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On February 07 2013 22:39 prplhz wrote:
But if it was a pressure vote then why didn't jaybrundage react in any way when the pressure "succeeded"? jaybrundage just said "maybe djo is just fucking around" and that's all he's said and done about it since his big case. I don't like that.
If you look @ Jay last post; its before Djo "conceded"
That might explain the lack of a follow up response?
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On February 07 2013 22:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah JX seems to be trolling,
However,
WHICH SCUMMY LURKER DO WE LYNCH?
Im not down with prp lynch by the way, I dont think he is scum.
Im not going to ask for why you think prplhz is not scum; as I would still prefer if *he* addresses my points first.
Now, scummy lurker, I assume we talking about palmar or JX.
Do you include Snarfs in this spectrum?
If just Palmar/JX for you.. JX is the common link and I could swing his way. Hes 50/50 (Shared with prplhz)
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K. Thanks for the read Phagga; I agree some points may have been influenced by knowledge post-event; but its good to know others smell something funny here as well.
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Overall, Im happy to consolidate on JX.
If he is town, hes going to be useless for this game, and scum will never put him up for nomination mechanic.
If scum, obviously a good thing.
Seems like win-win to me
##unvote
##Vote: JieXian
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On February 07 2013 23:13 prplhz wrote:
I agree with Oatsmaster that JieXian doesn't look scum so I don't want to vote for him. He looks like a guy who isn't around and his activity so far doesn't spell out scum to me.
@Mocsta Could you please link the post you're talking about instead of saying "Yea, but what about that jaybrundage post, huh?" because I literally haven't a clue what you're talking about. I'm also going to have a really hard time arguing with someone who says that he doesn't think someone else is scum because they were scum last game. That's unsound in all ways imaginable.
JimiHendrix, are you reading the thread?
Oats consolidated on JX already.
I dunno what jay post your talking about, I assume you referencing his last post? If so, its not hard to go through a filter to the end, but to save you the trouble
(1) Last pressure on Djo @ 13:51
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:@Djo Your missing what i mean althought i may have mis-stated it. I still don't think it was a random lynch. I think you arbitrary decided to use some bullshit reason to make it random. That you would select his post count to make it "random" when you already math'd it out. I think your assertion that it was random is bullshit. Also refering to this post. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:On February 06 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why we dont use random lynching is cause no useful discussion happens. As it stands, less then half the players have posted so far. Palmer. Hi. Is not acceptable for day 1. Please elaborate. This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3. This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1. So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion.## Vote Oats
(2) Jay Last post @ 13:55
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 13:55 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back and reading. Are we lynching Palmar yet?
No
(3) Djo admits RNG was not a good idea but had to follow through regardless @ 14:06
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[QUOTE]On February 07 2013 14:06 Djodref wrote:
ahhh, ok, I see what you mean now. No, I did the math while writing the post. I didn't want to discuss about Oats when he prompted me for it because I didn't want to lynch him anymore at that point but I didn't want to admit that my random pick was bad yet.
And the two scum rolls in a row, was a joke... im saying I dont have any town read on you what so ever.
Perhaps if you entered discourse and tackled my points, my read would sway but for the time being its "probably scum"
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On February 08 2013 00:12 prplhz wrote:Snarfs is talking about this game.
Well now that we know you are alive and up to date again.
Is there a particular reason you are making these 'contributions', but then avoid discourse with what I have raised to you?
Let me summarise for you what I would like discourse over.
@prplhz
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I want to know why JX isnt scummy to you. Your a vet, please share the insight im missing here.
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I want to know why you are buddying up so hard with Sl0osh
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I want to know why you tried to intimidate Yamato to giving out his town tells on Phagga; there were many methods to approach the situation, I would like to know why you favoured this particular solution to the problem at hand.
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You mentioned: Oats shows "fervor and insight". Please expound on this "insight" you refer to.
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On February 08 2013 00:33 prplhz wrote:I'm not buddying up with anybody, I'm just not the kind of guy who asks people to leave the game because they're horrible at it. I think that's rude and worse than that; it's counterproductive. I wanted to know the answer from yamato77 just as much as slOosh and I didn't want to give him time to think and I wanted to put him under a lot of pressure so that's exactly what I did. Oatsmaster showed some insight in the game in posts like this and this, both made me think about implications of scum not having nighitkills and shows that he put some thought into this game.
Thanks for continuing the conversation.
I noticed you avoided discussing JX, any particular reason?
