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On January 15 2013 09:53 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2013 09:46 MrZentor wrote:
SS isn't very good if he can't be bothered to glance through any of my last few games to realize I'm town. This also applies to you, WBG, especially considering you voted for me.
no one in this game is very good, which means that we're forced to do the hardest thing in mafia, sift through the players and determine whether or not their stupidity is alignment indicative.
Barring maybe 2-3 players in this game, one of whom we just lynched, stupidity is not alignment indicative, which means that when they roll scum it's gonna be hard as fuck to tell.
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I have, actually. The difference isn't as significant as you say it is.
Activity differences aren't everything. Also, I'm tired of you playing like shit every game regardless of your alignment. Sometimes you even play like shit on purpose.
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if I ever get a gun and you're in the game with me MrZ, I can assure you I will consider killing you just for the lols.
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anyway on a serious note:
the two who escaped lynch yesterday through that prom debacle were Lazer and Xatalos. I am more suspicious of Xatalos, considering that he wasn't around as much during lynch time. He just kinda slinked away, while Lazer at the very least was around and doing stuff. His only contributions really were asking slOosh why his opinion changed on him-very self-centric.
Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too)
Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft
Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax
Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der
The bolded votes are shady. Ruuch avoided a modkill/replacement by voting right before the deadline. I think that's too close to consider that coincidence. We will have to kill him at some point and there's almost no way scum will shoot him, ever. I suppose we can push him off till later, but I know the game will come down to it at some point.
Jay, don't waste your vote tomorrow if you are town. If I die tonight and jay gets away without contributing much, please someone tunnel the fuck out of him.
Secondly, the late votes on Prom: Ruuch's is the worst. Xatalos's is also pretty bad, considering that I never actually felt that he cared about the lynch. His argument was that he preferred Prom over Lazer. Whatever. Zentor and Grush are basically either trolls or scum, and grush's contributions this game err on the side of scum for me.
In addition to all of these players we have Hopeless, who seems to be feigning reasonability to live. He doesn't seem to be very interested in finding scum, either.
So, we have at least 4-5 players who I would confidently label "antitown" and not all of them can be scum. Wonderful.
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On January 15 2013 11:24 jaybrundage wrote:
@WBG I wasnt here for the a good couple hours in the night as i had to go to work. Guess you missed that post Xatalos was my scum read at that moment so i voted him
you're right, I did miss that, that's my bad.
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On January 15 2013 12:10 slOosh wrote:
What do you think of supersoft's playstyle? He set up two hypothetical scum teams and is now using a town flip in one to push the other. It is something scum can pull off and requires at least two mislynches before getting called out on.
I can understand some of his perspectives, not that I agree with all of them. He's been okay so far.
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one thing that bothers me about jay's posting is that he summarized a bunch of shit for no good reason.
I looked through jubjub and if I remember correctly he did it a bit in that game as scum, but I'm not entirely sure whether he would post this much content as scum (he didn't there)
Anyway, if I'm not back before deadline, and I die, for tomorrow:
1. Either force Ruuch to play the game, or kill him.
2. Keep an eye on Xatalos, grush, Hopeless, at least one of them is likely scum IMO.
3. It's fairly likely that there's a scum between the more active/towny looking players, there almost always is. Between super and slOosh, if they at any point stop making sense or lead bad lynches, or have reads that are terrible, kill them. I can't necessarily say the same about the other players since they are more likely to do stupid shit as town. If you end up having an "auto-town" read on one of these players and the game goes to lylo, and they have not been under suspicion all game, consider killing them at that point. This is what I meant about the sciberbia thing, in Yet Another Mini I had an auto-town read and occasional niggling suspicion about sciberbia but it never was fleshed out into any sort of read and I perpetually procrastinated on fully reading his posts because I didn't view them as that important. I basically didn't pay attention to him. Don't make that same mistake.
4. If there are two kills at any point in the game, strongly consider the possibility of SK.
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the SK is usually bulletproof, or one shot bulletproof.
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yeah, but I've never seen an SK pick DT-immune. I've hosted a fair number of C9++ with SKs and every single one picked BP.
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someone who shows up 3 minutes before the lynch just to vote to avoid modkill is a policy lynch.
It's that simple.
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On January 16 2013 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
it's not a scumslip. what happened is that LM thought that he had been caught in a scumslip, and then lied to try and make the 'scumslip' not seem like a scumslip. his attitude towards super doesn't make sense either
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all I hear is:
"derp derp derp my name is thrawnbunchofnumbers and I think lazermonkey is scum for a singular reason that is not actually a scumslip but I'll call it one and then later say I don't think it's one and then say lazer thought it was a scumslip derp because X because derp so therefore he is scum derp and then completely ignore context and everything else in the thread that could explain things because derp it's a scumslip oh wait it's not a scumslip he just thought it was a scumslip oh wait something about jay yes that's right he's scum jay is scum because super yes indeed derp"
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if you think a player is scum for ONE thing he said, pulling it out of context of everything else that he said and happened at the time, that's calling someone scum for a supposed scumslip.
Whether or not you call it that is completely irrelevant, given that the fact you ignore any plausible town explanation for what he said. You think it's a scumslip. It's not. It's almost completely alignment null and whether or not he is scum should be determined from stuff that actually is relevant.
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I gave you a pass since you at least had decent reasons to call LM scum before that.
thrawn afaik simply jumped on him after the SK thing, he didn't really call him scum at any point before that.
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I don't think he is scum, just being dumb.
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##vote slOosh
This vote is not moving until you give me your scumreads and reasons.
If I do not believe you, then you will die today.
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auto townread = I almost didn't bother carefully reading their posts.
One thing I kept in my head about slOosh was that he had two pushes, Prom and Xatalos. He dropped Xatalos rather quickly and outside of those two players he has had no comments on anything. His push on Prom was also pretty bad.
There has to be a reason super died. Super was the only person who had a public scumread on slOosh. Outside of that he called Lazer scum and he called Zentor scum.
I think slOosh needs to do something though, because if you haven't noticed, he's been laying a bit lower than what I'd feel if he were town.
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On January 16 2013 10:11 slOosh wrote:
I think he is town.
One is his constant needling of me when I stopped paying attention to him. Scum prefer to lay low and this works directly against it, because it draws my attention. Second is his wbg case. Of all the people to build such a case on, I don't think scum Xatalos would try drawing town WBG's attention to himself like that.
how do you know I'm town?
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nah, this is exactly what I would expect from scum slOosh.
I call you scum, vote you, and say that I will tunnel the fuck out of you unless you give reads. You see it, panic, and take lots of time to post a half-assed read of someone who you haven't mentioned all game, but happens to be one of my scumreads too, perhaps in the hope that you will get me to agree with you, drop you as a target, and lynch the other guy instead.
I think you're both scum, and that post was made as a calculated risk. Too bad your execution was shit. You die today. Hopeless dies tomorrow.
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so, according to slOosh I'm scum, but he hasn't voted me.
Why is it taking slOosh almost an hour to come up with these posts, but when he does, there's nothing in them?
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