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On January 24 2013 08:05 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 08:01 jaybrundage wrote:On January 24 2013 07:53 grush57 wrote:
Well I meant that going through wbg's filter im not 100% sure he is scum, and I should lynch lazermonkey. Can you give me your reasoning for wanting to put the lynch between you and WBG. Instead of just straight up lynching lazer who you believe is scum? Idk stupid reasoning, I thought we would save time if we just decide between me and wbg so the game would essentially be over. If i get lynched gg, if we lynch wbg then lazermonkey would prolly just surrender.
Yea doesnt make much sense I mean assuming WBG and Lazermonkey are scum you might save some time. But neither of those things are guaranteed. Granted looking at what we got I think that lynching Lazer tmw would be the best idea.
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On January 24 2013 23:43 iamperfection wrote:
i might have to save the rest of you to this afternoon.
some questions though while i ponder
1- jay describe your town play to me if you would be so kind.
2- grush wbg is town who is your scum team?
I respond to this so people can get a better read on me and I dont get mislynched.
For the most part my play as town is extremely scummy. In fact two games ago I went about the entire thread proclaiming i was the best mislynch na. aaaand i got mislynched. In fact besides my recent game of British MM. I have only survived one game with out being mislynched because town palmar played with me before and had a town read on me. Every game besides that I have been mislynched.
That is why I have been trying to change my play style as obviously people think its scummy. In British MM I think I did a good job of trying to convey my townie intentions. And this game I was doing my best to help the town find scum. But with my internet situation, it makes it very difficult to post at all.
On January 25 2013 04:39 Lazermonkey wrote:JayWell, after really analysing his filter, I must say he looks far far worse than grush. 1. His vote on Hopeless.All of Jay's votes this far has been super funky. But the one who is by far the most funky is his vote on hopeless. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 10:26 slOosh wrote:
jay, you haven't objectively commented on hopeless. Right now you have him as town because you think I'm scum. That won't do. What about his posts show that he is town? Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on. However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process. SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning. Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?
Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?
@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.) So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch? Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless? I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Bugs, how do you go from: On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.
slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.
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##vote slOosh to On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.
I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.
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##vote Hopeless1der In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless. @Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII? Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively. In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=52#1022Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town. Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself. is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First. Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?: On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?
If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.
Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town. Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself? Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation ##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh
On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless? Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread. @Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum? On January 18 2013 09:45 jaybrundage wrote:Given that Sloosh was SK. It makes my read of hopeless off. I assumed that sloosh would flip scum which would make Hopeless more likly to be town. But with Sloosh flipping SK it makes Hopeless seem a lot scummier imo. Tmw we should lynch hopeless or lynch grush. His pretty useless and hasn't contributed at all. When he does deem to give his reads. He doesn't follow it with any reasoning. Also Mr.Z i said it before but you gotta step it up. Where is the late game Mr.Z that was promised to me  Just look how he goes from, ''I have a slight town read on Hopeless regardless of SlOosh flipping scum or not'' to ''I think Hopeless is scum because SlOosh flipped SK''. He doesn't actully give out any reasoning for voting Hopeless what so ever. Even better, he doesn't actually push Hopeless at all and before Hopeless is lynched, he asks Hopeless to give out his reads in case he is town (Lol). Instead he goes on to poke a bit on grush for lurking. 2. His interactions with Hapaself-explanatory + and I did post about this earlier. 3. He doesn't really have any town reads.Giving out town reads usually isn't alignment indicative. But the way Jay does it, I feel it is. His only real town reads (and by ''real'', I'm excluding stuff like null/slight town shit) were WBG and MrZentor. Both for shit reasons. WBG because he said that it made no sense for both him and SlOosh and WBG to be scum but SlOosh hadn't even flipped at that point. MrZentor because he defended him at the start if D1... I get the impression that he is trying to buddy up with the vets while setting up bandwagons everywhere else. 4. His back and forth with grushNote that this is actually not that dependant on grush being scum, though it does indeed make him look worse if grush is indeed scum. Basically all game he has got a scum read on grush it seems, yet he doesn't want to vote him nor truly push him. He just keeps on poking him a little bit now and then. Very non-commital. Look at British Empire MM where he had a scum read on Mr.CC and note the big diference compared to this game. In both game he was having a scum read who noone else was really interested in. In British, he kept pushing Mr. CC like a madman. In this game, not so much. Also, why no vote on grush? In British he mentions CC for like the third time ever in the game and BAM, vote right away. + Show Spoiler +On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
So regarding Jay's stuff on DP... it doesn't look very good. It looks a lot like he's trying to shovel shit on DP.
