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On January 23 2013 06:11 warbaby wrote: more than halfway full! Greetings SkaPunk, Sn0_Man, Acid~, and zarepath. I've enjoyed observing your play in Newbie XXXV (excepting SkaPunk of course). Hopefully this game won't have any smurf replacement/modkill drama! I now realize that all this time, we'd been playing in the spotlight. If I had known, I would've kept my pants on. | ||
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On January 26 2013 15:03 warbaby wrote: You're both right that aggression is useful for scumhunting when applied logically. It's also useful for crapping up the thread and distracting attention away from scumbuddies. We can deal with that when/if it happens. Acid~, your first post in XXXV was a lot more useful. I also had four or five pages of thread to analyze, it's illogical to expect the same kind of post when there's not even half a page yet. My original post said "being a jerk for no reason"; scumhunting is a good reason. Snoman already made this exact point. Is there a good reason you made this rather pointless post? Why would you assume I automatically agree with Snoman, especially without knowing either of our alignments? | ||
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On January 26 2013 22:31 warbaby wrote: Why didn't you wait until there were 5 pages to review in this game before posting, then? Nobody forced you to make a 2 sentence post that sounds like a scum trying to blend in. Your assertion here is appears reasonable, but in fact this is a lame excuse. Because there was a discussion going on where two people had stated their opinion on an issue and I wanted to chime in with mine. I feel that's a perfectly valid reason to post. I assumed you agreed with snoman because you literally made the same point as snoman, just worded differently. Snoman also said some more stuff, which I feel contributed to the thread. What I think about your alignment is irrelevant to whether you made a quality first post, so I interpret this as a strawman. Are you dense or just vomiting words for the sake of it? You couldn't know my position until I mentioned it. If you think it's not valuable to know where people stand on issues, why the fuck would you make your first post specifically about issues? I'm still willing to believe I'm misinterpreting your posts. Please explain how you were contributing to the thread or why you felt the need to make such an effort-lacking first post (breaking with your recent town meta). If you were literally just being lazy, and felt the need to post something, then say so. If you felt you actually did contribute something that hadn't been said already, then I'll just have to take your world for it. And I'm not willing to believe you're doing anything but cluttering the thread with nonsense at this point, whether it's intentional or not. | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:16 warbaby wrote: I'd like to get this flawless town victory started by suggesting some ideas to promote a healthy town atmosphere:
GLHF everyone This reads a lot to me like a combination of Mocsta and Spag from XXXV: trying hard to look town ("flawless town victory"), pushing for LAL, and claiming a desire to promote a "healthy" town atmosphere, notably by discouraging agression. On January 27 2013 10:45 warbaby wrote: I don't agree. If someone pretends to scumhunt convincingly, they should appear to be the same as someone who is actually scumhunting. Just because Mocsta pretended effectively (for a while) in XXXV does not mean I'm doing the same thing. The way I see it, the only thing I can do to further address your other concerns is to play solid town, without being overly aggressive and feeding into your criticism. This seems reasonable so I'll give it a shot, unless you have a better suggestion, or some direct questions for me. Your point B is not possible for me to address further. You've made your point here, I gave my explanation before I realized I had broken the rules. Can we leave it at that? It seems like warbaby is trying really hard to be everybody's friend. He also claims he's trying to scumhunt, whereas Mocsta was only pretending, but where is the actual scumhunting? I see a lot of theoreticals, of talking about scumhunting and also a whole lot of defending his play trying to point out how he's not like Mocsta. If you are town and actually scumhuting, you don't need to claim it, it will show through your actions. And one of the ways it will show is you will not be afraid to pressure people. Warbaby has poked left and right at several different people, but it's been lukewarm. I don't see him inhabited by the righteous fire someone in his position should have. Except when he's talking about lurkers and urging people to post more. This is interesting because in a game where scum are active, targetting lurkers is a win-win strategy as you get to appear town while setting up a safe vote (you have plausible deniability - "hey sure he flipped town but he was a lurker, so essentially playing for scum!" On January 28 2013 00:28 warbaby wrote: Great point. I'm offering to cool my jets (for now) because I think sn0man has a legitimate complaint about controlling town. I totally don't agree with sn0man that scum hunting D1 is "rich", though. Would he prefer scum get a free pass D1? I would like others' take on this. Maybe there's someone else that sn0man would allow to scumhunt, without accusing them of being a Mocsta doppelganger? I didn't forget about you. You were manner enough to explain why your contributions were going to be thin D1. And the posts you are making are good. I don't like this because, again, it seems like trying too hard to be really friendly, on top of that he acts like he has a good excuse to stop being active and if anyone calls him on it, he can just say "weeell, snoman said I was too controlling so I'm just trying to be nice, you know, I'm a really nice guy really, I'm so nice I couldn't possibly be a scummy scum scum." On January 28 2013 00:39 warbaby wrote: Also, I'm with Glurio. ##Vote: SkaPunk SkaPunk has demonstrated that he is in fact capable of using the post box. Maybe if we pressure him some more, he'll actually contribute. But you're NOT pressuring him. Just making a vote is not pressure. You didn't ask him anything. You just parked your vote on a lurker. Safe play. On January 28 2013 04:53 warbaby wrote: I will certainly not be annoyed if we lynch a lurker and they flip scum. I don't think this will happen D1 though, due to the scum team's information advantage. Going by statistics it's most probable one of the 3 lurkers is scum, if one assumes lurkers are evenly distributed. There is a 1/3rd chance, if you assume scum is evenly distributed among the lurkers. I'm not sure this is a totally valid assumption, although it probably makes more sense than all of the lurkers being scum. This is wrong. In a 9 player setup with 2 scum and 3 lurkers, assuming even distribution, then we have 2/9 chances of lynching scum by choosing a player at random, whether we lynch a lurker or not. Lynching a lurker is only advantageous if you know that scum are more likely to lurk than to be active. But you can't know that. Well, not if you're town. If you're scum and you *know* that both scum are active, then it's statistically advantageous for you to lynch a lurker, obviously. Math warning:+ Show Spoiler + Assuming even distribution, there is a 6/9 chance of the first scum player being an active player, and then a 5/8 chance of the second scum also being active, this makes it 5/12 chance of both scum being active. Then you have a 6/9 chance of first scum being active, plus 3/8 chance of 2nd scum being lurker, coming down to 1/4 chance. Double it for the other way around, makes 1/2 chance (6/12) of having scum being split between actives and lurkers Finally, you have a 3/9 * 2/8 chance of both scum being lurker (1/12) Total 12/12 If you lynch a random active, you have the following chances of hitting scum: 2/6 out of 5/12 (case where both scum are active) 1/6 out of 1/4 (case one where scum are split) 1/6 out of 1/4 (case two where scum are split) 0 out of 1/12 (case where scum are both lurkers) 2/6 * 5/12 + 1/6 * 1/4 + 1/6 * 1/4 + 0 = 2/9 2/9 chances If you lynch a random lurker, I'll directly simplify but it comes basically to 1/3 * 1/2 + 2/3 * 1/12 which is also 2/9 Why do I insist on this? Because I think warbaby is deliberately misleading us and pushing us into a lurker lynch when he knows scum aren't lurking, trying to back it up with numbers that are wrong. Again, for the cheap seats: there is no statistical advantage to lynching a lurker, however if you make it seem like there is one and you direct your scumbuddies to not lurk, then you can fool town into a guaranteed mislynch while appearing perfectly