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hold on, here is some of my work.
this very well may be the most epic case in mafia history
+ Show Spoiler + being mean Kenpachi, you're a pretty cool dude, I'm sorry :"(.
There have been rumors, starting in LIV.
That I have, mystical powers.
They rarely unleash.
This, is a special case.
(LOL YEAH I JUST MADE A LIST WHEN I SAID MAKING LISTS ARE SCUMMY DEAL WITH IT)
You would except him to pick 1-2 vets 2-3 normals and 2-3 noobs right
1.(The smart, cunning godfather) Mr.Wiggles(1 vet down) He posts long, too long to read. He knows better than to lynch someone with no information. I also heard he is pretty good at mafia. If you look at his posts, only a page and there is a lot of indecisiveness in his posts.
2.(The undeserving vet)Mattchew(MAKE IT 1.5) His trap, was actually a trap to get a townie to question him and to get an easy peasy day2 town lynch. He was also lurking and he is a vet common bro you are better.
3.(The bigshot normal)StrongandBig(Pewpew 1)Im running for mayor, jk, no seriously. Et, no gf Mr.Wiggles.Buss my buddy gambit.
4.(Deh studious lurker)Gambitxc32(1(forduhnubs)) I can imagine the qt now(YO GAMBIT MY MAN U GONNA LURK CUZ ALL DEEZ NUBZ ARE LURKING LOL, THO WHEN THEY FIGURE THAT ME, WIGGZ, IS GF U GOTTA VOTE ET SO WE DON'T LOOK CONNECTED)## Studious VOTE: agree. Oh and yeah he is a lurker and was scared of wbg getting on his case and went for him. He obviously is paying attention to game responding to jaj(?) post asking him about stuff or w/e lol.
5.(idk actually, lets say normal)Zealos(yeah were about quick to lynch someone who is town(LOL THEY DONT KNWO THAT I KNOW WHO IS TOWN) aww yeah towncred(like they were actually gonna lynch toad lol such easy cred town fools) Better lurk it up you know, be scummy and put no effort LOL wtf zealos.
6.papapanda or... Manason. When Kenpachi(♥) mentioned him I was like, holy shit these town nubs let another scum hide, brbbbb gotta check dem filter and this took a long time to post and I saw that you put starsenses. Now, I think you might say that or w\e because u think I'll mislead them, but no i am a wizard. Basically, he was doing a bunch of a lil commenting on people not on my starsense list saying bs, less than a page of filter, however he commented on my starsenses so I love him and probly not mafia. Manason- MMK CHECKED HIS FILTER 3RD PAGE-DONT LYNCH GRUSH POLICY LYNCHES ARE BAD. Okay, someone in your QT played LIV and knew how I screwed up town and told everyone to not lynch me so I'd screw up the game. All the people who wanted me dead early game was town(Sinesis and Bh) Noob mistake of saying(ooh protect my gf Mr. Wiggles) more 1 liners blah blah blah too long, OMG YOU GUYS ARE ON MY BUDDY LETS BRING UP KITAMAN27. No, he made the same mistake as me in LIV, randomly voted someone. My starsense powers sais he is town.
I was actually right on 5 of them.
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oops I didn;'t quote it i copy pasted lol
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why is mr z town again?
Can someone explain to it slowly to me?
He literally did absolutely nothing this last cycle
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On January 18 2013 06:27 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 02:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
also xatalos is still abstaining, which is hilarious.