After Hero Mini, my view on Jay is that he's lynch-bait, so I'm rather hesitant about lynching him. Right now, I'm unsure how likely his behavior is coming from a "town-Jay." His play on it's face is scummy, but I really need to hear more from him.
@ Jay
What do you make of my newly disclosed town-read on DP? Agree or disagree?
Secondly, your quote accusing DP of assuming I was town was very clearly mis-interpreting his actions (in which he very clearly qualified as only IF I was town). It doesn't look very good. Explain yourself. First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So Xatalos is scummy yo
So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy.
Dat 180 on DP. Explain. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote
##Vote Mr.CheeseCake Even now, he hasn't voted grush. He keeps on pushing him like mad, yet he says we should vote for me tomorrow.
1. SLoosh being the SK was something I didn't see coming. It did alter my read on hopeless alot. Also I assumed hapa was town then as well. So i was ok going with his read. I have never played with scum hapa before. I ask him to give his reads in case he may have been town because as the victim of many mislynches there is always a chance that your scum reads are wrong. Thats why i encouraged him to post his reads. He also did his best to help town change the lynch. I dont find it smart to be overly confident in your reads.
2. Never played with scum hapa before. However after i noticed how differently he starting playing. And after Lamp made some good points on his play, I started to get a scum read on him.
3. I never like to give out town reads. I said this in this game and also in my last game in British MM.
4. You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. CC was townie. If he didn't have that doctor claim I would of probably kept tunneling him till he flipped. This was a bad aspect of my play that I want to try to eliminate.
I do think that grush can be scum. But I want to put pressure on him regardless of his alignment. As the most he posts the easier he would be to read. You dont need a vote to apply pressure. Also grush hasnt really been a lynchable candidate much this game. And Lamp's point was a good one grush is a bit of a coin flip. That's why even now im hesitant.
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On January 25 2013 09:02 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 08:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't see how xata can be scum, grush is just flailing at this point ok def wbg + jay scum team. ##Vote: Jaybrundage
Given Grush and Lazer are coming together to try to lynch make makes it seem a hell of a lot more likely for one of them to be scum.
Similar to how Z-bo and Yamato went for the same mislynch at LYLO in British Mafia.
##Vote LazerMonkey
But at this point I would be willing to lynch either as scum.
WBG whats your thoughts on the grush lazer scum team?
Any preference on who we lynch between the two?
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On January 25 2013 13:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
I think I prefer grush based on his interaction with hapa, but to be honest I see no possibility other than grush + lazer anyway.
Yea it's the only one that makes any sense imo. Tho I had a scum read on Xalatos earlier he has been posting alot more townie. And also the roleblocks don't make much sense on him as scum.
And if you were scum you would just vote me and seal the mislynch.
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On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:@Jay's response 1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also: Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game.
Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different.
I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense.
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##Vote Grush57
As i said im fine with either grush or lazer
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On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
where the fuck is xata?
Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush.
I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple.
WBG what changed your scum reads?
What makes you convinced that im scum now?
Also why do you think grush and lazer is too simple?
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On January 26 2013 19:58 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:On January 25 2013 20:31 Lazermonkey wrote:@Jay's response 1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also: You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game. Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different. I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense. You see, I think you are lying here. Note the bolded part in this post: Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote:On January 17 2013 10:26 slOosh wrote:
jay, you haven't objectively commented on hopeless. Right now you have him as town because you think I'm scum. That won't do. What about his posts show that he is town? Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on. However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process. SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning. On January 17 2013 10:26 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 17 2013 09:51 jaybrundage wrote:On January 17 2013 09:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
Question the first:
Why did Hapa vote for Ruuch?
