Of course, because there is no way a townie would switch his vote when he feels he is about to misslynch. A townie should always stick to his cases, no matter what new posts his target has written and no matter if he is going to misslynch or not. /sarcasm

What you fail to see is that my actions can also be explained by town motivation, not only by scum motivation. Some of you guys have some much confirmation bias by now towards me that you are unable to see this, you only see the possible scum motivation and scream "SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!".

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 11:31 GMT

#1385

Of course, cause there is no way scum would switch their vote when he feels that it is suspicious if he keeps going for it, and since there is no traction for the other lynch.

So Phagga, who is scum?

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

February 13 2013 12:53 GMT

#1386

On February 13 2013 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Of course, cause there is no way scum would switch their vote when he feels that it is suspicious if he keeps going for it, and since there is no traction for the other lynch.

you are completely missing the point.

So Phagga, who is scum?

I'll tell you tomorrow when Dawn is over.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 12:58 GMT

#1387

Ok Phagga, in your own words, why arnt you telling us scum reads now?

Mocsta

Australia9389 Posts

February 13 2013 12:59 GMT

#1388

On February 13 2013 21:53 phagga wrote:
I'll tell you tomorrow when Dawn is over.

Thats what she (scum) said

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

February 13 2013 13:02 GMT

#1389

- Because I don't want to give mafia hints on who to nominate
- Because I need to reread D3 after what happened

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 13:10 GMT

#1390

How does telling your reads give mafia hints? I am utterly confused.

Do you not have 1 read on who is scum?

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

February 13 2013 13:24 GMT

#1391

If people starting posting their updated reads now, it gives scum a good idea who is generally viewed as town by other townies and who might still be under suspicioun. This might influence their nomination. For Example, they might try to pick the townies with the most influence, and when they see our scum reads (or even town reads), they have an easier time choosing the right targets.

Another example, Mocsta saying that I'm scum if I'm not up for nomination. If mafia thinks that Mocsta is someone with influence on town, they might not nominate me because they hope that he might push a misslynch on me. Which also makes his post sort of a self-fullfilling prophecy.

I know I'm making some assumptions here, but there is no reason to give this information out now. Activity will be rather low today. Also consider that the reads of several people might have changed after yesterdays events. Let the mafia be in the dark about who we see as town and who as scum, so they have a harder time to damage town with good nominations.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 13:31 GMT

#1392

And you think that all of town has the same reads? And that scum dont know them? Cause that is the only way town benefits from playing like this.

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

February 13 2013 13:41 GMT

#1393

Some reads might be the same, yes. And as I said, after yesterdays events, some reads might have changed. There is a reason why several people stated they want to reread.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 13:51 GMT

#1394

Meh, if I cant change your mind, there is no point in continuing this conversation. Just be aware that withholding reads looks scummy in my eyes.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 13 2013 14:08 GMT

#1395

Got a few mins between dis class.

On February 13 2013 17:41 Mocsta wrote:
phagga, if you are not up for nomination you are scum

Cos tha boss said so.

Not sure if Mocsta scum or jester. What's the purpose on this post? I need to reread Mocsta, wrote him off as town ever since first nominatons.

I want to say shit right now but I'm waiting until dawn phase to ejaculate a thought-provoking post. Anyone around to discuss SlOosh?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 14:12 GMT

#1396

Im here, I am not willing to call slOosh town yet, still null for me

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 13 2013 14:16 GMT

#1397

On February 13 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im here, I am not willing to call slOosh town yet, still null for me

What bugs you about his vote switch? I was reading him as really townie trying to figure stuff out and come to the correct conclusion. I actually didn't think I was going to convince him to join the Snarfs wagon, and it was a long uphill battle. You think he could have last minute bussed -- is that really optimal scum play?

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 14:22 GMT

#1398

I dont know :/
VE wasnt really gaining much traction, it was about equal at the moment and you were pushing Snarfs lynch so hard.

What really bugs me is the total amount of self-deprecation and buddying that happens after the lynch.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 13 2013 09:17 slOosh wrote:
Ok, just finished a full reread.

VE, I apologize to you first. I was so immersed in my phagga case and was so disturbed that you totally dismissed it. You are correct in that you have been on Snarfs & prplhz from the beginning. I admit it - I can't read, which led to my misinterpretation of you and then vice versa the cycle. (similar thing happened in ... that WBG game where we nailed scum 3 days in a row ... not that it's relevant but whatever).

Mr. Cheesecake, you are a boss. I am wrong and you are right and I'm sheeping you all game because I am not as good as I thought I was. I rescind my town read on jay and my scum read on Oats. Too good. MVP right here.

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On February 13 2013 09:27 slOosh wrote:
Eh ... I guess I still have a lot of confirmation bias to deal with.

Phagga smelt like scum and I didn't like that you waived it, but that's probably because I didn't address your Snarfs case first (I guess I missed it or thought Snarfs was right at the time or something).

Also apologies to Oats. You are not daft, I just can't see scum that well.

Ahh ... what a game to go down into the annals of TL Mafia~

Yea ... and not to bias you or anything but I really dig Mr. Cheesecakes' scum team. You can see how they interact with each other. Not that it's valid until you get some flips going, but at this point I've invested enough time into the game for it to click in my head. Oh, and I also could be wrong, so ... yea. Rereading is great!

On February 13 2013 09:38 slOosh wrote:
Oh, yea I suppose. It would be very foolish and humiliating to start celebrations and then end up losing because of arrogance. Excited to do this with you guys. I guess I'll do some homework now and come back at the deadline.

Mr. Cheesecake

United States3756 Posts

February 13 2013 14:31 GMT

#1399

I'll admit it looked like he conceded really suddenly. I actually thought he was joking when he said that I was right and he would sheep me etc etc.

VE was ahead by a few votes with Phagga / prphlz on board. I think SlOosh was really the deciding factor when he unvoted, and ultimately the motion changer. I think his vote switch was the least scummy of them all, so (perhaps) you should reconsider that fact on it's own.

Oats -- you also mention that hiding scumreads is scummy for the Dawn phase. Why? I don't much like Phagga but it's a null point to hide reads until nomination phase start.

Oatsmaster

United States16628 Posts

February 13 2013 14:34 GMT

#1400

Hiding scumreads normally is scummy, and I dont see why its different in this case.

At least we can use the 24 hours productively.
I dont think we should discuss who scum is gonna put up though.

Also DEBEARS, you havent posted anything since your opening post.