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gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 07 2013 21:09 GMT
#57
Wow I kind of wanted to join this lol

Question: Can this setup be broken via a massclaim?

Like...everybody massclaims, then the Shrink tells the Medic (or potential medic cc's) to protect him every night, while they lynch into the cc's for the Yakuza or something like that.
gonzaw
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January 07 2013 21:41 GMT
#59
But there WILL be cc's. The scum won't know which cc is true and which one will be Jester+Lyncher, the Jester won't know which cc is true and which one is Scum+Lyncher, and same with the Lyncher.

Even if all 3 town blues are "confirmed town" (somehow) after the massclaim, the 3 anti-town roles won't know (by the claims alone) who is who. Maybe that can make it so town can lynch scum, or maybe the Lyncher and lynch scum the next day or something?

There may also be a "hidden" strategy, that has to do with directing night actions from the blues in a way so that town can 100% win
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:09 GMT
#375
I'm here guys
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:12 GMT
#380
On January 10 2013 01:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 01:09 gonzaw wrote:
I'm here guys

Why did you have to be late


I just woke up



....ehmm...so yeah I'm going back and reread the OP, this game is not making much sense to me

Also I have a feeling Dieno being AFK kind of makes it seem I'm scum/jester, which is not cool.
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:26 GMT
#391
Okay, let me get this straight:
Toad and Jiexian are anti-town roles right?

I take it iamp is the remaining one then?

Okay that makes the game easier for us I think
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:30 GMT
#393
It'd kind of suck if the Medic protected the Yakuza last night and he converted someone :/
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:31 GMT
#394
On January 10 2013 01:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 01:26 gonzaw wrote:
Okay, let me get this straight:
Toad and Jiexian are anti-town roles right?

I take it iamp is the remaining one then?

Okay that makes the game easier for us I think


Figured it out quick did you not?


It didn't take much effort to be honest, just skim the game.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 09 2013 16:33 GMT
#397
Okay, we know who is anti-town, we know who is town
Now we need to figure out a game-winning plan with that info so town can win

brb
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:53 GMT
#400
I'd hammer but I'm trying to reread the game and see if NLing today is really worth it.
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:55 GMT
#402
I was never really good with PMs, except in Liar game where I was scum and had lots of cool schemes.
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 16:59 GMT
#404
You know, I kind of wonder how the lyncher even wants to win this game if his target isn't the Jester.
Like...we won't lynch any townie this game at all (assuming no townie is acting utterly retarded so far).

Lyncher, you better just surrender and help us find scum. Not only that, if scum/PGO kills your "Annoying townie" you'll be a VT, so why don't you assume that'll happen and help us find scum in the meantime, knowing you'll become townie later?
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:00 GMT
#405
On January 10 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote:
So if you PM me I should assume you're scum?

ok.


Haven't PMed you yet have I?
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:04 GMT
#406
Lyncher, you are helping 2 guys who DON'T WANT TO WIN WITH YOU.
I wouldn't even be surprised if they insta-hammer you if all 3 of us townies vote for you today.
I wouldn't even be surprised if scum shoots you to reduce the playing field.
You won't be converted by the yak since you are playing anti-town now and the yak won't win much doing that (WIFOM perhaps), because he doesn't gain a cool town power or make it so town has one less power.

It's time for your heel face turn, come on I believe in you.
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:29 GMT
#411
Lyncher please PM me, if you want to win you should. You have 0% chance of winning otherwise
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:30 GMT
#412
I can prove you have 0% chance to win, but I'm sure you can figure that out by yourself.
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:36 GMT
#416
On January 10 2013 02:32 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw you're not allowed to post right now... It's hammer time


Oh forgot about that :/
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 09 2013 17:45 GMT
#420
If any townie wants to win this game plz PM me.

If I don't get a PM or active participation from the townie out of Jiexian/Toad/iamp (if, in a remote chance on of them is town), which means one of Clarity/Dandel is scum/jester/lyncher, and we lose the game because of that I'll feel no guilt at all for losing this game and will place the blame entirely on you!

