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What would you say the main points against me are?
I don't spend a lot of time caring about defending myself. Whoopie. I never do. You're not going to lynch me for that.
I think about other people's reads when considering the lynch candidacy of one of my reads. Who doesn't? If I only push one scum read a day and don't consider other people who are also scummy that other people want to lynch, what good does that do for town?
I only have scum reads on "lurkers". Not true. Activity level is a part of people's general meta, but my case on Snarfs includes the fact that his activity shows a disinterest in the affairs of town, espcially on day 2, which I think is obviously scummy when you consider the possibility of three town players being up for the lynch, as I outlined earlier. I'm not lynching them for not posting, I'm lynching them because their inactivity is INDICATIVE of a MAFIA MENTALITY.
Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony. When I look at who I want to lynch, I first consider my own reads, and then the reads of people that I think are town. If there's a correlation, then it becomes obvious to me that I should push that read as the lynch. If you think this is mafia mentality, then I guess I'll only ever disagree with town and never agree to lynching someone other people want to lynch. Hipster-town-mode ENGAGED.
Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game.
Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that.
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The fact that I'm getting called out for doing "jack shit" is a damn lie.
Stop being a sheep, jay.
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On February 12 2013 12:32 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote: Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony. Dude, WTF is this shit. You vote me, I make a counter-case; you drop it. You have issues with Jay; he makes counter-case; you drop it. And you drop it without gving any reasons. Thats fuckn scummy and you know it. Show nested quote + Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game.
I think this is misleading information. I dont know much about your first scum game. But I know two things about your second scum game. (1) You were playing Mafia LIX as a mason simultaneously (2) You came in as a replacement for a false miller claim, and partnered with JX who was doing fuck all. I can see clear reasons for lack of motivation in your second scum game. Hence, I dont know what to expect of you via scum meta, and instead choose to judge by what actions in your filter. Show nested quote +Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that. We're all putting in effort and figuring things out yam; dont get on a high horse like your shit doesnt stink. Stop being dumb, jay made no "counter-case". He's just a sheep of Palmar. I am realizing this as I go along. You need to get out of your confirmation bias and do something productive besides argue with people endlessly this game. Your amount of analysis is pathetically low in this post.
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This is obviously not a productive, scumhunting environment.
I'll be back tomorrow when all of you are gone so I can get something done ITT.
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I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me, which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts.
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Stop talking about bussing, it's extremely unproductive.
Oats, your vote on me contains zero justification. I think my gutshot scumread on you is stronger than before because of this.
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On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote: I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ READ MY POSTS WHERE I NAME CC AND OATS AS MAFIA
Jesus, you're almost as bad as Mocsta.
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On February 12 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote: lol almost.. nice name throw yamato
jay.. you need to take a step back, your getting way too heated
oats thrives on these confrontations; let it go (for the time being)
yam is intentionally baiting you now; just take a breather pls I'm not "intentionally baiting" anyone.
You guys are accusing me of points I have already addressed or things that are simply untrue.
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On February 12 2013 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck, Jay doesnt know how to play. Shit. We are doomed !!!!
Jay, just because 2 of your scumreads call each other scum, doesnt mean that they are bussing each other because NONE OF THE FLIPPED YET. There is an element of trickery in bussing your scummate because you want to be able to back off if you feel that it is scummy, and push him when you feel that it makes you look townier. Explain how VE calling Prp scum, is VE bussing Prp. Stop.
Talking.
About.
Bussing.
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On February 12 2013 13:33 jaybrundage wrote: Yamato do you have a town read on VE. Also why do you have a town read on VE I haven't even had time to filter him yet because all I've done since opening the thread is defend myself from these attacks.
Do you understand how this makes me frustrated? It's a waste of time for me to do this, because as town my job is to FIND MAFIA. But if you guys are trying to lynch me, I better make sure that doesn't happen.
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On February 12 2013 13:35 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:34 yamato77 wrote:On February 12 2013 13:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck, Jay doesnt know how to play. Shit. We are doomed !!!!
Jay, just because 2 of your scumreads call each other scum, doesnt mean that they are bussing each other because NONE OF THE FLIPPED YET. There is an element of trickery in bussing your scummate because you want to be able to back off if you feel that it is scummy, and push him when you feel that it makes you look townier. Explain how VE calling Prp scum, is VE bussing Prp. Stop. Talking. About. Bussing. What is the point of this post? Bussing happens why do you refuse to acknowledge it. Because you're making stupid association cases before the flip.
It's incredibly wasteful discussion.
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On February 12 2013 13:36 jaybrundage wrote: Yamato why am i not scum Because scum jay wouldn't openly sheep Palmar.
Scum jay barely even had reads to begin with, not even sheep reads.