I can accept the rational with Yamato, that was my impression too (when I first read it).
My buddying comment was relating to this:
On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh.
Lastly, whether you realise it or not (i bet you do)... your first sentence is completely ad-hominem.
Dont go acting like your shit doesnt stink; mafia is a game that can get heated, and many games have had people say much worse things than the banter between oats and myself.
If you want a recent example, why dont you look @ SuckMyDeck in the MTG Mini.
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On February 08 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote:
I'm pretty confident in these four as mafia after reading this page:
Snarfs
Lynch JX today, see which of them pop up tomorrow, if any, and go from there. Should be easy to lynch down this list and win.
Everyone else has given me good reason to think them town, either through meta, activity, or simply giving a shit about what is going on today. Snarf's read in VE is an excuse to not comment on anything else except giving a really silly defense of Palmar when Palmar has only a couple votes at most.
Yeah, I was null on Snarfs before, not so sure anymore after reading the game he talked about. I need to hear out this case.
So far from "Wheel of Fortune" I am not seeing the meta-read;but Snarfs knows him better than I do, so will give it a non-biased read.
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If I counted correctly, we have 4 votes on JX
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On February 08 2013 00:49 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta, you've been arguing with people this whole game on various tangents.
Let me know, concisely, why you think prpl is mafia. I don't think he is and I'll be glad to show why, but first I want you to explain it in short form, just the outline reasons.
On my matrix, prplhz is leaning scum.
In short:- He has a large enough post count to have pushed an agenda. So far, we only know who his town reads are.
- By corollary, who are his scum reads? I dont know and have not asked the question because others have already directed this at him (e.g. VE) - I am still waiting for him to share.
- His reasoning for interjecting when Oats/myself were feuding. Originally I thought he took a town approach, but with hindsight; I interpret the "activity" comments/rational as a strange mechanism to use. One I dont think is a townies first instinct to dish out.
- When he pressured you, there was a very strange tense of English. I dont consider "slips" as a reason to build a case, but, in context the comment is very odd.
These comments are mainly from: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=23#459 at the bottom.
I dont think the above makes him probably scum, but i think some of the characteristics are enough to take him out of null territory into leaning scum.
I am keen to hear your insight into this though. Please share.
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On February 08 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote:
I didn't want to talk a lot about JieXian because I wanted to see if he showed up on his own. He has posted around this time (actually a couple hours later) before in this game so I thought I'd not comment on him to see if he showed up again. If he didn't then I would be pretty sure that he was actually just not here which doesn't say much about his alignment. Of course this gamble doesn't work if I talk about it in the thread. Anyway, now that he's here he needs to start fending for himself since he apparently has four votes on him.
I can understand that reasoning too.
I didnt get to see much of you in Mafia LIX. => I know nothing of you.
Are you an active engager, or active listener? or <insert other>
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On February 08 2013 01:11 yamato77 wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter? Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game. Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm on page 15 and scrolling down and seeing who is discussing I just want to say something really quick.
Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed.
Alright going to read page 15 now.
But seriously, quit it and do something else. This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 04:39 prplhz wrote:On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town?
Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please. This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green.
Im actually not sure what to do here. I dont want to take the priority off JX, so its prob not worth going into detail with this.
Look thanks for sharing your POV. Its good to know we talking about the same two points (feud interjection and yamato intimidation for town tell). - I dont agree fully with your assessment BUT.
Either way, I dont see value taking this any further.
prplhz is not up for lynch tonight. JX is.
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On February 08 2013 01:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mocsta, if you say that prp has posted enough to push an agenda, what is that agenda?
i said he has posted enough he *could* have pushed an agenda.
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On February 08 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like everyone in the game except palmer. What.
Are you going to kick start the 1 line posts to me again. I told you before, shit questions = shit answers.
Ask a question asking directly what you want an answer to, and I will oblige.
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On February 08 2013 01:35 yamato77 wrote:
Oats, I know you think Snarf is mafia and all, and I agree on a certain level, but is he really a better lynch than JX today?
I have a different problem.
I listed before I thought either prplhz or palmar was mafia, as I doubt palmar vote on prplhz is a bus.
I checked the Mafia LIX game, and yes I concede the posts are radically different. I still have issues with some of his play this game (specifically lack of information sharing) butwilling to put prplhz as null for now
What im getting at is; if prplhz is null/town; and palmar is pushing his vote; perhaps palmar should be the candidate... thoughts?
i.e. if palmar is of the value everyone is proposing, he should have got prplhz was town via meta like all you guys... that he didnt, is perhaps a concern?
