I asked Toad about how he rolled the set-up and he said he couldn't tell me so all of this is pretty silly, however I'm a sucker for speculation so here goes:

Yamato claimed miller [M]
Djo claimed Vig [V]
Vivax claimed cop [C] (theoretically if he is multi shot cop this is CC but I'm sticking to one C for now)

Thrawn flipped Roleblocker which means 4T maximum.

If no other blues exist this means in a normal C9++ setup we'd have two goons and no sk. However Toad has not created a totally normal c9++ so draw your own conclusions.

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:27 GMT

#1202

wait wtf Vivax claimed cop?!

the fuck is this game lol

iamperfection

United States9639 Posts

January 29 2013 23:28 GMT

#1203

On January 30 2013 08:21 jaybrundage wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yea this makes sense. But Im curious about the set up with this many town roles. Can someone put up a post explaining the possible roles with what we have so far.

On the bright side with all these blues we narrow down whos scum by alot :3

Imma go read JX's filter.

Iamp given the recent green check whats your thoughts other scum options. If we could figure out the set up if Vivax decides to tell us what cop he is. Then it opens us up to figuring out if there could be a gf.

i just said jx he aint doing shit and it looks like all he planed on doing was omgus the cop this cycle.

Vivax

21769 Posts

January 29 2013 23:30 GMT

#1204

I'd keep it simple and bold and say they have a godfather and a goon left, decent chance of there being a SK since this setup looks similar to YANMM.

If the SK is smart he might have withheld last night's shot, so Djo gets lynched after the next one.
We might be heading towards some trouble.

Vivax

21769 Posts

January 29 2013 23:31 GMT

#1205

Is there a site where I can speculate about this setup? Couldn't find anything by googling.

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:33 GMT

#1206

I'm going to assume Toad is dumb and rolled a setup without jailkeepers/medics.

1. He refers to jailkeepers in the OP but lists medics instead

2. He refers multiple times to RBs done by jailkeepers, but again, #1.

3. There were no RBs n1.

If he did indeed want medics then the balance of the setup might be a little bit off but we'll see, that's really only relevant postgame.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 29 2013 23:33 GMT

#1207

On January 28 2013 18:56 Promethelax wrote:
I don't disagree about shar, I simply think we need to make djo confirm and pin down his target to us as a whole so that he cannot, tomorrow, say 'oh yeah I shot X instead of Y' in case of fake claims/djo scum/whatever. Djo needs to use his shot like a lynch since he had the stupidity (if town) to claim during night. Djo doesn't get to use his shot how he wants to, he gets to hit the guy most people think is scum. That guy is Ghost. Or at least Supersoft/VE/me all had him as scum and there aren't many others whose opinions I'd listen to in this game.

+ Show Spoiler [c9++ for JX] +

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B

VE: look who that idea exonerates: Shar, Ghost and Hapa. Shar has a town read on ghost and is therefore a wonderful lynch candidate tomorrow. Ghost needs to be shot tonight though.

inside the spoiler labeled: c9++ for JX

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:34 GMT

#1208

there's a C9++ wiki page on mafiascum but it's not going to be that useful I don't think.

Your claim was dumb btw, possibly even dumber than Djo's.

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:35 GMT

#1209

can we policy lynch vivax for this?

I'd really love that

Vivax

21769 Posts

January 29 2013 23:36 GMT

#1210

It wasn't, but you won't know all the reasons until postgame.

Looked like town was rolling towards a xsksc lynch.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 29 2013 23:37 GMT

#1211

We all wish we could policy lynch for bad claims. Think it thourgh though bugs, there is one way this isn't a bad claim. I'm working under that assumption.

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:40 GMT

#1212

whatever, I'm not going to argue about this shit because Vivax suffers from illusory superiority. Either it was a bad claim or something happened between host and player that makes this stuff irrelevant.

Vivax

21769 Posts

January 29 2013 23:42 GMT

#1213

Yeah, there are a lot of questions you/supersoft didn't really answer yet.

