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I think that thinking about scum teams at this point is premature.
We need to find 1 scum within the next 48 hours. That is all.
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On February 21 2013 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think that thinking about scum teams at this point is premature.
We need to find 1 scum within the next 48 hours. That is all.
Well if you say that, then I've found my scum, and I'm 10000000000% certain I'm not moving my vote.
Why waste the rest of the day? We still have to figure out his buddies at some point.
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Go and make a case then, lololol :D
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Oh, look, Oats and Jay instantly vote VE. They sure want this vote over fast
##Vote Jay
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That VE case took a lot of effort.
I will do such things soon, though. Perhaps tomorrow before work, or even tonight if I get drunk enough, it shall appear.
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On February 21 2013 15:01 debears wrote:
Oh, look, Oats and Jay instantly vote VE. They sure want this vote over fast
##Vote Jay
That's a bad attempt at making the VE lynch look bad.
Why do you think VE is town, debears?
Let's talk it out.
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On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually,
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
What do you have to say about Jay pushing VE incredibly hard? He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum". You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato? + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?  Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs. + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs??????? + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you.  Show nested quote +Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. Show nested quote +appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either. Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs. WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIMIf jay was town, he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". Oats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean
On February 17 2013 02:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Suddenly, when snarfs is under heavy pressure, jay sees it fitting to vote yamato, who he made a big case on, and then unvote yamato for VE, whom he never made a case on. Sounds townie to me actually, BECAUSE as scum, I was really worried about stuff like that. So I didnt do that. As Town, who cares who you vote if you really think that the guy is scum? If he was so sure VE was scum, why did he not provide analysis and reasoning that would persuade others that VE is scum? Why did he have to resort to screaming "OMG VE is scum!!!!!" Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:28 jaybrundage wrote:On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch? I think VE is scum for sure. We need you on this lynch to kill him. He has been soft defended by numerous players. Because hes scum and they don't want him to die. I don't think Snarfs is scum Because currently the people on him are on my scum list. And the people on VE are on my town list. Also VE has done alot of scummy things. Phagga you wrote a big case on VE before. I'm surprised that you have any doubts about VE Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Holy fuck Sloosh why did you unvote VE now snarfs is gonna get lynched no matter what unless phagga comes back WTF THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkk Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:06 jaybrundage wrote:
Sloosh what the hell where you doing by trying to unvote VE vote Snarfs and unvoting snarfs. Now snarfs has reached the majority and with out Djo we dont have anyway get majority back. YOu fucked this hard Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:07 jaybrundage wrote:
Yamato come over to lynch VE. If you are actually town and we misread you we need to kill VE Where is the logical, persuasive reasoning that a townie would provide to persuade people to his lynch? There wasn't any. There was just begging for people to not lynch scum (snarfs) and lynch VE instead
On February 17 2013 02:16 debears wrote:Oats I have one more thing for you. I would also like input from others (not named Jay) on what I've wrote. What do you think about Jay's comments around the Palmar lynch? Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:04 BioSC wrote:Day 2! Palmar, the Vanilla Townie, has been lynched! This post will be retconned by GM at a later time. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Im not happy this was a shitty pick for a lynch What does that post accomplish from each perspective by jay? Town - he is 99.999999% sure palmar is town. He wants to spread suspicion on everyone on the palmar wagon (even though not all the palmar wagon can be scum). He's pissed for people voting for a wagon that he was on for most of the day. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 12:36 jaybrundage wrote:
@Palmar Eh kinda sucks when you join in a game and your not motivated enough to actually try to play it. Why join in the first place then?
If you give your updated reads and tell who you think is scum that would be awesome.
Also I believe that your town casue of your posting and sincerity. But if you don't want to actually play then replace out or something. Or we can just lynch you if you have no interest in playing. I think your a very strong townie but you said it your self to play the game of mafia well you need to invest time into it. If you dont wanna do that then i think it might be better to keep Mocsta or SlOosh that have showed that they actually want to play this game.
Palmar I will change my vote for you but if you change your mind and decide to play then I will do my best to change the direction of the lynch. The balls in your court.
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##Vote Palmar He pissed because he came in with only 30 minutes left til lynch to suddenly argue for palmar Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:20 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok srlys can we get a vote count?
