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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#98
I'd play if you have me. /in
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 26 2013 13:55 GMT
#117
Hey new game first post from me.
Lots of old faces, ill definitely will try to be more active this time around.

My stance to LAL is: that we should first try to lynch scumreads -> scummy lurkers -> lurkers.

Is it possible to move the deadline to 8:00 KST? 10:00 KST is 2 AM here if my timezone converter didn't lie to me. Will be pretty hard for the europeans to be here i think.

I'll be on a big birthday party later this evening so don't expect me to be active. Sunday evening i should have a lot of time on my hands though. Till then ill try my best to squeeze some playing time in!
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 27 2013 11:47 GMT
#145
While i really didn't like warbabys town claim thingie, i doubt it's inherently scummy. His pointing fingers in every direction does remind me of mocsta in the last game, though. And i kinda fell for it so i'll be a bit more suspicious this time around!


Right now i agree with corazon, lets focus on other people:

On January 27 2013 03:16 SkaPunk wrote:
I'm here ready for this awesome game. Acid is mad already!


I'd like to put this a bit more into the spotlight, yea slayalot and sn0 already said he should contribute a bit more, i agree. He really needs to put something forth. Since hes here and ready for this awesome game...
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 27 2013 20:22 GMT
#156
Hey i'm at work now (i work nights). I'm usually able to play, but there are some nights when the wifi doesn't work or i'll have my hands full.
So i'll cast my vote just to be sure.

##Vote: SkaPunk

He posted but his post was useless, could have at least said if he thought LAL is a good idea and that he's busy rest of the day.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 00:59 GMT
#167
On January 28 2013 09:20 zarepath wrote:
Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose.

Just saying.



Exactly what i thought about. Won't let myself get swayed this time and will stick to Ska.

He clearly knew he was in the game, and we gave him enough time to post again.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 05:29 GMT
#175
Ok my shift is over.
I'd like to summarize the votes:
first vote of the game zare votes Afking (lurker)
warbaby votes skapunk (oneliner)
sn0 also votes skapunk
cora votes abenson (lurker)
slayalot votes skapunk
glurio votes skapunk
warbaby unvotes skapunk, votes abenson
abenson isnt in the game -> warbaby votes afking
cora votes skapunk
skapunk dies flips VT

With 3 people not voting there is less then ideal information but i think we can get something out of those votes.
What strikes me as odd is warbabys voting pattern: first one voting for skapunk, then jumping off to another lurker? Why? And why did you not go back to skapunk after abenson was out?

I'll leave you with this question and will go to sleep. Probably gonna sleep long so don't expect me to respond till the evening, good night.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 16:55 GMT
#192
On January 29 2013 01:42 warbaby wrote:
That was an awesome post Zare. I will review the thread with what you've said in mind.

Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 00:30 Sn0_Man wrote:I had noticed that Abenson was in fact glurio


How could you possibly have known this? Before stutter's PSA, there was not a single post in the entire thread indicating that abenson was glurio. Did someone tell you in the scum QT?

And if you did know this as you claim, why the fuck didn't you point it out as soon as Corazon voted for abenson? Ambiguity like this is only going to hurt town, if you're town you should be trying to clear stuff like this up, ASAP. Not pulling it out 12 hours later like it's evidence in a case.


Do you even read the thread before making baseless accusations?
He was gone before cora voted for abenson.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 17:18 GMT
#197
I'd like to have some thoughts from acid and slayalot on the situation.

And i still want to highlight warbabys vote switching to afking instead of skapunk, isn't it basically the same thing with coras voting for the only lurker who nobody so far voted for zarepath? His reason is he wanted to draw an reaction, since it didn't work with skapunk.
He wanted to draw an reaction from someone who never posted in the thread, probably forgot about the game as soon as he registered himself for it. So now that he's sure skapunk dies he can make an easy switch. Well shame for him abenson wasn't in the game. Why not vote for Skapunk again few minutes before the lynch? The chance of drawing an reaction in that time span is really non-existant.
I just want everyones opinion on this.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 17:46 GMT
#203
Sn0: few comments on coras case

I really like that he called him out on his inconsistencies. (friendly sparring -> going berserk, 1/3 chance -> no chance)
But all in all most of zares analysis is just that, calling out inconcistencies.
While i believe this is good information, some stuff is probably just overblown to get a point across. (the friendly sparring to going berserk, i think cora just wanted to make a point)

What i found really striking was this though:
On January 28 2013 08:05 zarepath wrote:
I think that it's out of character for Corazon to be speculating so severely as to the hypothetical spread of mafia among lurkers and the possibilities of replacements. And to knowingly break rules and ask for mods to tell him he's breaking a rule instead of just looking it up when he's unsure if he's breaking the rule or not.


and i really didn't like the vote post of cora especially the last sentence:
On January 28 2013 03:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'll cover that base WB.