Anyways no pressure
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:49 GMT
#423
lol
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 17:52 GMT
#424
Anyways, here's the deal:

Town can't win this game with night actions alone.
I am town
I think I know how to win this game



So everybody please claim to me so I can win this game for town, or make a trusty 100% town circle and we can all win the game together


...damn, I always wanted to ask for a massclaim to me via PM!
It feels good...now I know why Palmar does it all the time.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 09 2013 18:38 GMT
#426
Okay this game is turning out to be quite a lot of fun lol.

Anyways I need iamp to get in touch with me (*wink*)
Again, refer to the previous disclaimer that if any of the "anti-town guys" is actually town I'm willing to blame a town loss on him.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 09 2013 20:16 GMT
#428
Well iamp, feel free to post every piece of information you have in the thread and fully claim then, that way you do it "in the open".
If you are anti-town then great fake-claim so we can figure you out easier
If you are town I'll hate you for it though, but you being town and doing something stupid like that is unlikely.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 09 2013 20:28 GMT
#429
You know, there should be a way for the host/observers to get all PMs done in a PM game

Some stuff gets "hidden" and an observer or the host, or even the players themselves when the game ends don't really understand much. This happens in other PM games as well, I think it happened in Liar Game

If the Mafia System thing ever makes it big in OMGUS I'll try to make that happen (although that'll take like 2 years lol)
gonzaw
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January 09 2013 23:20 GMT
#433
On January 10 2013 07:46 iamperfection wrote:
guys you shouldnt be telling gonzaw your role he is the yak.

He doesn't care that his win cond might change.


Okay seems I'm the yak then.

Okay everybody, if anybody wants me to convert you to joint-win PM me since I'm the yak now.
Jester PM me immediately and claim to me so I know not to convert/kill you so we can joint win, okay?

Glad we are on the same page. The massclaim is still valid if I'm yak for the reasons above.

Dande you think I'm yak as well so follow the above advice.

PM me your role and I'll let you into my Yakuzzi
gonzaw
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January 10 2013 01:40 GMT
#434
Well this is certainly entertaining now >_>
gonzaw
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January 10 2013 01:41 GMT
#435
Was it my yakuzzi joke?

It was it wasn't it? I killed the game didn't I?
gonzaw
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January 10 2013 18:14 GMT
#456
Wow I missed a complete cycle lol
gonzaw
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January 10 2013 21:37 GMT
#457
I feel pretty bad for the observers reading this game
gonzaw
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January 10 2013 23:25 GMT
#459
On January 08 2013 00:45 ghost_403 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2013 00:43 JieXian wrote:
On January 08 2013 00:24 ghost_403 wrote:
Also, there is a way that everyone in the game can win at the same time. Never gonna happen, but if it does, I'll be damn impressed.


I can picture a situation where only the Jester, Lyncher and Yakuza left in the game, lyncher's target is the Jester and the Jester gets lynched and 3 people win together.

How can both town and mafia win together?


And spoil the fun! I think not.

e: turns out the shrink has to die for this to happen. Sorry, shrink.
ee: and the doc. missed that the first four times. It's stupidly complicated.

gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 11 2013 17:19 GMT
#464
Seems I forgot to send the kill again! oops!
gonzaw
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January 11 2013 17:23 GMT
#469
Okay I believe you

##Vote: gonzaw
gonzaw
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January 11 2013 17:23 GMT
#470
..yeah how about no

##Unvote: gonzaw
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 11 2013 17:25 GMT
#473
You know, I'd really like to make a smurf called "No-Lynch" just to fuck up every game with NL I'm in.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 11 2013 17:29 GMT
#477
On January 12 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote:
I could get behind a toad lynch


Let's do it then

##Vote: Toad

I mean, either lyncher/jester/yak.
If he's jester at least this game will be over, if he's lyncher sorry dude
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 11 2013 17:31 GMT
#478
##Unvote:Toad

You guys are no fun

Someone else hammer, I'd like it if the deadline was a little bit later.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#484
On January 12 2013 02:40 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 02:31 gonzaw wrote:
##Unvote:Toad

You guys are no fun

Someone else hammer, I'd like it if the deadline was a little bit later.

So anti town what is this crap


Yeah, not wanting to hammer the NL quickly; I'm like the scummiest guy in the internet.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 11 2013 17:59 GMT
#485
Oops sorry forgot that was the hammer
gonzaw
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January 12 2013 21:27 GMT
#517
Well this is interesting

so.....how you guys doing?

gonzaw
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January 13 2013 01:06 GMT
#523
Hey iamp what do you want to do?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 01:32 GMT
#525
Lifes good
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 15:22 GMT
#530
On January 14 2013 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am the lyncher, my target was jiexian so I am now town aligned. Town has a majority this cycle. Discuss.


