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zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
March 01 2013 00:01 GMT
#1501
I'm just popping in to say that I have a busy night and won't be able to check up on things much. But I'm encouraged that Syl and Dieno are here, and reiterate that I would love to see a list of their scum/town reads and who they'd prefer or not prefer to duel.

Thanks everyone for holding off on early-day duels, and nobody forget about Snarfs.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 00:07 GMT
#1502
On March 01 2013 08:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
hapa, idk what thread you are reading where my play suggests i'm a survivor, or that I haven't been fearless, or that i could have possibly bussed keir. what is your point with all that? Are you wanting to lynch me?


No I don't want to lynch you for now. There are three people I want to see dead before I even consider lynching you (Dino, Syl, Cora).

As for why I think you're a third party, you are more passive than I'm used to seeing out of you. You're also more aggressive than I'm used to seeing out of your scum-games. You fall somewhere in the middle, and the simplest explanation is that you're a Third Party.

In the last few town-games I've seen out of you, you started off with stupid random comments/votes designed to spurr discussion, and you were super-active in the early-game as well. You started off the opposite this game. In addition, I'm used to seeing more scum-hunting contributions from you. Your only major contribution is your recent case on Dieno...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=75#1489


my major contribution is calling out keir for a duel way back when and yelling at anyone who said adam should be lynched and not keir

but whatever, i really don't know what filter you could possibly be reading.


which is a complete rehash of my own case on him on Day 1. Not to mention that it's an overkill case that serves no purpose, since virtually everyone here wants to see Dieno hang.


nobody is talking about dieno right now. we've asked him to post and stuff but he's not..... he's run off while we got into discussing acro. imo it's obvious that it's going to be a hassle to get him to duel so might as well keep yelling at him until he's willing to talk about the duel in a serious way.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
March 01 2013 00:07 GMT
#1503
On March 01 2013 07:55 Sylencia wrote:
my wanting to duel him has increased


This town obviously isn't big enough for both of us, Sylencia.

##Duel: Sylencia
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
March 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#1504
I'll be checking on the thread every 30~ minutes or so until I fall asleep to answer questions and write my case on Sylencia.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
March 01 2013 00:15 GMT
#1505
Don't post until Duel has started (i.e I make the post)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-01 00:22:48
March 01 2013 00:20 GMT
#1506
Duel 2

[image loading]
Soundtrack

Dienosore and Sylencia are the duelists for today. Neither of them may vote.


The first duelist to reach a majority (6 votes) in 48 hours will die. If a majority cannot be reached by that time both duelists will die.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 01 2013 00:29 GMT
#1507
Oh Dieno pulled the trigger. That went easier than expected.

Anyway, by default I want you both dead. It's up to both of you to indvidiaully convince me that I'm wrong and that you're town.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 01 2013 00:35 GMT
#1508
/off topic

Tasteful soundtrack, nice choice
*thumbs up*

/off topic
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 01 2013 00:39 GMT
#1509
@ Dieno

Thrawn summarized the general sentiment against you here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360&currentpage=75#1489

Interested in hearing your response to it all. Particularly your change in attitude towards Adam, as well as your lack of doing pretty much... anything.

Also, what happened to your read on Oats?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 01 2013 01:07 GMT
#1510
Right, I think after that we can probably agree that these two aren't both flipping scum.

Think of it from a scum perspective. You're going down today, so your dying act is to drag down one of your teammates.... to what end? Get this game closer to finishing?

Nah.


To no-ones surprise here, i'm backing my reads in:

Dieno scum, Sylencia town.

##Vote: Deinosore

MilkSuckler
Profile Joined February 2013
Swaziland597 Posts
March 01 2013 01:08 GMT
#1511
cool flavour
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:10 GMT
#1512
yeah i'm also in favor of the double lynch. the things that syl's done, if any other player had done them they'd be my top scumread. I'm aware that syl basically always gets mislynched for playing like this, so that is the only 'point' in his favor. However it's not enough to overcome how scummy his vote was... he called both adam/keir town and voted for adam for being the most harmful town. There is literally NOT a scummier set of actions he could have taken so that's why I'm in favor of killing him along with dienosaur

If I had to pick one to lynch it'd probably be dieno. Yes, dieo has risen to the occasion to duel syl. But like his earlier promises to duel adam, I think the duel is more about his own appearance than it is about trying to kill scum. Neither of them have produced very much lately despite being here to make posts, but at least syl has been able to produce a scum read (Cor) and provide ample reasoning for it.

yeah.... both should die, but i'm currently more impressed with syl's recent efforts than I am with dieno's


"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:14 GMT
#1513
actually fuck it, i think worrying about if we want to double lynch this early on is completely counter productive.

