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I need some mafia ^^ | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:18 Obzy wrote: /obs please~ Y u no join ? | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:51 Promethelax wrote: /obs unless you think it likely you'll need replacements in which case leave me out of the obs so I can replace in. Time permitting. What do you think  ?Replacements are always needed for normal games ^^ Anyway you should save yourself some time and just /in already, so you don't replace the scummiest lurker in the thread | ||
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On January 15 2013 18:42 Clarity_nl wrote: Only because it was so outrageously stupid edit: /in edit: /out edit: /in edit: /out edit: shake it all about Okay I'll /in I hope you could have scum and me town for a change, I miss the good old days  | ||
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On January 15 2013 20:42 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm sure I'll be playing a better scum game when I finally do roll it. I would be strange for me because ever since NMM XXX, I never had to ask myself too much about your alignment, because either I was mafia, either you were obvious Claritown, sometimes both I would enjoy to see your scum game ^^ | ||
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But you shouldn't ask people to commit yet just in case you roll mafia. For example, right now I feel like I'm going to totally lurk this game (regardless of alignment, of course ).I'm also going to have a lot of pressurre at work and I just started swimming practise again ^^ And I forgot to add that I was going to change my playstyle anyway... | ||
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I think you want to lynch several people already I hope for you that you get a Vig role ^^ | ||
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On January 17 2013 22:14 DarthPunk wrote: /out. Just far too busy at the moment. It sucks. But what can you do. Aww shit, I'm going to miss you if I get to roll mafia ^^ | ||
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On January 18 2013 10:10 AxleGreaser wrote: So if I suddenly stop spamming and trolling which are sure as shit up the thread scum tells you're going to lynch me for that? What are you going to do if i go on doing them? Woot now _you_ cant lynch me for either. Way to go. Me stop posting... Not really see my filter from XXXII although let it be know as most of this is unfocussed, light hearted, not going to fly spam, trolly material, I really will have to go on diet when the game starts. I've obsed your newbie game but I'm sure you would post less as scum. That's all I'm saying | ||
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On January 18 2013 11:10 AxleGreaser wrote: Dont be vague and eye of the beholder, conformation bias based fill in the blanks wishy washy... less than what though...? less is a comparative operator... be explicit less than.... In order to actually be predictive feature(scum tell) and not just convenient piece of emotive wagon building BS, you need a threshold. would you care to also hazard a guess whether I would ALSO post less than 1 quarter (16 page filter...) of this games thread as Town... So the conditional probability of me being scum if you observe a shorter filter is effected by that observation how? I am happy to be lynched but not on damned if I do, damned if dont platform. Are we having fun yet? Let's assume you are going to roll scum and me town ^^ Let's take for reference your activity level in the pre-game and in your newbie game. With this reference in mind, the less you are going to post, the surer I'm going to be that you are mafia. Then I'll just find other evidence to get you rightly lynched by the town Can we keep this for when we get our roles ? I think you have yet to experience the dark side of this game You are never the same once you get to roll scum for your first time... | ||
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Don't try to lynch the host if you roll scum Also, I have nothing to do with who is going to roll what. I'm just hoping to get town because I've been scum in almost half of my games already as you can see in my profile ^^ And this pre-game chat is not very relevant of what I'm going to do later in the game, because it is mainly going to depend on my alignment, and also what the other players are going to do. Nevertheless, if I get to be town, I do think that activity level is a good tell of the alignment of one player, and I don't need to give any threshold or quantified value to the less because it is mainly going to be a starting point for me to see which player I should investigate/pressure/read carefully. If my suspicion gets some confirmation under further inspection, then I'll start to promote my lynch candidate by writting cases and stuff | ||
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Yeah, I think I'll just look at the number of pages you post, and compare it with your day average in the newbie game and in this pre-game. But it's not going to definitively make you scum or town in my mind. It is going to be a good indicator to know if I should spend my time concentrating on you/your filter to assess my read on you Because you need to concentrate on few people in a big game like this ^^ Also I don't think I'm going to pay a lot of attention to you in the beginining, I think I'm going to focus on the players I know. | ||
