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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:20 GMT
#1518
dieno and syl, both of you should make a full list of reads post, similar to the huge ass one that adam made last cycle
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:25 GMT
#1520
On March 01 2013 10:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 10:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
actually fuck it, i think worrying about if we want to double lynch this early on is completely counter productive.

##Vote: Dienosaur


Why is it counter-productive? I think it encourages the two people we need to talk the most (Syl and Dieno) to talk more.


i'm worried that most people are going to go for this double lynch thing and not commit to picking either side. Do you really think that it's most likely that both of them are scum? If you think there's even a small chance of them having different alignments then it's beneficial to know which one the thread wants to lynch. it's much easier for scum to justify a vote later on in the cycle as opposed to right now.

and if you're worried about dieno and syl not feeling pressured if we don't immediately go for double lynch.... don't worry about it. i'm sure they know exactly what position they're in.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:28 GMT
#1521
as long as nobody hammers early, there's no real reason not to vote. so I say we should be voting even if we're in favor of the double lynch. it's easy to unvote, but not so easy to figure out who's scum if we're letting everyone passively agree to double-lynch
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:37 GMT
#1524
don't get me wrong.... I am 100% in favor of killing both of them.

I don't need to really wait for everyone's posts to come in before I know that the thread probably wants to kill both of them. There's nothing to be gained by stating the obvious. So I think picking 1 to die, and 1 to live is worth talking about.

after we decide which of them is scummier we can start the circle lynch double jerk
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:38 GMT
#1525
EBWOP double lynch circle jerk
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 01:50 GMT
#1530
dieno now we need your full reads on everyone else in the game. maps would be a nice bonus too
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 02:01 GMT
#1532
it raises my post count
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 02:14 GMT
#1535
I'm calling bullshit on dieno's stance on syl. Look the post dieno quoted to justify the duel:

On March 01 2013 09:07 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 07:55 Sylencia wrote:
my wanting to duel him has increased


This town obviously isn't big enough for both of us, Sylencia.

##Duel: Sylencia


Here's where that quote came from:

On March 01 2013 07:55 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 00:48 Alderan wrote:

@Syl, so under no circumstance would you initiate a duel with Dieno?


I would much prefer it with Corazon, but I'm not going to put a random duel out there if everyone doesn't agree on it.

If Deino remained missing without an explanation until now I would've considered him a lot more but he's here now, and my wanting to duel him has increased since he's made this gem of a statement:

Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 02:29 Dienosore wrote:
As for me dueling Syl, I would totally be OK with that. He has looked scummy to me for a while now.


No explanation, this is the first time he's ever mentioned me in a post, and he gives no reinforcement to his claim. At least everyone else has done something to show that I am potentially scummy but Dieno just sheeps onto that thought and is now riding it.



What.... that post from syl is actually pretty good imo. Dienosaur completely took that quote out of context in order to justify his duel. Syl is not saying he wants to duel deino, he'd rather lynch Cor.

The whole premise of this duel is stupid, it's very obvious that dieno is more concerned about keeing up appearances rather than lynching his top scumread.

I am now against double lynch, here's why.

-Two people get pressured to duel each other, because they are the scummiest in the thread.

-Syl is hesitant to duel, and would rather duel his top scumread, Corozon

-Dieno is eager to duel, on the basis that syl is warming up to the idea of dueling dieno

Dieno's read on syl comes from nowhere. He's just doing this because we told him to, not because he cares about lynching scum when means we should lynch him.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 02:18 GMT
#1536
On March 01 2013 11:08 Acrofales wrote:
K, given Dieno's case some consideration and I actually like it. I had dismissed that whole Cora/Syl spat, but that post about blues IS weird.

Diving back into Sylencia's filter again.


dienosore completely misrepresented what syl was saying. dieno was saying that syl was looking for blues to claim or something, right? syl was referring to blues not being scared to enter duels:

Because of your piss poor attitude when things don't go exactly the way you want it to.

Anyways, I odn't see anything that's particularly out of the ordinary about the policy that Hapa is suggesting. I think even as a blue role it might be better to just put yourself out there and have a good defense. Reluctance makes you suspicious in town eyes, as well as suspicious on the mafia side.