##Vote: Dienosaur
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
March 01 2013 01:18 GMT
#1514
Case on Sylencia

Here we start with this awesome post:
On February 25 2013 07:05 Sylencia wrote:
Because of your piss poor attitude when things don't go exactly the way you want it to.

Anyways, I odn't see anything that's particularly out of the ordinary about the policy that Hapa is suggesting. I think even as a blue role it might be better to just put yourself out there and have a good defense. Reluctance makes you suspicious in town eyes, as well as suspicious on the mafia side.


Speaking of bad first posts, he openly suggests blues come forward at the start of the game. Then he says reluctance to reveal yourself should be met with suspicion. Why would a towny ever want to expose blues, especially so early? I can understand if it is later in the game and there are lots of zany roles to protect people with, but this set-up so far seems to be pretty straight forward and simple.

Here he promises reads then doesn't deliver
On February 26 2013 08:25 Sylencia wrote:
As for reads, this is going to sound like a broken record to you by now, but tonight. If that's not good enough for you, I am perfectly willing to put myself up for the duel.


Then there is his vote on Adam:
On February 26 2013 18:31 Sylencia wrote:

The sad thing is that I don't see Adam being scum, but just a detriment to town.

Regarding Keir, I feel like he's pretty much on the same area as I am, not much from him but the fact he's argued with Adam meant that he's been put up for a duel. I'm still null on Keir, but if this is the way Adam wants to play I don't think it's exactly going to help us out in the long run.

##Vote: Adam


Here he says Adam isn't scum, then he actually has the balls to vote to kill him anyway. He also manages to weakly align himself with Keir (who flipped scum, btw). But wait... what's this?:

On February 27 2013 14:07 Sylencia wrote:
You try to nail me last night for what you're doing at the moment, but worse because you're statement essentially says you're killing off what you believe to probably be 2 townies. If you believe Keir is town, you have no reason to try kill him. Even if he's bad town, he still gives us the numbers we need to stay further afloat vs scum.


Now it's not ok to kill a towny, even if he's bad? This whole post goes directly against his vote on adam. Why you so flip-floppy, Syl?

He finally makes some real reads once Adam is dead, maybe because he is being pressured for looking scummy. Whatever, standard play. What is interesting is this little blip:
On February 28 2013 23:56 Sylencia wrote:
Should probably clarify/add to that point about why I want to duel Corazon: ~70% of his scumhunting time has been dedicated to me with ~80% of his case being completely meta despite saying how inaccurate metareads are. 15% of it have valid scum traits within them and 5% contain specific points/errors in my reasoning and logic. I honestly don't even know if he's really read through much of what I've said and just complained about quantity, quantity and quantity (with a dash of quality thrown into one of his latest posts).

While it's still considered scumhunting, I don't see it to be very productive at all seeing as how he has had his tunnel vision glasses on since stopping with yam and Oats.


He admits to having scum traits? Why would a towny ever say something like that? And the whole message is pretty much, "I want to duel Corazon because he is tunneling me". Maybe I'm wrong about this, but shouldn't you want to duel because you think someone is scum, not because they hurt your feelings?

There are a few other smaller things that add up after a while, but I think I've got the main points up there.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 01 2013 01:18 GMT
#1515
On March 01 2013 10:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
actually fuck it, i think worrying about if we want to double lynch this early on is completely counter productive.

##Vote: Dienosaur


Why is it counter-productive? I think it encourages the two people we need to talk the most (Syl and Dieno) to talk more.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18072 Posts
March 01 2013 01:19 GMT
#1516
Waiting for Dieno's case...
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18072 Posts
March 01 2013 01:19 GMT
#1517
Lol. Ninja'd.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:20 GMT
#1518
dieno and syl, both of you should make a full list of reads post, similar to the huge ass one that adam made last cycle
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18072 Posts
March 01 2013 01:21 GMT
#1519
@Dieno: is Syl your strongest scumread?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:25 GMT
#1520
On March 01 2013 10:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 10:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
actually fuck it, i think worrying about if we want to double lynch this early on is completely counter productive.

##Vote: Dienosaur


Why is it counter-productive? I think it encourages the two people we need to talk the most (Syl and Dieno) to talk more.


i'm worried that most people are going to go for this double lynch thing and not commit to picking either side. Do you really think that it's most likely that both of them are scum? If you think there's even a small chance of them having different alignments then it's beneficial to know which one the thread wants to lynch. it's much easier for scum to justify a vote later on in the cycle as opposed to right now.

and if you're worried about dieno and syl not feeling pressured if we don't immediately go for double lynch.... don't worry about it. i'm sure they know exactly what position they're in.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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