##Vote: Abenson

If these are the three mafia their coach must be ridiculously annoyed.


Can't put my finger on it, but it really sounds scummy to me.

I'll try to post more after cooking and eating dinner.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 28 2013 22:30 GMT
#221
Well you join with a bang acid.

I want to add some stuff before the night is over:

I think warbaby tries to take advantage of the Mocsta situation.
He said he observed the last game, so he knows how mocsta played. Also a lot of people from this game are playing again.
What i thought about was this post:
On January 28 2013 09:20 zarepath wrote:
Someone being obviously scummy Day 1 in a newbie game and yet still being scummy is not unheard of; in my last two newbie games, the two most scummy lurkers were scum all along, but we jumped off of them both times because we were sure they couldn't be THAT scummy on purpose.

Just saying.


warbaby is well aware of that, so he tries to emulate mocstas style, because who would think scum actually emulates a scum player from the game before it, with lots of the same players who would all recognize it?
I hope i get my point across.

This will be all for me today have to sleep.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 29 2013 23:55 GMT
#340
Sorry about me being not here. Had a really busy day.

My response to warbaby:

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2013 04:13 warbaby wrote:
In list form due to popular demand. (That "popular demand" bit was also a joke, in case you got confused, Sn0. Let me know if you need help tying your shoes or anything.).

Warbaby's case on Glurio
1) Most of glurio's posts are backing up someone else's stated opinion, although he does add some of his own analysis. First he backed me on Acid~, then he backed Sn0_man against me. I think this makes it look like he's not doing his best to think for himself.
1.a) A majority of glurio's posts are backing up sn0_man and tunneling me, but he never explains why he thinks sn0 is town (assuming they are collaborating as town, not scum). Does glurio think sn0_man is town, and what evidence is that based on? I'd like Glurio to respond to this.
2) Glurio's D1 vote on SkaPunk was kind of pointless, and could be seen as bussing Ska. Ska was already set to be lynched when glurio voted Ska, so I'm not sure if glurio was really helping us pressure Ska, or just voting to make sure town Ska got lynched.
3) We're well into D2, and glurio's filter is less than a page long. This level of contribution is not going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio.

Now that I've made a case on someone other than Sn0 and Acid~, maybe Sn0 and Acid~ can make a case on someone other than me.

They're tunneling me hardcore, it's hypocritical for Sn0 criticize me for tunneling at the same time.

Also, Sn0 I agree with your last paragraph there. That's exactly why I think what Slayalot is doing is not scummy. But Acid~ failed to vote D1. That's against the rules and anti-town. 12 hours is ok like you say. 24 is not.



1) I never backed you on acid. Never backed sn0s case against you, he might have had some similar points, but most of my stuff i found myself. While i did later use some stuff zare and acid brought up, this was much later in the game.

1a) Yes, i actually believe sn0 to be town. His posts look like solid scumhunting. He never went on a personal level, got too emotional. Also he seems to have the same read on you as i do. Scum btw. He was in the last game with mocsta and draws the same parallel between your play and his.

2) For this point i'll first quote you. + Show Spoiler +
On January 28 2013 00:39 warbaby wrote:
Also, I'm with Glurio.

##Vote: SkaPunk

SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute.


Remember my first post: scumread -> scummy lurker -> lurker. He classified as scummy lurker, so i voted for him.

3) You are right, i really should step up and post more.

As i see it right now there are two major suspects: Acid and warbaby.


##FoS: warbaby

He doesn't seem to put in the effort to actually read before accusing. He has already multiple posts of "oh well too tired to read clearly" "oh i didn't catch that" "got the time mixed up" as soon as someone calls him out on his mistakes.
Then theres the whole mocsta meta kinda thing i think he has going on. Although he copies mocsta not very good, he seems to try. He now trys to earn town cred by suddenly being nice to his no. 1 scumread, sn0. Whilst discrediting acid.