You're not going to lynch me today, or probably ever. Pick between slOosh and Hopeless. It really seems like Sloosh vs Hopeless at this point, yeah... That wasn't (at least completely) the case before I went to sleep + work, but now it's pretty much a waste to vote anyone else. Considering Sloosh / Hopeless: I think one of them is likely scum, but it's very unlikely that they are both scum. Sloosh lurked all of N1 and only returned to the thread during D2 after he was pressured to give his opinions... And lately he's just talked about lurkers or how this lynch might affect people's scumreads. Hopeless looks worse though with his self-proclaimed townread on Prom (while at the same time soft pushing him and really not caring about him getting lynched), clear apathy towards scumhunting, switching his reads around very easily depending on the thread, inactivity... The list just goes on and on. Hopeless should be the one to get lynched. ##Unvote wherebugsgo
##Vote Hopeless1der This is actually quite interesting, Xata realizes that WBG isn't happening and says that both looks scummy but it's unlikely that both are scum. He then chooses to vote Hopeless, even tho my impression from the post is that he just as well could've voted hopeless. I don't think Hopeless and Xatalos are scum together. It makes no sense with the lynch this close to buss.
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Nothing happening atm : (. I'm going to the cinema + food for a few hours. Should be back before deadline tho.
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Should I start organizing my search parties?
where us everybody?
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Two things of note:
Zentor has incredibly minimal interaction with Hopeless, but at one point chose to call Hopeless shady. There is one other mention of Hopeless where Zentor says Hopeless was subtly defending some people, but other than that there's nothing.
Something to keep in mind for the future (also, this entire past cycle he did absolutely nothing. He chose to vote slOosh and lurked the day away, something I'd expect scum to do, given that scum tend to start the game off more active and drop off as it drags on)
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On January 18 2013 23:54 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 06:27 Xatalos wrote:On January 18 2013 02:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
also xatalos is still abstaining, which is hilarious.
You're not going to lynch me today, or probably ever. Pick between slOosh and Hopeless. It really seems like Sloosh vs Hopeless at this point, yeah... That wasn't (at least completely) the case before I went to sleep + work, but now it's pretty much a waste to vote anyone else. Considering Sloosh / Hopeless: I think one of them is likely scum, but it's very unlikely that they are both scum. Sloosh lurked all of N1 and only returned to the thread during D2 after he was pressured to give his opinions... And lately he's just talked about lurkers or how this lynch might affect people's scumreads. Hopeless looks worse though with his self-proclaimed townread on Prom (while at the same time soft pushing him and really not caring about him getting lynched), clear apathy towards scumhunting, switching his reads around very easily depending on the thread, inactivity... The list just goes on and on. Hopeless should be the one to get lynched. ##Unvote wherebugsgo
##Vote Hopeless1der This is actually quite interesting, Xata realizes that WBG isn't happening and says that both looks scummy but it's unlikely that both are scum. He then chooses to vote Hopeless, even tho my impression from the post is that he just as well could've voted hopeless. I don't think Hopeless and Xatalos are scum together. It makes no sense with the lynch this close to buss.
what about hopeless being scum by himself? same thing with xatalos?
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As town, I'm only active when town needs me to be or when I disagree with the lynch.
Neither of those things has happened, so of course I'm not going to be spamming up the thread.
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On January 19 2013 06:19 MrZentor wrote:
As town, I'm only active when town needs me to be or when I disagree with the lynch.
Neither of those things has happened, so of course I'm not going to be spamming up the thread.
That seems pretty convieniant.
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If you doubt the veracity, just compare my town play in British Empire Mafia and Paranoia Mafia.
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Tomorrow town should put a lot of focus on hopeless and lazermonkey with special emphasis on lazermonkey. both lynches people have actively pushed for his lynch and it just couldn't happen. yes, "town" have been lynched both times so that's not proof that lazer is scum, but the fact that lazer has been so scummy and not been lynched should be more than enough to convince you to at least go back through filters and read stuff that's been written about him. Here's D1 votecount:
On January 15 2013 08:07 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Cakecount:
Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (6): slOosh, Hapahauli, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos
Lazermonkey (3): Promethelax, Hopeless1der, supersoft
MrZentor (1): wherebugsgo
Not Voting (2): Ruuch, lazermonkey
Currently, Promethelax is set to be lynched!
Less than an hour left until the deadline.
PM me or CC if I dun screwed up the count.
Remember - you must vote!