reasonable. On January 28 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote: ##Unvote: SkaPunk ##Vote: abenson By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker. I like that Corazon didn't vote for SkaPunk. If Cora was scum, there's a chance he would have just bandwagoned SkaPunk right off the bat. So I'm voting with Cora. The same applies to Zarepath, but Zare's been less active than Cora so I feel it's a bit riskier voting with Zare (in case AFKing suddenly steps up his game). Speaking of pressuring people to get a rise from them, what the heck happened to Acid~? He defended himself from my bullshit aggression, then ignored Zare's question about LAL and peaced out. Now that the lynch on SkaPunk seems guaranteed, you hop off the wagon claiming a (small) townread but you don't push for your next target. You're perfectly content to let town lynch someone on which you have a town read. I'm going to stop the quotes here because there isn't much more to add. I still don't see you actually scumhunting like you claimed before. Just defending yourself, explaining your vote and discussing rules and theories and setups. No strong lead on who you think is scum, not even a FoS, just a vague notion that you "don't believe both scum are lurkers". A pretty easy assumption to make since now the probability of having 2 scum amongst 2 lurkers in an 8 player game is ~3.6% Anyway, I have to go back to work, will be back in >24hours but until then: ##FoS: warbaby | ||
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On January 29 2013 10:16 warbaby wrote: Oh well, I can't sleep. Acid making a hard analysis is not what's ridiculous. Failing to vote day 1, and then swooping in with an FoS is what I find slightly ridiculous. If Acid won't post his opinions about anybody else, then how are we supposed to get reads on him? And what's the point of making an FoS if you don't give other players enough content to make a read on you? Has Acid~ put in the effort to analyze anyone's play but my own? We don't have a single shred of evidence to the contrary. Why didn't Acid~ post a will before leaving N1? This makes it seem like he's very sure there's no chance of him being night killed. I encourage you guys to look at the case Acid~ and Sn0_man are making against me. But I also encourage you to look at their play objectively, with special attention at how much effort they've put into doing anything else. While it is my fault that I didn't warn about this, I don't think I can be blamed for my real-life job interfering with mafia. I analyzed only you because I didn't have time after I finished with you and I started with you because you were the first to attract my attention. I notice that you conveniently avoided to reply to what I think is your scummiest action so far: you took your vote off SkaPunk claiming you had a town read on him, yet despite your willingness to lead town you did not lead town away from a possible mislynch. Explain what happened with the stats on day 1. Option 1: you didn't check your math (it's retardedly simple math and you were way off), which makes you lazy, which as town is simply helping scum - aka treason. Option 2: you deliberately misled us in order to make a LAL vote more attractive than it should've been, so that we wouldn't lynch scum. Which is it? Also, you did not "scumhunt" by your interaction with Snoman and me. You talked and you were meek in your accusations. Explain the situations described above. Explain, or die. ##Vote: warbaby | ||
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On January 29 2013 10:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Now to the scumhunting part. The problem I'm having with Acid right now is that all he has done the whole game is tunneled Warbaby. I know he's going after his scum read, but most of his posts have been in his argument with WB and attacking WB. I made an argument against him asking for a reply, and it has completely ignored in his pursuit to have Warbaby lynched at all costs. Ignoring an argument is an automatic FoS for me. If he was town, why would he ignore an argument made against him. If he is truly innocent, he can explain his behavior, not ignore me and hope it blows over. FoS: Acid~ I didn't reply to your argument because it doesn't make any sense. Of course I automatically assume scumhunting is a good reason to be a jerk, that's exactly the point I was making. What is there to discuss? | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:02 warbaby wrote: Oh, hey Acid~, good of you to drop in. Thought you weren't going to be back for another ">24 hours". I'm not going to explain my D1 actions any more. I already explained them enough. Anyone who wants answers to Acid~'s questions are invited to review my filter. If anyone (other than Acid~ and Sn0man) are still not satisfied, I will answer their specific questions. If my was so meek, why did you get so pissed off at me in your second post of the thread, when I pressured you? ##Vote: Acid~ I still have my suspicions about Sn0man, but I can't see a town motivation in Acid~ voting me right now. Town is in good shape aftering dodging N1 kill, anyone throwing around votes right now should have put in enough effort to analyze D1 in it's totality, which Acid~ admits he has not even bothered to do. I managed to check the thread before going to bed, am I allowed to do this? Can I please have your permission to live my life how I see fit? My town motivation in voting you is because I think you are scum, I posted a big case against you and I want to see you talk and I want to see how other people respond to the case, because this gives me information on their and your alignment. This is pretty basic stuff, even for a newbie game. | ||
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On January 29 2013 11:44 warbaby wrote: I criticize Acid~ for doing nothing but tunnel me and not even bothering to read the whole thread before voting. You seriously think it's good for a town to vote without reading the whole thread first? Making an FoS on me without reading the whole thread - OK fine. Voting for anybody before reading the whole thread - not OK. Your rejection of my response to Acid~ is valid. I'll review the thread and if I can find anything he's posted that I don't feel was already addressed in my filter, I'll explain it. I'm happy to answer questions, just not from Acid~ or Sn0man on their case against me, because I think it's a waste of time to defend myself further. Again, if anybody wants answers to the questions Acid~ is asking, they're right there in my filter. You just gotta take the time to read. I never said I didn't read the whole thread, you are lying again warbaby and it's not a good thing to do in your position. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:31 warbaby wrote: Gah, his case against me is such bullshit I want to break it down for you. Acid~ complains that I'm not actually scumhunting. This is an old complaint from his 3rd post in D1 that I've done my best to address. If he thinks my scumhunting is so bad, well, I'll just do my best to get better. Other than that, why is he trying to discourage me from scum hunting? What possible motive could that have? I'm not trying to discourage you from scumhunting, I'm asking you to cut the bullshit and scumhunt. This is not the first time that you misrepresent what I say. Acid~ rumbles about numbers that aren't even relevant anymore, since D1 was already over. This is what happened: I responded to Corazon's mistake and extrapolated on top of it. Corazon made a mistake, I didn't catch it and made some comments based on a false assumption. I believe Corazon shares the blame with me on this, so you can refer to his defense for more details. Maybe Acid~ with his amazing math skills could have helped clear things up AT THE TIME, but he didn't. There is no excuse is for this useless behavior. The numbers are relevant because they show that you (and corazon) made a "mistake". A mistake so bad that I caught it. I don't have "amazing" math skills, I'm a lit major. It was two Google searches to check the statistics claim: "calculating probabilities" and "how to multiply fractions". 15 minutes of work. Would take 5 for someone with a high school level in math. If you can't be assed to do that, then don't fucking call me useless. I was not around at the time because I was working and I'm not going to apologize to YOU for working. There's a reason I wasn't modkilled, so think about that for a second before bringing it up again. Acid~ says that he now has a strong scum read on me because using responding to someone else's faulty math is treason. I guess Corazon is a traitor too, then. Maybe he is and I'll look into that. Acid~ complains about my votes, but he didn't even vote D1, and then he voted D2 after admitting he hadn't read the thread. You're lying again. I never said I didn't read the thread. I did read the thread. In fact, you can see from the timestamps in my posts "re-reading the thread right now" (when you RE something, what does it mean, Einstein?) and then posting again 2 hours laters, after I finished RE-reading. Do you even logic? At all? Have you ever? I told myself I wasn't going to defend Acid~'s aggression any more. But his case is such horse crap that it makes him look scummy. He was already 3rd on my list of scum, but now he's #1. Sorry, but everything you say is bullshit from start to finish. You lie, you misrepresent and you attack me because you know that for a long time I'm not going to be able to defend myself. You're the most obvious scum there ever was, even worse than Spag last game. There is literally nothing you have ever said or done in this thread that was productive in any way. You still haven't responded to my case, btw. | ||