Since i'm pretty tired right now ill promise to look at acid tomorrow.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 30 2013 15:15 GMT
#348
As promised my thoughts on acid:

Most of his recent posts are discrediting his attackers (cora/warbaby). He likes to lash out and tries to draw reactions with it. And it works.
His case against warbaby seems solid, although it wasn't warbabys math that was off, it was coras.
He does get quite emotional in his defense. I do find his reason for not giving a second scum candidate off quite shady, though. You could just tell us what would change in case he flips what.
His prime target is warbaby always was and he really wants to kill him. Which is in my opinion totally understandable.
It's also pretty obvious who his second scumread is at the moment. I'll quote it for convenience sake:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2013 08:23 Acid~ wrote:
Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion?

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2013 08:29 Acid~ wrote:
My goal was to get people talking about the case, that's what people do. But, I have to give you credit: your conveniently timed "argument" with Corazon managed to pull attention away from the case and bury it behind five pages of useless bullshit.

Right now he seems to have the same read as myself on both those guys.
So all in all i've got a town read on acid. His unwillingness to unvote or budge an inch on his opinion gives me a town vibe.
For the unlikely event that warbaby actually flips town the spotlight will no doubt switch to himself.

Now I wanna change to a different person: zarepath.

What I found really odd was that his contributions really are much different from the last game we played, he used to do really long cases or lists so far we haven’t seen anything like this apart from a minor case on cora N1 he really didn’t contribute much so far. If it’s due to RL obligations or not I don’t know. I just wanna highlight it in hope he’ll contribute more to it.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 30 2013 16:07 GMT
#359
On January 31 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote:

Why I'm not voting for Warbaby:
+ Show Spoiler +
Warbaby's erratic behavior made me very suspicious at first, I must admit. However, his brashness and unwilling to unvote Acid (even though voting for him early is a terrible idea) actually gave me a better feeling that he was town. The biggest thing that a scum has to worry about is their reputation with the rest of the town. A scum knows that he has to make sure no one else thinks he is scum so he can push his agenda forward and not be under suspicion. A town player would not care how others think about them because he knows he is town and has nothing to hide. Warbaby's behavior has seemed to follow these ideals. If he was scum, he would've listened to me and halted his aggression way before he did. The FoS definitely would've been enough for him to listen to me. Scum are afraid of getting lynched, so even threatening a vote would be enough to shut a scum down. Since it didn't phase WB, I believe that he is town not being afraid of his image in order to get the scum lynched. On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go.



I'd like to quote a few things from acid:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 30 2013 09:01 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 08:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
On January 30 2013 08:43 Acid~ wrote:
On January 30 2013 08:41 cDgCorazon wrote:
On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today.


And I suggest you don't be an asshole to someone who is making a case against you if you want them to un-vote you somewhere down the road.


Why? Is this a fucking popularity contest? If you're too stupid to make your decisions based on logic and just vote/unvote based on who's the nice guy, why the fuck would I want anything to do with you?


The problem is, the logic is not there.


It is there. You have not made an analysis of my case to tell me why it was wrong. You have not responded to my valid concerns about warbaby's play. You have just dismissed them saying "meh, I don't buy it" without giving reason. And now you want to discuss other people and let warbaby off the hook?
Show nested quote +


If I give you a way to earn town cred by investigating other people and then you just act like a child and say "fuck you", I'm not going to un-vote you.


The reason you want to have something to do with me is because I hold a vote. Perhaps there is one vote separating you from being in this game and being dead. Would you rather not be an asshole to people so they might listen to you, or would you rather be an abrasive douche? Which one will be more likely to save your sorry ass?


I don't care about saving my "sorry" ass, I care about finding scum. If I die today and the vote pattern or discussion reveals warbaby's scumbuddy I'm fine with it. I still win if I'm dead.


And

+ Show Spoiler +
On January 30 2013 08:23 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2013 07:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
@Acid: There are 2 scum this game. Who is scum 2.0? we are well aware of your prime scum read, who is asleep atm anyways.


Then where are we on the lynching of the first scum? I'm not going to get off warbaby's case until he flips or someone presents a stronger case on someone else. I have other scumreads but they're not as strong.

There's no value in discussing them right now. IF I'm right about warbaby then I have a solid lead on the second one. If I'm wrong, then I have a different lead.