I'm using the last votecount before ruuch entered the thread. 2 people on lazer's wagon were confirmed town. That plus EVERYTHING that's happened since N1 should be more than enough to reason to hang lazermonkey. Just go back and read the exchange I had with him where he was completely unable to talk about reads, other than the read he was sheeping. (also interesting to mention that lazer was sheeping wbg, even tho wbg was one of the very few people it looked like lazer might be suspicious of.)
The small amount he posted earlier today was scummy.. his most recent conclusion/insight is that hopeless and xatalos are probably not both scum. How is this helpful at all? It's the latest in a long pattern of lazermonkey making no attempt at all to scumhunt.
Hapa is also one to worry about. D1 he pushed to lynch prom, then abandoned his scumread to vote for ruuch. If hapa turns out to be scum, I don't think that will say anything about ruuch's alignment. If ruuch is scum, he would have been a great buss opportunity. In N1 and D2 hapa tunneled hopeless the majority of the time.... but I don't remember him actually trying too hard to get hopeless lynched or entering into other conversations.
I think wbg is town but you should pay attention to how well he contributes towards lynching scum from here on out. Same thing applies to hapa.
everyone else I don't really have any relevant thoughts about.
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I might not be here around deadline and if I die, please kill Lazer and Hopeless.
Assuming 3 scum, and assuming both Lazer and Hopeless are scum, the last one is between grush/zentor/Xata and my order of preference is that order. There are lots of good things going for a town-view of Xata, so force him to contribute as long as he is alive and as long as things make sense he should be fine. Zentor and grush are somewhat similar-looking to me and I keep waffling between them, but they both look terrible. If one of them dies and flips town just kill the other one. Chances are strong that if one of Lazer/Hopeless is town then they are both scum IMO.
Kill Lazer and Hopeless first.
Reevaluate after each death, after every flip, and MAKE SURE you read the comments of confirmed townies such as SS, myself, etc. after we are dead. Do not forget them.
Game shouldn't be that hard IMO unless someone like Hapa or Jay has snuck scum.
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The SloOsh flip wasn't bad, but we still have a long ways to go. GL surviving the night, and hopefully I'll be joining you guys tomorrow.
Hopeless1der is still scum. For all the reasons I've mentioned for the last 48 hours.
Atleast 2 (possibly 3) scum should have been on the SloOsh wagon.
SloOsh is one of the better town players on TL, and not wasting an NK on him was likely one of scum's priorities.
On January 18 2013 08:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
Votecount:
Hopeless1der (5): Hapahauli, slOosh, Xatalos, iamperfection, grush57
slOosh (6): jaybrundage, MrZentor, Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, thrawn, Hopeless1der
Lazermonkey (0): Hopeless1der
hopeless set to be lynched!
WBG/Thrawn - They seem the most concerned with scumhunting in the thread, and I think they're town.
Jaybrundage - Nothing about his vote seemed malicious. He dropped a vote, pushed the lynch, and seemed very reasonable throughout. Leaning town on him.
Hopeless - Is scum.
MrZentor - I had him town earlier, but his activity has dropped off a cliff.
On January 17 2013 01:41 MrZentor wrote:For the record, I would also love to lynch Sloosh. 
On January 17 2013 01:44 MrZentor wrote:
##unvote
##vote slOosh
Gogogogogo
This is all he mentions on the subject of voting SloOsh. However, I don't know why MrZ was so willing to vote SloOsh when he was so suspicious of WBG towards the end of Day 1:
On January 15 2013 08:49 MrZentor wrote:
Idk, WBG would certainly be a fun lynch.
On January 14 2013 11:51 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote:On January 14 2013 11:41 MrZentor wrote:Scum don't laugh at jokes. SS is confirmed town. + Show Spoiler + You think its that simple eh >.< Z who would you go for lynch today. You have been saying your town reads. But who's your best bet on as scum. Idk, WBG, Hopeless, Xata, and Hapa are all kind of shady. I'll try to narrow it down to one or two suspects tomorrow.
