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Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 04:52 GMT
#307
On February 13 2013 13:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
You non-challantly expressed your read as soon as he started pushing you,

How is this scummy?

Show nested quote +
then when someone pressured you about it, you gave some half-assed justification for it (and I call it half-assed because it can be so easily refuted).

Again, how is this scummy?

Did I ever call you scum? Why so defensive?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:04 GMT
#310
On February 13 2013 14:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
You didnt say it outright no, but the way you have been asking questions, is making me think you have a scum read on me.

Why does it matter, if ME as town, has a lousy and innaccurate read on BH? Just ignore it/correct it and move on.

However, if Me as scum, has a unsupported town read on BH, does it make BH scummier? Or townier?

In conclusion, the only reason to be asking me questions like these is if you think I am scum

No, the only reason for me to be asking questions like these is to figure out if I think you are town or scum. If I already had a solid scum read on you, I wouldn't need to ask questions.

And if you are scum (and even if you are town, for that matter), then your read on BH means absolutely NOTHING about BH's alignment.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:20 GMT
#318
On February 13 2013 14:16 iamperfection wrote:
this game reminds me of rockband mini when bh made a shitty case as town and then proceeded to tunnel the fuck out of the guy and just gauged reactions.

I do not think oats actions so far in anyway are largely alignment indicative and i would probally say he is more likely to be town.

Bh case can be summed up as well he thought slightly different about the pyp. big deal all it really tells us is that oats thinks it from more than one point of view.

I think the fact that oats didn't run away and asked questions about why people had scum reads or scum feeling instead of just calling people stupid is constructive and shows a town mindset.

This makes no sense. You simplify it way, way too much.

Scum: Gives up and pouts when questioned.
Town: Answers questions.

That's such a ridiculous dichotomy. Would you apply that heuristic to me? To marv? To BH? To DP? Then why are you applying it to Oats?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:25 GMT
#322
On February 13 2013 14:22 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 14:20 Keirathi wrote:
On February 13 2013 14:16 iamperfection wrote:
this game reminds me of rockband mini when bh made a shitty case as town and then proceeded to tunnel the fuck out of the guy and just gauged reactions.

I do not think oats actions so far in anyway are largely alignment indicative and i would probally say he is more likely to be town.

Bh case can be summed up as well he thought slightly different about the pyp. big deal all it really tells us is that oats thinks it from more than one point of view.

I think the fact that oats didn't run away and asked questions about why people had scum reads or scum feeling instead of just calling people stupid is constructive and shows a town mindset.

This makes no sense. You simplify it way, way too much.

Scum: Gives up and pouts when questioned.
Town: Answers questions.

That's such a ridiculous dichotomy. Would you apply that heuristic to me? To marv? To BH? To DP? Then why are you applying it to Oats?

do you have a point to your question or are you just questioning my logic for shits and giggles.

i have a town read on oats
deal with it

Do you read nothing I post?

I'm not interested in your read of Oats. I don't give a shit if you think he town or if you think he is scum. I give a shit WHY you think those things.

A case (town case, scum case...doesn't matter) says much more about the person making it than the person it is about.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:26 GMT
#323
On February 13 2013 14:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Keirathi, why are you so confrontational this game? Are you scum?

[sarcasm]Yes, you caught me. Damn.[/sarcasm]

Why are you asking questions that have no possible answer?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:29 GMT
#325
On February 13 2013 14:27 iamperfection wrote:
all you said was what i think makes no sense you said nothing of my alignment.

you afraid to say what you think bro ?

What is there to think? Honestly, you said something I disagreed with, and I told you why I disagreed with it, while asking you a question about it.

No, I have no read whatsoever on you. Yes, you are generally easy to read, but you haven't posted much.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:34 GMT
#329
On February 13 2013 14:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Avioding the question Keirathi.

The main question is what I wanted answered.

That's the part that has no answer. What am I supposed to say to it if I'm town? What am I supposed to say to it if I am scum?

(Hint: The answer to both of those questions is the same thing. Meaning your question is bad.)
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:40 GMT
#332
On February 13 2013 14:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
(Hint: Avioding questions isnt good)

Then why dont you answer it? Like why not?
Because its your super secret playstyle?

Super secret. Yes.

Anyways, I'm not going to respond to this anymore. I'm not answering the question because it is a pointless question that has absolutely nothing to do with my alignment and will tell you nothing about my alignment no matter what I say.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 05:48 GMT
#334
On February 13 2013 14:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
So
Keirathi, do you have any reads?

And what do you think about Dandel Ion

No, I have no reads that I am confident enough to vote for or make a case about.

Same applies to Dandel. He was trolling then sheeped BH, but hasn't really said anything of substance to judge him on.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 15:29 GMT
#393
On February 13 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
So he talked to 1 or 2 people before the game started and they can confirm that he planned this pregame?

