• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:58
CEST 23:58
KST 06:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202534Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup Weeklies and Monthlies Info Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 572 users

Normal Mini Mafia IV - Page 3

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 01 2013 17:07 GMT
#2016
Prome.. im not trying to make associations here; im just trying to create some discussion.

If Yamato is scum, and im cleared as VT for the 2nd time in the game (DT check + your role setup above)

Are you preferring JX or iamp as 2nd scum?

(i know previously you said order is yam > jx > me); but knowing im green may have changed that equation.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 01 2013 17:20 GMT
#2020
Djo.

Gotcha; 25% is relatively safe.
With that type of probability I will mention some WIFOM that was previously raised (without as much context)

[When this game started Marv was already mayor in Mafia LIX.] - new context

I dunno about you, but if I was mayor I would want to keep playing that game to 100% capabilities (esp. if also playing Mafia: MTG).

I can see 25% chance of counter, being a scum gambit to go into late game, with minimal effort.



I understand the above is pure WIFOM and isnt a reason to vote Yamato (thats based on his very scummy play).
I was just commenting that it makes sense for the claim from a scum POV too.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 01 2013 17:31 GMT
#2024
im going to bed too

its saturday today; so prob wont be back for 12-18hrs. Either way, im happy consolidating on Yamato.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 01:43 GMT
#2041
On February 02 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote:
I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared.


My thoughts after reading the overnight interplay between: Yamato & Prome/iamp.
[list[
[*] It would have been ad-hominem if Yamato actually presented an argument - however he didn't so it was pure insults.

[*] At first I was scared too, but the Prome/iamp insults of Yamato read almost as if a planned tag team.
[*] However, when I think about it, if Yamato was town, wouldnt he be trying his best to prove his innocence? Wouldnt he be trying his best to explain those Day2 lynch actions. Wouldnt he be trying his best to aid town scumhunt by building a case to his scum target.[/list]


My only concern for Yamato (and this applies to any lynch candidate today) is,
if SK is alive I think we are in MYLO.

Gotta go.



Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 09:45 GMT
#2051
On February 02 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote:
I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared.

On February 02 2013 10:43 Mocsta wrote:
My thoughts after reading the overnight interplay between: Yamato & Prome/iamp.
  • It would have been ad-hominem if Yamato actually presented an argument - however he didn't so it was pure insults.

  • At first I was scared too, but the Prome/iamp insults of Yamato read almost as if a planned tag team.

  • However, when I think about it, if Yamato was town, wouldnt he be trying his best to prove his innocence? Wouldnt he be trying his best to explain those Day2 lynch actions. Wouldnt he be trying his best to aid town scumhunt by building a case to his scum target.

My only concern for Yamato (and this applies to any lynch candidate today) is,
if SK is alive I think we are in MYLO.

Gotta go.

On February 02 2013 12:32 iamperfection wrote:
Your not thinking very hard me and prom didn't plan that exchange since we know prom isn't mafia.

why.aren't you using critical thinking tools?

This is just an outright fuckn weird post.

So Prome is not mafia; hence you couldnt plan that exchange? Where the fuck does that leave you?

Very oddly phrased reference to scum QT, and I am genuinely surprised Vivax is not all over that as a massive scum slip.

P.S. I actually said "read almost as if a planned tag team". Quite an over reaction from you iamperfection.


Im still consolidating on Yamato, but its a fuckn weird post regardless.

Why aren't you using critical thinking tools?
Please enlighten me on what you think I should be doing?

I think it is valid to scrutinise this lynch based on a present SK creating a MYLO situation (Due to numerical advantages evaporating).
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 09:46 GMT
#2052
On February 02 2013 18:26 Djodref wrote:
@ JieXian

Would you oppose a mass claim ?


Why should a mass claim actually mean anything.

