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On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today.
No. My other reads will change based on warbaby's flip and the votes and discussions leading up to it. WB is my strongest read, he goes first - unless someone makes a better case against anyone else.
So far, I don't see one. I see a bullshit OMGUS on me and your nonsense about me not responding to your original nonsense. I could maybe buy the policy vote based on me not voting day 1, but I gave a reason for that, both to the mod who decided to let me off with a warning and to the town. You don't buy it? Fuck you, I'm not selling.
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On January 30 2013 08:41 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today. And I suggest you don't be an asshole to someone who is making a case against you if you want them to un-vote you somewhere down the road.
Why? Is this a fucking popularity contest? If you're too stupid to make your decisions based on logic and just vote/unvote based on who's the nice guy, why the fuck would I want anything to do with you?
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On January 30 2013 08:48 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 08:43 Acid~ wrote:On January 30 2013 08:41 cDgCorazon wrote:On January 30 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
TLDR: Shut the fuck up about why WB is scum and give us some other reads if you don't want to die today. And I suggest you don't be an asshole to someone who is making a case against you if you want them to un-vote you somewhere down the road. Why? Is this a fucking popularity contest? If you're too stupid to make your decisions based on logic and just vote/unvote based on who's the nice guy, why the fuck would I want anything to do with you? The problem is, the logic is not there.
It is there. You have not made an analysis of my case to tell me why it was wrong. You have not responded to my valid concerns about warbaby's play. You have just dismissed them saying "meh, I don't buy it" without giving reason. And now you want to discuss other people and let warbaby off the hook?
If I give you a way to earn town cred by investigating other people and then you just act like a child and say "fuck you", I'm not going to un-vote you.
The reason you want to have something to do with me is because I hold a vote. Perhaps there is one vote separating you from being in this game and being dead. Would you rather not be an asshole to people so they might listen to you, or would you rather be an abrasive douche? Which one will be more likely to save your sorry ass?
I don't care about saving my "sorry" ass, I care about finding scum. If I die today and the vote pattern or discussion reveals warbaby's scumbuddy I'm fine with it. I still win if I'm dead.
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On January 30 2013 12:45 cDgCorazon wrote:
You don't want to die. Dying sucks. You can't trust the town to hunt the targets and use the same arguments as you. You want to be alive personally so you can scumhunt and do your part to help the town win. You can't do that if you're town. Your final contribution to town (if you stay this path) right now is your flip, which would only make the percentages of us getting them the next day go down. We can't take you seriously. You've only tunneled WB. Sure it would put him under the spotlight, but that's not enough to make me lynch him if you flipped town. If you're town, you need to make your contribution greater if you gave us more than one option.
I don't play to live, I play to win. Playing to live is for scum, because they have inevitability. I do trust my townmates because I don't believe I'm anything special and anyone with half a brain is capable of making the remarks I made. Sometimes in chess you have to sacrifice a pawn to take a knight. I do believe that my flipping town will incriminate warbaby, whether you're personally convinced or not.
You dodged my argument, and you're playing to the quietness of D1 (going AFK and not letting anyone know. We would understand if you had said something) and now the discussion-filled D2. You've only tunneled WB all game, and have basically contributed nothing to town. You've been asked multiple times to focus on someone other than WB at least temporarily, and you have not done so. If you have the town's best interests in mind, you would have hunted someone other than WB. Your failure to do so, along with the other reasons and you just acting like a general douchebag, are why I'm voting for you. Understand, or do I need to simplify more?
I understand quite well that you're happy to lynch a townie if you can justify it by saying he was a "douchebag". That's a town tell if I ever saw one!
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On January 30 2013 23:16 Slayalot wrote:
Acid. Now that I see you writing more. Please start to create a better town atmosphere.
You are still tunneling warbaby. And you are going emotional in almost every post.
Lets say warbaby isn't scum, but he gets lynched. What have you contributed with??
If warbaby is town then he essentially won the game for the scum team. What has he contributed besides attacking me for circumstances over which I have no control?
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On January 31 2013 03:06 warbaby wrote:
I thought about Slayalot really well, and why/if I would cast my vote for Acid~ again.
Acid~ is posting more. The only reason to lynch him is because he's being a douchebag (to borrow Cora's rather appropriate verbiage).
Lynching Acid~ for being a douchebag is silly. At least he is picking up his game, and casting a vote D2. Lynching a lurker makes more sense to me, because I don't have a good enough scumread on anyone right now to pursue them.
##Vote: SlayAlot
I really was hoping we could egg SlayAlot on into playing this game properly, but we're halfway through D2 and he hasn't stepped it up. Acid~ has stepped it up, to some extent. I still FoS him for being a useless town, but I can't legitimately come up with a reason to vote him that's not OMGUS (or OMGUDB).
If you guys hop on Acid~'s attempts to mislynch me, and fall for his ridiculous case, then you are idiots. I especially expected more from Zarepath.
See, this doesn't make sense. Going for LAL today because you "don't have a scum read" is essentially admitting that you're useless.