Question the second:
Why did I vote for Ruuch?
@Lamp: Do you find my read of you suspicious, based on the posting, and circumstances surrounding the replacement, of Ruuch? By which I mean, do you think it is conceivable that I would arrive at a townread of you based on the limited information available?Ill answer these. I think both of you voting for Ruunch was stupid. It was a dumb wagon. He is a completely new at this game. Doesn't know what hes doing. His late vote was completely a null tell. He doesnt know whats scummy and whats townie. He has never had experience playing this game before. He probably felt a bit overwhelmed (hence why he later quit.) So my question to you is why did you vote Ruunch? Also Ziggler why did you decide to vote SlOosh over say WBG or LM or Hopeless? I asked the questions in that manner because my reasons were completely different than Hapa's. I was doing what little I could to save Prom, short of blowing up at the thread and calling everyone stupid, which seems to be the go-to response these days. Hapa on the other hand has been touting his scum-Prom read and all of the sudden feels its a good idea to go after Ruuch as a policy lynch. I won't deny it was a stupid wagon, but I felt it was a better to lose him than Prom. I didn't read Ruuch as scum, I read him as expendable, in comparison to Prom. Hapa trying to equate our votes as being equally scummy: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2013 05:17 Lazermonkey wrote:Bugs, how do you go from: On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this.
slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum.
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##vote slOosh to On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.
I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless. @Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII? Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively. In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=52#1022Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town. Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself. is a massive load of bull. I appreciate your efforts to put words in my mouth, like my "implied" super strong town read of Prom, while simultaneously disregarding Question the First. Furthermore, the "assume you're town" was specifically TO iamperfection because he asked me to explain myself. Are you going to jump down his throat for this post?: On January 16 2013 06:10 iamperfection wrote:
Do you still mantain he is scum?
If he was scum he would have had access to other players in order to coach him. If you look at his posts he is clearly lost and has no clue what he is doing.
Ill have to go back to the vote swaping when I get home because I now know that people were jumping from town to town. Or does he get a free pass because he was speaking about himself? Anyways, it seems I need to look towards self-preservation ##Unvote: Lazermonkey
##Vote: SlOosh
On January 17 2013 10:14 iamperfection wrote:
so what was your reasoning for your town read on me hopeless? Primarily based on Ruuch's limited interactions with the thread. @Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum? You see, it actually doesn't make any sense for you to be swapping your reads on Hopeless just because SlOosh slips SK. From scum PoV SlOosh looks just like a townie, so why would you actually change your read (town hopeless -> scum hopeless) because SlOosh flipped SK? Had SlOosh been town and Hopeless been scum, scum would have been just as inclined to save Hopeless as if Hopeless were scum and SlOosh SK. I think this logical faliure is a quite strong proof of that you cannot be town...
Does it make sense logically no it doesn't. But due to my absent in the game with internet problems. I felt it better to sheep vets I had town reads on them to refuse to lynch someone I had a mostly null read on. While it's not optimal play I wasn't confident in my own reads to go against some vets I had a town read on.
Also I'm in NYC for some of the weekend for my aunts 25 anniversary. So hopefully I can be a bit more active.
Xatalos what's your opinions on the scum team?
Do you think that Grush Lazer if the most likely. The only other one I can think of that would make sense would be WBG Lazer.
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On January 26 2013 22:19 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:
##Vote Grush57
As i said im fine with either grush or lazer Don't you really have any preference? Do you care about the lynch or are you just sheeping the result?
While I think Lazer/Grush is the mostly likley I voted Lazer first cause, Lamp's last words about Grush being a coin flip kind of stuck with me.
While I think they are still the most likely scum team. Grush's case against bugs while not a great case had some good effort in it. I pushed him for it some content. And he stepped up so I hesitated to vote him first.