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On January 29 2013 13:33 warbaby wrote: I don't accusing you of defending Acid~. I accuse you of not bothering to connect the dots and think for yourself. Of course I read your early posts because I've actually commented on them. In my filter. Which is there for you to read. I thought about it some more, and there is one town motivation Acid~ could have for voting me, which is to pressure me because he needs a better read. If that's his reasoning, I would have to rethink my case on him. I'm not saying I'll unvote him if, in 24 hours when he gets back from work (who works for 24 hours? isn't that illegal in germany?) he just says, "Yes warbaby I was pressuring you to get a better read." He needs think up some way to make actions that demonstrate this motive. He needs to literally make up for the fact that he blatantly broke the rules, and spat in town's face, by failing to vote D1. And so far he has not done that. Obviously in the last 24 hours I've slept for 8 of them, like a normal human being. I have work, and I have work-related obligations. This is not the place to discuss my personal life, I apologized for missing the vote and I won't do it again so just drop it. Also, you can try to goad me into a shitstorm but you're so transparent it's laughable. You can keep calling my country "Germany" if you want, it just makes me smile. I'm not 15. | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy). To me, this day has come down to "Should we lynch WB or Acid?". I believe that it has come down to this question for most others as it regards to the lynch. Warbaby's erratic behavior made me very suspicious at first, I must admit. However, his brashness and unwilling to unvote Acid (even though voting for him early is a terrible idea) actually gave me a better feeling that he was town. The biggest thing that a scum has to worry about is their reputation with the rest of the town. A scum knows that he has to make sure no one else thinks he is scum so he can push his agenda forward and not be under suspicion. A town player would not care how others think about them because he knows he is town and has nothing to hide. Warbaby's behavior has seemed to follow these ideals. If he was scum, he would've listened to me and halted his aggression way before he did. The FoS definitely would've been enough for him to listen to me. Scum are afraid of getting lynched, so even threatening a vote would be enough to shut a scum down. Since it didn't phase WB, I believe that he is town not being afraid of his image in order to get the scum lynched. On top of that, scum would not tunnel a town so hard because once the town flipped, the mislynch would be on the scum's head and the scum would be the next likely to go. On the other hand, Acid has been ridiculously dodgy the entire game. In a town where inactivity has been a problem, he has been part of the inactivity problem. He dodges my argument, and only after he is pressured about it does he say that it wasn't relevant. The timing of his defense is ridiculously shady, almost 2 days after the original pressure. If he wanted to call my argument out as BS, he should've done so at his first opportunity, not chosen to ignore it. Telling me that my idea is stupid is how town bounces ideas off of each other and becomes more efficient as a scumhunting machine. By ignoring it until pressured, it's basically him saying that he's dodging it still. The final straw is the voting history. Scum do not care who gets voted off as long as it's not one of them. WB voted, Acid didn't. There's no way Acid could not have spared 5 minutes to vote, even if he knew he was going to be working for a long shift. I don't buy the work stuff. At least jump on a wagon or vote no-lynch if you don't have time to vote. It's not being busy, it's disinterest in the vote. It's scummy. At the end of the day, would I rather vote for the town jester or the shady guy on the corner asking people if they want to have fun? For these reasons: ##Vote: Acid~ If anyone has any questions, feel free to let me know. This is getting ridiculous. First of all, I never said your argument wasn't relevant, I said it didn't make sense. And AGAIN, like I said, I didn't respond to it at first because I dismissed it. On the basis of it not making sense. I only replied to it just now because it seems you were about to use it as a justification for a vote and that was just silly. Second, I did not know I was going to be working that long when I got called and my work is more important than your mafia. That's just the way it is. If you really think inactivity is more of a scumtell than obviously scummy behavior, you're terrible at this game. And from I gather, you're not terrible at this game. Interesting. Just to sum it up: warbaby lies, twists my words in order to vote me AFTER I expose his scummy actions warbaby has a TOWN read on someone and lets that someone get lynched without a fight warbaby posts a LOT of posts with no content, only speculation and CLAIMS to scumhunt while never scumhunting Acid posts a case against warbaby explaining, WITH QUOTES AND PROOF, how warbaby is acting scummy Acid misses a vote because of work Can you, honestly, with a straight face, claim that you are town and believe Acid is the scummier player? | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:43 Sn0_Man wrote: @Acid: There are 2 scum this game. Who is scum 2.0? we are well aware of your prime scum read, who is asleep atm anyways. Then where are we on the lynching of the first scum? I'm not going to get off warbaby's case until he flips or someone presents a stronger case on someone else. I have other scumreads but they're not as strong. There's no value in discussing them right now. IF I'm right about warbaby then I have a solid lead on the second one. If I'm wrong, then I have a different lead. Just going to leave this here for you: Corazon thinks warbaby's unwillingness to unvote me is a town tell. He also thinks the same thing from me is a scum tell. Why is that, in your opinion? | ||
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On January 29 2013 13:42 warbaby wrote: Warbaby's case against Acid~ 1) He plays like shit day one If this is a scum tell, you really need to be the first to go. and fails to vote. 2) He comes back day 2, with a completely unacceptable excuse. If he has 24 hour work shifts, he should not be signing up for mafia games. Again, you are lying. That is not what I said, nor implied. Why are you lying so much? Who the fuck has 24 hour "shifts"? Do you not ever sleep? Or do you play mafia in your sleep? Actually, that would explain a lot. 3) He admits he didn't even read the whole thread, No, I didn't. Again, more lying. and pops a gigantic case (that largely echoes stuff Sn0man already said, so it's not like he even made that much effort -- mostly the math stuff is original, but I'm not even the one who fucked up the math in the first place). 4) The case is largely bullshit. I've also made a bullshit cases, to pressure people, but... 5) If he's trying to pressure me, it's a shitty way to do it, because he'll be gone for 24 hours. My goal was to get people talking about the case, that's what people do. But, I have to give you credit: your conveniently timed "argument" with Corazon managed to pull attention away from the case and bury it behind five pages of useless bullshit. | ||