Oh well that answers my question

lynch iamp then?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 13 2013 15:45 GMT
#534
Im on phone if not id post walls of text by noew.

Im pgo yeah.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 16:39 GMT
#587
Im here was having something eat

yeah toad was too straightfirwadr and bullsgiting to be real yak

immediately claikng antitown is bettr for jester in yhs setup i believe. The yak WILL know you are jedter which is huge advantage for both that makes less sense if toad is yak

iol vote iamp, so you guys agree with this? This will ens the game soclaeiy agreexwith ir as wel

sorry fir grannar im posring fast
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 16:42 GMT
#591
Yolo #Vote: iamperfection

makung that vote correvtly was harder than i thiught lol
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:44 GMT
#593
Hey toad if you want me to believe you dont start saying youll convert 2 people thats like so obvious bullshit it hurts
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:46 GMT
#598
Eell clarity you hqve all the time in the world to hammer take your time
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:47 GMT
#599
Toad so jiexian was worling with you?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:49 GMT
#603
Then how.come you+claruty arent hammering thebjester right now?

You converted clarity in the end....and jiexian still helpedbyou after you converted someone.else for some reqson
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 16:51 GMT
#605
Oh yaeh
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:52 GMT
#606
Why would jiexian stull yelp you after failing to convert him?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:52 GMT
#607
Toad you are losing either way, might as well post all pms ith jiexian
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:56 GMT
#615
I can use google translate post them
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 16:57 GMT
#618
Well......damn
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:02 GMT
#637
Well evey body bullshitted me and i suck in this kind of games (read age of empire mafia) so i kind of saw his coming
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:03 GMT
#639
Lol clarity lying lost the game for evetbody
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:04 GMT
#643
Hope you are happy jiexian

I even helped.you with spanish
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:08 GMT
#654
I thought the same as dandel iamp contacted toad soon and toad acted as his proxy, so even everything toad would say would be true sinfe iamp would have told him what he did
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:09 GMT
#657
We had 0% chance of winning then?

Well at least i lost to only 1 guy instead of 3 or something
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:12 GMT
#662
Well the "let the lyncher target die by targeting the pgo" idea couldnt happen since the pgo was your target
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:15 GMT
#665
Well clarity that "conspiracy thwory" i sent you would have tipped you at least wouldnt it?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:17 GMT
#673
wr would have loat anyeay so its not like it mattered didnt it?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:19 GMT
#681
On January 14 2013 02:16 JieXian wrote:
iamp what was your gameplan? Not to pm much? Did you talk a lot of anybody at all? gg

Neither toad nor I realised that yak could only convert once >_>

I'm so mad


Wut i figured it out immediately by reading the op when he pmed me that lol
Gonzaw were you telling the truth when you told me you like that little?



I figured it out immediately as soon as he sent mevthe pm by reading the op lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 17:22 GMT
#687
On January 14 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:17 syllogism wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:15 syllogism wrote:
With instant majority lynch you have to unvote immediately in lylo after receiving new, possibly meaningful information, I don't understand why you would just leave your votes lying around like that. You were both here.

What new information?

Toad claiming mafia and his night actions?

I knew that before.
He PM'd them to me.

As I said, I thought he worked with iamp as the yak, iamp did the actions, toad claimed them.



This

there was also the chance he was bullsgitting as jester
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 17:22 GMT
#688
On January 14 2013 02:20 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:19 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:16 JieXian wrote:
iamp what was your gameplan? Not to pm much? Did you talk a lot of anybody at all? gg

Neither toad nor I realised that yak could only convert once >_>

I'm so mad


Wut i figured it out immediately by reading the op when he pmed me that lol
Gonzaw were you telling the truth when you told me you like that little?



I figured it out immediately as soon as he sent mevthe pm by reading the op lol


? don't get you


The "yak can only convert once" thing
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 17:28 GMT
#697
On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter


Iamp yak toad jester.
As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak
then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy
tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow
also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:31 GMT
#702
On January 14 2013 02:30 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter


Iamp yak toad jester.
As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak
then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy
tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow
also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants


that's A LOT of ifs and it makes no sense. Never occured to you that I knew I already won if everyone plays to their wincon (with full information, which wasn't given, I know) and I just had to make sure everyone gets full knowledge to make everyone realize what's going on?