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But still I think we should better vote sandro | ||
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I think there are people better suited for this office than me (i.e. the vets), and I don't think I'm an exceptional D1 player. I really think it should be better to give the double vote and the potential of a real bodyguard to a more experienced player than me. As stated in the pregame, I'm considering sandroba for mayor, but I need to see him post first of course. I'd appreciate a lot transparency and activity for the potential mayor. I would like to vote someone based on who is going to be lynched today as well. | ||
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On January 20 2013 11:55 sandroba wrote: i'm not running for mayor muahahaha that's my evil plan! i might lynch prpl anyway despite being a commoner @ sandro Why are you not running ? Why would you lynch prplhz ? | ||
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If we do our best today to elect a town mayor, I think this goal at least is easily achievable. Then hitting mafia D1 is always difficult, so I don't see why we should lynch the mayor if he doesn't lynch mafia on D1. I wouldn't lynch the mayor easily any day, if we pay attention to elect a townie ^^ | ||
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On January 20 2013 12:19 sandroba wrote: the answer to both questions will prob be dissapointing to you I'm ready to be disappointed ^^ | ||
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How do you feel about this mayoral election ? Why did you avoid the subject so far ? Would you run a campaign ? Who would you vote for if you had to choose right now and why ? | ||
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Since you are running for mayor, is there anyone you would like to lynch right now ? How do you plan to promote your campaign ? | ||
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What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ? Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ? | ||
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On January 20 2013 19:34 Mocsta wrote: They do?? Last I checked, there was 4 votes for Chezinu, and 1 for Toad. Either way, I am not interested in forming the town - lets all jerk each other off - vet circle that Toad is trying to lubricate us towards. @yamato77 (1) If you were in pole-position for the "job".. is your Day1 lynch target Toad? & (2) Are you satisfied with sandroba response? (i.e. made a decision not to campaign prior to game start) @ Mocsta Why are you interested in yamato ? | ||
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On January 20 2013 20:26 Vivax wrote: Allow me to correct: Toad should consolidate, Axle should just learn to format his posts properly. Gonzaw is also one of those able to produce hurricanes of text. mkfuba07 /confirm'd but didn't post anything since Daypost. Other "lurkers" didn't /confirm at all. @ mkfuba07 Why so silent?Who do you think is scum?Who would you elect? @ Djodref Hello Djodref. You have been asking a lot of questions lately. May I beg for you to answer mine first? What do you think of JieXian? Who would you vote for Mayor right now? Any tentative scumreads? @ Vivax I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him. I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him. I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote. I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far. Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected. About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ? Could you also answer my questions now ? | ||
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On January 20 2013 21:36 FiveTouch wrote: This is an extremely odd defence of JieXian. Why are you making it? ##Vote: austinmcc @ 5Touch You need to explain me this austin vote. | ||
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On January 20 2013 20:28 Djodref wrote: @ Mocsta Why are you interested in yamato ? @ Mocsta Answer my question please | ||
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On January 20 2013 22:03 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344¤tpage=17#330 I assume you did your due diligence and read that before commenting; so the synopsis: You put shit in.. you get shit out. Would you like to ask a more defined question to me? @ Mocsta Sorry, I didn't see your answer. Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so... If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts. | ||
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On January 20 2013 22:05 Vivax wrote: @ Axle If you read the first lines of my candidacy, you should know I'm in the CET time zone. I said I'm south of Rome. That wasn't flavour. I'll let you know that I disregard your play, and quoting you again and answering to your points will be just another waste of time. You aren't hunting scum, you are tunneling a player and circle-jerking over single lines. You said you played two games, right? Well, if you are town, then start considering that there are 5 scum in this game. Or are you just trying to make my candidacy look bad? Well, no one seems willing to vote me yet, so why bother? I am curious though. What is your read on JieXian? I suppose you don't think I'm town? What do you make of Djo dodging my question? Do you have a read on him? @ Vivax Which question did I dodge ? I think I've answered everything | ||