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On January 30 2013 02:04 warbaby wrote: I'd love to discuss what actually happened N1, which I see as a great win for town. Note that there is one variation of the setup that allows for both JK and Doc (if I'm not reading the wiki wrong here -- love to see our authority on math and statistics, Acid~, to contribute on this point, but he's probably won't bother responding to this post, assuming he ever reads it). If the blue is doc, should they claim? I don't think it was clairvoyant that nobody died N1 (and I think you sound like a sadscum by saying this), I think it was just damned lucky. Probably won't happen again, and there's a chance the Doc (if there is one) will be killed before they can do anything more useful. If the doc exists and claims, and scum kills them, we end up with a 100% confirmed town and a no kill on Night 1. Is this good for town? I'm not sure if this makes sense. I haven't put a lot of thought into reasons and possible results around town power role claims. Oh please stop with your incessant town-claiming bullshit. What is this post, aside from a feeble attempt to extract a blue claim so you have a target for tonight? | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in my case against you did I say you not unvoting for WB was a scum tell? The difference between your tunneling and WB's tunneling is that Warbaby has at least joined in the discussion about other players and other things. You've had two posts that did not have anything to deal with WB, and they are the two posts answering me. You also dodged my argument. If you thought it didn't make sense you would've said so. No one else said it was BS, so why didn't you say it? I told you both that if you were town, you would stop tunneling each other for the majority of D2. You insist on Warbaby being lynched, but how can we be sure of your town credibility if your scumhunting has only consisted of telling us why WB is so much scum? You both have been completely useless to us, and you guys tunneling each other 10 minutes into D2 is hurting the town. You've brought nothing to the table, and you dodged my argument. When it comes to you and WB being on the chopping block, I'd rather pick someone who has shown at least a slight flash of actual scum hunting more than one person, and is not afraid to call out BS on my arguments and does not act shady. I've already explained to you why I didn't respond to your argument. Why would I waste time on something that doesn't make sense? Why would any of the players? None of them said it was nonsense but none of them backed it up either, so...? I made a case against warbaby that was based on evidence. He made an OMGUS. Why should I be the one to establish town cred? Because I missed a vote? Like the lurker thing, this is hiding behind policy. If policy votes is all you care about, good for you. I want to actually play the game. If you can't see the value in my case, then fine. You go be clueless in your corner until I decide whether you're scum or retarded. | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote: TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today. No. My other reads will change based on warbaby's flip and the votes and discussions leading up to it. WB is my strongest read, he goes first - unless someone makes a better case against anyone else. So far, I don't see one. I see a bullshit OMGUS on me and your nonsense about me not responding to your original nonsense. I could maybe buy the policy vote based on me not voting day 1, but I gave a reason for that, both to the mod who decided to let me off with a warning and to the town. You don't buy it? Fuck you, I'm not selling. | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:41 cDgCorazon wrote: And I suggest you don't be an asshole to someone who is making a case against you if you want them to un-vote you somewhere down the road. Why? Is this a fucking popularity contest? If you're too stupid to make your decisions based on logic and just vote/unvote based on who's the nice guy, why the fuck would I want anything to do with you? | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:48 cDgCorazon wrote: The problem is, the logic is not there. It is there. You have not made an analysis of my case to tell me why it was wrong. You have not responded to my valid concerns about warbaby's play. You have just dismissed them saying "meh, I don't buy it" without giving reason. And now you want to discuss other people and let warbaby off the hook? If I give you a way to earn town cred by investigating other people and then you just act like a child and say "fuck you", I'm not going to un-vote you. The reason you want to have something to do with me is because I hold a vote. Perhaps there is one vote separating you from being in this game and being dead. Would you rather not be an asshole to people so they might listen to you, or would you rather be an abrasive douche? Which one will be more likely to save your sorry ass? I don't care about saving my "sorry" ass, I care about finding scum. If I die today and the vote pattern or discussion reveals warbaby's scumbuddy I'm fine with it. I still win if I'm dead. | ||
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On January 30 2013 12:45 cDgCorazon wrote: You don't want to die. Dying sucks. You can't trust the town to hunt the targets and use the same arguments as you. You want to be alive personally so you can scumhunt and do your part to help the town win. You can't do that if you're town. Your final contribution to town (if you stay this path) right now is your flip, which would only make the percentages of us getting them the next day go down. We can't take you seriously. You've only tunneled WB. Sure it would put him under the spotlight, but that's not enough to make me lynch him if you flipped town. If you're town, you need to make your contribution greater if you gave us more than one option. I don't play to live, I play to win. Playing to live is for scum, because they have inevitability. I do trust my townmates because I don't believe I'm anything special and anyone with half a brain is capable of making the remarks I made. Sometimes in chess you have to sacrifice a pawn to take a knight. I do believe that my flipping town will incriminate warbaby, whether you're personally convinced or not. You dodged my argument, and you're playing to the quietness of D1 (going AFK and not letting anyone know. We would understand if you had said something) and now the discussion-filled D2. You've only tunneled WB all game, and have basically contributed nothing to town. You've been asked multiple times to focus on someone other than WB at least temporarily, and you have not done so. If you have the town's best interests in mind, you would have hunted someone other than WB. Your failure to do so, along with the other reasons and you just acting like a general douchebag, are why I'm voting for you. Understand, or do I need to simplify more? I understand quite well that you're happy to lynch a townie if you can justify it by saying he was a "douchebag". That's a town tell if I ever saw one! | ||
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On January 30 2013 23:16 Slayalot wrote: Acid. Now that I see you writing more. Please start to create a better town atmosphere. You are still tunneling warbaby. And you are going emotional in almost every post. Lets say warbaby isn't scum, but he gets lynched. What have you contributed with?? If warbaby is town then he essentially won the game for the scum team. What has he contributed besides attacking me for circumstances over which I have no control? | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:06 warbaby wrote: I thought about Slayalot really well, and why/if I would cast my vote for Acid~ again. Acid~ is posting more. The only reason to lynch him is because he's being a douchebag (to borrow Cora's rather appropriate verbiage). Lynching Acid~ for being a douchebag is silly. At least he is picking up his game, and casting a vote D2. Lynching a lurker makes more sense to me, because I don't have a good enough scumread on anyone right now to pursue them. ##Vote: SlayAlot I really was hoping we could egg SlayAlot on into playing this game properly, but we're halfway through D2 and he hasn't stepped it up. Acid~ has stepped it up, to some extent. I still FoS him for being a useless town, but I can't legitimately come up with a reason to vote him that's not OMGUS (or OMGUDB). If you guys hop on Acid~'s attempts to mislynch me, and fall for his ridiculous case, then you are idiots. I especially expected more from Zarepath. See, this doesn't make sense. Going for LAL today because you "don't have a scum read" is essentially admitting that you're useless. And then, you call my case an "attempt to mislynch" which is implying that I'm scum. So which is it? Oh, right. now that more and more people seem to be convinced that we can't both be town, you can't lead the charge against me anymore, because then you're screwed tomorrow. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:10 warbaby wrote: You obviously have not actually read my filter (or didn't pay enough attention while you did). You are projecting your own actions onto me. Stop being a douchebag, please. You wanted to lynch a lurker day 1, you did it, congratulations. You can't make a case against anyone day 2 because it's really hard when you know all your targets are town and you have to fabricate evidence, so you're again wanting to lynch a lurker day 2. Here is the actual scumhunting I found in your filter:+ Show Spoiler + | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:19 warbaby wrote: Absolutely not. A complete douchebag town is certainly capable of driving a mislynch. It's not an "attempt" to mislynch if I don't know it's a mislynch. Words have meanings. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:22 warbaby wrote: If you aren't cognizant of the fact that your case is bullshit, you're even stupider than I thought. Why did you not urge town to take their vote off SkaPunk when you did? You said you switched because you had a town read on him. You had been leading town all day, why did not lead town away from what you thought would be a mislynch? You've been dodging this question all day. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:30 warbaby wrote: I never said I swtiched from Ska because I had a town read on him. O RLY? On January 28 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote: ##Unvote: SkaPunk ##Vote: abenson By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker. I voted for Ska in the first place to pressure him into posting. It didn't work. I thought maybe there was some >0% chance pressuring someone else to post would work. Imagine I am the doctor. The doctor NEEDS to make town reads to be an effective doctor (unlike a VT who only really needs to make scum reads). Does that help you understand my play? I'll imagine you being the doctor once I see the stethoscope on your corpse. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote: I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job. Thank you, that's all I wanted from you A nice, juicy scum claim. If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum. | ||
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On January 31 2013 03:40 warbaby wrote: That's nonsense. The job of town is to hunt scum, not defend other towns. The job of town is to not vote for people they have a weak town read on. Actually no, the job of town is to *lynch* scum. Letting town lynch someone you have a soft town read on is not lynching scum. It's not even hunting scum. It's passively letting scum win the game. | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:12 warbaby wrote: I asked a question because I wasn't sure. You're saying the doctor shouldn't claim. But I should claim that I'm the doctor? Telling me to fake claim is not a town-motivated action. You know that at this point, you basically claimed doc without backing it up? Saying "when I flip you will shit bricks" and "imagine what happens if I am doctor", this does not help town in any way. As townie, it's irresponsible. You risk outing the real doc and hanging yourself in the process. As doc, you either hard claim to prevent a mislynch or STFU to preserve your cover. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:08 warbaby wrote: By the way, I am using my limited sick days at work due to this flu. So unlike acid I am not just shitting you guys about my personal complications. You know what sucks more than having to work like an asshole for so many days in a row? Having a prick on the internet busting your ass in a fucking game over it. If you flip town, I hope I never have to play another game of mafia with you ever again. | ||
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On January 31 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not switching because I know that if he flips doc I'm going to get called out on it. You guys do a great job of twisting my words. I'm sticking to my guns. If WB flips scum, just know that I put pressure on him too. If anyone has been listening to anything I say besides what they use to twist my words, it's a tough call. Both have been playing really terrible games. I just feel like Acid's is just a bit worse at this point still. Just as he called out WB, this is his contribution to the scum hunt: | | (The space in between the lines is his contribution.) I actually made a real case against warbaby that included elements that no one, not even him, were able to refute or explain. You also need to accept the fact that different people have different time commitments and availabilities. If you look at my posting pattern this game, you'll see it's roughly the same as in XXXV (low weekend activity, weekdays activity concentrated on early afternoon/late evening) that's just how it is. Work > mafia. Speaking of blending in however, how am I more scummy than Slayalot on that front? He's allowed to not contribute because of his work, but I'm not? The problem I have with you is not that you're attacking me. It's that you're doing so by using bullshit reasons. I did what you asked btw, and re-reading the thread with a clear head I can actually envision a scenario where warbaby is town. Unfortunately in that scenario you are scum. Pushing the two most aggressive townies against each other is a good plan, so well played. Until we get a counter doc claim: ##Unvote: warbaby ##Vote: cDgCorazon | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Wow Acid, that was like the most delayed OMGUS I've ever seen. I did not make any plan to have you two fight each other. You two initiated it on the first hours of Day 1. Good job twisting my words (I do believe that it brings up the count to 3 people who have done so now). I've been accused of wasting my vote, now you're doing the same thing yourself. I envisioned a scenario where WB is town and you are scum. So basically, you're voting for me because you agree with me. That makes no sense. Slay has been constantly inactive. The town activity level has shifted from way down on D1 to almost normal on D2. Your activity has followed that same pattern as well. I'm not saying that lurking doesn't make you scum, but you're blending in a lot more with your activity level than what Slay is. You're hoping for a counter doc claim to kill off WB. A counter-claim does absolutely nothing for the town besides getting a Doctor killed and Warbaby executed (which it looks like we might not even need a counter-claim to get him lynched). That in itself is a scummy move. At least Slay voted D1... By god, you're right. The most sensible explanation is that instead of working I spent all day analyzing the town activity in order to make my own activity align to the average! It makes perfect sense! And in a shocking twist, the guy who lurked the WHOLE game, played it safe, never offended anybody, slipped under the radar by voting along with bandwagon - he is less scummy than me. Because... logic? Because If I am scum and no-voting intentionally, I wouldn't have an excuse ready beforehand, like ALL the scum who do such things? Just refer to newbie XXXV: no-vote because of RL issues, doesn't warn in advance - is town (OmniEulogy) no-vote with a lame excuse well prepared several hours before the vote - is scum (JSL) Also, you might want to look up the definition of OMGUS because I've given plenty of valid reasons for why I think you're suspicious. My vote coming second doesn't make it OMGUS. This game is not a race any more than a popularity contest. What really troubles me, however, re-reading the thread, is that warbaby just basically OMGUSed me for no reason. Whereas you gave reasons for voting me. All bullshit. The former attitude I can attribute to angry/confused town. The latter is scum. | ||
