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The Milkman
Profile Joined February 2013
Mongolia140 Posts
February 28 2013 13:55 GMT
#2001
Glurio, I like your filter. I mean, it could use more posts and bigger, more consolidated ones, but everything in your play and reads just seems right. From what I have collected, you did agree with Wade on Milk lynch at the start of the game, you agreed with the promethelax is scum sentiment. There is one weird thing, where you disagreed with bum's plan, but supported to elect promethelax as pardoned in the end anyway. What are your current thoughts on OO?
My milk is delicious.
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 28 2013 14:00 GMT
#2002
Since you obviously don't like sharing your scum reads its all i can ask isn't it? Asked for them enough i guess.

So you ask questions, how would it be if you just get ignored and don't get answers? Just like i did.
You probably try to call the person out, just like i did.

Still not here to make you believe i'm town, already said that. I'm here to hunt scum. I'm asking you questions, not getting answers.

It's not scummy never stated that, i do find it odd that it took 3 hours to correct that, though. Maybe people don't like to put too much thought in what you write? How about starting to do some thinking so people actually read what you write.

Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 28 2013 14:19 GMT
#2003
On February 28 2013 22:55 The Milkman wrote:
Glurio, I like your filter. I mean, it could use more posts and bigger, more consolidated ones, but everything in your play and reads just seems right. From what I have collected, you did agree with Wade on Milk lynch at the start of the game, you agreed with the promethelax is scum sentiment. There is one weird thing, where you disagreed with bum's plan, but supported to elect promethelax as pardoned in the end anyway. What are your current thoughts on OO?


I didn't like randombuns plan because he wanted to put scum in mayor and pardoner position. Electing a scummy player as mayor just seems wrong in my eyes. What if he had killed prom and slowly gained more and more town cred? We would possibly have had a scum with two votes and maybe doc protection who knows. Didn't lile that at all.
I do believe pardoner is useless so i wouldn't mind killing of that role with the D1 lynch.

OO:
He calls himself guilty of writing a lot with very low content, writes that he was bored with D1 instead of doing something useful.
His bi-polar whatever thingie i just found disturbing.
Then his little outbreak with "plz shoot me vig" is just annoying.
In his vivax case he kinda seems to force a town read. (Intense interest in smurfs linked to lurker-rage) Not sure why though.

I still find this quote to be most incriminating though:

On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers.

What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light?


when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth.

One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing.



I think it kinda shows in his filter that he didn't put much effort in the game so far. I hope he gets better in this cycle.
Leaning scum on him, but thats very possible subject to change, if he puts effort in this and the next cycle.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 14:23 GMT
#2004
On February 28 2013 23:00 glurio wrote:
Since you obviously don't like sharing your scum reads its all i can ask isn't it? Asked for them enough i guess.

So you ask questions, how would it be if you just get ignored and don't get answers? Just like i did.
You probably try to call the person out, just like i did.

Still not here to make you believe i'm town, already said that. I'm here to hunt scum. I'm asking you questions, not getting answers.

It's not scummy never stated that, i do find it odd that it took 3 hours to correct that, though. Maybe people don't like to put too much thought in what you write? How about starting to do some thinking so people actually read what you write.



Your posts are incoherent and this answer is massively scummy.

You just dodged the type of questions you had the nerve to ask me. You can't find reasons to argue that you're town, and you refuse to play transparently.

Now you say it's not scummy when it's something that makes like 66% of your awful case.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 14:25 GMT
#2005
Milkman is probably glurio's scumbuddy, asking some random questions, soft-defending him against me.

If glurio flips red you're next.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 14:31 GMT
#2006
Just wanted to throw this in to demonstrate OO mindset from NMM37:

Context:

Day2 - OO caught as SK within 2 hrs

Even as a soon-to-be-dead 3rd party; he is actively trying to help town... (This came maybe 4-6 hrs into the cycle)

On February 15 2013 01:30 ObviousOne wrote:
How about you guys talk about anything but me and anyone who insists on discussing me is obviously not reading the thread.

I fully expect to get every single vote today so it will be no information if you pursue your speculation on me. Consider scum hunting as I was advocating before.....

Thats townie as fuck regardless of being SK

==============

OO, any particular reason you keep requesting time extensions for contributions (bar the Vivax read)
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 14:33 GMT
#2007
On February 28 2013 23:25 Vivax wrote:
Milkman is probably glurio's scumbuddy, asking some random questions, soft-defending him against me.

If glurio flips red you're next.


(1) I like milkman... i havnt done a filter dive, but all the things I remember from him give me no inclination to....

(2) Any reason your debating with Glurio and not Toad?

Glurio is the one pushing for your lynch next cycle.

Toad is the one pushing for you to be vig'd THIS CYCLE.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 14:38 GMT
#2008
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 14:46 GMT
#2009
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.

Im gonna be frank (which means being disrespectful to Glurio.. *Sorry*)

Glurio has played scum before.. NMM36

His play was atrocious.. like one of the worst scum performances in the past 6 to 8 games.