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On January 20 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote: It doesnt matter if i think yamato is a candidate with a chance to win, I represent one vote out of 22. I thought yamato campaigned passive-aggressively; just like Toad. Its an approach I am oft in favour of when attempting to look squeaky-clean whilst attempting to manipulate. Having said that, its not pertinent to determining alignment. At least not with the information we have currently. Fair enough. Just one last question, are you familiar with yamato ? Have you played with him or read some games of him ? Do you think that you can have a better read on him than on the other players here ? | ||
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On January 20 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote: I said that Djo dodged my question in my last post, he ninjad me, so we can put that point apart. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 21:53 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax I think that JieXian is a lynch-bait when he is town. I don't have enough post from him to have a good read on him. I could imagine town JieXian doing this kind of opening post. So, he's null for now, and I wouldn't lynch him. I have no idea who to vote yet but gonzaw looks the towniest among the candidates so farin my view, but I need to know who he is planning to lynch before I cast my vote. I'm suspicious of austin and Clarity so far. Clarity because he doesn't match his usual town activity and doesn't look very involved. Austin because he didn't say much about the mayoral election, so I wonder if he really cares who is going to be elected. About you, I don't know, I would say town because the feeling I've got from you posts is different from our last scum game, but maybe the problem I have is simply that I don't know your alignment this time So slightly town on you. But why do you ask ? Could you also answer my questions now ? Thanks for sharing your reads Djo. I will answer your questions. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 20:19 Djodref wrote: @ Vivax What do you plan to do if JieXian isn't more active today ? Wouldn't it be a lurker lynch ? What else didn't you like in his opening post ? 1. I am looking for scum elsewhere. It's not like JieXian could be the only one. I honestly don't think this is a good question. What else would you expect me to answer? 2. Well, define lurker. For me lurkers are the guys that don't share anything/troll and vote to not get modkilled. But you should know that JieXian isn't in the crossfire just for lurking. 3. Cause the whole post if useless for finding scum. Look at that post and tell me: What would JieXian want to achieve with that? I see 4 things: → getting gonzaw elected → defending Axle → drive-by-shitthrowing at me without even caring about commenting on anything I wrote. → Joking with Toad about something from earlier games. He simply looks like he doesn't give a fuck about scumhunting. @ Vivax 1. Honestly, I wouldn't be satisfied with a JieXian lynch right now, because it wouldn't give us much information (there is no so much to comment on). I would expect you to campaign around a better lynch candidate, from you opening campaign post. Better is the sense that we could get more info from the lynch. 2. By lurkers, I was thinking at lurkers (your definition) and inactives. I don't think you should focus your campaign around JieXian if he keeps being inactive, that is all. At least you wouldn't get my vote this way 3. Why JieXian among the others ? Austin doesn't look to give a fuck about scumhunting and also the mayoral election. | ||
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On January 20 2013 23:39 Clarity_nl wrote: No there's no one I'd like to lynch yet. I'll promote my campaign by scumhunting and asking people to vote for me if they agree with reads I'm making. "But clarity you haven't made any reads!" Yep, true. Will have time to analyze stuff tonight, so far I've just read the thread to keep up. What's with all the questions djo, you seem to have this "scatterfire" approach where you ask a person 3-4 questions. It doesn't fit either of your metas I'm trying to figure people out Especially people running for mayor...But I don't have definite reads so far. I'm also uncomfortable with the global inactivity. I'm looking forward what you are going to come with. | ||
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Also I'm playing this game with the mayor stuff for the first time, and it's my first big game as town | ||
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Just saying that I like austin latest posts. I think my earlier suspicions were unwarranted. I hope the activity to raise up while I'm sleeping ! | ||
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On January 20 2013 23:39 Clarity_nl wrote: No there's no one I'd like to lynch yet. I'll promote my campaign by scumhunting and asking people to vote for me if they agree with reads I'm making. "But clarity you haven't made any reads!" Yep, true. Will have time to analyze stuff tonight, so far I've just read the thread to keep up. What's with all the questions djo, you seem to have this "scatterfire" approach where you ask a person 3-4 questions. It doesn't fit either of your metas @ Clarity Are you still around ? I think ”tonight” is over soon in your place, why did you fail to provode anything yet ? | ||