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On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum. You don't see any validity in warbaby's doc claim? I hear what you're saying about Cora. I heard it the first time. I'm just not convinced yet. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:07 warbaby wrote: ##Unvote: Glurio ##Vote: Slayalot If someone can pin something real on glurio, besides his really blendy and somewhat mediocre play, then I'd still be interested in lynching him now. But as it is my case is too weak. I'm going with the safe choice, a lurker. I think in the current environment it's too easy for scum to lead the lynch to a useful town. If they mislynch me, there's an 80% chance there is no JK (eg, nobody there to save your sorry asses N2). Why vote Slay over Cake? Slay says he still does not plan to contribute more. Cake at least claims he's going to make an effort as soon as he can. Can you make a real case on Slayalot? I want to believe, but you need to convince the other townies as well. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:11 glurio wrote: I'm sorry but i won't switch right now. His claim looks like scum trying to stay alive. He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch. He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak. All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.) Clear scum for me. I take doc claims seriously, especially in the absence of counter-claims. Remember there is a 5/6 chance of having at least one protective role in this setup and he is the only one who claimed any. Having two people claim doc means one of them is scum 100% and I'm ok with trading a doc for 50% of the scum team. I might not make the same gambit in a larger game, but here it seems advantageous. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:14 cDgCorazon wrote: Seriously Acid, I told you to stop talking about WB like 5 million times. Why won't you let WB go for 5 freaking minutes? Because I want to discuss his doc claim as it seems very important to me, for the reasons outlined in my previous post. Why did you lie about something I did in your first vote post? Why are you lying now? I never lied. Why did you dodge my first argument, say its BS (at least 24 hours later), and now defend yourself when I voted for you? I already went over this, learn to read. Why are you OMGUSing me (you are) I'm not. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck I stated my reasons for voting you, it is not *because* you voted for me, but because of the *reasons*, which are bullshit. when you just blamed Acid for the same thing? Now you're just saying crazy things. You really think my reasons are BS? No one else has said that my reasons are BS http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon (besides Zare, who didn't even look at my argument post, only the stuff after it). Why is your activity level rising in falling with the overall activity level with the town? I have no idea how you can know that. As stated, I post in early afternoon and late evening, Paris time, because that's when I am free to play. There's no agenda there, just a timetable. Why couldn't you have taken 2 minutes to tell us that you were busy on D1 and taken a vote? Because I left home around 5 pm? sunday afternoon, something like that. I expected to be back before the lynch, instead I slept on the couch of the editing room along with the rest of my team because when you have a deadline you fucking meet it. "I have work" should be good enough. I don't like to talk about my private life with strangers on the internet. These are the questions you need to answer. "Because I have work" isn't going to cut it for me. The fact that you dodged my argument because it was BS is contradicting your play now. If you say both of my arguments are BS now, why are you answering the one with the vote behind it? Because I was content with ignoring you when I thought you were only wrong. Now I think you're scum so I need to take apart your bullshit to have the other townies on my side. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:32 zarepath wrote: I didn't really look at things this way until I considered that warbaby is actually a cop. things make much more sense now; the things that happened 12 hours ago now look much more scummy. More precision on that? What makes you think WB is cop and why would he doc claim instead of cop claim? What happened 12 hours ago that looks so scummy? | ||
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On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote: Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch. I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia. Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it. Not only is this wrong, as I pointed out on my case against warbaby (this is the part where I admit my tunneling prevented me from noticing Corazon was the first to mention the 1/3 chance), but it directly contradicts this: On January 28 2013 10:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Well, the chances of us getting a scum D1 were zero. I'm gonna relook over the day's events and let you all know if I find anything of importance. We go from "not much to lose on a lurker lynch" to "well we didn't have a chance anyway". And then, there it is: On January 31 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't believe I contradicted myself when I said that 33% (it's actually 2/9, which I believe is around 22%. Don't quote me on that though) was still a low percentage. Re: pushing us against each other: On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy). To me, this day has come down to "Should we lynch WB or Acid?". You are the first to introduce this notion and now you can't lie your way out of it. It's right there in the quote. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:50 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright guys, I'm going to make this quick. I'm claiming VT. That's right. I'm a Vanilla townie. My proposed scumteam is WB and Zare, and here's why. WARNING: MASSIVE WIFOM BOMBS I think WB and Zare are both scum. WB has officially bitten the hand that feeds, which I absolutely hate from anyone. It's scummy. Zare has only made cases on me and WB since he has played the game. Here's what I think their plan is: Sn0 points out the inconsistencies in things I've said N1. Zare basically steals everything Sn0 says and says I am scum and makes a whole case against me. Their plan is to not attack anyone, so Warbaby can claim doctor and Zare can say that I attacked him because he made a case against me and I called him a good town (basically everything he used in his argument against me). Acid tunnels WB and I tell both of them to stop it. Warbaby and Zare both know that I was against them tunneling each other, and WB continues to tunnel Acid and get me to argue with him and waste three pages of thread space, which means that I can be blamed for being a distraction to town. Zare begins to bus WB because he thinks that WB is going to die. However, once he sees that the pressure on WB lifts, he decides to get me voted out, using his silly reasoning and giant amounts of WIFOM due to what actually happened. Why do you think he was so spot on in what he thought scum did? Zare and WB have come up with an elaborate plan that involves them exploiting the holes in my play and making them bigger in order to get me lynched. That way, they can get a town player killed, and escape at least some of the blame. Do you notice how both of them have twisted my words and made lies about what I did? I'd vote Zare off today, but WB is more likely to die. ##Unvote ##Vote: Warbaby Just so I understand this correctly: you claim that the scum plan was to waste a night kill in order to secure a day lynch which would cast severe suspicions on them both after you flipped town? If they wanted to get rid of you so bad, why wouldn't they just kill you N1? A wise and handsome man told me after the last game to always KISS. The most simple explanation is often the correct one. | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:58 Sn0_Man wrote: At this point, I could actually see something like an acid/zare scumteam but we can't lynch one of them in time I don't think. Still fairly confident warbaby is scum though. Glad to see you finally showing your true colors. Guys, when warbaby flips medic you know we need to lynch Corazon and Snoman, right? | ||
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On January 31 2013 08:11 glurio wrote: I'm sorry but i won't switch right now. His claim looks like scum trying to stay alive. He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch. He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak. All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.) Clear scum for me. In light of the recent developments, are you willing to change your vote? We have less than an hour and Slayalot is most definitely not going to switch. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:03 warbaby wrote: +1 on snoman, Acid. The lack of bandwagoning on Cora is a bit scummy IMO. If he were VT as he claims, the other scum would bandwagon him. Assuming you believe my claim, and that zarepath is not scum. Well yeah, at this point the associations make it pretty obvious. In my mind scum team is either you+zare or cora+sno. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:06 Sn0_Man wrote: How anybody reading this thread can NOT see this as a scum bandwagon started to save one of their own is beyond me. Because that would mean I am scum, and I know that I am not scum. LOGIC Anyway, if you want us to believe your breadcrumbing on Cora you need to hard claim cop at this point. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:11 Sn0_Man wrote: Fine. I'm the cop and I checked cora last night. He came back clean. It explains my views on the Doc/JK situation (I forgot about there being both cuz THERE CAN"T BE) and it explains my 180 on cora (who I thought was scummy day 1 and night 1, before I received the results) Happy? now scum have me as an easy target tonight. If this is true, I'm sorry if this seems cold but I'm fine with trading a blue role for 50% of a scum team. I have less than an hour to re-read your filter and check if what you say makes sense, but I'll do it. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:20 Sn0_Man wrote: EBWOP warbaby could actually flip medic right now OK, so given the setup we know we can trust your check if you are cop. If you are cop and warbaby is medic that means both Cora and Zare are innocented. Who is left, then? Slayalot/cakepie? So much for the low chances of both scum being lurkers :/ | ||
