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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:11 sandroba wrote: I'd rather not till he gives us something. I don't want to look bad for defending scum again =P No, please do so right now. You said you found tidbits already in his filter, so you can talk about what you found. I'd like to know before he posts too much more, actually. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:09 sandroba wrote: GET NINJA'ED BITCH. Yes I didn't read any of his posts until you quoted it. I just noticed they were big, badly formated and plenty and moved on. noooooooooooooooooooooo I tried reading his posts, but I couldn't quite understand some of what he was saying. The problem is that some of his reads/posts are really strange if you take the time to read them. He doesn't seem to take very strong stances and he seems to degrade his own play quite a lot. I'm not sure if it's simply because he is newer (is he?) or because he's scum. He did direct a larger post full of questions at you at some point, and his effort to understand the game is a plus. The only reason I bring this up is because in my reread of the game I have come to a point where I need to cross certain names off of my suspect list and I cannot really find great reasons to consider them town or scum either way. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 22 2013 00:11 annul wrote: i find it funny that my analyses and accusations have gone completely ignored On January 22 2013 00:25 annul wrote: if they are so bad, then attack them. that's what you do when people make shit arguments. that's what i did to yours, after all. but it seems like the rest of the game are afraid to put their nuts on the line. I thought these 2 posts were pretty townie. I would think annul wouldn't mind being ignored as scum. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:15 DearestSnot wrote: noooooooooooooooooooooo I tried reading his posts, but I couldn't quite understand some of what he was saying. The problem is that some of his reads/posts are really strange if you take the time to read them. He doesn't seem to take very strong stances and he seems to degrade his own play quite a lot. I'm not sure if it's simply because he is newer (is he?) or because he's scum. He did direct a larger post full of questions at you at some point, and his effort to understand the game is a plus. The only reason I bring this up is because in my reread of the game I have come to a point where I need to cross certain names off of my suspect list and I cannot really find great reasons to consider them town or scum either way. Another explanation is that he is just crazy. I wouldn't worry about him till much later on. He seems to be putting in a lot of effort. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:17 sandroba wrote: I thought these 2 posts were pretty townie. I would think annul wouldn't mind being ignored as scum. disagree on that one btw. The first one could just as well be a "see guys? I'M DOING SOMETHING!" I can easily see reasoning for posts like that as both mafia and town. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 22 2013 23:57 FiveTouch wrote: Axlegreaser, I asked you a question and I don't expect it to be ignored: Well Ok. I believe it is answered in the thread but as it is a large thread and maybe you want to know if I know why i did what I did. I did not support Chezinu on the basis of his readability. The smurf thing is derived from that orignal desire for readability and especially intentional unreadability as that is a conscious act with plausible motive, Bugs has for instance managed to walk back through the door of Smurfdom, accidentally. I don’t like that i cant ask you to do that too, it has to be an 'accident'. I could ask Chezinu to be less unreadable and less cryptic. Some of the idea on readability developed throughout the game as a preference as i found out how unreadable some people were and intentionally were and continue to be. That intention still does not sit well with me. but but but there are so many aspects to the choice... The vote for Chezinu was early. The vote was not at anytime a townie read I don't like those esp prior to n1. That was even clearer pre game I think. Ok so the vote avoided giving out an early townie read. The vote also gave me chance to asses the potential for Chezinu to be more readable. That turned out not to be so. My vote swung off Chezinu about 12 hours before the election which is usually plenty for any ripple effects might vote might have on whats the leading wagon. Also it would have been epic... but that was a dream, reality bites. So why a Chezinu vote at all, well if elected we were promised change, was the promise real? How much change? I had Chezinus response to my opening open (not closed)Question http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17557852 which 'seemed' to address things i had that as contrast to Vivaxs(?), and .... don’t remember but prplhz had the off the cuff, to me trolly opening, campaign blah blah. It was time to express some preference for something. I think his read as more real and less crafted or flippant than others. But hey I enjoy Chezinus normal posts, so I could well be biased by that. So yeah it was worth seeing where Chezinu's bid went. It didn't go where I needed it too far enough. If he was town I was sure that would still get a mayor Chezinu Lynched before his performance warranted it. Similarly to you, that ???? over your name means i cant extrapolate where the self assurance comes from and form a judgment just how good your reads are based on the past, so just what is sub par in Lynching scum from you? I got NFI. All that data i am missing. That is uncertainty... it does not go away easily. True lynching 1 of 1 is pretty much up to any standard, statistically that is unlikely to go on ,that and the decision I will then make is my concern. I could try to react less to the "oooh yeah I am guaranteed town", I am sure that would piss you off less but that would be bad thing(tm), those claims read as emotive conformation bias building to me, and I don't do absolutes, well not absolutely don't, but i try.... ah fuck? Rabbit hole. Sooo, Trust that I dont trust you? No... distrust that I "say" i don't trust you. meh. Policy: I don't trust anything especially me and my conformation biases. Reality: I am human too, honest, but I try really hard not to be. See next post or one soon depending on what i find while catching up. