Yeah, Hapa almost has to be scum at this point. His lurking has gotten gradually worse over time and he hasn't actually been a real asset for town this game, despite normally being such a good town player.

##Vote Hapahauli

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

January 22 2013 05:27 GMT

#1690

Btw, got roleblocked again..

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 22 2013 05:40 GMT

#1691

hold on, I think I just realized something.

If Xata is claiming the RB again that means it CERTAINLY wasn't a JK. Even a moron would have targetted Zentor last night, and any non-JK town RB would have claimed by now.

In order for Hapa to be scum then either scum roleblocked super, they roleblocked slOosh (not buying it, as there would have been a CC from slOosh and he would've just gotten hapa killed) or they held it.

I can't see them holding the RB and it's certainly possible they RBed super, so not much to go on there, but okay.

Xata has claimed roleblock twice in a row. I think that makes him town, as I don't see why mafia would hold their roleblock twice in a row.

This means that xata should be crossed off the scum lists IMO.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 22 2013 05:46 GMT

#1692

okay no, something is still not making sense to me but I can't figure out why or what it is...

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

January 22 2013 05:55 GMT

#1693

okay so including the RB claim, why would Hapa as scum push Hopeless so hard with not even a shred of a backup plan?

Would a scum really suicidally push a townie that hard? I'm not getting that part at all.

sure, some of his reads look strange in hindsight, after knowing that Hopeless flipped town, but I think you can find town motivation behind most, if not all, of the things that he did. I'm super confused at why a scum, who knows Hopeless is town (and that Hopeless is one of the better players in the game) would just push him so hard for two days straight with not even an ounce of hesitation.

Tunnel-syndrome is almost exclusive to townies. If anyone has seen Hapa play a scum game before in this style I'd love to see it, It is troubling that he didn't do a read-dump and that he's afk now but this is mind boggling to me.

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

January 22 2013 06:09 GMT

#1694

Typing on the phone, but yeah, I think it's scum RB. JK would have surely saved the confirmed Mason. There's ofc the matter of Hapa's RB, but I don't think it's impossible to waste that power. It's not like wasting a KP or something that extreme.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

January 22 2013 12:08 GMT

#1695

Votekaboozle

Hapahauli (5): iamperfection, jaybrundage, grush, wherebugsgo, Xatalos

Not voting (2): Lazermonkey, Hapahauli

Currently, Hapahauli is set to be lynched.
Lotsa time until deadline.

iamperfection

United States9647 Posts

January 22 2013 14:10 GMT

#1696

hapa tunnels regardless of alignment but he is very aware of confirmation bias and is much more willing to drop reads if he changes his mind in his town games.

in his scum games that i remember he does tunnel and is much less willing to change that read unless the whole thread is against him ie( rockband with his tunneling of me)

he does things like her derp scum slip in his scum games that i dont see in his town games (darthpunk in rockband and rosche in this game)

This looks like scum hapa to me.

iamperfection

United States9647 Posts

January 22 2013 15:45 GMT

#1697

plus i think if hapa was town he would have said something by now.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 22 2013 16:01 GMT

#1698

While we obviously don't exactly know how this setup works, we can do some speculation.

The only two possible setups in the game is either:

MMCC??T - 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer

or

MMCCTTT - Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer

So, unless scum is stupid, this would mean they already know (almost certainly, at least) the setup. Now, how is this relevant? Well, during N2 scum didn't actually know anything but that their team consisted of 2Goon + RB or Goon, RB and GF and that SK has flipped. This means that, most likely there would be at least a couple of blue roles. It does seem strange for scum in this position to be RBing Xata if Xata was scum, especially since there was only 10 players left in the game. Assuming two blues, scum would then have a 2/10=20 chance to hit blue only counting pure chance. In reality chances of getting RB on a blue is probebly even greater due to meta changes. This means that scum Xata is probebly very unlikely.

iamperfection

United States9647 Posts

January 22 2013 18:20 GMT

#1699

Where do you stand on hapa lazer?

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

January 22 2013 20:40 GMT

#1700

I'm kind of getting to the point where I think he is scum purely by the process of elimination.

Xata is probebly town.
You seem very town.
WBG does look far better than he did before in my eyes. Stuff like

On January 21 2013 08:51 DearestSnot wrote:
LOL this guy, saying I caught slOosh because I am scum. What the actual fuck?

First of all, most of this latest stuff is WIFOMy and not really alignment indicative. Super had a townish read on you, cool story bro. He also had a scumread on Prom. You had a motherfucking "town read" on Prom and you didn't even bother defending him.

This effort seems townish, but it's too little, too late and simply serves to undermine a good lynch. Let's go through with it now, because I can almost guarantee that if Hopeless lives today we 're gonna have to go through this shit again.

Seems to be comming from town. Had he been scum, I think he would've been more inclined to swap over to me. I think that Hopeless last minute post was looking very townie, and if WBG had actually pushed me I very well could've died. After that, we could risk exactly what WBG said. Even if Hopeless would survive today, he would have a hard time surviving tomorrow. And by that time he'd look even worse.

That leaves grush, Jay and Hapa. Atm I think grush is looking the worst, but I'm cool with Hapa lynch as well.