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##Unvote: cDgCorazon ##Vote: Slayalot | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:26 warbaby wrote: I don't buy lurking scum. Scum need to make some effort to read the thread, in which case they are going to have a few things they want to say. Scum will probably assume they can be careful enough not to make a slip, and say these things. The other scum style I do buy is doing stupid confusing shit all the time for no reason. Acid~ has stopped doing this, Corazon has not. Why doesn't cora just vote for me? Even if I flip medic you guys will get information out of it. The thing is, Sn0_Man is playing almost exactly like in XXXV where he was town, and his actions make sense: he jumped on Corazon day1 then started defending him day2 which is consistent with a cop check. This setup only allows sane cops and no framers or gf so an innocent check is 100% proof. So, the only way I can buy Corazon as scum now is if Sno is also scum and I don't buy it. Remember, lurking scum always has a good excuse ready in advance. Slayalot's airtight "alibi" is exactly what makes me suspicious of him. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Additionally, how big is this "anything but warbaby" wagon right now? first cora, then it gets crushed by my cop claim and now its immediately thrown on slay? I get that he is an uncontested medic claim, but the way he claimed even looked scummy. I mean, if zare votes slay it becomes 4-4 right? 4-4 but I believe first name to gather the votes "wins" the tie so Slay doesn't get slain unless you switch. | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:32 Sn0_Man wrote: Holy shit acid is back to thinking like last game Where was this acid all game? In the editing room T__T | ||
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On January 31 2013 09:40 cakepie wrote: Sn0 will you consider switching off warbaby? If you are indeed cop we can get more use out of you one more night if warbaby can protect you. And if you are not protected, then warbaby is lying = confirmed scum to be lynched D3, as opposed to the current uncertain situation. A chance that warbaby is not lying and we get another cop read, is better than no chance at all -- you WILL be killed if you are telling the truth, and unprotected tonight I want to support this line of action, adding that Sno should check Warb tonight to make sure that scum doesn't pull a no-kill to falsely innocent warbaby. | ||
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If war is scum and you lynch him, you probably die tonight. If war is scum and you save him, you die tonight and we lynch him tomorrow. If war is medic and you lynch him, we lose medic and cop If war is medic and you save him, he dies tonight but we save you. Adding that if war is medic and you are cop, you know zare and cora are innocent and you can check glurio | ||
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cDgCorazon: TOWN - conditional on Sn0_Man actually being cop cakepie: so far the vote and general attitude have me leaning TOWN Slayalot: this is not about lurking anymore, but deliberate inactivity and refusal to participate in the scumhunt. SCUM Sn0_Man: If he is scum, then he attacked Corazon d1 with the intention of proving him innocent d2, but Corazon wasn't under any scrutiny d1 apart from Sn0... plus the breadcrumbing early in the day... it doesn't make sense to me. Also, he switched off warbaby at the end and there is no way to tell if the precise last minute posting was intentional or not. Still, I noticed something but I'm not sure I want to talk about it yet. There is definitely a possible scenario where the scum team is Sn0_Man+Corazon but it requires no one to counterclaim cop which is a 50/50 gamble on their part. Tough call but... when in doubt refer to the simplest explanation, so: TOWN zarepath: playing about the same as in XXXV where he was town. N1 results + warbaby's claim make him a pretty strong TOWN read. glurio: Refused to switch off warbaby, general inactivity + there's no one else = SCUM | ||
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On January 31 2013 11:55 cakepie wrote: Where is this breadcrumb? I must have missed it. First one, earliest: Second one: On January 31 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote: I have a plenty strong town read on you, don't worry about your own image, nail the scum. If he turns out doctor its me and acid who screwed up. Voting acid when he clearly won't get lynched today is not helping town. All you do is make the scum votes more powerful by throwing yours away. Third one: On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum. | ||
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On January 31 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote: Glurio looks scummiest right now -- I have no idea why Cora and Sn0 parked their votes thusly, but Glurio isn't "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim. Wait, did I miss something? Who claimed glurio was confirmed town? Cora is confirmed town *if* Sn0_Man is cop. You played with us in XXXV, what is your read on Sn0_Man? | ||
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If you are, you need to explain how he can be scum despite being confirmed town by warbaby's flip (warbaby says he protected him N1, we had no kill N1 and your theory of scum skipping the kill doesn't hold up after war's flip since it relies on war being scum). Also, zare didn't vote for warbaby, he voted for you and then switched to Slayalot to consolidate with town. How is that scummy, in light of the flip? His action actually almost saved warbaby, which is not something scum would do. You're making no sense, AGAIN. I'm sorry but no one forced you to vote for warbaby in the first place and I don't see anyone accusing you of sealing warbaby's fate anyway. The reason that this was the reason that WB died was because if Zare hadn't made such a pathetic case on me, I wouldn't have been forced to make a case with massive amounts of WIFOM to vote for WB. I had to make a move to save myself. This is so scummy it makes me sick. Your vote is your own responsibility. You don't vote to save yourself, you vote to lynch SCUM. A post like this really gives me a hard-on for my sno/cora scum team theory. | ||
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On January 31 2013 14:24 cDgCorazon wrote: Well desperate times call for desperate measures. I didn't want to die, so I had to make a case equally as stupid as Zare's in order to not die. Seriously, this is your argument? You'll do anything not to die? As VT, which is your claim, your vote is your most precious power. Wasting it is treason to town. I did whatever I could to save myself. QED. | ||
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On January 31 2013 14:26 cDgCorazon wrote: I love how cake just told me to not make association cases, and you just said "cora/sno scum team". I want to hear Zare's response to this before I decide if he's scum or not. You know, giving people a chance to defend themselves... Apparently, OMGUS is not the only mafia terminology you're not familiar with. Association before flip means accusing B of being scum because you think A is scum. The reason you don't vote like this is because if you think A is scum in the first place, then you should vote for A (it's implied that your scum read on A is based on evidence, obviously). This is not what I'm doing. I'm not sure of either of you or sno's alignment. All I know is that with the way both of you have played so far: If you are scum then Sn0 is 100% scum. If you are town, then Sn0 is null If Sn0 is town, then you are 100% town. If Sn0 is scum, then you are null | ||
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Again, Zare is confirmed town now that we know warbaby was telling the truth, so get off his case and find a real scum to lynch for tomorrow. | ||