I have cero information and have no idea what you know or not
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 17:32 GMT
#703
On January 14 2013 02:31 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter


Iamp yak toad jester.
As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak
then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy
tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow
also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants

Why would mafia want to lynch jester? Or does this scenario assume iamp yakked toad the jester?



In lylo jester yak joint win
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 17:34 GMT
#709
Can we all just blame the loss on jiexian?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:38 GMT
#716
On January 14 2013 02:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:32 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:31 syllogism wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:28 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote:
I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter


Iamp yak toad jester.
As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak
then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy
tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow
also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants

Why would mafia want to lynch jester? Or does this scenario assume iamp yakked toad the jester?



In lylo jester yak joint win


lylo was like 2 turns away.

The only way for me to win was
PGO vs Mafia vs Jester

Jester & Lyncher count towards "town" in mafias wincon


convince the medic to protect you and dind the pgo and you win wth that. It dowsnt "not make sense"

convince the medic to "win" with you, kill him, findbthe pgo and you 100% win with that plan i mentionwd





Fucking phone



gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:44 GMT
#726
Toad when you pmed me did you know you could convert once at that point?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:48 GMT
#734
I tried going on with it tohe you to claim who the "medic" was or maybe contradict yourelf and be outted as jester
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:52 GMT
#743
Did you know i was pgo jiexian?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:53 GMT
#747
On January 14 2013 02:52 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
I tried going on with it tohe you to claim who the "medic" was or maybe contradict yourelf and be outted as jester

well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar....


You claimed antitown what did you expect?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:54 GMT
#749
On January 14 2013 02:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 02:52 gonzaw wrote:
Did you know i was pgo jiexian?

I told him d2, so yeah he did



So i wasnt.even playing at the time and evetbody knew my role.
Cool
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:57 GMT
#755
So what are he chances for town to win this game?
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 17:59 GMT
#758
Lol yeah i wanted people to think i was shrink lol
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 18:01 GMT
#762
On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game?

Not bad, I'd think.

yak dies pretty easily.


Even when siding with mesic?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 18:31 GMT
#793
Did the game formally end?

Maybe toad/iamp have a hidden ability where their votes dontbmatter and thw game is still going lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 18:37 GMT
#799
This game was kind of boring to.me.i had no night action and either nobody pmed.me/responded to my pms or they bullshited the hell out of me

i knew jiexian ciuld be fucking wiy me, but he.was the only one pming me so i still told him stuff
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#809
I hought about fakeclaiming medic to toad or something maybe to confuse him but dieno being afk a night thwre was no kp fucked that chance for me
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 19:02 GMT
#814
Im nit playing these games either lol

nobody tells me anything and i always lose lol
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 19:53 GMT
#819
I won singlehandily come on just pist the end game don bother reading the tbread
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 21:37 GMT
#841
I can do nothing other than maybe fakeclaim to confuse yak/medic or try to convince yak I'm not PGO.

....not that entertaining, specially if nobody pays attention to me >_>

Also the only players that 100% bullshitted me were the other 2 townies, figure that out.


PS: I didn't know this was a PM game until I replaced in lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 21:41 GMT
#842
In hindsight I think it would have been better to force Clarity to make the first vote on Toad/iamp "just in case".

If he refused to vote well we know we had no chance to do anything but maybe with the pressure he could give in and cast 1 vote, then me+dandel quickly hammer it (if it was on toad for instance)
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 21:42 GMT
#846
I just wanted to talk with someone ;_;
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 13 2013 21:45 GMT
#849
On January 14 2013 06:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't think I bullshitted you much.

Well, not more than anybody else at least.


Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time)

You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester.

When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something)
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 21:47 GMT
#851
On January 14 2013 06:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 06:42 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 14 2013 06:41 gonzaw wrote:
In hindsight I think it would have been better to force Clarity to make the first vote on Toad/iamp "just in case".

