EPTOn March 07 2013 00:28 iamperfection wrote:
why did you have a town read on me early on glurio?
why did you have a town read on me early on glurio?
TL Mafia LX - Page 183
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
The Macho Man
171 Posts
| ||
|
The Macho Man
171 Posts
On March 07 2013 00:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Good lord 9 hours and absolutely nothing. What a joke. maybe instead of bitching you can do something useful you could explain why gluiro is town based on meta because do not see a town mindset at all. | ||
|
layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
............................. ....... | ||
|
glurio
Germany597 Posts
You pointed out that vivax at the start of the game only tried to figure out smurf identitys. After like 9 posts you stopped with the macho man persona thingie. You pointed out that randombums plan was quite retarded. And you wanted to lynch vivax for all the right reasons. Looks townie to me. | ||
|
jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
| ||
|
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
So he starts out D1 with his make-scum-the-mayor plan. Its easy to see what's not to like with this, but frankly, when reading it, it struck me as sincere play derived from assment of the setup. He mentions here that his premise is that the mayor will almost certainly die (turns out he was right), so it does seem potentially bad townie motivated to keep the most pro-town players out of this dangerous spot. The next notable part of his filter is this post: On February 27 2013 10:58 randombum wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:53 ObviousOne wrote: randombum Sounds like these scum-reads could be useful right now. Total scum-reads given to this point: Zero. Reading a few of the filters right now my biggest scum suspect is you. The obviousone. Your play just screams a mafia player pretending to be interested. All of your posts can be read as aggressive questioning, pointless questioning, wagon jumping, or buddying. All those things let you seem interested, but require you to commit very little to a position. Some things that stuck out: Interaction with me You try to start a band-wagon on me because of my stupid plan without actually discussing it. + Show Spoiler + On February 26 2013 13:58 ObviousOne wrote: And people thought my hypothetical scum-geript-mayor-gambit idea was ludicrous. A lynch for randombum is a vote from me. On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. But when that gained no traction you ignore it and join the prom train which everybody is agreeing with. Also, you are the few who read my mayor campaign and gave it a response. It's one of your pointless asking a question response, but the bigger thing is: If you read my post and bothered to take it somewhat seriously you could've have easily gone and found my games from the last two years which is only two games before this one. Which obviously meant it was a joke post. Interaction with Vivax At the start of the game you write On February 26 2013 10:33 ObviousOne wrote: Is Vivax running for mayor? I'd vote that. and get to On February 26 2013 14:01 ObviousOne wrote: For the record I am not against the concept of a Prome or Vivax lynch so if randombum isn't on the table for one of today's candidates I can wait til D2 to vote him. So somehow Vivax goes from your mayoral vote to a lynch you would get behind without you ever discussing him at all. It's like you are just going with the flow and going against anybody who is under heat from the thread. Even more telling with Vivax is when he comes back into the thread and people start letting up on him you post your next scum list On February 27 2013 10:14 ObviousOne wrote: My short list Prom - self explanatory, and why I'm voting VE or DocH for mayor layabout - instigating arguments instead of just ignoring the shit that apparently doesn't matter anyway Restraining Order - too restrained JungleJorge - crazy fucking plan to trap Prom Grush - Starsenses seems to be broken Again your suspects have no weight behind them, but more importantly Vivax isn't there. Even when earlier you had On February 27 2013 03:52 ObviousOne wrote: Vivax is the only one giving me a null/town read, too. I mean that's out there based on how I started the game, and I even think I mentioned I would be okay with voting someone who would lynch him. It's really... weird. There's nothing else about him before you short scum list. The last time you mention vivax you find him really weird, but he's less likely of a scum than the 4 almost non-entities in the thread? The following post really bugs me too. On February 27 2013 04:47 ObviousOne wrote: Okay, caught up on a second read-through. Going to do a couple filters now for players I don't even remember being in the game. Thanks for the idea DocH. First, its an "Oh I'm interested in the thread guys" post with no substance. Going though filters is a good idea? Why are you trying to buddy up Dr.H when reading filters should be standard. Everything you say makes you sound interested, but there is no stance behind any of them except the highly popular prom lynch. Overall this post strikes me as null. His pressure on OO seems to be derived from legitimate concerns, but he could also be trying to move pressure in Vivax's direction. Since we now know that Vivax is close to confirmed non-scum (either vig or SK) doing this is a little fishy. From there, the most telling opinion that shares is that he doesn't like RO's play in D2. I see no reason for scum to be calling out RO here. Prome was already dead and Chez was feeling the heat. I just don't see the benefit of trying to bus another mafia in this spot. Conclusion: Don't lynch. He hasn't been the towniest of towns, but nothing in his posts really screams scum to me. | ||