In fact, one of MrZ's only "case" contributions this game happens to be on WBG:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=37#734
Given that WBG was the main driving force behind the SloOsh wagon, I'd expect more skepticism. The amount of trust he had for the SloOsh wagon reads a lot like he's pushing the wagon out of convenience. I think he's one who should be focused on tomorrow as well. Try to gauge his activity and responsiveness, because that's what tips his alignment more than anything else.
Lazermonkey - I still don't know what to think of him. I have a hard time believing that a Hopeless (as scum) would bus his scumbuddy so hard. That being said, he has a 7 page filter and very little substance in there. He spends most of the time defending himself and making one-liners about one thing or another. His only major scumhunting contribution yesterday was the following:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=60#1198
And it's just a list without any substantial analysis, or evidence that he's closely reading the thread. I hope I have one more day to give him a closer look.
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I didn't think a SK existed (since there was only one kill N1), but it seems like we got lucky with our lynch. This means we don't have the risk of 2 townies dying / night (although it could have been possible for him to hit Mafia as well). I'm also fairly certain he would have killed me tonight otherwise - he was so convinced of me being blue.
That brings with it another problem though. Scum might agree with his assessment and shoot me tonight. That's why I'm posting the best course of action for tomorrow before I'm (possibly) shot.
What are the goals for Mafia?
As far as I can see it, there are three goals that Mafia are naturally pushing in this game:
1) Silence (lurking, discouraging discussion, denying information)
2) Chaos (casting suspicion at a wide pool of suspects, keeping the thread unorganized, manipulating the discussion/vote)
3) Survival (staying off the radar, not being at the center of attention)
Of course Mafia can try appearing more townish, but pushing their agenda is natural for them. It's really hard to avoid at least subconsciously going against the town's good. And in the end, why *would* Mafia do more than necessary (to avoid being lynched) to aid town?
Who are pushing these goals?
I had WBG as my #1 scumread at the end of N1, but actually I think he's town after all. Looking at the events of D2, he did basically nothing to further Mafia's goals. He had a surge of activity during D2 and engaged in various discussions, increasing the thread's activity as a whole. He actively tried to keep the thread organized and focused on two lynch candidates (Sloosh/Hopeless) to gain more information from the lynch and to make it harder for Mafia to manipulate the vote. He absolutely didn't stay off the radar - and was even the center of attention for most of the day.
Jay also had a somewhat similar surge of activity during D2. I'm starting to think he might be just a townie who got off to a bad start after all. His behaviour is certainly among the towniest for D2.
If not them, then who?
Notable is that during D2 a lot of players were lurking / sheeping / staying off the radar (MrZentor, grush, Hopeless, Lazermonkey). I'm pretty certain that there are at least 2 Mafia in this group.
MrZentor - his early game suggested him being town based on meta, but I'm extremely uncomfortable with his apathy, lurking and sheeping for N1+D2+N2. It's actually starting to look like his scum meta at this point. If this keeps up, he's likely Mafia.
Lazermonkey - I don't still think he's scum. Kush appeared very townie to me and although Lazermonkey has made some bad plays, I think he's just confusing things and being unfortunate right now.
grush - totally lurking and sheeping all game. Could be very well scum.
Hopeless - most likely scum. With Sloosh flipping SK, it makes sense for him to be scum as well.
Started writing this a bit too late and running out of time, so here is it. More later if I'm still alive.
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bah i wish you guys would have posted earlier
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Day 3![[image loading]](http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/specials/scrapbook/1bday/1bday5.jpg)
Through a trick of tricky trickery, thrawn2112 was trickily lured into a tricky trap:
It was a room. With an evil baby in it.
The results were not pretty.
thrawn2112, the Pumpkin Cheesecake (Mason), was ripped apart brutally by a villain baby posessed by the devil.
It is Day 3. You have 48 hours to lynch a person of your choosing. Sry for delay.
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GG thrawn, way to fight the good fight.
##Vote Hopeless1der
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