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:17 sandroba wrote: I thought these 2 posts were pretty townie. I would think annul wouldn't mind being ignored as scum. My experience of annul is that he doesn't like being ignored as any alignment. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Remember to send in actions to me. If I need to make a day post it will surely be delayed and I am going to stop the game if I don't get all the actions. Now off to bed. Play nice. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 04:32 FiveTouch wrote: and it wasn't even clear if I was a decent player or anything. Exactly how many words or even an extended silence do you think it takes to me get that read... and it be clear? do you guys just make this stuff up? Well that(mine) is an self contradicting statement. Clearly however it is real in the thread in the early game to read that you thought you were good. Do you honestly claim it wasnt? it was also trivial to almost instantly read you were highly familiar with the social structure of the place and who was who. Of all the short post count players... how many were not smurfs? I did suggest tongue in cheek that any non smurfs on had a short time to exit the game... So for me the smurf call was made on the basis of On January 15 2013 09:33 FiveTouch wrote: /in Now noobs do i think wander in off the street... But That Followed by stony silence. hell that set it at highly likely, non trivial smurf confident in this environment. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:18 sandroba wrote: Another explanation is that he is just crazy. I wouldn't worry about him till much later on. He seems to be putting in a lot of effort. @Sandroba. I read the mason logs. I don't at any point see in them you feeling suspicious you were being masoned bu scum. Why not? Why no apparent suspicion? | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
Since you said you said you wouldn't want a smurf due to readability why wouldn't you vote for someone like Toad who is readable instead of supporting Chez? You say that it let you see if Chez was more readable but isn't that the exact same thing as voting a smurf except with a smurf not only does it offer the same chance to read them but also offers a chance of identifying who they are (which you implied you'd like to do)? | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:08 DearestSnot wrote: wait, the first post you read from him is the last one he made? also grush what do you mean you have to go, you weren't here to begin with...lol I meant I couldn't read the thread right now I just wanted to post that. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:48 grush57 wrote: I meant I couldn't read the thread right now I just wanted to post that. why do you sign up for games when you can't play? I'd seriously love it if you got modkilled, but that's probably being a bit rude of me. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 08:24 Stutters695 wrote: So you knew he was a smurf due to his silence? Obviously we know he is one now but newbies have entered reel games before and just been overwhelmed. Not a huge deal either way though. Since you said you said you wouldn't want a smurf due to readability why wouldn't you vote for someone like Toad who is readable instead of supporting Chez? You say that it let you see if Chez was more readable but isn't that the exact same thing as voting a smurf except with a smurf not only does it offer the same chance to read them but also offers a chance of identifying who they are (which you implied you'd like to do)? Didn't know but it smelled strong. The self assurance silence takes. The first post confirmed it as did each subsequent one. All of that was very early. Why not Toad: "why wouldn't you vote for someone like Toad who is readable instead of supporting Chez?" Well becuase Toad who i suspect knows toad well asserts your claim is untrue. "I'm not geting voted into office due to paranoia (and hypno-toadish-ness) so that's sadly not an option." he says more later IIRC. My vague feeling was he was a know good scum player. Didnt vote Chez dor readbility, Voted Chez early for look see what happens. Chez stated that in Office would play differently. Smurfs purposefully in this game have no meta... they cant by my reading of the rules purposefully properly identify themselves. THis pregame post was responsive, I wanted to see where it went. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17560625 What? Is there some new unanswered question you had on your mind? or do you just want to look active? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:20 Toadesstern wrote: disagree on that one btw. The first one could just as well be a "see guys? I'M DOING SOMETHING!" I can easily see reasoning for posts like that as both mafia and town. This kind of "Why is everyone ignoring me ?" post is the best thing to post to get actually ignored. I did it when I rolled scum in Witchcraft and nobody paid attention to me when I was trying to bus my partner. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 23 2013 07:06 sandroba wrote: Honestly that's the first post I read from axle and it fits my expectancy from what I gather from the other game he played. I don't see anything wrong with it. So Will take this as no, you probably did not do whole lot of due diligence being suspicious of anyone who masoned you. Why that would be is open of course. But it sheds light on what i think of both ends of the mason and their likely hood to be town. A real time mason convo, would i thought be lovely time to get feel for genuiness, through questioning of motive intent and process. Well that is what could be done if you didnt already know. but damn you feel smooth, and damn that makes me paranoid. | ||
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Stutters695
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