|
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
| ||
|
Vivax
21769 Posts
| ||
|
layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
after that you should lynch through glurio WaveofShadow grush57? glurio has been lurking very hard since day1 and has stayed out of the spotlight because of it. He also began treating vayesh as town very early on, and we can be relatvely sure that mafia felt threatened by BC since they offed him n1. In this post + Show Spoiler + On March 02 2013 01:17 glurio wrote: Ok i caught up. (Kinda skimmed since grushs fakeshot.) I believe vivax is telling the truth with his roleblock and vig statement. Also i think chez is probably a misguided town-dayvig would scum be so bold and really just shoot someone who isn't a big scumread in the face like that? I took a look at vayesh's filter. The reads he mentioned are the following: Wade Fell + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 06:36 VayeshMoru wrote: It has come to the annuls of a man so lazy he forgot to don his mask. The shadows that adorned the face of this everywhere layer should come to reach the eyes of all. Tremble the men of black should start. The marching feet of justice shall not halt. A list of reads by VE where he thinks Toad might be third party + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 07:15 VayeshMoru wrote: of those thoughts Vayesh sees one common thought. A second thought is almost in align and the third is not yet fully concluded. The amphibian seems more some mutating thing, or perhaps the one who sells spirits. The man of bovine is still not fully alluded. geript + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 09:25 VayeshMoru wrote: the ripped man is a man of the darkness. His serpentine ways are merely a habit of his nature Here a list of DrH where he agrees: layabout JJ geript testsubject vivax + Show Spoiler + On February 27 2013 11:17 VayeshMoru wrote: Vayesh likes the words flowing from your gallifreyan mouth. The synconization of thoughts is more alike than that of any other soul. The logical conclusion is to give you power of the death machines. Toad scum/3rd party again + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 07:40 VayeshMoru wrote: Seriously stop dude. This entire play of yours is extremely anti town. I like VE. When hes on the ball he is a beast. Its getting him to that zone though and personally I find he works better at it with less pressure on him instead of more. However you just said "him for mayor isn't what I want" and then describe him as volatile, and emotional" after calling him stupid. If you were town you would not want this man in office. Toad is scum / third party geript again + Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 11:02 VayeshMoru wrote: geript is scum so fear him you should not Chez scum/3rd party + Show Spoiler + On March 01 2013 08:50 VayeshMoru wrote: This post from you shows a large lack of understanding of the bc and chez meta for mafia. I will agree that chez is likely mafia or third party. My reasoning however is based on how upset he was about rolling red in LIX. He had 0 interest in the game when he rolled red then and similar level of sentiment here would indicate same shit. However given that he attempted to save some of his team in LIX and has done dickall here I would argue third party more likely than red. Given that I was posting the way I was the contributions I made were imo fine as well as the fact I came out and stopped you from doing something stupid. I am fine with a vig shot on macho or grush as they have near crap to really form a solid lynchable opinion on at this venture. I seriously want someone to stop this shit ive seen reoccuring in virtually every game ive played in recently where people get to say "bc is scum or likely scum shoot him/lynch him" with no reasons posted. It leads me to post lists of who I think is scum and not give anyone the benefit of my thought process as people piss me off to the point I feel they don't deserve it. Stop trying to discredit me without an actual case. And his death post: If you just look at the posts i quoted isolated, geript is clear winner with 4 posts about him. I do think we can find scum if we look at what he posted because there must be a reason why he got killed. He mentioned the following people (number of times they got mentioned): geript (4) toad (2) chez (2) JJ (2) layabout (2) hasyy (1) jcarlsoninv (1) wade fell (1) vivax (1) testsubject (1) Except he tries to defend chez who flipped mafia. WaveofShadow was speculating about scum having a dayvig way before chez's shot: On March 01 2013 05:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Maybe not on its own, but it probably was. it's the intention you're misreading. If VE is town, then he is only furthering what he originally said about him not actively trying to attain the mayor role; his own vote change to DrH confirms this. If VE is scum then you're saying he intentionally did it to try and get the pardoner position? I just don't see that as likely