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I'm not convinced at all for the moment. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:25 austinmcc wrote: The times that I've seen Chezinu give reads, they've been QUITE good. He also, in my mind, has some other qualities that I want in a mayor - someone that scum is going to have a hard time misleading and someone who can deal with being masoned well. My problem with Chezinu is that I don't know him enough to be confident in my read on him. Also the fact that he seems hard to read because his style doesn't look difficult to emulate as mafia. And I think that's the case for several players here as well. That's the reasons why I'm not conformable with Chez being elected. So far, I could see gonzaw, austin, vivax and Toad in the positions of sherrif and mayor. Because I think they are town, and also because they are active and try to move the thread forward. I encourage everybody to think not only about the mayor, but also about the sherrif, and remind that we absolutely don't want a mafia player on these spots. I'm going to wait which player these guys want to lynch before making my decision. @ Chez Who do you want to lynch so far ? I'm asking you because you are a candidate, and I think that runners have to be transparent to everybody. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:33 DearestSnot wrote: I'm mafia by virtue of my identity? Cool story bro, you're dumb by virtue of yours. He is WBG, he derped in Dessert Mini Mafia. | ||
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On January 21 2013 08:35 Clarity_nl wrote: Life and things, but you know me, I stay up late generally. Currently reading Not done with reading yet ? | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:05 Toadesstern wrote: what do you guys think about making sure some idiot we all know to be town ends up being sheriff? I really don't think we should have people like Bugs, Chez or gonzaw sitting on a sheriff role, being unable to be DT-checked by anyone. Most people feel probably the same way about me, so if you're not having access to my TL-PMs you might want to add me to that list as well. I don't think the sheriff powers are that great, besides having bodyguards. Sure, 3-time Jailer but it's something even a noob should be capable to do. Just tell him to not offensively jail and we're good. @ Toad Who do you suggest ? I like that idea. Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:18 Mocsta wrote: Why? I haven't seen anything that sticks out as specifically pro-town. Perhaps you can enlighten me. You aren't necessarily pro-town when you are town Yamato sticks out, has strong opinions, looks emotionally involved and his main concern is to find scum. That makes him town in my eyes ^^ | ||
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I'm running for Sherrif ! We shouldn't let the mafia take this seat ! Ok, I didn't want to be mayor in the first place because honestly I don't feel confident enough in my reads D1, but I think the sherrif position could suit me very well. My candidature is to ensure that the sherrif position is going to be rewarded to a town member. Also, I've got a nice game the last time I was Jailor Djodref for sherrif ! ##Vote Djodref | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:40 yamato77 wrote: @Djo What is the point of all your talk about mayor/sheriff elections and town reads? If you'd bothered to read my filter that supposedly makes me so town, you'd see that I hate this sort of behavior. I'm sorry but I was answering the question moscta asked me about you. Also we need to make sure that both the sherrif and the mayor are going to be town players. | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote: I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL ![[image loading]](http://www.wordsmith.org/animatedgifs/anim-DearestSnot_Toadesstern-Cu4G.gif) Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote Anyone else you would like to lynch ? | ||
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On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote: as I've already stated, I'm also willing to lynch Oats. Whom do you want to lynch? Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so. I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:00 DearestSnot wrote: I suppose these are reasonable, but I don't want to spread ourselves too thinly. What do you make of prplhz's statement that he wanted to lynch Chezinu at the beginning of the game, despite the fact that he hates policy lynches? What do you make of his defense of that statement, that in the absence of posts, Chezinu is the best lynch? What was it about Austin's posts that made you change your mind? Regarding prplhz, I can understand that he wants to lynch Chezinu if he really thinks that Chezinu is unreadable. He didn't like policy lynch in one game, that doesn't make him hating policy lynches forever. Like we say in France, "only stupid people never change their minds". Also I don't see scum blatantly enter the thread like this, because blending in and flying under the radar is a better strategy in big games I guess. I didn't like Austin posts at first but he has been extensively open about his thoughts when I asked him a few questions. Also he started to post some content. And I don't disagree with what he posts since. I could support an Oats lynch by the way, but I'm not sold on a prplhz lynch. | ||
