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you were actually being semi-hospitable this game. If you think im scum, go and make your case. Use xsksc filter if you have to. Otherwise, stop slinging shit around. My read is Yamato, why am I going to pressure two guys simultaneously. If your such a guru at mafia like your think you are (let me reference Kruger effect again for you), you would realise you push one guy at a time. So fuck off. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:31 JieXian wrote: In that case I must be missing something. Please explain Extrapolate. You have asked me a question. You have stated rhetoric. | ||
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*haven't asked me a question* | ||
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The intention of the post was.. I found xsksc behaviour badly timed as well. He did link a news article stating why his internet was down; but, regardless, I could see why people thought he was scum enough to consider green check as Godfather. I was also asking for people to give me a chance to prove my innocence; instead of condemn me due to the actions of an inactive. If you read the post, you would realise this was the first thing I commented on. Instead you are asphyxiated on the WIFOM statement, that I indeed claim is WIFOM. I even say that doesnt make me innocent, so again, its completely stupid your even questioning the post. | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:39 Djodref wrote: Vivax is town. He is my strongest townread right now. So.. where does that leave Prome, your supposed "clone" | ||
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Its a tough one.. It almost seems unnatural how many times he has received DT. I cant see a reason to do a gambit of Fake DT -> Fake check = green & then push as godfather Even if for whatever reason Vivax was trolling and decided to test this theory out.. The shock he expresses post Night 1 is pretty genuine. I dont think that can be faked. He was really conflicted. After the check, xsksc started becoming inactive (very convenient) so it was natural for Vivax to question this. So, to answer your question. I dont see how the cons outweight the pros of this move if faked. Vivax is DT, Vivax is town. | ||
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I cant believe he thinks me n Vivax are a scum team bussing each other. There was nothing to gain at that point in time. and everything to lose if scum motivated. Bussing Thrawn made some sense if he was such a liability as others stated. But why bus the 2nd member of a 3 man team, when your already one man down. THATS STUPID PLAY. ##Vote: JieXian | ||
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On February 02 2013 00:57 Djodref wrote: What do you think about Vivax now ? Do you see there is no way for him to be scum ? Your doing a lot of mediating. Time to reverse roles please. You have said your piece on Vivax, but thats a pretty easy read to give due to straight forward logic. JX said iamp is his only confirmed town. What is your read on iamp; and what do you make of JX statement ? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:01 JieXian wrote: No. What if Vivax is scum with yamato and claimed for townie credit ?? On February 02 2013 00:52 JieXian wrote: He definitely didn't claim to protect himself at that moment, obviously. It was to protect xsk. Of course he wants to lynch/bus xsk. He's been bringing up the possibility of a GF for every other time he mentions that xsk is green. I already said how I found that very scummy. pretty clear your referring to scum team as me + vivax | ||
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I will reciprocate once you do. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344¤tpage=99#1972 | ||
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Why would scum kill EZ instead of DT? *This same problem just arose its head in Mafia LIX as well* | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:17 JieXian wrote: Besides, I now have stronger reads on Djo and mocha Djo is most definitely NOT sk its mocsta. Why is Djo not SK? dont just make a rhetoric, add fact and logic. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:20 Djodref wrote: I think still think iamp is town, but I'm less sure that before. I don't understand why he doesn't want to answer my questions right now. From my point of view, things are easy, we have two scum among iamp, JieXian, Mocsta and yamato. We lynch the scummiest. It's yamato. hmm im not that satisfied with the answer, but in hindsight the question was worded too loosely, so thats my own fault. As for Yamato, I dont have a problem with his lynch, I already stated that. My problem with JX and the reason the vote went his way is due to his thought process. Its inconceivable someone that has been involved in this game from Day Dot could be having the sentiments he is sharing. I just came into the game and feel like I know more about the status quo of the game than JX. Now JX is not a stupid