Just going to leave this here for you:

Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion?



To me it seems the complete reasoning why not voting for warbaby fits acid pretty good too.
He's pushing his case and vote and doesn't care what the town thinks of him ("not a popularity contest").
And now quoting yourself: "On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go."
Fits perfectly too.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 30 2013 20:38 GMT
#413
Ok I've arrived at work. Dunno how much time i got tonight, so i vote before i get into trouble cause i can't play.


I still think warbaby has to die.
##Vote: warbaby
Another lie (i never said ska was town). Then the "my flip will blow your mind", to "its not the best move but also not the worst".
In his last posts it looks like he gave up.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 30 2013 23:11 GMT
#457
I'm sorry but i won't switch right now. His claim looks like scum trying to stay alive.
He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch.
He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak.
All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.)
Clear scum for me.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 31 2013 00:40 GMT
#548
Sorry guys. I just can't bring myself to believe warbabys claim.

I do think sn0 tells the truth though. He was always town in my mind. So i stick with my guts and my read on warbaby.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 31 2013 00:43 GMT
#552
Always thought its you and cora, but that isn't likely now. So probably you and slay or cake. Zare might be but i don't know. He's stepping up his game in day2.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 31 2013 18:00 GMT
#630
Wow damn, i'm sorry warbaby. I really thought he was scummy as hell, all his playing didn't make any sense to me.

Right now i've see the situation like this:
Either cake and slay or sn0 with slay/cora/cake are the scum.

What favors team lurker in my opinion is: no kill in the N1, so both lurkers really didn't send an action in.
Also slays play in the beginning was scummy as hell. (Always points out he's noob town, who wants to be recognised as noob? No one will listen, it just doesn't make sense in my eyes.)
Cake conveniently became active just before the D2 Lynch. Seeing his, mostly inactive, scum buddy parked on the claimed medic. So he tried to get him lynched earning him a ton of town cred. Either way he would win.

Now what i believe is more likely: sn0 is scum.
Gambling with claiming cop and just one minute to late to unvote, what a shame! Could have unvoted 5 minutes earlier if u wanted, you were here the whole time.
You were the one who actually convinced me to keep my vote on warbaby with your whole "i don't wanna check him i wanna see him die." You didn't unvote, so i didn't. Thought the whole game you were right.
Then while warbaby claimed, confusing everybody with "the real doctor shouldn't claim blahblah" and then went to "please claim real doctor" all the while after the claim staying on warbaby with your vote.
This would either work out with cora, his supposedely N1 target who could be either town or scum who's just in this whole charade or one of the lurkers. Who also parked his vote on warbaby and left to go do "work", but has time 20 minutes after the lynch to sneak in a message? Just before the lynch i'm sure there wasn't time to unvote.

For me sn0 right now is clearly scum.

Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
January 31 2013 22:02 GMT
#636
There is nothing hilarious about it. You turned out to be scum.
Your bullshit cop gamble seems to have paid off. So whoever you “check“ tonight will turn out red followed by another orchestrated mislynch by you. You and whoever is your scumteam will win.

Already said the double lurker no-action scenario is the unlikely one cake.
I'll try to narrow my candidates down tomorrow. Don't have time today last exam tomorrow wanna sleep early. So i'm off for the night.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 01 2013 13:03 GMT
#665
On February 01 2013 11:40 cakepie wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On February 01 2013 10:00 zarepath wrote:
It's possible you should no-lynch tomorrow so you have the time to MAKE Sn0 either make two reads, or be lynched again by scum and still be in a good spot.


What do people think about this? Do you think that if we no-lynch today, scum will have to kill Sn0 with the N3 nightkill?

I feel that:

If Sn0 is really cop, scum would be happy to let him get a check in and kill someone else instead. They can still discredit the hell out of him again on D4, it would be no different from today.

If Sn0 is scum with cop fakeclaim, he'll live through to D4 anyways <-- this possibility enables the WIFOM value above.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For now, we've already heard from glurio during N2, but Slayalot has not posted in 28 hours. So I'm going to start with this and see where it takes us with regard to my two strongest scumreads.