If he refused to vote well we know we had no chance to do anything but maybe with the pressure he could give in and cast 1 vote, then me+dandel quickly hammer it (if it was on toad for instance)


Eh, I would've cast the first vote on iamp if pressured, but not toad. I really did not expect you both to just yolo-vote iamp though.

Don't underestimate the YOLO.

It is strong with this one. (and apparantly with gonzaw too - yolo brofist, bro)


lol

yolo-fist

To be honest I was kind of fed up with the game and wanted it to end. If you just tell me "we can lynch scum today!" I would instantly jump to that if it can end the game and I still have a chance to win it (by lynching yak).

There was a day+night cycle I didn't PM nor posted in the thread at all I think. It was that boring.
gonzaw
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January 13 2013 21:49 GMT
#855
On January 14 2013 06:45 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 06:37 gonzaw wrote:
I can do nothing other than maybe fakeclaim to confuse yak/medic or try to convince yak I'm not PGO.

....not that entertaining, specially if nobody pays attention to me >_>

Also the only players that 100% bullshitted me were the other 2 townies, figure that out.


PS: I didn't know this was a PM game until I replaced in lol


:D you were asking for it actually hahaha at that time I was supposedly teaming up with toad


I was hoping the real lyncher would like think "okay, I can win tomorrow with town, let's team up" and actually PM me or someone else about it.

You were the only one doing so so I was like "yeah this guy is legit, also he's not jester/yak because of his play/other people's play".

I didn't really care though since I knew (even if I thought you were lyncher) that like you were no use to me after you refused to "cooperate"
I just wanted to chat though
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 13 2013 21:53 GMT
#857
On January 14 2013 06:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 06:45 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 06:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
I don't think I bullshitted you much.

Well, not more than anybody else at least.


Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time)

You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester.

When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something)

I just told you i didn't want to be converted :O

You just took it as a jester claim. Didn't feel the need to correct you.


I thought you were "obviously" faking your yak read on me trying to troll me or bullshit me with the alleged "jester claim".
Like, I would not see that post coming from anybody except the jester lol. Yeah, yak converting shrink and dying is "bad" for yak but I thought everybody knew the yak would get the medic to protect him by then (so even if you were "converted" the yak would live because of medic save).

Also the shrink "claim" was too obvious to be true.

At one point I was thinking: "Oh, yeah maybe he's real Shrink, and he's subtly telling me he's shrink and he's trusting me, but wants to hide appearances by being "angry" at me and calling me yak".

But then you kept trolling, and Jiex said you claimed yak to him so that I thought "yeah he was obviously bullshiting me, that was a jester claim".
gonzaw
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Last Edited: 2013-01-13 21:58:12
January 13 2013 21:56 GMT
#858
On January 14 2013 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote:
The lyncher can't win with town unless his target died during the night
edit: Like, if I had helped you guys we would've lynched toad and I would have immediately lost.


I was hoping the lyncher's target was any of the other 2 guys instead of me. 66% chance was pretty good to follow up with that plan.

So me+the other townies would just form a town circle, say "okay, X (your target) visit gonzaw the PGO", after he dies, if yak didn't already kill/convert (which he wouldn't if the medic leaked info into our circle from the yak), it's 3 townies with 5 players, enough to lynch the yak and have the lyncher win with all townies.
That's 4 players winning, which I think is like the maximum amount of players that can win simultaneously.

Meh seemed pretty good in paper to me, and I thought the real lyncher would think so too.

In the worst case I wanted the lyncher to claim and tell me his target at least >_>
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 13 2013 22:24 GMT
#861
On January 14 2013 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not a terrible plan, but yeah since you were my target, no can do.
Your plan also made you quite clearly pgo which was quite a pain for me.


Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO.
gonzaw
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Last Edited: 2013-01-14 00:16:57
January 14 2013 00:14 GMT
#863
On January 14 2013 07:30 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 07:24 gonzaw wrote:
On January 14 2013 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
It's not a terrible plan, but yeah since you were my target, no can do.
Your plan also made you quite clearly pgo which was quite a pain for me.


Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO.

it's actually only a 33% chance and not 66% because even with the lyncher turned into a VT you can't win once 4 player scenario is reached. The only way for you to win as town + lyncher is for mafia to shoot the 1 specific guy n1 (let's just call the night with the first death n1).