And then, you call my case an "attempt to mislynch" which is implying that I'm scum.
So which is it? Oh, right. now that more and more people seem to be convinced that we can't both be town, you can't lead the charge against me anymore, because then you're screwed tomorrow.
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On January 31 2013 03:10 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:08 Acid~ wrote:
If warbaby is town then he essentially won the game for the scum team. What has he contributed besides attacking me for circumstances over which I have no control? You obviously have not actually read my filter (or didn't pay enough attention while you did). You are projecting your own actions onto me. Stop being a douchebag, please.
You wanted to lynch a lurker day 1, you did it, congratulations. You can't make a case against anyone day 2 because it's really hard when you know all your targets are town and you have to fabricate evidence, so you're again wanting to lynch a lurker day 2.
Here is the actual scumhunting I found in your filter:+ Show Spoiler +
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On January 31 2013 03:19 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:16 Acid~ wrote:
And then, you call my case an "attempt to mislynch" which is implying that I'm scum. Absolutely not. A complete douchebag town is certainly capable of driving a mislynch.
It's not an "attempt" to mislynch if I don't know it's a mislynch. Words have meanings.
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On January 31 2013 03:22 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:21 Acid~ wrote:
It's not an "attempt" to mislynch if I don't know it's a mislynch. Words have meanings. If you aren't cognizant of the fact that your case is bullshit, you're even stupider than I thought.
Why did you not urge town to take their vote off SkaPunk when you did? You said you switched because you had a town read on him. You had been leading town all day, why did not lead town away from what you thought would be a mislynch?
You've been dodging this question all day.
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On January 31 2013 03:30 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:25 Acid~ wrote:
Why did you not urge town to take their vote off SkaPunk when you did? You said you switched because you had a town read on him. You had been leading town all day, why did not lead town away from what you thought would be a mislynch?
You've been dodging this question all day. I never said I swtiched from Ska because I had a town read on him.
O RLY?
On January 28 2013 08:35 warbaby wrote:
##Unvote: SkaPunk
##Vote: abenson
By glurio's metric, we should lynch scum, then scummy lurkers, then lurkers. If SkaPunk's single post was a scum trying to blend in then he's the worst scum ever. My (very weak) read on him is that he's town, but playing with extremely little effort so far. Pressure is apparently not getting a rise from him. Maybe he's not reading the thread, but one would really expect scum to put up some kind of defense when they're 2 hours (is that right?) from being lynched. So I'm going to vote for an actual 100% lurker.
I voted for Ska in the first place to pressure him into posting. It didn't work. I thought maybe there was some >0% chance pressuring someone else to post would work.
Imagine I am the doctor. The doctor NEEDS to make town reads to be an effective doctor (unlike a VT who only really needs to make scum reads). Does that help you understand my play?
I'll imagine you being the doctor once I see the stethoscope on your corpse.
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On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him. The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was. Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him? I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job.
Thank you, that's all I wanted from you 
A nice, juicy scum claim.
If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum.
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On January 31 2013 03:40 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 03:39 Acid~ wrote:On January 31 2013 03:36 warbaby wrote:On January 31 2013 03:36 Sn0_Man wrote:On January 31 2013 03:34 warbaby wrote:
That's not the reason I switched my vote from him. The argument is that if you have a weak town read on ska, you would defend him more, no matter how weak the read was. Why, if you think he was town, did you not make any kind of post trying to save him? I'm not going to defend people I have weak town reads on. It's not my job. Thank you, that's all I wanted from you A nice, juicy scum claim. If it's not your job to lynch scum instead of town, you are scum. That's nonsense. The job of town is to hunt scum, not defend other towns. The job of town is to not vote for people they have a weak town read on.
Actually no, the job of town is to *lynch* scum. Letting town lynch someone you have a soft town read on is not lynching scum. It's not even hunting scum. It's passively letting scum win the game.
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Maybe it's confirmation bias, but warbaby's whole soft-claim thing reads to me like an attempt to bait the real doc into claiming so they can secure a night kill.
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On January 31 2013 05:12 warbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 05:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
@warbaby; we already established that it is very very likely scum did do an action last night, since everybody save cakepie was around Night 1. And not doing an action is pretty silly in a scum game. This speculation doesn't look good. I asked a question because I wasn't sure. Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 05:05 Sn0_Man wrote:
Alright, @ the real doctor: DO NOT CLAIM. Even if warbaby claims, do not counter. He will even know who you protected last night, if he is scum. You're saying the doctor shouldn't claim. But I should claim that I'm the doctor? Telling me to fake claim is not a town-motivated action.
You know that at this point, you basically claimed doc without backing it up? Saying "when I flip you will shit bricks" and "imagine what happens if I am doctor", this does not help town in any way.
As townie, it's irresponsible. You risk outing the real doc and hanging yourself in the process.
As doc, you either hard claim to prevent a mislynch or STFU to preserve your cover.
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On January 31 2013 06:08 warbaby wrote:
By the way, I am using my limited sick days at work due to this flu. So unlike acid I am not just shitting you guys about my personal complications.