##Vote: Slayalot
##FoS: glurio


Reason:
On February 01 2013 04:00 cakepie wrote:
who is simply content to safely cast weak suspicions all over the place without commitment, sheep opinions that are already expressed by other players, and wagon their vote without justification.


as well as voting patterns

D1 voting

27 21:17 zarepath -> AFKing
28 00:39 warbaby -> SkaPunk
28 03:41 Sn0_Man -> SkaPunk
28 03:59 cDgCorazon -> Abenson
28 05:08 Slayalot -> SkaPunk
28 05:22 glurio -> SkaPunk

28 08:35 warbaby -> Abenson
28 09:37 warbaby -> AFKing
28 09:55 cDgCorazon -> SkaPunk





D2 voting

As at Slayalot's 31 Jan 07:02 KST vote:
29 10:46 Acid -> warbaby
29 11:02 warbaby -> Acid
29 15:30 warbaby -> -none-
30 02:38 Sn0_Man -> warbaby
30 07:57 cDgCorazon -> Acid
31 00:34 zarepath -> warbaby
31 03:06 warbaby -> Slayalot
31 05:38 glurio -> warbaby
31 06:31 zarepath -> -none-
31 06:37 warbaby -> glurio
31 07:02 Slayalot -> warbaby
[...]

warbaby (4): Acid, Sn0, zarepath, glurio, Slayalot



Look at sn0s voting pattern and don't just cherry pick what fits your agenda.

also

On February 01 2013 04:00 cakepie wrote:
who is simply content to safely cast weak suspicions all over the place without commitment, sheep opinions that are already expressed by other players, and wagon their vote without justification.
[/spoiler]

Since N1 i thought warbaby was scum, clearly explained in nearly all my posts. I was the first one to bring up warbabys odd vote pattern D1. That also should explain my vote on D2. I never casted weak suspicion i casted strong one right at warbaby. I also believed sn0s claim and not warbabys. And i clearly commited myself to warbaby.

And why i'm now getting more active? Pretty simple really: i don't want to lose, especially not to some bullshit gamble like sn0s fake claim. If we are led to believe his claim he will easily be able to bring us to another mislynch, like he did with warbaby before.
Don't believe Sn0 he is lying scum.

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On February 01 2013 07:02 glurio wrote:
There is nothing hilarious about it. You turned out to be scum.
Your bullshit cop gamble seems to have paid off. So whoever you “check“ tonight will turn out red followed by another orchestrated mislynch by you. You and whoever is your scumteam will win.

Already said the double lurker no-action scenario is the unlikely one cake.
I'll try to narrow my candidates down tomorrow. Don't have time today last exam tomorrow wanna sleep early. So i'm off for the night.


Of course after i called out he couldn't find a red one.

I don't believe a no-lynch is a good option we should just lynch Sn0.
If we don't lynch him today he'll just kill one of his town reads who is actually town and we are in the same position with 3-2 instead of 4-2 against Sn0s scum team.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 01 2013 20:09 GMT
#675
Nice try Sn0scum. I'd much rather consolidate on you so you and your scumteam loses.

He killed warbaby, cora. Thats what makes me believe hes the clearest scum in the game.
Never thought someone would make such a blatant gamble and actually might get through with it.
Sn0 is scum, don't believe him!
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 01 2013 20:16 GMT
#676
Even his question to the mods is such a joke. It's obvious you're not allowed to suicide, nice way trying to fool us into thinking youre a real cop.

Even asking for no-lynch is stupid. Already explained how sn0 will go on with the cop claiming shit. Next night he'll just kill the actual townie he "checked". "See guys, i was right all along!"

How can you explain your vote history sn0? Killing the town medic? Not even trying to defend yourself. Seems to be scum 101, just ignore every accusation and ramble on about your crazy scumreads.

I have to go to a party now. Will post more tomorrow. Have a good night everyone. Don't believe Sn0. Look at his actions not only what crazy shit he says in this thread.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 02 2013 14:38 GMT
#691
Ok slept well, cooled down. Time to write something.



On February 02 2013 05:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Hmm, my vote history is identical to glurio's. Fascinating how incriminating MY vote history is.


Right. It's just as incriminating as mine or slays, which i thought cakepie should've also highlighted. So i did highlight it in a fitting color.


I narrowed it down to sn0/cora scumteam.
Let's now look at some posts of our sadly deceased fellows:

warbaby:
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On January 31 2013 06:26 warbaby wrote:
Glurio's posting is flaccid. He plays like a terrified scum or someone who needs testosterone treatment.