guy; he is friends with Toad, and I doubt Toad would suffer fools. So if JX is not stupid; but is clearly demonstrating faulty logic regarding basics (and so late into the game) I think its safe to conclude he doesnt actually care about the game.. isnt this scum motivation? Tie this in with him rarely having strong opinions throughout the whole game, and barely making cases/reads throughout the whole game; and again, a consistent lack of not caring. I think this makes him a pretty strong scum read (as opposed to my previous leaning); the thing yamato has in my mind that takes precedent over JX is his shitting up the Day 2 lynch. I still want an answer to what he was expecting to achieve if it was town motivated. But for now, im content with the vote on JX. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:23 Djodref wrote: Hey ! Why I am SK ? Don't just say it for free, add quotes and evidence. Because I'm Vigilante. I didnt call you SK. I said I dont "auto-assume" you are town. Two completely different things. Stop being over-defensive. | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:27 iamperfection wrote: He is not moc and yamato are but they have claims and checks show me what setup we are in djo Riddle me this. (in general) What is a stronger heuristic for you (for a scum read) The miller claim or the dt green check | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:31 JieXian wrote: He was obviously paying a lot of attention to the game, making his reads, making sure town do the right thing, etc. If he's SK he's playing well However I cannot say the same for Djo as I did with Vivax because Djo does play well, but I'm sticking to my current read until things change. On February 02 2013 00:02 JieXian wrote: I stopped Djo from shooting my null and town reads. Djo's targets are dead and they all flipped town. ??? So your idea of town doing the right thing is... having targets flip town? | ||
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On February 02 2013 01:33 JieXian wrote: I really hate to hurt my pride mochsta but I've been in 3 townie games Twice I made it to the end Once I was shot D1 and everyone was saying that it was a stupid shot. well, i dont think your stupid; regardless, your comment above does not account for the lack of "passion" in your thread. May I ask why iamp is your most confirmed town read? Is this your sole reason? On January 30 2013 19:23 JieXian wrote: Iamp, looks like town to me, I've never played with him before but he also posts the same way in Cheesecake, lots of 1-2 liners. What stand out is his tunnel on thrawn D1 followed by this post He's not even trying to claim townie credits were he scum, for bussing thrawn. Or has your read developed further as the game progressed? | ||
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The question was in general. I believe at the start of the thread, it was discussed miller is about 40% likely. Hence, false miller claim can be countered about 60% of the time? Correct? If you think green check is worth less than miller claim, you think the likelihood of a green check being scum (in general), would be >>60% of the time? Correct? As in....you think that the chance of GF being in the game is greater than 60%?? & By corollay: if Miller is present, all green DT checks are essentially moot (as worth less than the miller claim) So if Vivax checked you, and you were green.. we could all state on your heuristic you are the Godfather If we extend this to my situation. If you are going to sit here and continue to accuse me of being the godfather, go ahead and make a case. Regardless of xsksc inactivity (which he explained in full), judge me by my content - I have been contributing enough this cycle for a read IMHO. If you dont think I have been open and transparent; if you dont think I have been trying to spark conversation; if you dont think I am scum hunting with logic; log your vote my way, but dont forget to build that case. Otherwise, accept I am a VT; and continue the scum hunt. | ||
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On February 02 2013 02:01 Promethelax wrote: I've been working under the assumption that one V us a single shot vig here and VV is two single shot viggies. if we're at VVMC (which I doubt) we'd theoretically have TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer but if we have a serial killer we're only at VMC which has TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker in all likelyhood this set-up is VVC vs. TTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker so final set-up would be 2 one shot vigs 1 one shot cop 7 VTs vs 2 goons 1RB which means Moc is confirmed town if yamato flips scum. We obviously have no doc because anyone not protecting EZ last night is a fucking retard. EZ was the only scum shot in this town and he/they were obvious townies. Thats why your the coach. This make pretty fuckn good sense to me (in particular with the medic comment) ##Unvote ##Vote: yamato77 | ||
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