I dont get that meaning from the sentence at all.

Yes, that is exactly what that sentence meant.

Marv told me a week ago or so that he was going to play this game to have fun and relax, no matter what his alignment was.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 15:39 GMT
#398
On February 14 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Marv, is Keirathi's and Iamp's statments correct??
Yes I am curious. And yes this is a useless post.

Also, I wouldnt post like that to have fun, too much work :/

Lol do you really think I am lying about it?

[02/08][10:46:55] <marv|work> i'll probably be quite laid-back and not doing that much in Themed

Look at the time stamp.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 16:07 GMT
#420
On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know.


Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 16:11 GMT
#422
EBWOP: also, I believe that statement Dandel made comes straight from one of the guides stickied at the top of the forums.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 17:12 GMT
#427
On February 14 2013 02:09 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 01:07 Keirathi wrote:
On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:

On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know.


Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads.


Dammit Keir, I wanted him to answer. Oh well...



I am really failing at that this game. But, the way you phrased it made it sound like you disagreed. And I disagreed with your disagreement.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 18:19 GMT
#431
On February 14 2013 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 01:07 Keirathi wrote:
On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:

On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know.


Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads.


And see, to me, that's a bit odd. Dandelion expresses how important it is that townies establish town cred (which I personally somewhat disagree that that's not necessarily #1, but that's a whole different discussion) and yet he has done nothing at all in my mind to try to establish his own townieness.

If anything, his behavior thus far has led me the other way.

Right, I agree that Dandel hasn't done much towards proving his innocence if he does in fact believe that that should be your #1 priority as a townie. But I was only commenting on Hassy's statement, not whether Dandel was "practicing what he preached".
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 22:33 GMT
#487
On February 14 2013 06:52 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 06:47 Crossfire99 wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:45 austinmcc wrote:
(Read that as "not," I had to stretch for it)

Seriously, what's your deal man? Is this some sort of post restriction or something?

It should be plane to the reader that my word choice has been coordinate(d) with some kind of goal.

And what goal is that? Johnny up and say what you mean.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 13 2013 23:13 GMT
#493
On February 14 2013 08:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 08:08 Crossfire99 wrote:
On February 14 2013 07:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 14 2013 07:20 Crossfire99 wrote:
On February 14 2013 06:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
He's actually just practicing for WLIIA.

Well I don't know of any game like that in WLIIA. You will have to enlighten me on something though. Zealously you call many people scum all game.
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2013 09:15 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 09:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Why not RNG vote Dandelion?! ;P

If someone could refresh my memory, does mayor have anything special other than choosing the lynch?

OH YEAH LET ME ROLL ONE.


THE MAGIC NUMBER IS 10! REJOICE!
##VOTE CROSSFIRE99

On February 13 2013 10:22 Dandel Ion wrote:
This just in, randombum is scum.

Because he didn't say hi.

On February 13 2013 12:34 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 12:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 13 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well, I dont think mayor is necessarily good because its not worth the risk IMO.
If we vote in scum, We will defiantly not get a scum lynch tomorrow, and also, it basically kills discussion.


your reasons are bad

you are scum

##unvote
##vote Oatsmaster

This man seems to speak the truth.

##Unvote
##Vote: Oatsmaster

On February 13 2013 21:13 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also also, marv is scum.

On February 13 2013 23:54 Dandel Ion wrote:
I would also totally like to lynch gonzaw.

4 posts in the game so far and they were all useless go-figure stuff, and no intention to figure anything out shown anywhere.

And you provided little reasoning for these votes (and say you aren't trolling + Show Spoiler +
On February 13 2013 09:32 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 09:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
All aboard the Crossfire wagon choo choo!

*Waits for somebody to call this wagon retarded*

Yeah, maybe we should cut out the trolliness. Except Dandel, he is allowed to capslock entire game and be confirmed town in my book.

I'M NOT TROLLING

On February 13 2013 21:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also I'm not trolling.

). But the thing is I don't recall you doing anything like this in mtg. Came in with questions, not accusations of scum with barely any reasoning. Do explain why you act like this.

One of us played in WLIIA, one of us didn't.

One of us understands the term "joke", one of us doesn't.


I act like this, not only because I can.
But mostly.
There is a sense though.
Trolling, I am not.
All will be unraveled in due time.

Zealously, I have written in the postgame of MTG my plan, already.
Reading them, you seemingly did not.
That plan there, was not a joke.

Oh I forgot about this post. + Show Spoiler +
On February 07 2013 04:35 Dandel Ion wrote:
I think hydras work pretty well in this mode. More players, but not too many actual decks, lol.