Sn0 plays like a scum trying really hard and doing a decent job.

If cora is scum town is fucked. Watch this guy.

Obviously I think zare is town.

Process of elimination. QED.

Acid is the x factor which lowers the probability of my reads. Oh I do hate him so.


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On January 31 2013 08:29 warbaby wrote:
Biggest problem I have with this, is that Cora is the only one I suggested might be playing a good scum game.

If zarepath is scum (which means there is a JK and I did *not* save Zare N1), and he anticipates that town is at least partially swinging in my favor, then this is an easy mislynch for zarepath.

I want to hear others' thoughts on this.



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On January 31 2013 08:41 warbaby wrote:
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On January 31 2013 08:33 zarepath wrote:
warbaby, I was the first to unvote you (as far as I can tell). I'm also putting myself way out here for Corazon.


OK. We still cannot assume scum failed to make an action N1. So I have a 80% town - (some random probability of no N1 action) read on you.

This is just barely enough to make me vote with you. That and the fact that Cora's current vote makes no sense to me -- confusion is the tool of scum.

But if you're wrong, and cora flips town, then you and I are in some serious shit. I'm probably dying anyway, though, in the night kill. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

##Unvote: Slayalot
##Vote: cdgCorazon

(I'm still interested in LAL on Slay, but since I am basically all-in, I need to trust my town read on zarepath.)


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On January 31 2013 08:47 warbaby wrote:
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On January 31 2013 06:26 warbaby wrote:
If cora is scum town is fucked. Watch this guy.


I really believe this. Cora accuses Acid of being shady, but I feel now it's Cora who is most shady in this game.


And shadyness is definitely scummy.



zarepath:

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On January 31 2013 22:57 zarepath wrote:
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On January 31 2013 14:05 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm sorry Zare, but this post of yours disturbs me.

On January 31 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
Glurio looks scummiest right now -- I have no idea why Cora and Sn0 parked their votes thusly, but Glurio isn't "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim.



I'm referring to how Cora and Sn0 are "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim, but Glurio ISN'T. I am still not entirely certain about Sn0's cop claim, but if you assume its truth, then Glurio looks the scummiest. It's pretty straightforward.



and last his will:

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On February 01 2013 10:00 zarepath wrote:
If Sn0_Man is not killed, I really suggest that you look at his filter, and the thread leading up to his cop claim. He only cop claimed after Cora was under a lot of attack and Acid is the one who suggested that he was breadcrumbing and cop claiming before he actually cop claimed -- and his earlier posts make it seem as though he didn't know the setup blue possibilities despite bieng cop. His breadcrumbs aren't entirely justified.

And his late post seems SUPER scummy. The thing is, I can totally see and understand a scum team realizing that if they don't do something, they're pretty much done for, and they ahve to take the 1-in-3 chance (closer to 1-in-2 because there was no evidence of a JK) to cop claim. It wasn't really meditated; Acid kind of just forced him into it (incidentally), and it was worth the risk.

It's possible you should no-lynch tomorrow so you have the time to MAKE Sn0 either make two reads, or be lynched again by scum and still be in a good spot.



So both towns who had a suspicion of sn0/cora scumteam are dead. How convenient.
Why would a scumteam not consisting of sn0/cora kill zare instead of the claimed cop? Since it seems like everyone just believes sn0 without doubting him a bit, save cake who i truly believe is town right now.

##Vote: Sn0

I didn't vote before because i wanted some more input on my theory. Yeah might be a mistake i just wanted everyone to read, and respond. Hardly anyone did except sn0/cora who are the accused.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 02 2013 15:43 GMT
#692
Nearly forgot this little gem of a scumslip!

On February 02 2013 16:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On February 02 2013 07:35 Sn0_Man wrote:
3) I believe the logic is that if I'm scum, so are you. Reason being I cop-claimed for no reason except to save you.


Well since I know I am town, I'm certain that you are Cop.

I'm going to vote for Glurio because of all the arguments above (voting history, activity level) and the fact that his arguments aren't good enough to convince me that Sn0 is town (the emotional "Sn0scum" BS is ridiculously suspicious as well).

##Vote: Glurio

A scum flip on Glurio would basically confirm everything about Sn0 and all of the webs interlinking with that (I'll save association cases for after the lynch).

Still waiting on some contribution from Acid and Slay.