on its own; if the scumteam was trying to organize a bus anyway, why not put a scum member as mayor with two votes? I don't believe that DrH is scum so it doesn't make sense to give up the more powerful role to town, especially to someone as active and pro-town as he is. It is possible they did this to try and mafia dayvig him at a later date or something (since a NK will be difficult with medics and such), but that seems too dangerous to me; for a scumteam the longer DrH is left alive the harder it becomes for them. This is all a little WIFOM-y but I'm trying to get behind your point of view here, and it doesn't quite work. Care to clarify your thoughts on the bus plan? He is more likely to think this way if he knows that a scumdayvig exists (because he is mafia) but here he also talks about how shooting VE would be dangerous and this is more mafia oriented thinking than town. I will look over his filter properly later though. grush57 is here because it's hard to say if he is scum or town with his posting style and is dangerous to keep alive when there are so many people that look town. | ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On March 07 2013 03:48 layabout wrote: Well in case i die you should lynch aquanim tomorrow, Why? In case you haven't noticed, me faking a roleblock on myself as scum, and then claiming it after scum KP disappeared would be pretty daft. | ||
|
Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On March 07 2013 02:16 TestSubject893 wrote: Sorry I didn't get this post earlier, I got caught up doing some stuff. Without further ado, my thoughts on randombum's filter: ... Conclusion: Don't lynch. He hasn't been the towniest of towns, but nothing in his posts really screams scum to me. So find a better lynch, then. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
leaving for work in an hour the right people are all in the spotlight so tbh im not even worried about this game. i wont have time to post anything significant so if I die tonight, I agree with testsubject's thing on randombum but not convinced that TS is town. After coming to the conclusion that randombum is a null read, don't even post that case and find someone else you think is suspicious he doesn't seem to suspect anyone at all which is basically impossible at this point if you're town he just did what the vocal townie told him to do without any independence or effort into finding scum which is the goal if you're town, the goal is not to do what others (mafia) tell you to do or to appear as nonconfrontational as possible | ||
|
WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Lessee who dies tonight and I'll take off from there. | ||
|
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 07 2013 05:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ho hum leaving for work in an hour the right people are all in the spotlight so tbh im not even worried about this game. i wont have time to post anything significant so if I die tonight, I agree with testsubject's thing on randombum but not convinced that TS is town. After coming to the conclusion that randombum is a null read, don't even post that case and find someone else you think is suspicious he doesn't seem to suspect anyone at all which is basically impossible at this point if you're town he just did what the vocal townie told him to do without any independence or effort into finding scum which is the goal if you're town, the goal is not to do what others (mafia) tell you to do or to appear as nonconfrontational as possible So let me get this straight. I say, I'm suspicious of and am gonna look into randombum, you respond by saying, make sure to post your thoughts about it before night is over, and then I post my thoughts and I'm just following orders without any independence? After that your argument seems to be that you might be mafia and therefore me listening to you means that I am mafia. How is that sound reasoning? As for "not suspecting anyone", right now I aqua is high on my list, but we're about to get a lot of information on that front when we see the number of night kills tonight. I don't see the point in speculating in that direction when you consider that we're about to get a lot of information. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'm just a little surprised that you had that little to say about randombum and no follow through about an actual scum read. I don't see how the number of night kills tonight would have anything to do with aquanim, did he claim vigilante or something? Scum has 1 KP and they could either succeed or fail with it. That doesn't tell me anything unless I'm missing something. | ||
|
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
| ||
|
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On March 07 2013 06:10 TestSubject893 wrote: If there is a serial killer then aqua's RB claim looks a lot more legit. If there isn't, it seems likely that scum actions didn't get submitted and he is just claiming RB for town cred. | ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
1. A veteran 2. Protected by doctor or armorer 3. SK And the rest of their night actions did resolve? I'm not saying this to defend aquanim, but that's not really a strong point. Suspicion of aqua should be based on his play, not night action wifom | ||
|
TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
| ||
|
DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
| ||
| ||
