Prome.. im not trying to make associations here; im just trying to create some discussion.

If Yamato is scum, and im cleared as VT for the 2nd time in the game (DT check + your role setup above)

Are you preferring JX or iamp as 2nd scum?

(i know previously you said order is yam > jx > me); but knowing im green may have changed that equation.

Mocsta

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February 01 2013 17:20 GMT

#2020

Djo.

Gotcha; 25% is relatively safe.
With that type of probability I will mention some WIFOM that was previously raised (without as much context)

[When this game started Marv was already mayor in Mafia LIX.] - new context

I dunno about you, but if I was mayor I would want to keep playing that game to 100% capabilities (esp. if also playing Mafia: MTG).

I can see 25% chance of counter, being a scum gambit to go into late game, with minimal effort.

I understand the above is pure WIFOM and isnt a reason to vote Yamato (thats based on his very scummy play).
I was just commenting that it makes sense for the claim from a scum POV too.

Mocsta

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February 01 2013 17:31 GMT

#2024

im going to bed too

its saturday today; so prob wont be back for 12-18hrs. Either way, im happy consolidating on Yamato.

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 01:43 GMT

#2041

On February 02 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote:
I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared.

My thoughts after reading the overnight interplay between: Yamato & Prome/iamp.
[list[
[*] It would have been ad-hominem if Yamato actually presented an argument - however he didn't so it was pure insults.

[*] At first I was scared too, but the Prome/iamp insults of Yamato read almost as if a planned tag team.
[*] However, when I think about it, if Yamato was town, wouldnt he be trying his best to prove his innocence? Wouldnt he be trying his best to explain those Day2 lynch actions. Wouldnt he be trying his best to aid town scumhunt by building a case to his scum target.[/list]

My only concern for Yamato (and this applies to any lynch candidate today) is,
if SK is alive I think we are in MYLO.

Gotta go.

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 09:45 GMT

#2051

On February 02 2013 08:53 Vivax wrote:
I'm sheeping then. Got to say I feel a little scared.

On February 02 2013 10:43 Mocsta wrote:
My thoughts after reading the overnight interplay between: Yamato & Prome/iamp.

It would have been ad-hominem if Yamato actually presented an argument - however he didn't so it was pure insults.
At first I was scared too, but the Prome/iamp insults of Yamato read almost as if a planned tag team.
However, when I think about it, if Yamato was town, wouldnt he be trying his best to prove his innocence? Wouldnt he be trying his best to explain those Day2 lynch actions. Wouldnt he be trying his best to aid town scumhunt by building a case to his scum target.

My only concern for Yamato (and this applies to any lynch candidate today) is,
if SK is alive I think we are in MYLO.

Gotta go.

On February 02 2013 12:32 iamperfection wrote:
Your not thinking very hard me and prom didn't plan that exchange since we know prom isn't mafia.

why.aren't you using critical thinking tools?

This is just an outright fuckn weird post.

So Prome is not mafia; hence you couldnt plan that exchange? Where the fuck does that leave you?

Very oddly phrased reference to scum QT, and I am genuinely surprised Vivax is not all over that as a massive scum slip.

P.S. I actually said "read almost as if a planned tag team". Quite an over reaction from you iamperfection.

Im still consolidating on Yamato, but its a fuckn weird post regardless.

Why aren't you using critical thinking tools?
Please enlighten me on what you think I should be doing?

I think it is valid to scrutinise this lynch based on a present SK creating a MYLO situation (Due to numerical advantages evaporating).

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 09:46 GMT

#2052

On February 02 2013 18:26 Djodref wrote:
@ JieXian

Would you oppose a mass claim ?

Why should a mass claim actually mean anything.

There has been so much setup speculation, its easy to lead town up the garden path and then swallow the "Red" pill.

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 09:47 GMT

#2053

On February 02 2013 17:17 JieXian wrote:

Show nested quote +

I believe he made an honest mistake with ghost

K, Ghost agreed. What of the others.. *all flipped town* infers multiple people.. Do you think they were honest mistakes as well?

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 10:06 GMT

#2056

On February 02 2013 01:39 Mocsta wrote:
May I ask why iamp is your most confirmed town read?

Is this your sole reason?

On January 29 2013 12:31 yamato77 wrote:
Yes, iamp, I totally want to sheep your opinion of people based on who annoys you in the game.

On January 29 2013 12:45 iamperfection wrote:
you do realize thrawn annoyed me the most so thats why i killed him right[/hr]

On January 30 2013 19:23 JieXian wrote:
Iamp, looks like town to me, I've never played with him before but he also posts the same way in Cheesecake, lots of 1-2 liners.

What stand out is his tunnel on thrawn D1 followed by this post

He's not even trying to claim townie credits were he scum, for bussing thrawn.[/hr]

Or has your read developed further as the game progressed?

On February 02 2013 17:24 JieXian wrote:
That was the most telling one. I can't find anything nearly as strong to argue for xsk or yamato. I mean they were basically not around at all

@JieXian
This is my interpretation of how the Thrawn lynch initiated (if you want to take iamp as the catalyst) - technically EZ voted first.

