filter size and his general inquisitive attitude towards other players, there is also his long post that he comments on several others. One of those is me, who he actually mixed up with another player and came to the conclusion I was scum based on another player filter. To me that indicates that he had several filters opened when writing it and thus is likely townie. I believe mafia would not only be more careful, but decide their target first before attacking someone. I think we should focus on those 2 (TMM and RO) tomorrow instead.
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On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 17:38 MilkSuckler wrote:
What about you aqua with mayor?
Also, now that there has been an addition 10-20 pages; is your top read still OO? Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress.
While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening.
I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man.
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For emphasis AQUANIM IS MAFIA DON'T IGNORE MY PREVIOUS POST.
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Take it as you may, I've made it pretty clear I would not derail prom's lynch day one when I was confident he was scum. Now if you read the shit I write instead of pushing suspicion onto me that would be much appreciated.
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I don't read much into it. I think it was a fair question to ask when aqua was ignoring all the talk on prom. Not saying it makes vivax town, but doesn't make him scum either.
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I haven't looked into OO, nor I think that's how I should be spending my time. As I've read the thread normally he didn't seem suspicious to me. Why would aqua being scum make OO confirmed town in your opinion?
And OO, yes, I've read through the rest of aqua's filter and his interactions with the thread and it supports my conclusion. I think however that the post I quoted should be sufficient damning evidence alone.
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If anyone shoots anyone but aquanim I'll be extremely disappointed. I'm positive on this dude being scum.
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