"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 02:36 GMT
#1540
was the redaction something that got edited in after the fact? i'm pretty sure it was. i'm also pretty sure that I read the pm when it was initially posted... and I don't remember being thrown off by anything when I first read it
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 02:40 GMT
#1545
On March 01 2013 11:37 Dienosore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 01 2013 11:14 thrawn2112 wrote:
I'm calling bullshit on dieno's stance on syl. Look the post dieno quoted to justify the duel:

blah blah blah

Here's where that quote came from:

blah blah blah

What.... that post from syl is actually pretty good imo. Dienosaur completely took that quote out of context in order to justify his duel. Syl is not saying he wants to duel deino, he'd rather lynch Cor.


Would you have preferred if I quoted this one instead?:
Show nested quote +

While I'm willing to go up for a duel because of my lurker status, my lack of critical scumhunting, and whatnot - I'll let Deino cast the duel. He can show he has the same commitment that I do to being on the block.


Show nested quote +

The whole premise of this duel is stupid, it's very obvious that dieno is more concerned about keeing up appearances rather than lynching his top scumread.

As I explained to Acro, Syl is currently my top scumread.

Show nested quote +

Dieno's read on syl comes from nowhere. He's just doing this because we told him to, not because he cares about lynching scum when means we should lynch him.

Maybe you didn't read my case. I'd hardly say that my read "comes from nowhere".


that case came after you dueled syl. there's barely anything in your filter that suggests you had a strong enough read on syl that would make you want to duel him.

so what is your 2nd strongest scumread? 3rd? etc
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 04:00 GMT
#1548
dienosore, one question:

Give me the most basic statement you can summarizing syl's play, and why you think he's scum. Keep it as short and as to the point as possible.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 05:15 GMT
#1549
##unvote
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 05:21 GMT
#1552
lol i read all of syl's filter, and all of his previous games. i really wish i could vote for just one but they are both pretty scummy.

it made me think I should reconsider my dieno read, so i did..... but he still looks like scum. i can't justify saving either of them
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 05:27 GMT
#1554
i hate it tbh. but there seems to be no other sensible option.

that being said i'd like to know who you would vote for if you had to pick one.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 05:39 GMT
#1558
On March 01 2013 14:34 Adam4167 wrote:
Thrawn, can you argue any of the points I made earlier on this page about this not being a two-scum lynch?


I was originally thinking that too. But there may be 3 scum left.... and if that's the case, then having 2 scum duel today isn't as ridiculous as if there are only 2 scum remaining.

On March 01 2013 14:34 Adam4167 wrote:
Assuming you start with the premise that dieno is scum, which I have no issue doing as his filter just smacks of scum.


Read sylencia's filter. It also smacks of scum.

Do you have any problems with syl being scum or are you just thinking that both can't be scum?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 05:58 GMT
#1560
yeah ok

##Vote: Dienosore
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 08:35 GMT
#1567
acro, i looked at syl's other games, and i'm inclined to think you could make a case for him being scum based on meta

do you agree/disagree with this?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 09:22 GMT
#1577
I think there's a difference in conviction. As town he lurks and stuff but will still get down to business. This game he's been pouting, not voting based on scum reads (voting to kill the worse town player, adam over keir) and just not having reads in general.

Does anyone know what syl's reads are? (no)

there is some stuff recently about cor, and of course he claims adam is scum. but that's it. oh I was reading the thread and this was funny, and true:

On February 27 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
So you have a null read on him?

Let's forget my meta argument for a second. Let's take a look at what he has done this game:

-Lurked at multiple important points in the game (he has 13 posts when many of us have 60+)
-Many of his posts are short, have no real point, and are of no value to the town
-Promised scum reads but never delivered on them
-Trying to fly under the radar, only brought out when someone asks for it
-Sits on the middle of the fence for this lynch, showing he does not really care about the lynch

It has scum written all over it. Is there anything I'm missing?



If I have to assume that both aren't scum (which i'm conflicted about atm) I am taking syl's side against dieno. kinda waiting for syl to show up before deciding if I want double lynch

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 01 2013 09:29 GMT
#1581
dino how are you gonna say that I slunk back into the shadows? the shadows of my 7 page filter?

does that mean I'm a scum read? same question for all of the names in your d2 analysis... are those people scum?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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