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On January 22 2013 09:54 BroodKingEXE wrote: My bad guys something came up, so I had to take care of it Vote:BroodKingEXE since I have no clue what is going on. Asking for a policy lynch ? | ||
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Ok, I'm trying to see if I can deduce Chezinu alignment from what happened. Would prplhz have stated that he wanted one of his teammate dead right off the bat ? I don't think so, so I believe now that Chezinu is town, but I would like anyone to tell me that I'm wrong by thinking this way. | ||
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On January 22 2013 10:55 DearestSnot wrote: let me put it this way: why are you not trying to think for yourself? You seem to have come to a conclusion. Why is it necessary to say anything if you believe Chezinu is town? Is he under suspicion right now? I'm thinking for myself, thanks, but I don't know what to think of Chezinu alignment except for this "Chezinu's rule" apparent occurrence. And I was hoping to discuss this with people who know Chezinu better than me. Also, I think it could be good to share this with all the people who could feel insecure about Chezinu's alignment as well. | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:02 debears wrote: As I said, Djo is likely scum :D Just because I want to discuss my tentative townreads ? Where is your meta case on me by the way ? | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:10 Toadesstern wrote: I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now. He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is. Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative... I think Annul still looks bad. Let's have a look at his filter. What did he do yesterday ? He tunneled Vivax and he interacted with Axle. Not to mention that Vivax couldn't reasonably be lynched yesterday, being vocal and all, at least in my eyes. There is absolutely no mention of prplhz, and no mention of Oats as well. His tunnel on Vivax could have prevented him to voice his opinion on other subjects. That is a common scum strategy. | ||
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On January 22 2013 11:36 grush57 wrote: Hooray d1 is over an a scum got lynched. hey grush ! What are the starsenses saying ? | ||
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Annul Lynch him or Shoot him I think you should lynch annul tomorrow. I'm pretty sure annul is scum now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that town annul is a good and experienced player, so I don't understand how he can make a post against Toad which is basically an association before flip here. On January 21 2013 12:44 annul wrote: also, toad's read on vivax is pretty questionable. vivax is playing very not-pro-town right now and toad literally thinks he is "the second most confirmed town, next to himself?" waaaaaaaaaat he is slightly more on the red side of the spectrum for me right now. he accounts for like 12% of the game's posts right now, and he has put a lot of information on the table. if i am right and toad is red, it is certain that he has linked himself to other reds in the game based on his day 1 play. *snip* Also, I think that he is pretty biased regarding his read on Vivax, because he mainly focused on the "OMGUS" proposition of Vivax to lynch JieXian too much, and after that his suspicion of yamato. Things escalated pretty quickly for annul. On January 21 2013 12:34 annul wrote: as for vivax, hes tunneling the shit out of jiexian for some reason (OMGUS-based for sure)... runs for mayor, saying "i will lynch d1 who i want even if town wants someone else" and then randomly votes for sandroba for mayor soon thereafter, who isnt even running? then, yamato calls him out (like i did), and even more recently, vivax now wants to lynch yamato. does this guy do anything other than OMGUSing? On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote: conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity I think a decent case could have been made against Vivax if annul was really convinced that Vivax is mafia because there was enough content in Vivax's filter already at that point. So I don't think annul really thinks Vivax is scum, I think that annul found a convenient tunnel. Let's face it, he was running for mayor, but Vivax or Toad being lynched at the end of D1 was not reasonable objective. It's really suspicious also that he avoided to comment on prphlz or anything else really. Conclusion Annul is scum because
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I'm still waiting for your meta case on me. I'm very curious to see what you are going to come up with because I'm town. Moreover, I think that all my games are different so far. Especially my scum games.. And don't worry, I don't think that you are going to be killed for it  | ||
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He is back to the grey are of the lurkers in my sheet, with BroodExe and grush ^^ | ||
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So, regarding Vivax case + Show Spoiler [here for reference] + On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote: Please lynch JX + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: *snipped axle coherency comment* I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. *question to host and gonzaw vote* *Joking about earlier game* I took a look at what reads he meant. Written by gonz very early, probably not serious: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote: *snip Seems like sandro flipped scum again. Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town? Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with. It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized. + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote: Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread: 1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign. 2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions. It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps. There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs? In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro. However, in the next post: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious. I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made. Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol. I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence. He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said. + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote: Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy? Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters? As you see in the first post in this quotechain, Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor. Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it). Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him. These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads. More or less like this one in the second post after: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote: I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking. What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says? Vivax mind explaining? He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote: Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell. The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose. Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now. As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro. JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw). He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw. No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote: didn't even realize he has posted yet :p Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now. JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then? + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote: I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post. Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective: + Show Spoiler + On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote: Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping. Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum? Vivax shows that this stance was certainly fake, because JieXian doesn't show consistency with this first stance. One other thing I noted is that JieXian implied that Vivax was town in this post, when he says the reasons why he is not going to vote for Vivax. For me, being suspicious of one guy is a good reason enough not to vote him, but JieXian justifies himself by saying that Vivax has bad reads. So Vivax is town, but wouldn't be a good mayor because he has bad reads, not because he is scum, as JieXian should believe. I think we have kind of a scumslip here. On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why I'm not voting for Vivax mayor. If Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill. From the same post, his defense from sandroba attack is also very scummy. On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote: *snip* >_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player. [b]Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it. *snip* How would the fact that it is his first Mayor game explain his strange first post ? I think he is playing the newbie card here somehow. Please also note the passive-aggressive way he answers to sandroba, saying that sandroba is attacking him because JieXian was suspicious of him first. Another thing not speaking in favor of JieXian is his activity level. He had at least 3 pages at the end of D1 in Witchcraft Mini Mafia (town JieXian filter in WC MM) where he was much more annoying and persistent with his reads. I didn't see him here promote anybody of his own by the way. | ||
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On January 22 2013 23:36 Vivax wrote: @ Djodref Do you think he's scummier than annul? @ Oats If you are confused by my case, then you should read it again. It rather confuses me that you summarize it like that and put it apart. @ Vivax JieXian could be a fucking lynch bait. He was town in WitchCraft Mini Mafia and I could write the perfect case against him (me being scum of course). But he is sure scummy enough to deserve a lynch in this game. The way he plays here is also different. He was really persistent and very frontal with his reads in WitchCraft. All in all, I think that annul has more chances to flip scum than JieXian, so I prefer to lynch annul tomorrow. @ Oats Well, I was trying to point out JieXian contradiction. The reason JieXian invokes for not voting Vivax as mayor implies that Vivax is town (him having bad reads and all). But JieXian said before that he was suspicious of Vivax, so I don't understand why he needs this reason not to vote him, and it also looks like JieXian was referring to a town Vivax at this point. So, maybe a scumslip. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:11 Vivax wrote: @ Djodref I like your case , I will support an annul lynch tomorrow if JX doesn't get lynched. I kinda had my doubts about you to be honest, but your latest contributions made me change my mind. I am also quite interested in debears and mkfuba for their lurky, passive-aggressive style, we shouldn't forget Chezinu either for trying to stop Toad from being elected. What do you think about them? Going to a birthday, I'll be back one or two hours before deadline. I think Chezinu is town because of the Chezinu rule ^^ Also I think we should wait for D3 or more simply for him being killed if he is town to decide what to do with him. I'm waiting for debears to contribute more. He is supposed to have a meta case against me. Slightly scummy, but mainly for being not active. While it is true it was the case in LVIII, I don't think he would do the same as in that game again. I didn't pay any attention to mkfuba so far, and I don't remind his posts, which is not a good sign. But I'll do that tomorrow | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Djo, can you explain how the Chezinu rule makes Chezinu town? Chezinu had prplhz quite early as scum because of the "Chezinu rule". He was campaigning on a prplhz lynch as well by the way. So either town Chezinu genuinely used his rule to nail prplhz as scum, either they plotted this together, but I don't even see how it could have helped Chezinu to get the mayor or sheriff seat for real the way it happens. It's not like prplhz would be confirmed scum before the flip. Anyway, we should keep it simple, so Chezinu is most certainly town, and on top of that there is nothing making think he could be mafia in his filter (it is rather the opposite), and anyway we shouldn't care too much about him since he is usually starting to help town or whatever he does as scum starting D3 or later. | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:56 yamato77 wrote: What do you think a question about Chezinu is going to reveal about Djo's alignment? Why do you seem to be suggesting that I am defending Djodref when I think he is quite possibly mafia? Please think before you post. @ yamato You still think I could be mafia ? Anything I've done yesterday that have confirmed your read ? | ||
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On January 23 2013 00:59 yamato77 wrote: Djodref what do you think about Oats? I think he has done better lately. He showed that he could be open-minded and participates in the discussion. He is also trying to figure things out and presents original reads, like his case on gonzaw. The fact that he is hanging out in the thread right now is a good sign for me. So I'm less sure about my previous scum read on him. I don't think we should lynch him tomorrow. We have bigger fish to fry and we need to give him the chance to redeem himself by improving his contributions if he is town. | ||
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On January 23 2013 07:20 Toadesstern wrote: disagree on that one btw. The first one could just as well be a "see guys? I'M DOING SOMETHING!" I can easily see reasoning for posts like that as both mafia and town. This kind of "Why is everyone ignoring me ?" post is the best thing to post to get actually ignored. I did it when I rolled scum in Witchcraft and nobody paid attention to me when I was trying to bus my partner. | ||
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