On February 01 2013 20:04 Mocsta wrote:

iamperfection
I didnt read too much into initiating the Thrawn bandwagon either. I think it started off as a light comment, and then due to continued inactivity, became the bandwagon it did.

Do you think otherwise?
You were in the moment, I wasn't; perhaps it felt like he was a genuine catalyst as opposed to being cheeky; perhaps that why you were the first to join the vote.

If it was a light comment that then turned into a lynch:

can you see reasons for iamp not to try and soak town cred?
If Thrawn is useless scum as others have pointed out; can you see reasons for iamp to be "annoyed" at him?
Do you think killing annoying townies = scum hunting? If so, why isnt Vivax lynched?

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 10:11 GMT

#2057

On February 02 2013 18:55 Djodref wrote:

Show nested quote +

I want to know for sure if we have a GF or a SK. And I doubt that would be the case if everybody claims VT.
It could definitively clean you for example ^^

Im not interested in being cleared by setup speculation. So thanks but no thanks.

Anyways, whats stopping anyone that is unconfirmed (e.g iamperfection) from claiming VT; you then think there is no SK; but in fact he is SK (i used this as an example.. im not inferring he is SK)

Unless you have been bullshitting something in the setup speculation to try and catch someone somewhere, I see this campaign by you as fruitless and non-committed attempts to scum hunt.

As an aside; I am used to seeing well constructed cases by you, both aesthetic and meaningful.

This game seems different, the case(s) were list heavy, points not extrapolated; if anything, a general lack of care.
In fact, I am not even sure if the cases you have shared meet your definition of a case, as detailed to xsksc.
Do you disagree?

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 10:40 GMT

#2063

Thats how Im leaning too.

Going out for dinner, c u @ lynch deadline.

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 15:38 GMT

#2071

On February 02 2013 21:33 iamperfection wrote:
Im vt

On February 01 2013 00:05 iamperfection wrote:
i can do whatever i want prom I'm the nerfed innocent child remember,

Can someone fill me on in the joke here? Whats a nerfed IC?

Isnt IC miller?

Mocsta

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February 02 2013 17:14 GMT

#2076

[fluff]
im really struggling to follow
from MafiaWiki
"An Innocent Child is a player who is mod-confirmed as Town-aligned at the start of the game. "

Is the joke that your town play is like IC (i.e. sarcasm)

Or is the joke, the reference in general to Prom?

(I ask, because for whatever reason no one corrected my IC -> Miller misunderstanding)

Mocsta

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February 03 2013 01:41 GMT

#2105

nerfed town.. ahh got you.

translation:

Mocsta = replacement; Im an instant nerf in any game

Mocsta

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February 03 2013 01:45 GMT

#2106

Good job guys with Yam all;

Any point declaring DAy4 lynch candidates? or just wait and see if SK arises, and trust whoever is left can figure out the perfect plan?

Mocsta

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February 03 2013 05:47 GMT

#2109

hmm its very disconcerting JX has been as present as Yamato's defense.

Just when I was starting to feel better about him too.

Mocsta

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February 03 2013 23:14 GMT

#2123

?deadline?

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February 03 2013 23:40 GMT

#2128

Interesting.

Was not expecting that.

hmm mafia kp hit bp sk.. Or no kp used?

I thought sk woulda shot to gain numbets advantage so leaning towards no shot to feign hitting sk

Mocsta

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February 03 2013 23:55 GMT

#2131

Considering Toad said, town is nerfed; I dont see how we could have a medic present. We already have potentially 2x 1-shot vig & 1x/2x 1-shot cop (if you decide to believe JX claim).

How does medic fit into that schema? + I thought medic would have made effort to save EZ (which wasnt the case).

Which is why im still leaning back to either

SK held back shot (if present) & mafia held back shot
SK held back shot (if present) & mafia hit 1-shot BP SK
No SK present & mafia held back shot (potentially to cause confusion OR feign shooting a 1-shot BP SK)

Mocsta

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February 04 2013 00:09 GMT

#2133

Now I haven't filter dived JX yet (at work, so will have to do it tonight); but, I had some problems with what he wrote.

Specifically if he was 1-shot cop that already used power, he is now a VT (a la Vivax); there is nothing to hide from claiming (esp. when requested by EZ) and later again by Djo.

Also

On February 04 2013 07:58 JieXian wrote:
Djo and Mochsta look like they
may very well lynch iamp and I'd still have a chance if I were to test my luck with that, especially with
the possibility of there being an SK

The phrasing of this is completely off. Town dont want a chance to test luck. They want to prove innocence.(e.g. look at my reaction when Djo trying to confirm me via setup speculation; "Thanks but no thanks"). This to me just stinks of scum.

So im sticking with JX being scum for this lynch.

If SK is present deal with it Day5.

##Vote: JieXian

Mocsta

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February 04 2013 00:11 GMT

#2134

On February 04 2013 09:06 Vivax wrote:
If the last scum dies and we don't win then SK is confirmed.

Agreed. Im still leaning on JX as scum (as per post above)

Will do a filter dive tonight, but hopefully JX puts in more of an effort this cycle regardless.