You know what sucks more than having to work like an asshole for so many days in a row? Having a prick on the internet busting your ass in a fucking game over it.
If you flip town, I hope I never have to play another game of mafia with you ever again.
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On January 31 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm not switching because I know that if he flips doc I'm going to get called out on it. You guys do a great job of twisting my words. I'm sticking to my guns. If WB flips scum, just know that I put pressure on him too.
If anyone has been listening to anything I say besides what they use to twist my words, it's a tough call. Both have been playing really terrible games. I just feel like Acid's is just a bit worse at this point still.
Just as he called out WB, this is his contribution to the scum hunt: | |
(The space in between the lines is his contribution.)
I actually made a real case against warbaby that included elements that no one, not even him, were able to refute or explain. You also need to accept the fact that different people have different time commitments and availabilities. If you look at my posting pattern this game, you'll see it's roughly the same as in XXXV (low weekend activity, weekdays activity concentrated on early afternoon/late evening) that's just how it is. Work > mafia.
Speaking of blending in however, how am I more scummy than Slayalot on that front?
He's allowed to not contribute because of his work, but I'm not?
The problem I have with you is not that you're attacking me. It's that you're doing so by using bullshit reasons. I did what you asked btw, and re-reading the thread with a clear head I can actually envision a scenario where warbaby is town. Unfortunately in that scenario you are scum. Pushing the two most aggressive townies against each other is a good plan, so well played.
Until we get a counter doc claim:
##Unvote: warbaby
##Vote: cDgCorazon
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On January 31 2013 07:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
Wow Acid, that was like the most delayed OMGUS I've ever seen.
I did not make any plan to have you two fight each other. You two initiated it on the first hours of Day 1. Good job twisting my words (I do believe that it brings up the count to 3 people who have done so now).
I've been accused of wasting my vote, now you're doing the same thing yourself. I envisioned a scenario where WB is town and you are scum. So basically, you're voting for me because you agree with me. That makes no sense.
Slay has been constantly inactive. The town activity level has shifted from way down on D1 to almost normal on D2. Your activity has followed that same pattern as well. I'm not saying that lurking doesn't make you scum, but you're blending in a lot more with your activity level than what Slay is.
You're hoping for a counter doc claim to kill off WB. A counter-claim does absolutely nothing for the town besides getting a Doctor killed and Warbaby executed (which it looks like we might not even need a counter-claim to get him lynched). That in itself is a scummy move.
At least Slay voted D1...
By god, you're right. The most sensible explanation is that instead of working I spent all day analyzing the town activity in order to make my own activity align to the average!
It makes perfect sense!
And in a shocking twist, the guy who lurked the WHOLE game, played it safe, never offended anybody, slipped under the radar by voting along with bandwagon - he is less scummy than me. Because... logic? Because If I am scum and no-voting intentionally, I wouldn't have an excuse ready beforehand, like ALL the scum who do such things?
Just refer to newbie XXXV: no-vote because of RL issues, doesn't warn in advance - is town (OmniEulogy)
no-vote with a lame excuse well prepared several hours before the vote - is scum (JSL)
Also, you might want to look up the definition of OMGUS because I've given plenty of valid reasons for why I think you're suspicious. My vote coming second doesn't make it OMGUS. This game is not a race any more than a popularity contest.
What really troubles me, however, re-reading the thread, is that warbaby just basically OMGUSed me for no reason. Whereas you gave reasons for voting me. All bullshit. The former attitude I can attribute to angry/confused town. The latter is scum.
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On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:49 warbaby wrote:
Lurker 1: cakpie. His single post was probably more useful than all of the contributions of,
Lurker 2: Slay
We need to get rid of these clowns before we can properly scumhunt. I am most comfortable at this point lynching a lurker. Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum.
You don't see any validity in warbaby's doc claim? I hear what you're saying about Cora. I heard it the first time. I'm just not convinced yet.
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On January 31 2013 08:07 warbaby wrote:
##Unvote: Glurio
##Vote: Slayalot
If someone can pin something real on glurio, besides his really blendy and somewhat mediocre play, then I'd still be interested in lynching him now. But as it is my case is too weak.
I'm going with the safe choice, a lurker. I think in the current environment it's too easy for scum to lead the lynch to a useful town. If they mislynch me, there's an 80% chance there is no JK (eg, nobody there to save your sorry asses N2).
Why vote Slay over Cake? Slay says he still does not plan to contribute more. Cake at least claims he's going to make an effort as soon as he can.
Can you make a real case on Slayalot? I want to believe, but you need to convince the other townies as well.
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On January 31 2013 08:11 glurio wrote:
I'm sorry but i won't switch right now. His claim looks like scum trying to stay alive.
He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch.
He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak.
All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.)
Clear scum for me.
I take doc claims seriously, especially in the absence of counter-claims. Remember there is a 5/6 chance of having at least one protective role in this setup and he is the only one who claimed any.
Having two people claim doc means one of them is scum 100% and I'm ok with trading a doc for 50% of the scum team. I might not make the same gambit in a larger game, but here it seems advantageous.
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