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On January 26 2013 10:12 xsksc wrote:
Oh hai Hapa, we haven't met. Wanna play Prom's game for me?
Tell me about yourself. What are your strengths and what are your weaknesses?
I've been playing TL Mafia for... 6 months I think? I coach newbie towns a lot, and I love me some mini-mafia games.
Well I'm far from objective about my own strengths and weaknesses. In terms of a self-assessment though, I like to have a high thread-presence and get in the thick of things. Basically I'm town, I'm spammy, and I'll likely build 20 page filter by the time I get shot.
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On January 26 2013 10:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
*zziiiip*
I think I overheard Toad say two millers are possible in this setup? Or was that marv talking about Bugs' games?
Anyway, I agree that marv is LIKELY town, but obviously no one should take anything for granted.
According to C9++, no. Can you link to whatever you're talking about?
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It was marv.
On January 24 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:33 Djodref wrote:On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values.
ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC.
So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics)
afaik, afaik. Oh, yeah, you are right. I didn't remember the setups correctly. Two millers is strictly impossible then, I'll edit my previous message ^^ In the C9 modified setup me and bugs use, 2 millers is possible
My bad.
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Ok, sent the Obs QT link. If you want it, pm me or Toad.
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ve were you serious about thrawn?
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No man...that one statement isn't even close to enough to implicate him as scum. He made a bad joke (again), so I made one back at him.
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On January 26 2013 10:22 VisceraEyes wrote:It was marv. Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote:On January 24 2013 02:33 Djodref wrote:On January 24 2013 02:30 Dandel Ion wrote:
It's 37.7 because roughly 37% come from the single M, and a ~0.7% for the triple M. Can't remember exact values.
ICs happen with XXXXXXM and XXXXMMM setups, no others. There can only be one IC.
So unless there's a secret TL way of rolling c9 I'm not aware of, it should be impossible to roll two millers (ics)
afaik, afaik. Oh, yeah, you are right. I didn't remember the setups correctly. Two millers is strictly impossible then, I'll edit my previous message ^^ In the C9 modified setup me and bugs use, 2 millers is possible My bad.
Oh hmmm good to know. So the auto-town read on marv was hasty, but we'll confirm or deny that down the road.
@ xsksc
I looked at your history in the TL Mafia Database, and saw that you didn't play any scum-games. Have you ever played ont he red side of things before?
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Yes. Kitamans newbie game i forget the number, i think it was in august 2011. That's the only game I've been scum in, rolled town for the next 7 games 
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Well that's weird, the database seems to be missing a few of my games.
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On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?
What is "odd" about Vivax's attacks?
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To expand on that: "odd" is a purposeless term in mafia. No one cares if something is "odd," because it draws no conclusions about someone's allignment. This is especially true given how that quote is constructed:
On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?
First you say that there's no reason for you to think he's scum. Then you call his quote "odd" (which is purposeless and implies suspicion on Vivax). Then you backtrack on it, but then reverse course again promising to look into Vivax's filter (which implies suspicion on him again).
There's a huge lack of coherence behind this statement of yours. What are your actual thoughts on Vivax?
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On January 26 2013 10:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? What is "odd" about Vivax's attacks?
On January 26 2013 09:13 Vivax wrote:
I think this post is scummy. It's lengthy and too serious in this situation. It also suggests xsksc has been lurking until he read your question. He was observing us silently.
First of all, I don't think this makes much sense. My last post was what, 10minutes before? I don't like being called out for lurking when I tab out for a few minutes.
I've never been called scum for making too serious a post. I fail to see the logic behind his thought process - that's why I think it's odd.
On January 26 2013 09:46 Vivax wrote:
You didn't check my profile to look for games but you ask me to hand them out to you.
That means you are either extremely gullible or you knew I was town.
This just straight up doesn't make sense to me.
On January 26 2013 09:46 Vivax wrote:
You know something?
Town don't like vote on themselves cause they know they are town. They have to be suspicious, assume that there's scum attacking them.
If you are town, my attacks aren't just a bit odd, they should be stupid.
I don't get the problem with the choice of my word there. Odd = Deviating from what is ordinary. Would anyone disagree that he has an odd style of play?
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So odd = illogical then. OK that explains some.
What about your thoughts on Vivax? Are you leaning one way or the other on his allignment now?
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On January 26 2013 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:To expand on that: "odd" is a purposeless term in mafia. No one cares if something is "odd," because it draws no conclusions about someone's allignment. This is especially true given how that quote is constructed: Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? First you say that there's no reason for you to think he's scum. Then you call his quote "odd" (which is purposeless and implies suspicion on Vivax). Then you backtrack on it, but then reverse course again promising to look into Vivax's filter (which implies suspicion on him again). There's a huge lack of coherence behind this statement of yours. What are your actual thoughts on Vivax?
I said I don't see a good reason for him to be scum. I don't think someone making a bad case on me warrants me to turn around and label them scum, if there's nothing else in their filter to indicate so.
His case lacked logic, that's all, and I prefer to actually do something constructive day one than defend myself against it.
Still leaning town on him. You may be more familiar with him, what do you think? Standard Vivax?
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Hey VE where you at? You ain't saying much. 
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On January 26 2013 09:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in? You know something? Town don't like vote on themselves cause they know they are town. They have to be suspicious, assume that there's scum attacking them. If you are town, my attacks aren't just a bit odd, they should be stupid. You didn't check my profile to look for games but you ask me to hand them out to you. That means you are either extremely gullible or you knew I was town. Anyway, my games (but not all, have to find them yet) are in my profile. Hand out your games to me instead, I didn't see links to them in your profile.
I'm interested in this too. Please explain the bolded Vivax. I don't understand at all how you arrived at those two conclusions based on the interaction you two just had.
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Yeah it's babygirl's bedtime. :r
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On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?
Hello guys !
So, first things first, I didn't like this xsksc post. "Your attacks are a bit odd" doesn't tell anything about his read on Vivax and shows that he didn't try to see if Vivax was honest or not with his early posts.
The part where he says "I'm going to look at your previous game" is also bad, because you don't need to announce it in the thread. Just checking the player profile by yourself and you can find his previous games.
I'm suspicious of xsksc because of this post.
I'm inclined to trust Marv when he claimed miller. As I explained pre-game, a fakeclaim is quite a risky move from the mafia.
I'm not going to worry about him except if he takes the backseat around D3 and is still here at MYLO or LYLO, if we even go there.
Regardless, I'd like to address this message to potential masons.
Don't forget that you can soft counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim. Consider outing one member of your mason pair to "soft counter" marv's claim.
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Looks like I got super sniped by Hapa
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I'm also suspicious of thrawn because he is not as spammy as usual in the beginning of the game and I know that thrawn likes to hang out in the scumQT when he is mafia.
I didn't like his joke as well.
On January 26 2013 09:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'd like all non self aware millers to claim
His joke in Hero Mini Mafia was a useful and light-hearten joke. Useful because it provoked reactions and light-hearten because he didn't care how he was going to like like after a fakeclaim.
This joke is a reminder of what he did in Hero, and I see it as a soft-town claim, which could be mafia motivated. Like, "hey guys, I'm behaving like in this game where I was town ! What gives ?".
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