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Hopeless1der
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On February 17 2013 10:26 Vivax wrote: I never mentioned reasons for Zess being scum? You never mentioned anything further. You took for granted that Zess is scum and used that to make a case on me. Why split your attention? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 17 2013 10:31 Vivax wrote: Wtf is this question, there are three scum left. And you are trying to get me lynched before the guy I'm supposedly bussing. Shouldn't you prove Zess is scum before you move on to finding his team? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 17 2013 10:34 Vivax wrote: Don't reduce my case to your connection with Zess, hopeless. Assume Zess is town. Your case falls apart. Assume Zess is scum. Your case has merit (still false, but not broken) I'll reduce it to the simplest terms possible as necessary. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 17 2013 11:18 layabout wrote: I need to proof read more, that sentence reads quite badly. What i meant was that hopeless1der's initial vote on yamato makes little sense as mafia, there was no real pressure on yamato+ Show Spoiler + (since my posts in general haven't carried much weight and the other votes where unexplained or joke votes by players without thread presence) + Show Spoiler + Hope that's clearer and answers your question Hopeless1eder does need to explain why he went for yamato over zess though. As to why zess is town i'm not sure if i can fully explain but he has been active, agressive and he has produced content. Reading through his filter it seems like if he is mafia then he has a very strange mindset. (plus syllo said so.) Aside from being a complete asshole with out of game consequences, Zess has provided more content, and sadly being an asshole in general made me shift my read back towards null on him. Finding out he's willing to spew meaningless banter if Toad is involved helped in that endeavor as well. I may not have articulated my thoughts about Yamato with my initial vote, but your case was spot on, especially where he takes the exact same evidence and finds a new conclusion. At the end of the day I considered that, and what marv had been doing trying to get Vivax lynched. I expect more activity out of the both of them, but Vivax felt worse, and I was thinking pretty much exactly what marv said in his case on vivax in that he wasnt pushing his reads. By the end of things, Vivax wasn't getting any votes and I didn't want to lynch Zess over Yamato especially with deadline fast approaching and the lynch not being set yet. I'd much rather have SS around longer than Yamato so I voted accordingly. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 17 2013 22:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fair enough. That weakens my town read on him slightly. Still think he's town though. Glad to hear this. I'll also point out I clearly knew marv was going to be looking into me. On February 15 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I look forward to it. I accept. ##Unvote: Zessionar ##Vote: Yamato77 On February 17 2013 22:50 ObviousOne wrote: Not sure why Coag is calling Marv town and buddying him. I don't feel like much of Coag's participation is insightful or useful up to this point. Who's Mattchew? risk.nuke doing a lot of attacking Zess on Yamato's behalf. Could be the emotional context of the Zess situation and the distinct lack of Yamato presence combined. I matched up on the Zess read with him D1 so I don't really hold it against him. I'd be concerned if he continues to push Zess today. Layabout seems to have the same idea as me regarding Hopeless. I give him some town cred for trying to get us shitposters to stop posting so shitty. Shit, he doesn't like Grush either. I like Layabout. ObviousOne, layabout disagrees with you about my alignment: On February 17 2013 11:18 layabout wrote: I need to proof read more, that sentence reads quite badly. What i meant was that hopeless1der's initial vote on yamato makes little sense as mafia, there was no real pressure on yamato+ Show Spoiler + (since my posts in general haven't carried much weight and the other votes where unexplained or joke votes by players without thread presence) + Show Spoiler + Hope that's clearer and answers your question Hopeless1eder does need to explain why he went for yamato over zess though. As to why zess is town i'm not sure if i can fully explain but he has been active, agressive and he has produced content. Reading through his filter it seems like if he is mafia then he has a very strange mindset. (plus syllo said so.) What are you basing your assessment on? @ the recent grush vs Toad That looks like a townie spat to me. Toad knew exactly what he was talking about, grush has mad confirmation bias. On February 17 2013 19:06 syllogism wrote: I think we should eliminate one of the non-contributors today. I'm finding it almost impossible to form at mafia team that doesn't include at least one such a player and even if we miss, it's not a disaster. If you feel that the description applies to you, now is the time to start investing time in the game because the clock is ticking. I'd expect you to have a shortlist of people falling into this category. Care to share? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 17 2013 23:54 layabout wrote: obviousone my read on Hopeless1der changed because of yamato's flip some of the stuff i said earlier still stands. and you need to get votes off of yamato voters, there is almost certainly mafia that didn't end up on him That list is only 4 people right? Vivax Obvious grush and Coag. The only one I like in there is Vivax. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Hopeless1der
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On February 18 2013 03:15 sandroba wrote: @hopeless you commented on the gun usage, but no comments on risk.nuke? I'm fine with shooting Risk. I was curious if syllo would let us direct his shot, but as he's taking suggestions from you, its almost the same thing. On February 16 2013 07:34 risk.nuke wrote: Can't for the life of me understand what yamato have done to warrant being lynched over Zess. Seriously what are you doing! Zess who straight out changed his mind about his reasoning when questioned. That fucking translates to he made up his reasoning. Can somebody tell me why a townie would do that? Remember layabout's case on Yamato? Yamato's reasoning changed as well, but risk can't understand for his life why. Looks like he doesn't need that life after all. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
- I don't think my switch to Zess was all that random. My unvote is based on the fact that marv and syllo had looked at Zess and said nope would not lynch. I see grush and Obvious getting onto that wagon and that left me with a sour taste in my mouth. I've also commented on it here:+ Show Spoiler + On February 17 2013 23:19 Hopeless1der wrote: Aside from being a complete asshole with out of game consequences, Zess has provided more content, and sadly being an asshole in general made me shift my read back towards null on him. Finding out he's willing to spew meaningless banter if Toad is involved helped in that endeavor as well. I may not have articulated my thoughts about Yamato with my initial vote, but your case was spot on, especially where he takes the exact same evidence and finds a new conclusion. At the end of the day I considered that, and what marv had been doing trying to get Vivax lynched. I expect more activity out of the both of them, but Vivax felt worse, and I was thinking pretty much exactly what marv said in his case on vivax in that he wasnt pushing his reads. By the end of things, Vivax wasn't getting any votes and I didn't want to lynch Zess over Yamato especially with deadline fast approaching and the lynch not being set yet. I'd much rather have SS around longer than Yamato so I voted accordingly. - My original reasons for voting Yamato never went away, I was being facetious at Vivax. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On February 18 2013 04:55 sandroba wrote: CHO CHO Where is the train going now? | ||
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Hopeless1der
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On February 19 2013 08:09 Acrofales wrote: Oh, this ended superfast and abruptly. Gratz town! Marv looked terrible, but I found that his calm and collected reasoning out of the lynch made him look a lot better (I also had him slightly green due to his response to the claimed shot at night, but it didn't make up for betting on the wrong horse consistently). Marv: I'm glad you've learned how to deal with suspicion  I didn't have Toad down as scum. I had Vivax a fairly deep red in my book. Why, exactly, did the dayvig bus happen? Yamato was not completely obvious to me, but I agreed with the case and he would've been my second scumread after Vivax D1. Risk didn't do enough to look townie: his town meta is far more in-your-face with pressure and reads. This is the umpteenth time he has been caught as scum for not doing anything useful. Also, I presume scumteam was randomized? Seems slightly unfair from a qualitative player pov to have Vivax and Yamato, with Sandro and Syllo (and normally Marv) on town side. Last bit made me giggle | ||
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