So it really was gg unless I shoot the jester (why should I...) and it wasn't possible for town to win. If his target was one of medic / shrink you'd have to lynch me in the 5 player scenario, which is still incredibly hard to do, just look at how many people thought I was mafia endgame...

I mean your plan revolves around the lynchers target suiciding which can't work because it will automatically bring you to 4 player set-up unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky and the mafia accidently targets the same game.


If the lyncher target is shrink, the medic can save your shot or you can shoot the PGO, or you can shoot the shrink
If the medic was his target, then the shrink can save your conversion, or you can shoot the shrink

You sure all of that amounts to 33%?

Let's see. First, let's assume you wouldn't know who is who (i.e you aren't sure who of Clarity/me/Dandel/iamp is jester/lyncher).
Let's imagine X is your chance to shoot someone instead of converting (also let's assume you convert and don't shoot at the same time), Y is your chance to convert, and 1-X-Y your chance to not do anything (hold your shot)
The chance of the lyncher target being medic/shrink is 50% (assuming it's not jester).

If you convert:
So you convert with chance Y, in which case you have 1/4th chance to convert anyone in particular.
If lyncher target is medic: shrink WILL save himself (not the PGO since he dies). You have thus 1/4th chances to convert the PGO, the only role you can convert to try to win in this scenario (can't convert medic because he dies, can't convert jester because why the hell would you? you lose anyways, can't convert shrink because he shrinked himself). This means we have 1/2*3/4 chances of "winning"
If lyncher target is shrink: Shrink will save PGO of course. This means you can ONLY convert the medic (can't convert PGO because he's shrinked, can't convert shrink because he's dying). Again, 1/2*3/4 chances

So the chances for us to win if you convert someone are 3/4

If you shoot:
You have X chance to shoot. Again, let's assume you shoot randomly. You have 1/4th chance to shoot a target in particular.
If lyncher target is medic: Then if you shoot the jester we win, if you shoot the medic nothing happens and we win, if you shoot PGO you die, if you shoot shrink then we "lose". That's 1*1/4+1*1/4+1*1/4+0*1/4=3/4. Therefore it's 1/2*3/4
If lyncher target is shrink: Then if you shoot the jester we win, if you shoot the medic we "lose", if you shoot the shrink nothing happens and we win, if you shoot PGO we win. That's 1*1/4+0*1/4+1*1/4+1*1/4. Exactly the same as before, 1/2*3/4

So the chances we win if you shoot someone are 3/4

If you don't do shit:
You don't do shit, so no matter what happens next day is 3 townies vs you vs jester we win.

Thus the chances we win if you don't do anything is 1

So the chances we win are P(we win)=3/4*(X+Y)+1-X-Y= 1-1/4(X+Y)

If you WILL do something, then X+Y=1, thus P(we win)=1-1/4*1 = 3/4

Since we assumed that the lyncher's target was not me (and assuming it couldn't be the jester for balancing reasons), then P(we win)=2/3*3/4 which is 50%.

Maybe not as high as 66%, but at least higher than 33%.
I guess you could say you would not "shoot randomly". Well, even if we assume you leave the jester out of everything (i.e you won't shoot nor convert the jester if you know who he is), then it's 44%

That honestly feels way more than the chances town had in this game initially.
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 14 2013 04:21 GMT
#865
When I made that plan I didn't know you already knew every single role lol

I thought everybody was as in the black as me lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 14 2013 05:25 GMT
#867
Well, at least I could fuck up you and Toad's game in the end >_> <_<
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 14 2013 07:25 GMT
#870
It's a satire of the TL culture
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 14 2013 19:59 GMT
#874
Hey Palmar, any thoughts/analysis of this game?

Or were you just as lost as I was?
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 14 2013 20:29 GMT
#876
Yeah, PM games have that thing. There should be a way for the host gets a log of all PMs between players of that game
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 14 2013 20:45 GMT
#879
Yeah I have spanish logs with Jiexian as well. There's no way in hell I'll go through the trouble of translating them to post them here lol
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
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January 14 2013 21:01 GMT
#881
Yeah

Tell the TL admin to make it so logs from a PM game are posted automatically once the game ends!
We bring so much traffic here they must listen to us!
gonzaw
Profile Joined December 2011
Uruguay4911 Posts
January 14 2013 21:02 GMT
#882
Holy shit I had the 1st post in the last 3 pages lololol
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