There has been so much setup speculation, its easy to lead town up the garden path and then swallow the "Red" pill.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 09:47 GMT
#2053
On February 02 2013 17:17 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 01:35 Mocsta wrote:
On February 02 2013 01:31 JieXian wrote:
On February 02 2013 01:19 Mocsta wrote:
On February 02 2013 01:17 JieXian wrote:
Besides, I now have stronger reads on Djo and mocha

Djo is most definitely NOT sk


its mocsta.

Why is Djo not SK? dont just make a rhetoric, add fact and logic.


He was obviously paying a lot of attention to the game, making his reads, making sure town do the right thing, etc.

If he's SK he's playing well


However I cannot say the same for Djo as I did with Vivax because Djo does play well, but I'm sticking to my current read until things change.


On February 02 2013 00:02 JieXian wrote:
I stopped Djo from shooting my null and town reads. Djo's targets are dead and they all flipped town.


???

So your idea of town doing the right thing is... having targets flip town?


I believe he made an honest mistake with ghost


K, Ghost agreed. What of the others.. *all flipped town* infers multiple people.. Do you think they were honest mistakes as well?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 10:06 GMT
#2056
On February 02 2013 01:39 Mocsta wrote:
May I ask why iamp is your most confirmed town read?

Is this your sole reason?
On January 29 2013 12:31 yamato77 wrote:
Yes, iamp, I totally want to sheep your opinion of people based on who annoys you in the game.
On January 29 2013 12:45 iamperfection wrote:
you do realize thrawn annoyed me the most so thats why i killed him right[/hr]

On January 30 2013 19:23 JieXian wrote:
Iamp, looks like town to me, I've never played with him before but he also posts the same way in Cheesecake, lots of 1-2 liners.

What stand out is his tunnel on thrawn D1 followed by this post

He's not even trying to claim townie credits were he scum, for bussing thrawn.[/hr]

Or has your read developed further as the game progressed?

On February 02 2013 17:24 JieXian wrote:
That was the most telling one. I can't find anything nearly as strong to argue for xsk or yamato. I mean they were basically not around at all


@JieXian
This is my interpretation of how the Thrawn lynch initiated (if you want to take iamp as the catalyst) - technically EZ voted first.
On February 01 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:

iamperfection
I didnt read too much into initiating the Thrawn bandwagon either. I think it started off as a light comment, and then due to continued inactivity, became the bandwagon it did.

Do you think otherwise?
You were in the moment, I wasn't; perhaps it felt like he was a genuine catalyst as opposed to being cheeky; perhaps that why you were the first to join the vote.

If it was a light comment that then turned into a lynch:
  • can you see reasons for iamp not to try and soak town cred?

  • If Thrawn is useless scum as others have pointed out; can you see reasons for iamp to be "annoyed" at him?

  • Do you think killing annoying townies = scum hunting? If so, why isnt Vivax lynched?

Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 10:11 GMT
#2057
On February 02 2013 18:55 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2013 18:46 Mocsta wrote:
On February 02 2013 18:26 Djodref wrote:
@ JieXian

Would you oppose a mass claim ?


Why should a mass claim actually mean anything.

There has been so much setup speculation, its easy to lead town up the garden path and then swallow the "Red" pill.


I want to know for sure if we have a GF or a SK. And I doubt that would be the case if everybody claims VT.
It could definitively clean you for example ^^


Im not interested in being cleared by setup speculation. So thanks but no thanks.

Anyways, whats stopping anyone that is unconfirmed (e.g iamperfection) from claiming VT; you then think there is no SK; but in fact he is SK (i used this as an example.. im not inferring he is SK)

Unless you have been bullshitting something in the setup speculation to try and catch someone somewhere, I see this campaign by you as fruitless and non-committed attempts to scum hunt.



As an aside; I am used to seeing well constructed cases by you, both aesthetic and meaningful.

This game seems different, the case(s) were list heavy, points not extrapolated; if anything, a general lack of care.
In fact, I am not even sure if the cases you have shared meet your definition of a case, as detailed to xsksc.
Do you disagree?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 10:40 GMT
#2063
Thats how Im leaning too.