Anyways I personally detirmined this:
The more effort i put into games, the less fun I have.
I put the most effort into this game than, like, ever before (I blame acro for making me feel bad whenever i was slacking off). Incidentially, it was also the least fun in many ways.
Even though I was really hyped and excited about the setup.

So henceforth, I shall aim to not put any effort whatsoever into my games.
Maybe mafia will get fun again then. Worth a try.

I hope it works for you and you have fun because we play mafia to have fun. I just ask that you put in a teensy bit more work and at least give a reason if you think someone is scum. I see you did that for gonzaw, so hopefully that shouldn't be too much work for you. I really do hope you have fun this game.

I decline.
When I say no effort, I mean no effort.

What I wrote on gonzaw, it was already too much, it seems.
I must buckle down, and do less.
Thanks for reminding me.

Then I shall have fun lynching you, because I honestly don't give a rats ass what you think is fun. I want to win, and someone not putting in any effort is detrimental to that.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 16:32 GMT
#621
On February 15 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Hassybaby


This is a serious vote. Considering what happened with Hassybaby in Parallel where he was really active, this is disturbing.

Really active? He had 5 pages of filter (across both worlds) and survived until LYLO (which was day 6).
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 16:41 GMT
#624
Speaking of which:

##Vote: Oatsmaster

This is the second time you've made a bullshit "read" with terrible reasoning. If you were town, you would be voting/giving town reads for real reasons, not something you just made up that sounded good.

Also, while I'm on the subject of Oats, a question for Marv:

(From the post-game of LVIII)
On January 12 2013 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 01:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah Djo's scum play scares me


I became incredibly suspicious of Djo right around where I ragequit. Witness the following posts:

Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote:

Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ?


Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:

@ Keir

Did you cacth up with the whole thread now ?
What do you make of this day ? Do you think mafia was on BC's lynch ?

Also I would like to know if the fact that we have already 2 cops dead change anything about your read on marv.


Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 10:00 Djodref wrote:
On January 05 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
Kei, why don't you stop talking about Toad, and start talking about more interesting people like Meapak or froggy.


@ marv

Who do you think mafia was voting at the end of day 1 ?


All these questions/points are useless, and serve no direction. He's asking all the wrong questions.


So why is it that when Oats does this same thing (asking irrelevent questions that serve no direction or purpose), you give Oats a town read?
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
February 14 2013 16:59 GMT
#630
On February 15 2013 01:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:41 Keirathi wrote:
Speaking of which:

##Vote: Oatsmaster

This is the second time you've made a bullshit "read" with terrible reasoning. If you were town, you would be voting/giving town reads for real reasons, not something you just made up that sounded good.

Also, while I'm on the subject of Oats, a question for Marv:

(From the post-game of LVIII)
On January 12 2013 01:53 marvellosity wrote:
On January 12 2013 01:47 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah Djo's scum play scares me


I became incredibly suspicious of Djo right around where I ragequit. Witness the following posts:

On January 05 2013 06:38 Djodref wrote:

Do you have any breadcrumb by the way ?


On January 05 2013 09:14 Djodref wrote:

@ Keir

Did you cacth up with the whole thread now ?
What do you make of this day ? Do you think mafia was on BC's lynch ?

Also I would like to know if the fact that we have already 2 cops dead change anything about your read on marv.


On January 05 2013 10:00 Djodref wrote:
On January 05 2013 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
Kei, why don't you stop talking about Toad, and start talking about more interesting people like Meapak or froggy.


@ marv

Who do you think mafia was voting at the end of day 1 ?


All these questions/points are useless, and serve no direction. He's asking all the wrong questions.


So why is it that when Oats does this same thing (asking irrelevent questions that serve no direction or purpose), you give Oats a town read?


Hello, gentleman Keirathi. Simply enough, young Oats and Djodref are not the same gentleman.

So Djo is known for not asking irrelevant questions, but Oats does? I wasn't aware of that. Please, some examples.

On February 15 2013 01:52 marvellosity wrote:
Perhaps to elaborate a little for you, gentleman Keirathi. To me it is a sign of young Oats' good intent if he is willingly "making bullshit reads with terrible reasonining." As you are probably aware, sir, I was able to discern young Oats' bad intentions in the establishment named 'LIX', for the reasoning that he had no reads at all, 'bullshit' or otherwise.

Truly it can be argued that young Oats does not make arguments rigorously or perhaps even correctly; yet I have not seen the evil intentions that I have been able to discern before.

Fair point. But I would endeavor to take it a step further. If young Mr. Oats was caught so handily by yourself in LIX, wouldn't the natural human instinct be to try something different? As a great scientist once said, it is the height of folly to keep repeating the same experiment hoping for different results.

And I don't see the transition from No Reads -> No Reads That Can Be Backed Up With Facts to be a big jump in playstyle.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
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