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On February 08 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth? I heard somewhere that he is this amazing entity that has the propensity to catch scum lurking within the shadows. Let's say JX and Palmar are both town. Both are lurky / useless / kind of the same thing right meow. Who would you rather lose? JX. If Palmar is still being useless as all hell we can deal with him later. But if he's town It would be a huge detriment to lose him.
Agreed. but this game doesnt have night kill
and with nomination mechanic, we never have to vote him.
to me thats better than having bodyguards as mayor; he coudl be the most pro-town motherfucker ever and not have to worry about being lynch.
Why isnt he doing this?
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On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight).
This doesnt make sense to me.
What changes tomorow that makes Palmar useful all of a sudden?
If your referring to nomination, why are you so sure he will get put up. Its all WIFOM, so im surprised the stance is so firm.
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On February 08 2013 01:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:39 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:35 yamato77 wrote:
Oats, I know you think Snarf is mafia and all, and I agree on a certain level, but is he really a better lynch than JX today? I have a different problem. I listed before I thought either prplhz or palmar was mafia, as I doubt palmar vote on prplhz is a bus. I checked the Mafia LIX game, and yes I concede the posts are radically different. I still have issues with some of his play this game (specifically lack of information sharing) butwilling to put prplhz as null for now What im getting at is; if prplhz is null/town; and palmar is pushing his vote; perhaps palmar should be the candidate... thoughts? i.e. if palmar is of the value everyone is proposing, he should have got prplhz was town via meta like all you guys... that he didnt, is perhaps a concern? Yeah, that's a concern. That and the fact that he gave no justification for his lynch. Would you like to lynch Palmar with me, Mocsta ?
Welcome.. 1am for you too?
Fuck it, yes
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
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On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me.
Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down.
In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him.
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On February 08 2013 01:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:45 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head. On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight). "Little justification" says the guy with a gut read on oats... On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
JX, your scumread on Mocsta was pretty fail. Yes I have a gut townread, but it's not the only thing I'm doing today. All I've seen from you is Mocsta scum gogo 2 lines kill this guy. And then trying to fling shit at djo/oats/snarfs to see where it will stick. You are incredibly wish-washy to say the least. Still waiting for snarfs case to decide if he's worthy to live today.
he took this approach as scum in normal mini 4 as well
(flung shit every where)
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On February 08 2013 01:46 yamato77 wrote:
Hold on guys.
Why are people switching off JX?
I need to know why he's not dying if people want to lynch other people.
Answer:
On February 08 2013 01:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:35 yamato77 wrote:
Oats, I know you think Snarf is mafia and all, and I agree on a certain level, but is he really a better lynch than JX today? I have a different problem. I listed before I thought either prplhz or palmar was mafia, as I doubt palmar vote on prplhz is a bus. I checked the Mafia LIX game, and yes I concede the posts are radically different. I still have issues with some of his play this game (specifically lack of information sharing) butwilling to put prplhz as null for now What im getting at is; if prplhz is null/town; and palmar is pushing his vote; perhaps palmar should be the candidate... thoughts? i.e. if palmar is of the value everyone is proposing, he should have got prplhz was town via meta like all you guys... that he didnt, is perhaps a concern?
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On February 08 2013 01:41 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth? I heard somewhere that he is this amazing entity that has the propensity to catch scum lurking within the shadows. Let's say JX and Palmar are both town. Both are lurky / useless / kind of the same thing right meow. Who would you rather lose? JX. If Palmar is still being useless as all hell we can deal with him later. But if he's town It would be a huge detriment to lose him. Agreed. but this game doesnt have night kill and with nomination mechanic, we never have to vote him.to me thats better than having bodyguards as mayor; he coudl be the most pro-town motherfucker ever and not have to worry about being lynch. Why isnt he doing this?
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On February 08 2013 01:56 yamato77 wrote:
If you think JX might be mafia at all, you should not want to lynch Palmar with him. JX should die before we even think about killing Palmar on day 1. Yes, he's a good lynch. No, he's not better than JX.
I know thats my confusion.
Your meant to lynch the highest chance to flip.
Palmar is more based on educated assumption
JX is definitely scum now that he has increased his activity.
It reminds me of exactly before I nailed him in Normal Mini 4.
The question is: if we both knew palmar + JX would flip red; you would lynch palmar right?
If so, do you see enough points of doubt in the commentary I gave "against" Palmar?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=29#576
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