Going out for dinner, c u @ lynch deadline.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 15:38 GMT
#2071
On February 02 2013 21:33 iamperfection wrote:
Im vt

On February 01 2013 00:05 iamperfection wrote:
i can do whatever i want prom I'm the nerfed innocent child remember,


Can someone fill me on in the joke here? Whats a nerfed IC?

Isnt IC miller?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 02 2013 17:14 GMT
#2076
[fluff]
im really struggling to follow
from MafiaWiki
"An Innocent Child is a player who is mod-confirmed as Town-aligned at the start of the game. "

Is the joke that your town play is like IC (i.e. sarcasm)

Or is the joke, the reference in general to Prom?

(I ask, because for whatever reason no one corrected my IC -> Miller misunderstanding)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2013 01:41 GMT
#2105
nerfed town.. ahh got you.

translation:

Mocsta = replacement; Im an instant nerf in any game
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2013 01:45 GMT
#2106
Good job guys with Yam all;

Any point declaring DAy4 lynch candidates? or just wait and see if SK arises, and trust whoever is left can figure out the perfect plan?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2013 05:47 GMT
#2109
hmm its very disconcerting JX has been as present as Yamato's defense.

Just when I was starting to feel better about him too.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2013 23:14 GMT
#2123
?deadline?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2013 23:40 GMT
#2128
Interesting.

Was not expecting that.

hmm mafia kp hit bp sk.. Or no kp used?

I thought sk woulda shot to gain numbets advantage so leaning towards no shot to feign hitting sk
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 03 2013 23:55 GMT
#2131
Considering Toad said, town is nerfed; I dont see how we could have a medic present. We already have potentially 2x 1-shot vig & 1x/2x 1-shot cop (if you decide to believe JX claim).

How does medic fit into that schema? + I thought medic would have made effort to save EZ (which wasnt the case).

Which is why im still leaning back to either
  • SK held back shot (if present) & mafia held back shot
  • SK held back shot (if present) & mafia hit 1-shot BP SK
  • No SK present & mafia held back shot (potentially to cause confusion OR feign shooting a 1-shot BP SK)
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2013 00:09 GMT
#2133
Now I haven't filter dived JX yet (at work, so will have to do it tonight); but, I had some problems with what he wrote.

Specifically if he was 1-shot cop that already used power, he is now a VT (a la Vivax); there is nothing to hide from claiming (esp. when requested by EZ) and later again by Djo.

Also
On February 04 2013 07:58 JieXian wrote:
Djo and Mochsta look like they
may very well lynch iamp and I'd still have a chance if I were to test my luck with that, especially with
the possibility of there being an SK

The phrasing of this is completely off. Town dont want a chance to test luck. They want to prove innocence.(e.g. look at my reaction when Djo trying to confirm me via setup speculation; "Thanks but no thanks"). This to me just stinks of scum.

So im sticking with JX being scum for this lynch.

If SK is present deal with it Day5.

##Vote: JieXian
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
February 04 2013 00:11 GMT
#2134
On February 04 2013 09:06 Vivax wrote:
If the last scum dies and we don't win then SK is confirmed.

Agreed. Im still leaning on JX as scum (as per post above)

Will do a filter dive tonight, but hopefully JX puts in more of an effort this cycle regardless.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 2m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 278
ProTech46
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 175
ggaemo 168
firebathero 147
Aegong 25
Dota 2
syndereN629
LuMiX2
League of Legends
Grubby4185
JimRising 379
Reynor102
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K725
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor291
Other Games
tarik_tv25372
gofns9590
summit1g9048
fl0m1151
Dendi477
shahzam392
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1353
BasetradeTV30
StarCraft 2
angryscii 25
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH191
• davetesta51
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 74
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22033
Other Games
• imaqtpie1284
• Shiphtur180
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 2m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
16h 2m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
18h 2m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 13h
OSC
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
HCC Europe
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.