Also
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta
While I think we have 3 townies up for lynch. I think it would be dumb to kill the best scum hunter i know. Scum will want to nail Palmar and kill him when they get the chance. But the way i see it we shouldn't let them have that chance. We have the best scum catcher in TL and people are considering lynching him. If he is down to play we should keep him. I suggest we lynch Mocsta or SlOosh I'll be moving my vote on who ever has the better chance to get lynched. (If we could get vote count) What kind of town comes back 30 minutes before lynch, to suddenly switch his vote and then proceed to flame everyone about lynching a townie when he was on that townies wagon for most of the day before the flip? Scum - he knows palmar is town. He helps contribute to the palmar wagon. Then, with 30 minutes left he switches votes to act angry to look townie Bitching about a mislynch is in no way pro-town. Bitching about a mislynch when you do nothing to prevent that mislynch (coming in 30 minutes before and making two posts is not doing anything) is scummy as shit.
On February 17 2013 02:25 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Not really, seems like irritated town.
Look, I assume he thought about it and was like, HEY WAIT PALMAR IS PROBABLY TOWN AND WE ARE MISLYNCHING HIM. NOOOO SEE ALL OF YOU SUCK AND ARE PROBABLY SCUM CAUSE YOU JUST MISLYNCHED BEST TOWNIE IN TL MAFIA.!!!! !
Yes, it's possible. Here's my problem with jay day 1 - Votes JX day 2 - votes palmar, then switches to mocsta and bitches about palmars lynch day 3 - hard defends snarfs, votes for VE Is he having that bad of a game and coincidentally doing multiple scummy things, or is he just scum? I'll keep looking
All These points still haven't been refuted at all. I refuse to budge from voting jay until they are
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Don't act stubborn and tunnely now when your town of late is... not tunnely.
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@debears I responded to your case. Good job ignoring it. But at this point you should just bus VE. Try to save some face.
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On February 21 2013 15:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 15:01 debears wrote:
Oh, look, Oats and Jay instantly vote VE. They sure want this vote over fast
##Vote Jay That's a bad attempt at making the VE lynch look bad. Why do you think VE is town, debears? Let's talk it out.
1) Namely, a scum (snarfs) pushed him solely from the beginning of day 1 on.
2) My 2 top scumreads are voting him so quickly
3) My 2 top scumreads have no case on him. They are pure sheeping
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On February 21 2013 15:05 jaybrundage wrote:
@debears I responded to your case. Good job ignoring it. But at this point you should just bus VE. Try to save some face.
Your responses were wifom or weren't actual defenses
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2013 12:12 jaybrundage wrote:@Debears Oats has pretty much defended me satisfactory. He knows the best lynch Na pretty well :o. The pre association case before a flip was pretty bad I have to stop doing that. If you have anymore questions or concerns plz address them to me. If not let's lynch Phagga. @CC You know I'm tempting man. Im the tastiest pie eva Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Although this Jay stuff looks tempting as hell,
@Debears
Stop rolling your face over Jay right now. I think he's pretty lulscum too at this point; but tell me, WHY do you think Phagga is town??? You realize that his voteswitch was actually super scummy right? Sloosh unvotes and looks to be preparing to vote Snarfypoo. That's when Phagga switches over, right in the time between sloosh unvotes and subsequently votes snarfs.
"Oh shit, sloosh gonna tip the tides, GG better bus"
I suggest you go look at Phagga's play again. That's just shitty analysis of his vote to give him a town vibe. I expect better from you.
Phagga best lynch evar atm.
##Vote: Phagga
At anyone wanting to lynch Prplhz right now, why would we over Phagga? I'd like to, as VE puts it, powwow a little bit and discuss it. Prplhz play is lackluster and scummy but I think Phagga has a great chance to flip scum. @Phagga I agree completely on the vote switch looking scummy. Also his hesitantness to vote on VE after the case and then the flip flop looks bad On February 20 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 10:16 debears wrote:
Cheesecake
The fuck?
If you looks like scum, sounds like scum, and votes like scum, it is scum.
Jay is scum. If you think not, THEN FUCKING COUNTER MY PREVIOUS CASES AGAINST HIM. But what if its my town meta too look like scum. But regardless your scum this game. So no use talking about it. On February 20 2013 10:34 jaybrundage wrote:I did have reason for voting VE. It wasn't a big case but I stated my intent here. He wiggles his way out of Sloosh's questions and then throws dirt on Sloosh for no reason. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 07:02 jaybrundage wrote:I would actually gladly lynch VE based on what SlOosh said and his responses On February 10 2013 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wanted to discuss it with CHEESE tomorrow slOosh. I'm perfectly willing to discuss him with you today. -.- On February 10 2013 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is, unless you just wanna talk to Palmar about it. I'll gladly just let you twist my intentions and lynch you for it later. <3 The bolded is my response. Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote:On February 17 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually,
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
What do you have to say about Jay pushing VE incredibly hard? He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum". You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato? + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night? Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs. + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs??????? + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you. Show nested quote +Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. Show nested quote +appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either. Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs. WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIMIf jay was town, Why can't someone whos town have faulty reasoning? he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". It was faulty reasoning granted but you can have faulty reasoning and still be townOats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean Also If i was Snarf's teammate I would of bussed him reallly realllly hard. I think that bussing is a tatic in mafia that people are hesitant to abuse. I would of bussed Snarfs sooo hard if i was mafia it would of not even been funny
How is any of that a fucking rebuttal?