You had JX and xsksc as not likely to be scum last time I think. SS put them as null.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

January 29 2013 23:43 GMT

#1214

No, bugs, you aren't thinking. You are letting your anger at his play cloud your analytical skills. I can't spell it out for you because if I am right revealing it in thread is bad. Just sit back and think for a second before you get mad. Vivax's inflated sense of self-worth not withstanding there is a good reason for anyone to have claimed the way he did. Think about his role, his abilities and his check.

I'm not comfortable policy lynching him when there is a good (read:townie) explanation for his claim. Djo's is still worse.

jaybrundage

United States3921 Posts

January 29 2013 23:51 GMT

#1215

Ok after rereading Sharrant I still want him to post more but. My vote is gonna go on JieXian as he has also been lurking a bit and his post dont have much clear thoughts he just seems to be trying to from opinions and stumbles alot.

##UnVote
##Vote JieXian

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:53 GMT

#1216

On January 30 2013 08:42 Vivax wrote:
Yeah, there are a lot of questions you/supersoft didn't really answer yet.

You had JX and xsksc as not likely to be scum last time I think. SS put them as null.

I haven't responded for my reads because they're changing pretty rapidly and also I don't really have the time to explain them as much.

I'm confident in whatever super has said, as I agree with most (read: not all) of what he thinks.

For example I made an off-hand remark about VE + djo + ghost being scum before I reread following the thrawn flip. I didn't explain that very much and I probably could have, but actually within a few hours (even before the djo claim) my reads had changed.

I think Sharrant, for example, deserves more attention than he is receiving now. We also can't rule out Hapa/jay nor marv/yamato.

Hapa was excited to start the game (as town) and then disappeared. That in itself is particularly weird but his post structure and the way he communicated his reads seemed very similar to how he did so from Dessert.

I was between Sharrant and VE for another scum. I've already briefly stated my thoughts on him in a previous post somewhere.

Anyway, the claim is bad. Period. xsksc was not going to get lynched today I'm pretty sure. I would have defended him, for one. I haven't read the entire thread but I did not feel like he was under heavy pressure, and it's barely 24 hours into the day anyway (if I'm not mistaken) Obviously it doesn't make it a scum claim, and I agree that djo's claim is worse, but it's actually rather annoying that these types of things keep happening game after game.

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 29 2013 23:54 GMT

#1217

On January 30 2013 08:51 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok after rereading Sharrant I still want him to post more but. My vote is gonna go on JieXian as he has also been lurking a bit and his post dont have much clear thoughts he just seems to be trying to from opinions and stumbles alot.

##UnVote
##Vote JieXian

This, right here:

given your play in Dessert this post just caused your name to be colored in a darker shade of red for me.

EmileZola

France202 Posts

January 30 2013 00:03 GMT

#1218

also, think about what happened d1 and n1.

Firstly, I do not believe that scum would openly bus their roleblocker given that VE flipped town.

The only players who were not voting thrawn:

thrawn himself
Djodref, who cannot be on the scumteam
ghost, who flipped town
Sharrant.
Hapa (didn't vote)

It is possible that yamato is scum and marv made the miller claim as a calculated risk. I somehow doubt that though, as it involves some complicated assumptions and it's not that reliable. Djo is either SK or vig and we can ignore him for the purpose of what I am trying to illustrate here.

jaybrundage

United States3921 Posts

January 30 2013 00:03 GMT

#1219

On January 30 2013 08:54 EmileZola wrote:

Show nested quote +

This, right here:

given your play in Dessert this post just caused your name to be colored in a darker shade of red for me.

I should be worried you have a bad habit of lynching townies

Vivax

21769 Posts

January 30 2013 00:04 GMT

#1220

Well claiming to save a guy from getting lynched just before he truly gets lynched usually gets the guy still lynched cause people want to see if the claim is true. You got to stop the bandwagon before it gains steam.

To be honest I didn't want to believe my check. I was believing I hit the godfather initially. But got to go with what one gets.