ya. I think i might have been completely wrong to think he was town. he actually came in to "lol" at something or some shit like that, then afked again. terrible.

Vivax

22245 Posts

February 15 2013 23:18 GMT

#847

Grush, did you really think you had the chance to get a risk wagon up in such short time? Why weren't you ok with the existing wagons?

Zessionar

Azerbaijan178 Posts

February 15 2013 23:20 GMT

#848

ahm, marvel might not be scum tbh :D

i am starting to believe vivax is scum though

grush57

Korea (South)2582 Posts

February 15 2013 23:21 GMT

#849

On February 16 2013 08:18 Vivax wrote:
Grush, did you really think you had the chance to get a risk wagon up in such short time? Why weren't you ok with the existing wagons?

no, but I just wanted to state I thought he was scum.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 23:22 GMT

#850

Marv, you never quite articulated why you were so against the Yamato wagon. Thinking that he is null is fine, but the null read doesn't seem very consistent with your play. You were willing to sheep Sandro on Toad, but not on Yamato. The last minute switch makes you look better, but even as mafia you can never be sure whether a bunch of people are about to last minute switch as well.

Vivax

22245 Posts

February 15 2013 23:23 GMT

#851

On February 16 2013 08:20 Zessionar wrote:
ahm, marvel might not be scum tbh :D

i am starting to believe vivax is scum though

It just shows how serious you were about your shitlists.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 23:23 GMT

#852

Anyway our vigs, if any, shouldn't get any smart ideas and shoot anyone who has been active. Go for the ones who have been and will be non-entities.

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

February 15 2013 23:24 GMT

#853

Btw, everyone should note that Artanis was not the majority voter on yamato - he came afterwards. Additionally, he was a person who constantly defended yamato by attempting to frame the case on him as being about lurking instead the extremely strange behavior in the beginning (which Artanis also attempted to explain away) and by complaining about the wagon being fast. The most suspicious part about the wagon thing is where he says the yamato wagon is too fast while ignoring the super wagon which was actually bigger and faster-developing.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

February 15 2013 23:26 GMT

#854

On February 16 2013 08:22 syllogism wrote:
Marv, you never quite articulated why you were so against the Yamato wagon. Thinking that he is null is fine, but the null read doesn't seem very consistent with your play. You were willing to sheep Sandro on Toad, but not on Yamato. The last minute switch makes you look better, but even as mafia you can never be sure whether a bunch of people are about to last minute switch as well.

lol. are you serious? the dye was cast! ^^

I was willing to sheep sandroba on toad because he had stronger feelings for toad than yamato, and i couldn't see any particular reason toad was town.

I thought yamato was afk and pretty much coinflippy because of that. Admittedly I read his 'long' post wrong, I thought it was somewhat characteristic of a town yamato.

Artanis[Xp]

Netherlands12970 Posts

February 15 2013 23:26 GMT

#855

My and risk.nuke's post were at the same time Hiro and they were less than a minute before the deadline. I didn't see his post when I made mine, and mine was still necessary for a majority at that point.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

February 15 2013 23:26 GMT

#856

On February 16 2013 08:24 HiroPro wrote:
Btw, everyone should note that Artanis was not the majority voter on yamato - he came afterwards. Additionally, he was a person who constantly defended yamato by attempting to frame the case on him as being about lurking instead the extremely strange behavior in the beginning (which Artanis also attempted to explain away) and by complaining about the wagon being fast. The most suspicious part about the wagon thing is where he says the yamato wagon is too fast while ignoring the super wagon which was actually bigger and faster-developing.

as far as i can see, artanis and risk voted at practically identical times.

HiroPro

United States2624 Posts

February 15 2013 23:28 GMT

#857

If I were mafia, I would have a pre-written post to claim credit for a lynch when it actually didn't do anything. I don't think it's unlikely that Artanis would do that. Also, TL towns are generally scared of no-lynches beyond belief, so a lot of blame gets thrown on people who "cause a no-lynch" even if they otherwise did nothing suspicious.

WeWinMafia

Bahamas102 Posts

February 15 2013 23:29 GMT

#858

while I agree it is not only the case for Artanis.

The same goes for Marv and I don't care that much who was the #10, the #9 or even the #7 and #8 on the vote-list. It's all pretty much the same. As syllo said, it's extended majority, mafia had to assume there might be people willing to switch just for the sake of avoiding a no-lynch and I don't give a crap about wether marv or Artanis made the majority at all.

Both defended Yamato in an unreasonable way. Marv more so than Artanis. Both pushed other people instead, especially around the time when it got close out of nowhere and again 10 minutes prior to the deadline. Both were happy to sheep people for no particular reason and were happy to vote anyone but Yamato.

Not sure what to make of Grush right now. His actions were by far the worst but he's grush after all...