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On January 27 2013 03:15 Xatalos wrote:
Btw Jay, why do you include WBG in your scum choices? Wasn't he a good townread for you?
Im trying to think out side the box a bit. I rather be open to idea's then remain close minded. At this point in LYLO I tend to go over my reads again and rethink them to see if i missed anywhere. Similar to me changing my read in Zentor in British MM.
Hell I went over your filter recently.
@Grush How about you try to get the thread active and change peoples opinions. Djodref did it and changed a mislynch hopeless tried. The fact that you have this give up act just makes me think your scum playing on emotions.
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On January 27 2013 03:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol I'm terrible at this.
Yeah if jay was truly inactive because of internet problems that says nothing about his activity. All three of these guys were virtually useless the entire game.
WBG why did you switch your read one me?
What makes Grush and Lazer unlikely?
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On January 27 2013 03:30 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 03:24 jaybrundage wrote:On January 27 2013 03:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lol I'm terrible at this.
Yeah if jay was truly inactive because of internet problems that says nothing about his activity. All three of these guys were virtually useless the entire game. WBG why did you switch your read one me? What makes Grush and Lazer unlikely? I literally do not have a read on any of you, it might as well be day 1, 1 hour into the game. None of you have done anything all game that is significantly alignment indicative to me.
Palmar would know im town T_T
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On January 27 2013 03:40 wherebugsgo wrote:
I went back and reread the end of thrawn's filter.
I really do not think his death on n2 was mere coincidence. He had at some point stated he had a scumread on grush, and pushed Lazer super hard. He urged us to lynch Lazer over hopeless the next day. And he died, and I really doubt he was a blue snipe; I don't remember him feeling blue at all.
Based on this Lazer may be a better option than grush today.
Thoughts Xata?
People who were suspicious of lazer have all died..,. Thrawn. Supersoft
And every time people try to lynch lazer he squeaks out of the lynch. This was part of my reasoning for voting him before.
When thrawn died I felt it was kinda weird as I would of thought they would try to take someone like Lamp instead.
Tell me this tho WBG you said at one point you were 100% sure grush was scum. What changed that read to make you want lynch lazer over grush?
Also Xat whats your thoughts on grush lack of defense?
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On January 27 2013 04:06 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 04:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
you make no effort at convincing us you're town.
You also make no effort at figuring out who is scum.
At this point I think I'm the only one who has entertained the possibility that you are town, grush, and quite honestly given your play I feel pretty stupid for it. No, I'm considering it too. That's why I want to kill Jay first...
Im sure you want to kill me. Cause if you mislynch me you win sooooooooo
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Also the fact that lazer is resisting the grush lynch. Even when he thinks the scum team is me and grush. Makes me feel more confident in a grush lazer scum team.
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On January 27 2013 04:18 grush57 wrote:
COMMAN JAY OR LAZER WHO WE GOING FOR WBG
WBG is your number 1 scum read. So your asking scum who to vote for....
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On January 27 2013 04:35 grush57 wrote:
You guys consult him for everything so why not ask him>
Cause you have a "scum" read on him. How is this not common sense?
The more you post your scummier you look. So plz keep posting.
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On January 27 2013 04:46 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 04:43 grush57 wrote:
Exactly. You guys are mislynching me. Both Lazer and Jay have a chance of flipping scum. So instead of actually trying to convince us that you are a misslynch you ask your scum read on who to vote?
Ya Should of bussed grush faster
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So if you don't think grush is scum, and you want to kill lazer who do you think the scum team consists of.
Also is it just a process of elimination? You switch to lazer because you dont think grush is scum? But is there anything lazer said recently that changed your mind at all?
Also you are stating what I said about grush in the first place... Yes he put in effort. But do you not think that scum grush could change his meta a bit? Trying to catch people on purely meta is usually bad as they can change it. I kept pushing grush this whole game and he produced a case. But it seems you act like scum grush has to do the same thing each game.
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WBG doesnt your whole case rely on Grush not knowing how to change his meta?
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