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On February 12 2013 13:36 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:31 yamato77 wrote: You guys are accusing me of points I have already addressed or things that are simply untrue. Umm .. no I am accusing you of not addressing things directed your way. and by all fuck am I NOT going to link those posts to you. Then instead of addressing your critics, you sling shit everywhere and go ultra-derogatory. Sorry yam; are you genuinely telling me that is pro-town yamato behaviour? I dont recall you asking like this in your mason game in mafia LIX, and I had you as a town read pretty early on. Fact is, yamato scum is NOT afraid to bus (that is clear from Normal Mini 4, where you bussed JX pretty much immediately) ARE YOU READING?!?!?!?!!?
On February 12 2013 12:02 yamato77 wrote: What would you say the main points against me are?
I don't spend a lot of time caring about defending myself. Whoopie. I never do. You're not going to lynch me for that.
I think about other people's reads when considering the lynch candidacy of one of my reads. Who doesn't? If I only push one scum read a day and don't consider other people who are also scummy that other people want to lynch, what good does that do for town?
I only have scum reads on "lurkers". Not true. Activity level is a part of people's general meta, but my case on Snarfs includes the fact that his activity shows a disinterest in the affairs of town, espcially on day 2, which I think is obviously scummy when you consider the possibility of three town players being up for the lynch, as I outlined earlier. I'm not lynching them for not posting, I'm lynching them because their inactivity is INDICATIVE of a MAFIA MENTALITY.
Jay I am losing interest in as a candidate. I can understand how people MIGHT view some of the things I do as scummy, or bandwagony. When I look at who I want to lynch, I first consider my own reads, and then the reads of people that I think are town. If there's a correlation, then it becomes obvious to me that I should push that read as the lynch. If you think this is mafia mentality, then I guess I'll only ever disagree with town and never agree to lynching someone other people want to lynch. Hipster-town-mode ENGAGED.
Furthermore, if people think this is how I play as mafia, they are sorely mistaken. I don't give a shit about anything as mafia. Look at my two mafia games. Do I make analysis posts? Do I make towncases? Do I change my reads? No. Have I done that this game? Yes. Any perceived change from my town meta is a POSITIVE one, in that I'm not picking stupid fights, not arguing with my scum reads, and not tunneling one player endlessly. If you guys lynch me for that, I quit this game.
Yes, I take this seriously. It frustrates the shit out of me this game that I am being discussed as a lynch candidate. I am putting in more effort than most of you this game in figuring out what's going on, and you are all listening to Palmar, who wasn't even fucking playing the damn game. Fuck that.
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On February 12 2013 13:44 Mocsta wrote: yep I read that.. and its a politician speech
what did you actually address that was your way
fuck all man
u just did a summary "im teflon" speech You can't read.
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On February 12 2013 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:On February 12 2013 13:36 jaybrundage wrote: Yamato why am i not scum Because scum jay wouldn't openly sheep Palmar. Scum jay barely even had reads to begin with, not even sheep reads. If Palmar has bad reads why wouldn't i sheep them as scum. @Oats I fail to see what you are trying to do. Scum jay wouldn't admit to sheeping, because it draws attention to the fact that he's not making independent analysis. Town jay doesn't care, and often gets lynched for saying scummy things like that.
Why are you arguing with me about this? Mocsta's dumb argument that I "give up" my scum reads is blatantly false. Plenty of people opposed my opinion on JX, on Prplhz, on YOU, on Palmar, etc., yet I persisted. Because I'm town, and confident in my reads, wrong or not.
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On February 12 2013 13:57 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:53 yamato77 wrote:On February 12 2013 13:50 jaybrundage wrote:On February 12 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:On February 12 2013 13:36 jaybrundage wrote: Yamato why am i not scum Because scum jay wouldn't openly sheep Palmar. Scum jay barely even had reads to begin with, not even sheep reads. If Palmar has bad reads why wouldn't i sheep them as scum. @Oats I fail to see what you are trying to do. Scum jay wouldn't admit to sheeping, because it draws attention to the fact that he's not making independent analysis. Town jay doesn't care, and often gets lynched for saying scummy things like that. Why are you arguing with me about this? Mocsta's dumb argument that I "give up" my scum reads is blatantly false. Plenty of people opposed my opinion on JX, on Prplhz, on YOU, on Palmar, etc., yet I persisted. Because I'm town, and confident in my reads, wrong or not. I am not sure what your talking about; I dont recall building a case on you as the points were already highlighted by others. What I have requested is you address the points; you refuse to. each and every time. That summary post of yours, is not how to make a defense (if your serious about being town) if you are the vote leader (which either you are, or pretty fuckn close) I did address them. If you can't read that post and understand how the arguments I outlined there are false, you have comprehension problems, and I can't help that.
Go away.
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Furthermore, I just addressed another point against me in that post you quoted there.
FUNNY HOW THAT WORKS
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Oats why don't you want to kill Snarfs with me?
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Jay, that goes for you, too.
You say you don't want to lynch Snarfs. why?
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So, Snarfs is not a good lynch because you're making association cases again?
I need better than that.
What about his play suggests town to you at all? He's tunneled VE all game and done shit else.
If the problem is that you view VE as mafia, I can address the points Sloosh raises against him some time tomorrow, but I want you to filter Snarfs and think about his alignment first.
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