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On January 21 2013 11:29 FiveTouch wrote: This is a disappointing post, as far as I'm aware usually you are quite diligent in games. Here are scum prplhz's various first posts in threads: or maybe: or how about: Quite 'blatant', wouldn't you say, Djodref? Well, that was my last experience as scum in a big game talking for me In LVIII, the scumteam did very well by doing nothing at all the first day. Especially me. I didn't look at prplhz previous scum games, and I don't plan to do it I remind him being mislynched as town in Looney though. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:08 Mocsta wrote: Strategy-wise.. whats more important for mayor/sheriff? Having the two towniest fuckers voted in? Or having a towny guy known for good reads? I thought we were banking on #2? If its #1 its a whole diff ball game, and I would contest we don't need to consider Vets for the role.. if anything those are the guys who KNOW how to be perceived as town, especially Day 1. @ Mocsta I think the most important thing is that we should be sure they are town for the long term. Of course, it would be better to vote someone able to nail a scum on D1 for the mayor. But I think we should privilege a player looking obviously town than a good player for sheriff. Hence my candidature Because I think good town players are also generally good mafia players ^^ | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: Noted that you followed up on Clarity not once, but twice. Please indulge your scum read/lynch candidate if you were instated. I would like to see some detailed insight too pls. As stated before, I would like to lynch Clarity. Because he is running for mayor, but has failed to provide any post with content so far, and that really doesn't look like town Clarity. Also, I could lynch debears for not spamming the thread as usual when he is town. Regarding Oats, I agree with the scumread on him by other players. Some things tipped me off in his filter. On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? Let's take a look at his opening post. He announces that he is not going to run, but asks if anyone has questions for him. Why would he think that people would interrogate him about his opening post ? It could be self-guiltiness here. Also his posts are lacking of content. For example, his call to the lurkers is quite useless. On January 21 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Got sniped by yamato, URGH. Grush, Mkfuba, Jiexian Annul. Where did you guys go?? Especially Annul. Pops in, posts random shit and fucks off. I also don't like his reaction when Toad said he could be a good lynch. I'm expecting town Oats to be more aggressive, but his reaction here is quite passive. On January 21 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Toad Reasoning for lynching me Oats looks like a decent lynch uhuh. Besides that post, you havent mentioned scum at all. | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:43 debears wrote: Btw I think Djo would be a good lynch option today or tomorow I'm looking at the vivax/yamato reaction I believe yamato to be more likely scum out of the two more coming after i read the last 6 pages Hello debears ! What happened to you ? And why should I be a good lynch for today or tomorrow ? | ||
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Do you really think Vivax or Toad could get lynched today ? I wouldn't lynch the most vocal players on D1, so I'm against it, but do you think you can convince enough people to lynch them ? | ||
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On January 21 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Clearly you havent read my filter Djo, unless you and I have a different definition of aggressiveness. Toad, You skipped the question by attacking me. Please answer it Ok, some of your posts are aggressive, but I felt the aggression was not warranted. And your attack on Toad when he calls you a good lynch today is lacking of conviction in my eyes. On January 21 2013 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax, are you serious about wanting to becoming mayor or were you just trolling the thread? For example, this post was kind of unwarranted aggression. I think it is clear that Vivax is trying to achieve something with his candidature, regardless of his alignment. I think he is going to be involved in this game. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote: Djo, Toad, Vivax all lean red. Sandro is close to red for how lazy his scumreads are. Five and WBG are in a similar area to Sand, but WBG looks the towniest of them all so far. I would lynch into any of the first three. @ Yamato Why the scum read on me ? | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:32 yamato77 wrote: I don't like what you're doing today. I think I've explained this read in my filter already. I told you that the townread I gave on you was an answer to Mocsta. Also, it's pretty normal to discuss about mayor and sheriff today imo. Anyway, regarding Clarity, he had an excuse for not participating so much the first day in LVIII (he was sick) and at that time he did already more than what he did today in this game. He shouldn't have run for mayor if he had IRL stuff this week-end. So I'm very suspicious of his candidature. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:42 yamato77 wrote: [<snip> Djo is neither a vet nor is he being useful with his activity. I would definitely lynch him. <snip> So do you want to lynch me because I'm useless or because I'm scum ? What do you make a my last post about Oats ? + Show Spoiler [here] + On January 21 2013 12:43 Djodref wrote: As stated before, I would like to lynch Clarity. Because he is running for mayor, but has failed to provide any post with content so far, and that really doesn't look like town Clarity. Also, I could lynch debears for not spamming the thread as usual when he is town. Regarding Oats, I agree with the scumread on him by other players. Some things tipped me off in his filter. Let's take a look at his opening post. He announces that he is not going to run, but asks if anyone has questions for him. Why would he think that people would interrogate him about his opening post ? It could be self-guiltiness here. Also his posts are lacking of content. For example, his call to the lurkers is quite useless. I also don't like his reaction when Toad said he could be a good lynch. I'm expecting town Oats to be more aggressive, but his reaction here is quite passive. | ||
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On January 21 2013 13:52 gonzaw wrote: Djoref, what do you think of Stutters? I didn't really notice you mentioning him that much. Also, do you think Clarity has more chances of flipping scum than Oats or Stutters or maybe even sandro, etc? @ gonzaw I know Clarity better than Stuttters. And I know that Clarity is usually quite active, even during week-ends. In Stutters case, I remember being not so active in my first newbie game. Also Clarity ran for mayor, so he would have like to get more involved if he was town I guess. Honestly, I think that Oats has the more chances to flip scum among these 3. I cannot be sure about Stutters or Clarity because they don't post, and they could have legit reasons for it. | ||
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I'm thinking that FiveTouch is going to get elected as mayor today. I don't see strong contenders for the seat. Prplhz didn't do anything to redeem himself in my view, so I'm fine with his lynch now. I'm concerned with the Sheriff position. I'm not comfortable with Chezinu getting it, because I would prefer him not to be immune to detection. I'm disappointed that nobody took my sheriff candidature seriously, and I'm going to vote austin to promote him as a sheriff. I'll switch my vote to FiveTouch if I need to. ##Unvote ##Vote: austin @ debears Why didn't you post your meta case yet ? And you were more active last game, at least at the beginning of it. It's true it was not a spam-fest in LVIII, but you should understand that your low activity is concerning. | ||
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On January 22 2013 00:15 debears wrote: I really do not think you are town djo 1) I said I would not reveal a meta case until you were a serious candidate for lynch. In other words, if a mayor has no good candidates, then I would reveal it. However, I like 5touch's lynch targets for now. 2) I highly doubt you didn't see this response to your quote from LVIII @ debears 1)Ok, but I don't see why it shouldn't be good to post it now as well. You believe I'm scum but you don't try to get me lynch ? 2)This game is different, and given how LVIII was a failure for town, I'm surprised that you don't try to change your playstyle. Town players also wanted to lynch you in that game. | ||
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I'd like to have Toad sheriff based on his mason claim, is there any reason I should not ? | ||
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On January 22 2013 08:54 austinmcc wrote: Mason isn't alignment-determinative this game, but if you believe he's townie then no, there's not really a reason not to try and get him protection. I do like the idea of Toad, if he's town, being able to engage in mason chats without risking a night kill, or with scum having to out 1-2 members in order to take him out quickly. I don't think any scum would like to mason sandroba. Moreover, I don't see sandroba and Toad scum in this game, even less scum together. ##Unvote ##Vote: Toad | ||
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I thought the deadline was 9am KST, I have still one hour to catch up | ||
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On January 22 2013 09:54 BroodKingEXE wrote: My bad guys something came up, so I had to take care of it Vote:BroodKingEXE since I have no clue what is going on. Asking for a policy lynch ? | ||
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Ok, I'm trying to see if I can deduce Chezinu alignment from what happened. Would prplhz have stated that he wanted one of his teammate dead right off the bat ? I don't think so, so I believe now that Chezinu is town, but I would like anyone to tell me that I'm wrong by thinking this way. | ||