This game is a complete contrast.
yes, if you compare Glurio to the townier players in the game (e.g Dr.H etc) he falls short...
but if you compare Glurio to NMM36 Glurio or even his previous town games (NMM35/37).. (i.e keep it relative) hes prob the towniest player in the game.

This is my 4th game with Glurio, and this is the most pro-active I have ever seen him... if you couple this with being in a 25 player game where some personalities are massively dominating, that type of (relative) confidence goes a long way for me.

I aint stopping you from pursuing him.. I am just trying to give you some of my heuristics to why I dont consider him a threat. its up to you if u want to check it confirms.

==============

As for RO, i reckon thats a decent lead to pursue, and happy to look at whatever you can dig up there.
The Milkman
Profile Joined February 2013
Mongolia140 Posts
February 28 2013 14:53 GMT
#2010
So could we call your opinion of OO more like "Disinterested Townie" rather than "Mafia"?
Thanks for that remark of bum's plan, I forgot it included electing a (presumably) scum mayor.
The night is pretty active. Mhm. Gotta read more filters!
My milk is delicious.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 28 2013 14:58 GMT
#2011
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.


not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target.

I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 15:01 GMT
#2012
On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.


not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target.

I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now.

My bad that was me (n just checked ya filter to confirm)..

I recall someone making the request recently. musta been RO

K mouth keeping shut, im obviously too tired.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 15:02 GMT
#2013
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395714&user=68375&currentpage=All - VT

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615&user=68375 - VT

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393329&user=68375&currentpage=All - Scum

1 and 3 look pretty similar, but he sure posts more in 3. 2 is quite unique.

Problem is: Using meta from newbies isn't super reliable, and those were minis. The posting style and strategies change from newbie games into more experienced ones. As town glurio posted much more complete and concise post, especially looking at 2, before getting killed.

Same as in 1, huge cases. Pushing aggressively.

In 3 lots of summarizing, agreeing with others, apologizing and parroting, half-assed pushes like the one on me here.

The only difference I see is that here he doesn't defend himself, in 3 he did a lot. But I don't want to put too much weight into that, he might have learned from his mistakes.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 15:03 GMT
#2014
On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.


not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target.

I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now.


Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check.
MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
February 28 2013 15:08 GMT
#2015
On March 01 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.


not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target.

I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now.


Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check.

See above, was confused.. sorry :S

*Peace Out* been a long day; see you at the deadline.
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
February 28 2013 15:15 GMT
#2016
i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now.
Obviousone martyr crap looks to me as natural and not forced seems like he is more likely to be town at this point.

I agree with jj on aqua and taking another look as well as what at obvious said aqua. It seems like aquas only contribution was to in fact just tunnel obvious and seemed like that was his way of contributing.

hasybaby is probable scum as well because he does not care about town at all and seems to have no interest in the game.

so aqua and hasy
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 15:33 GMT
#2017
On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.


not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target.

I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now.


I fail to see any useful purpose for you saying you lean town on me. I'd much rather have you mentioning these two or three people you speak of.

On March 01 2013 00:15 The Macho Man wrote:
i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now.
Obviousone martyr crap looks to me as natural and not forced seems like he is more likely to be town at this point.

I agree with jj on aqua and taking another look as well as what at obvious said aqua. It seems like aquas only contribution was to in fact just tunnel obvious and seemed like that was his way of contributing.

hasybaby is probable scum as well because he does not care about town at all and seems to have no interest in the game.

so aqua and hasy


Why do I feel like this is just thrown in here with the purpose of calming the waters and not do more?
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
February 28 2013 15:36 GMT
#2018
On March 01 2013 00:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2013 23:58 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another.

This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well.


not really reading right now but I just saw that one. Is someone saying I want you vigged? Because I don't. I said (just like hassy) that you're a possible vig-target at best, not a lynch target.

I'd say there's at least 2 or 3 people who look way worse than you though, probably even leaning town on you right now.


I fail to see any useful purpose for you saying you lean town on me. I'd much rather have you mentioning these two or three people you speak of.

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 00:15 The Macho Man wrote:
i change my mind on jj he is being open with his thoughts and is talking about the game a lot i think he is town now.
Obviousone martyr crap looks to me as natural and not forced seems like he is more likely to be town at this point.

I agree with jj on aqua and taking another look as well as what at obvious said aqua. It seems like aquas only contribution was to in fact just tunnel obvious and seemed like that was his way of contributing.

hasybaby is probable scum as well because he does not care about town at all and seems to have no interest in the game.

so aqua and hasy


Why do I feel like this is just thrown in here with the purpose of calming the waters and not do more?

because your bad.

do you think those two guys are town?
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22080 Posts
February 28 2013 15:37 GMT
#2019
Hassy surely not. I was quite satisfied with aqua's responses to my questions earlier. Didn't really look at him since then.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9644 Posts
February 28 2013 15:39 GMT
#2020
On March 01 2013 00:37 Vivax wrote:
Hassy surely not. I was quite satisfied with aqua's responses to my questions earlier. Didn't really look at him since then.

then what's the problem
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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