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On March 01 2013 11:48 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On March 01 2013 10:42 Aquanim wrote:
DoctorH, you're pointing out a lot of odd things in Toad's play but you haven't actually said you think he's scum. Are you waiting for someone else to do it for you? Or do you have reservations about Toadscum? I had a longer case that was very clear about that which I accidentally deleted. Yes, I am fairly convinced that Toades is scum and that VE was hit by mafia to avoid him being pushed on Day 2. Lets assume for a second that this is the case, does that give anymore suspicion to people who followed me into trying to get Prome elected pardoner thus forcing VE's hand in the selection process.
No, it is in essence a protown plan. The fact that he did it is unsuspicious, but the way he presented it is the problem for me.
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Just know I did this, remember it was me:
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On March 01 2013 11:49 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:46 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:42 Chezinu wrote:
I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective!
##shoot The Milkman Its not bolded... ##Shoot: The MilkmanThere I;m bold. I asked questions first. But he didn't answer, so I shot. Can't say I didn't ask first...
The Milkman, The Settler, Has been shot!
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We should of course kill any dayvig since it's a 1 for 1 trade
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Chez, can I have your babies?
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On March 01 2013 10:46 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 06:33 geript wrote:On February 26 2013 09:23 Toadesstern wrote:
Yes. I'm thinking about combining the lynch with getting rid of the pardoner by making the most likely lynch come in 2nd on purpose. On February 26 2013 09:40 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah I guess. I thought about it pregame a bit and came to the conclusion that it's too hard to pull off and at the same time is restricting us timewise because we'd have to set on a lynch way ahead of time to make sure everyone knows what's going on, which basicly makes the day a 24h day instead of a 48h day. Wanted to see people's thoughts though and I don't exactly like your response to it unlike other ones. Wait a second. You think about it. You conclude it's too hard to pull off. You still bring it up? Brought it up at night. Anyone have a reason why he'd agree with BH/WF that it was too hard to pull off and have found that answer in the pre game but still decided to bring it up?
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On March 01 2013 11:49 MilkSuckler wrote:
Day2
##Vote: Toadesstern
So I am already slightly biased.
As for my opinion.
I had a good think about this actually.. because.. NMM37 i got slammed for RNG talk, but still raised it in-game.
Yes i was scum.. but i had every intention to continue RNG discussion regardless of alignment - it was an ego challenge.
Now I know Toad likes to wave the epeen out as much as BH.. but.. i dont see what forum cred you gain for pushing out a rejected pardoner plan (vs getting traction on something stupid like RNG)
Really.. the only reason I think someone would push a pre-game plan that failed .. in-game.. is perhaps because he was testing how stupid the smurfs were?
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In short, though your point raises sound concerns, it is not a nail in the coffin, rather it is icing on the cake.
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Take this however you want.. but I notice this game you have a tendency to focus on 1 specific action.
This is akin to my tunneling of Aquanim Night 1.
Townies can make poor choices, and with your methodology, that one mistake can be what sets you onto them.
I am suggesting it is important to take their whole filter into context.. what is the overall agenda they have been trying to push.
Thats my 2c
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 Why didn't you answer me?
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On March 01 2013 12:23 geript wrote:
Also, what are your thoughts re: the other 4 who followed me in trying to get Prom as pardoner.
Im about to head out.. can you help me out and list who the 4 ppl are.. or give me the page #s in the thread
I think it was around p80 when the bullshit started.
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Resolving Chezinu's alignment:
If you are a town dayvig in this game you MUST shoot Chezinu right now. I am not inclined to believe Chezinu is the scum dayvig because the scumteam would see this logic coming. There is no sense in shooting Milkman, a player scum has no reason to be afraid of. If you instead prefer to claim tonight, we will lynch you and set town night KP on Chezinu. It is a 1:1 trade.
If there is no claim or shot, we can assume Chezinu is in fact the town dayvig so leaping onto him now is beside the point. There is a chance to actually confirm his alignment or get a 50/50 chance with it so I would like to move forward with my points on Toadesstern. Hold your horses BH, this is an easy resolution.
This is a semi-open setup but scum would never take the chance of using the dayvig power this early when there is a chance of a counterclaim. I refuse to believe scum would be that reckless after losing Day 1.
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Vote the Chez
Vote him
kill him
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On March 01 2013 12:31 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 11:49 Chezinu wrote:On March 01 2013 11:46 MilkSuckler wrote:On March 01 2013 11:42 Chezinu wrote:
I said that I am the sheriff! THe sheriff with the gun! Not some weak detective!
##shoot The Milkman Its not bolded... ##Shoot: The MilkmanThere I;m bold. I asked questions first. But he didn't answer, so I shot. Can't say I didn't ask first... The Milkman, The Settler, Has been shot!
WTF... seriously..
Chezinu is burning in hell now
Im swapping my vote
Milkman.. can I know who u r now pl0x
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chez is scum he has always been sucm and, knowing i would lynch him, chez decided to shoot before he died
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Well... it was me or him... the mafia would have shot me with the excuse of following town orders and no one would have thought anything of it. I would have been instantly killed without being able to shoot back (flash back to motbob).
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##Shoot: Chezinu
##Vote: Toadesstern
These 2 are scum...
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On March 01 2013 12:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Resolving Chezinu's alignment:
If you are a town dayvig in this game you MUST shoot Chezinu right now. I am not inclined to believe Chezinu is the scum dayvig because the scumteam would see this logic coming. There is no sense in shooting Milkman, a player scum has no reason to be afraid of. If you instead prefer to claim tonight, we will lynch you and set town night KP on Chezinu. It is a 1:1 trade.
If there is no claim or shot, we can assume Chezinu is in fact the town dayvig so leaping onto him now is beside the point. There is a chance to actually confirm his alignment or get a 50/50 chance with it so I would like to move forward with my points on Toadesstern. Hold your horses BH, this is an easy resolution.
This is a semi-open setup but scum would never take the chance of using the dayvig power this early when there is a chance of a counterclaim. I refuse to believe scum would be that reckless after losing Day 1.
mafia won't shoot me now. They will just get me lynched.
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Testing how stupid the smurfs were? That's a reach. It's just empty discussion to waste time and appear like he is contributing. By admitting he thought it was a dumb plan he's admitting that he's basically contributing nothing. His whole point against Prom was that his RNG plan was unproductive discussion because it is stupid. He's guilty of the same thing. He ignored how Promethelax essentially claimed scum in his farewell post, it's suspicious. I was more than ready to consider other targets for the day until Prom martyred himself, ignored his attackers and did something that is impossible with town motivations (his attack on JJ which I explained earlier, will explain again if anyone missed it).
My question - is how on earth could anyone be so sure by hour 2 about Prom that they were ready to claim the "most useful townie award" that early in the game with absolute confidence that the flip would confirm them as town?
The RNG discussion thing was bad but it was really just enough to pressure Prom on, it was everything he did after that that led me to believe he was for sure scum. I think the only reason Toades was that confident so early is NOT clairvoyance but it is prior knowledge of his alignment AKA THEY ARE TEAMMATES
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YES SHOOT THE CHEZ
SPILL HIS BLOOD
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On March 01 2013 12:37 grush57 wrote:
##Shoot: Chezinu
##Vote: Toadesstern
These 2 are scum...
This 4 real....
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EPT