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On January 31 2013 14:44 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm pretty sure I've done more scumhunting than you have. You've been sitting on your butt for 100% of D1 and 98% of D2. I wasn't going to let Zare get away with blaming me for WB's death. That's why I made the rebuttal. Day 1 or day 2 are in the past and you won't pull me into another shit-flinging fest. This is night 3 and right now at this moment in time I'm the one doing the hunting, so start contributing. | ||
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On February 01 2013 01:02 zarepath wrote: Start with the people who voted to kill the medic, obviously. We have votes to analyze, not just filters. Glurio and Slay seem like the most obvious places to start. Cakepie voted for Slay, so if we vote for Slay and he flips scum, we've cleared cakepie. If we vote for Slay and he flips town, then Glurio looks more scummy for being the only unconfirmed town who voted for warbaby. I think lynching Slay is the best way to go at it. If we mislynch tomorrow, we lose. | ||
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On February 02 2013 16:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Well since I know I am town, I'm certain that you are Cop. That's not how logic works. If you are scum, then he is scum. That doesn't imply that if you are town then he is town. If he was scum he would also know your alignment. | ||
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On February 02 2013 08:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Sure but you are (more or less) willing to believe I'm cop so I KNOW you and cora are willing to vote with me, for now. Acid hasn't said a word on the topic for a long time. Whatever. I'd like to see your vote on glurio but I can't force anything to happen. My conundrum still stands. In order to believe your claim I also have to believe Corazon is town. If I had only your play to analyze I could believe your claim, especially uncontested. Still, glurio managed to make himself look more scummy than Corazon, which is quite an achievement. ##Vote: glurio | ||
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On February 03 2013 01:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Seriously Glurio if you're going to say I'm scum because of one mistype, that definitely means you are scum. There goes any chance of my vote changing. The flaw in your "Sn0/Cora" scum team is that I'm VT. I've said it at least 5 times... Oh. You said you're VT five times, well that must make it true then. I'm the president of the USA I'm the president of the USA I'm the president of the USA I'm the president of the USA I'm the president of the USA White House, here I come! | ||
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There's not enough activity from glurio to make a case. Bottom line is, I think glurio's activity is consistent with a lazy townie. It's also consistent with scum. In newbie XXXV, glurio was lazy town and we wasted a vig shot on him. Corazon on the other hand can't hide behind lazy. In fact the only reason he's alive right now is because of ONE person who believes him to be town. One uncontested cop claim is the only town tell I have on Corazon. I especially don't like his day 2 voting. He claims he won't back off me until I provide explanations for his absurd accusations, but the he does back off me. Not because I provided satisfactory answers, but because his lynch wasn't getting traction. He then parks his vote on warbaby and disappears an hour before lynch deadline, conveniently missing the final actions. And what reason does he give for this? He has to go to sleep because he has work. Suddenly my not-good-enough reason for low activity is good enough for him to miss an important vote deadline. This is just one example of his hypocrisy, I've given others in my d2 case. Let's forget about Sno's cop claim for now and look only at Corazon. Because: 1. Sno's claim is unverifiable and should be a null read at this point. 2. If Corazon is scum, Sno is the second scum by association, 100% ##Unvote: glurio | ||
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On February 03 2013 04:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Another silly mistake by me... EBWOP: If you think I'm scum, would I be playing this badly? If you're town your play is even worse. | ||
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On February 03 2013 04:00 cakepie wrote: Right back atcha. Acid, are you still around? Yes. Playing the victim, appeal to martyrdom and the good old if I was scum would I play so bad thing. The thing is, if Corazon is town then he's played even worse. Slayalot barely played at all. Ditto glurio. The more I think about the possible setups and scum teams, the more I realize: no matter who my town team is, I don't actually care if they win this game because they've been terrible. In fact, the only configuration where I come out of this game still having any respect for anyone is the Sn0_Man/Corazon scum team. I'm tired and don't really want to play this game anymore. If I'm right about Corazon, then Snoman is guaranteed scum and we win, the game is over. If I'm wrong, then we lose and the game is over. Since it's the best way to end this clusterfuck and get on to doing more enjoyable things such as hammering nails through my dick: ##Vote: cDgCorazon | ||
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On February 03 2013 05:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Acid, you are one of the most unpleasant people I've ever had the displeasure of playing Mafia with. Please stay off these forums if you can't display a non-zero amount of maturity. And the same to you, good sir. At least I realized my mistake, late as it was, and tried to improve my attitude. You haven't. In fact, you've gotten worse. If you guys thinking lynching me will find Sn0 as scum, you're all going to be ridiculously disappointed in 5 hours. Meh. Don't care. If you're town, you've lost us the game with your shit-flinging, retarded cases and sheep votes. | ||
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On February 03 2013 05:26 cDgCorazon wrote: At least I didn't waste the first two days tunneling WB...don't be hypocritical and say I played the worst game when in fact you have played even worse... Right, you just threw accusations left and right and voted to mislynch twice. That's much better town play. Where were you when I stopped tunneling WB and tried my hardest to not have our doctor lynched? Sleeping? Working? Not good enough. I may have been misguided and virulent. You lied. You were lazy in your scumhunting and when it was pointed out you made excuses and lied some more and at no point did you say or do anything that led to anything other than a mislynch. Like I've said before, your attitude is treasonous. No matter your alignment, you were the scum team MVP this game. | ||
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On February 03 2013 05:47 cDgCorazon wrote: If they can't see that I'm town, then we all deserve to lose...it's their stupidity. You've done nothing this entire game that could even be remotely construed as town-motivated. We have a saying here: when you feel that everyone around you is an idiot, it's probably you who is the idiot instead. | ||
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On February 03 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm just curious, on a scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you that I'm scum? 50/50 I just hope that you're scum because it would mean you're not pants-on-head retarded and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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On February 03 2013 06:09 Sn0_Man wrote: Thats a pretty big statement. Pretty ad-hominem and tunnel-vision. Please evaluate glurio, then evaluate me, and see who you think is MORE LIKELY to be scum. Then choose. Choosing to lynch cora is choosing to lynch me (and a loss, but you can't know that 100%). First I want to see who/if I can get behind on a Cora lynch. Also, Can we get a vote count please? | ||
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On February 03 2013 06:28 cDgCorazon wrote: Acid why are you voting for someone that you're only 50% sure is scum? Not very convincing. I'm done talking to you. Waiting on cakepie's theory to see if it matches my own. | ||
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I'll go with the strategy that won us the last game, but I really hate the implications. ##unvote ##Vote: glurio | ||
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On February 03 2013 09:31 cakepie wrote: You have any better ideas? Because my case was complete bullshit and I had trouble making myself believe it. And glurio's pleading isn't gaining any traction with me. No, that's what makes me sad. I really believe glurio is scum, which means Corazon is town. I think that's going to be it for me on the mafia games for a while. | ||
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