"My meta is scummy"
"I would've bussed snarfs"
"Town can have faulty reasoning"
All are piss poor excuses for a scum.
Die scum
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On February 21 2013 15:05 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 15:03 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 15:01 debears wrote:
Oh, look, Oats and Jay instantly vote VE. They sure want this vote over fast
##Vote Jay That's a bad attempt at making the VE lynch look bad. Why do you think VE is town, debears? Let's talk it out. 1) Namely, a scum (snarfs) pushed him solely from the beginning of day 1 on. 2) My 2 top scumreads are voting him so quickly 3) My 2 top scumreads have no case on him. They are pure sheeping
WOW PREASSOCIATION CASES BEFORE A FLIP. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID TO THINK SNARFS WAS TOWN AND YOU CALLED IT SCUMMY. YOU CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF BRA IT'S SCUMMY.
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On February 21 2013 15:09 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 15:05 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 15:03 yamato77 wrote:On February 21 2013 15:01 debears wrote:
Oh, look, Oats and Jay instantly vote VE. They sure want this vote over fast
##Vote Jay That's a bad attempt at making the VE lynch look bad. Why do you think VE is town, debears? Let's talk it out. 1) Namely, a scum (snarfs) pushed him solely from the beginning of day 1 on. 2) My 2 top scumreads are voting him so quickly 3) My 2 top scumreads have no case on him. They are pure sheeping WOW PREASSOCIATION CASES BEFORE A FLIP. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I DID TO THINK SNARFS WAS TOWN AND YOU CALLED IT SCUMMY. YOU CONTRADICTING YOUR SELF BRA IT'S SCUMMY.
IT'S LYLO YOU DIPSHIT. ASSOCIATION CASES HAVE CREDIT IN LYLO
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I have not seen a well thought out, organized case on why VE is scum. And, why VE is scummier than Jay.
Jay is scum. Vote for scum
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Actually lylo is when I'd say you should be MOST inclined to ignore associations and judge based on play alone.
I want a full response from you on my case of VE before I even consider the POSSIBILITY of lynching jay, and that's only if you can completely prove me wrong.
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On February 21 2013 15:11 debears wrote:
I have not seen a well thought out, organized case on why VE is scum. And, why VE is scummier than Jay.
Jay is scum. Vote for scum
Bullshit.
Total bullshit.
My case is both good and it flows well.
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On February 21 2013 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Actually lylo is when I'd say you should be MOST inclined to ignore associations and judge based on play alone.
I want a full response from you on my case of VE before I even consider the POSSIBILITY of lynching jay, and that's only if you can completely prove me wrong.
I want your response on my case on jay then as well
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On February 21 2013 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Actually lylo is when I'd say you should be MOST inclined to ignore associations and judge based on play alone.
I want a full response from you on my case of VE before I even consider the POSSIBILITY of lynching jay, and that's only if you can completely prove me wrong.
Also that statement is just pure wrong
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On February 21 2013 15:13 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Actually lylo is when I'd say you should be MOST inclined to ignore associations and judge based on play alone.
I want a full response from you on my case of VE before I even consider the POSSIBILITY of lynching jay, and that's only if you can completely prove me wrong. Also that statement is just pure wrong
I think I'm right on this one bud.
Considering your whole town read on VE is association bullshit, I'd think you were better than that.
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On February 21 2013 15:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 15:13 debears wrote:On February 21 2013 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Actually lylo is when I'd say you should be MOST inclined to ignore associations and judge based on play alone.
I want a full response from you on my case of VE before I even consider the POSSIBILITY of lynching jay, and that's only if you can completely prove me wrong. Also that statement is just pure wrong I think I'm right on this one bud. Considering your whole town read on VE is association bullshit, I'd think you were better than that.
The strongest part of my read on him is the snarfs pushing him HARD since early day 1. That means they would have to plan pushing each other FROM THE VERY BEGINNING
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