I'll also have only 2 hours tomorrow to post and read stuff, so this is basically locking in my vote.

Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#747
On February 03 2013 07:52 Sn0_Man wrote:
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On February 03 2013 07:40 cakepie wrote:
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On February 03 2013 07:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
Immediately post-night 2, glurio comes out swinging because he knows he *has* to discredit me or he loses. He makes more in-depth posts than ever before and they are extremely tunnelled on me (admittedly mine are equally tunnelled on him). After basically blowing his cover (since his previous excuse was basically bad/lazy town), he retreats into hiding hoping the seeds of doubt he has sown blossom and grow. He has flung his shit and has no real content to provide so he resumes lurking. And over the course of this day, instead of clearing stuff up, the rest of town decides that it wants to lynch... Corazon? what is up here? There is no possible way from any perspective that corazon is the right lynch. However, cakepie's obsession with "playing the game" have resulted in more uncertainty and lack of clarity. If you choose to believe that glurio is just a lazy townie, then explain his outburst post-N2, especially how well he grasped my options as cop and how scum could abuse them to make me look scummy. He clearly had spent a ton of time thinking on it and working through the possibilities. Not really consisted with lazy town IMO, but very consistent with lurky scum.


See, this is the sort of thing I wanted sooner.

I'm pretty sure I made these arguments sooner.

On February 03 2013 07:40 cakepie wrote:
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On February 03 2013 07:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
I don't know what else to say. There is no playing left for me. I have solved the game, provided as much info to you as possible, and now I await the jury's choice.


The jury needs convincing. You have to bring other evidence besides a policeman's testimony.
Oh really? Glurio runs up and screams "SNO IS SCUM GUYS", uses red text, then disappears. I make reasoned posts and lay the game out for you so that it is as simple as humanly possible. Good thing we wish to ignore the fuck out of me and just believe glurio. You are really pissing me off.



How is my last post just running and screaming? One of it's quotes is the last will of the voice of reason.
He posted it at 10:00 so tough luck for sn0.

Why i made a big ass post and didn't do before? Because i finally saw through your scheme. All that fakeclaiming and stuff.
And i don't wanna lose to such a gamble, already said that before.

I disappeared because it's saturday evening sorry for being busy. I made sure i was back before lynch and i am. You can ask me anything.

I still believe cora and Sn0 is the scumteam. If you vote for me we'll have another mislynch on our hands.

I'd be down to lynch cora since both of em are sure scum, it's the only combination we have left.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 02 2013 23:55 GMT
#748
Just read coras and sn0s filter without believing sn0s fakeclaim for a while.
It should make things very clear.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 00:09 GMT
#749
Sn0 has shown no single argument why i should be scum except "i figured the game out" or "thats the only possible combination".
How can you believe such weak evidence when you got so much evidence against him and cora?
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 00:38 GMT
#752
Acid: do you truly believe cora and sn0 are town? How can you not vote for a person you believe is scum?

cake: so what is it you want? If you believe sn0s lies you will mislynch. I have no idea how he thought his fakeclaim gamble is a good idea, but it worked out for him which is utter bullshit if you ask me.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 00:46 GMT
#755
There was no blind wagoning from my side.
warbaby cast the first vote after quoting me.
And i was suspicious of warbaby from N1, it took a while to cast my vote but i was simply busy doing rl stuff.


No, i mean the countless posts acid holds with evidence against cora for example.
Or how incredible scummy sn0s filter looks if you just don't believe his fakeclaim.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 02:36 GMT
#764
GG. I tried!
Nah, i had 3 votes on me slay wasn't there so really no chance on winning except i got 2 townies on my side.
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 02:36 GMT
#765
Thanks for hosting!
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glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 10:11 GMT
#798
Scum actions were N1: rolecop Sn0, kill zare. Should have been the other way around. Might have given us a chance in winning.
Whether you think you can, or think you can't, you're right. - Henry Ford
glurio
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany597 Posts
February 03 2013 23:06 GMT
#804
Thanks for that post marvel.

I'd like to apologize to everyone for me being so inactive. I actually was lurking a lot this game. After the last game i wanted to contribute much more but rolled scum and often was too scared to post. Because everything i wrote up sounded incredibly scummy or stupid, so i didn't. Since most of town were killing each other anyway. I'll try to make the next game more fun for everyone.
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