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On January 22 2013 10:55 DearestSnot wrote: let me put it this way: why are you not trying to think for yourself? You seem to have come to a conclusion. Why is it necessary to say anything if you believe Chezinu is town? Is he under suspicion right now? I'm thinking for myself, thanks, but I don't know what to think of Chezinu alignment except for this "Chezinu's rule" apparent occurrence. And I was hoping to discuss this with people who know Chezinu better than me. Also, I think it could be good to share this with all the people who could feel insecure about Chezinu's alignment as well. | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:02 debears wrote: As I said, Djo is likely scum :D Just because I want to discuss my tentative townreads ? Where is your meta case on me by the way ? | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:10 Toadesstern wrote: I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now. He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is. Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative... I think Annul still looks bad. Let's have a look at his filter. What did he do yesterday ? He tunneled Vivax and he interacted with Axle. Not to mention that Vivax couldn't reasonably be lynched yesterday, being vocal and all, at least in my eyes. There is absolutely no mention of prplhz, and no mention of Oats as well. His tunnel on Vivax could have prevented him to voice his opinion on other subjects. That is a common scum strategy. | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:36 grush57 wrote: Hooray d1 is over an a scum got lynched. hey grush ! What are the starsenses saying ? | ||
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Annul Lynch him or Shoot him I think you should lynch annul tomorrow. I'm pretty sure annul is scum now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that town annul is a good and experienced player, so I don't understand how he can make a post against Toad which is basically an association before flip here. On January 21 2013 12:44 annul wrote: also, toad's read on vivax is pretty questionable. vivax is playing very not-pro-town right now and toad literally thinks he is "the second most confirmed town, next to himself?" waaaaaaaaaat he is slightly more on the red side of the spectrum for me right now. he accounts for like 12% of the game's posts right now, and he has put a lot of information on the table. if i am right and toad is red, it is certain that he has linked himself to other reds in the game based on his day 1 play. *snip* Also, I think that he is pretty biased regarding his read on Vivax, because he mainly focused on the "OMGUS" proposition of Vivax to lynch JieXian too much, and after that his suspicion of yamato. Things escalated pretty quickly for annul. On January 21 2013 12:34 annul wrote: as for vivax, hes tunneling the shit out of jiexian for some reason (OMGUS-based for sure)... runs for mayor, saying "i will lynch d1 who i want even if town wants someone else" and then randomly votes for sandroba for mayor soon thereafter, who isnt even running? then, yamato calls him out (like i did), and even more recently, vivax now wants to lynch yamato. does this guy do anything other than OMGUSing? On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote: conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity I think a decent case could have been made against Vivax if annul was really convinced that Vivax is mafia because there was enough content in Vivax's filter already at that point. So I don't think annul really thinks Vivax is scum, I think that annul found a convenient tunnel. Let's face it, he was running for mayor, but Vivax or Toad being lynched at the end of D1 was not reasonable objective. It's really suspicious also that he avoided to comment on prphlz or anything else really. Conclusion Annul is scum because
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I'm still waiting for your meta case on me. I'm very curious to see what you are going to come up with because I'm town. Moreover, I think that all my games are different so far. Especially my scum games.. And don't worry, I don't think that you are going to be killed for it | ||
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He is back to the grey are of the lurkers in my sheet, with BroodExe and grush ^^ | ||
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So, regarding Vivax case + Show Spoiler [here for reference] + On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: *snipped axle coherency comment* I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. *question to host and gonzaw vote* *Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote: *snip Seems like sandro flipped scum again. Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote: I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote: Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? Vivax shows that this stance was certainly fake, because JieXian doesn't show consistency with this first stance. One other thing I noted is that JieXian implied that Vivax was town in this post, when he says the reasons why he is not going to vote for Vivax. For me, being suspicious of one guy is a good reason enough not to vote him, but JieXian justifies himself by saying that Vivax has bad reads. So Vivax is town, but wouldn't be a good mayor because he has bad reads, not because he is scum, as JieXian should believe. I think we have kind of a scumslip here. On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. From the same post, his defense from sandroba attack is also very scummy. On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. [b]Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. *snip* How would the fact that it is his first Mayor game explain his strange first post ? I think he is playing the newbie card here somehow. Please also note the passive-aggressive way he answers to sandroba, saying that sandroba is attacking him because JieXian was suspicious of him first. Another thing not speaking in favor of JieXian is his activity level. He had at least 3 pages at the end of D1 in Witchcraft Mini Mafia (town JieXian filter in WC MM) where he was much more annoying and persistent with his reads. I didn't see him here promote anybody of his own by the way. | ||
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On January 22 2013 23:36 Vivax wrote: @ Djodref Do you think he's scummier than annul? @ Oats If you are confused by my case, then you should read it again. It rather confuses me that you summarize it like that and put it apart. @ Vivax JieXian could be a fucking lynch bait. He was town in WitchCraft Mini Mafia and I could write the perfect case against him (me being scum of course). But he is sure scummy enough to deserve a lynch in this game. The way he plays here is also different. He was really persistent and very frontal with his reads in WitchCraft. All in all, I think that annul has more chances to flip scum than JieXian, so I prefer to lynch annul tomorrow. @ Oats Well, I was trying to point out JieXian contradiction. The reason JieXian invokes for not voting Vivax as mayor implies that Vivax is town (him having bad reads and all). But JieXian said before that he was suspicious of Vivax, so I don't understand why he needs this reason not to vote him, and it also looks like JieXian was referring to a town Vivax at this point. So, maybe a scumslip. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:11 Vivax wrote: @ Djodref I like your case , I will support an annul lynch tomorrow if JX doesn't get lynched. I kinda had my doubts about you to be honest, but your latest contributions made me change my mind. I am also quite interested in debears and mkfuba for their lurky, passive-aggressive style, we shouldn't forget Chezinu either for trying to stop Toad from being elected. What do you think about them? Going to a birthday, I'll be back one or two hours before deadline. I think Chezinu is town because of the Chezinu rule ^^ Also I think we should wait for D3 or more simply for him being killed if he is town to decide what to do with him. I'm waiting for debears to contribute more. He is supposed to have a meta case against me. Slightly scummy, but mainly for being not active. While it is true it was the case in LVIII, I don't think he would do the same as in that game again. I didn't pay any attention to mkfuba so far, and I don't remind his posts, which is not a good sign. But I'll do that tomorrow | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, can you explain how the Chezinu rule makes Chezinu town? Chezinu had prplhz quite early as scum because of the "Chezinu rule". He was campaigning on a prplhz lynch as well by the way. So either town Chezinu genuinely used his rule to nail prplhz as scum, either they plotted this together, but I don't even see how it could have helped Chezinu to get the mayor or sheriff seat for real the way it happens. It's not like prplhz would be confirmed scum before the flip. Anyway, we should keep it simple, so Chezinu is most certainly town, and on top of that there is nothing making think he could be mafia in his filter (it is rather the opposite), and anyway we shouldn't care too much about him since he is usually starting to help town or whatever he does as scum starting D3 or later. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:56 yamato77 wrote: What do you think a question about Chezinu is going to reveal about Djo's alignment? Why do you seem to be suggesting that I am defending Djodref when I think he is quite possibly mafia? Please think before you post. @ yamato You still think I could be mafia ? Anything I've done yesterday that have confirmed your read ? | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:59 yamato77 wrote: Djodref what do you think about Oats? I think he has done better lately. He showed that he could be open-minded and participates in the discussion. He is also trying to figure things out and presents original reads, like his case on gonzaw. The fact that he is hanging out in the thread right now is a good sign for me. So I'm less sure about my previous scum read on him. I don't think we should lynch him tomorrow. We have bigger fish to fry and we need to give him the chance to redeem himself by improving his contributions if he is town. | ||
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On January 23 2013 07:20 Toadesstern wrote: disagree on that one btw. The first one could just as well be a "see guys? I'M DOING SOMETHING!" I can easily see reasoning for posts like that as both mafia and town. This kind of "Why is everyone ignoring me ?" post is the best thing to post to get actually ignored. I did it when I rolled scum in Witchcraft and nobody paid attention to me when I was trying to bus my partner. | ||
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