EPTQuestion: Can this setup be broken via a massclaim?
Like...everybody massclaims, then the Shrink tells the Medic (or potential medic cc's) to protect him every night, while they lynch into the cc's for the Yakuza or something like that.
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gonzaw
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Question: Can this setup be broken via a massclaim? Like...everybody massclaims, then the Shrink tells the Medic (or potential medic cc's) to protect him every night, while they lynch into the cc's for the Yakuza or something like that. | ||
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gonzaw
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Even if all 3 town blues are "confirmed town" (somehow) after the massclaim, the 3 anti-town roles won't know (by the claims alone) who is who. Maybe that can make it so town can lynch scum, or maybe the Lyncher and lynch scum the next day or something? There may also be a "hidden" strategy, that has to do with directing night actions from the blues in a way so that town can 100% win | ||
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I just woke up ....ehmm...so yeah I'm going back and reread the OP, this game is not making much sense to me Also I have a feeling Dieno being AFK kind of makes it seem I'm scum/jester, which is not cool. | ||
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Toad and Jiexian are anti-town roles right? I take it iamp is the remaining one then? Okay that makes the game easier for us I think | ||
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It didn't take much effort to be honest, just skim the game. | ||
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Now we need to figure out a game-winning plan with that info so town can win brb | ||
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Like...we won't lynch any townie this game at all (assuming no townie is acting utterly retarded so far). Lyncher, you better just surrender and help us find scum. Not only that, if scum/PGO kills your "Annoying townie" you'll be a VT, so why don't you assume that'll happen and help us find scum in the meantime, knowing you'll become townie later? | ||
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On January 10 2013 01:56 Dandel Ion wrote: So if you PM me I should assume you're scum? ok. Haven't PMed you yet have I?  | ||
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I wouldn't even be surprised if they insta-hammer you if all 3 of us townies vote for you today. I wouldn't even be surprised if scum shoots you to reduce the playing field. You won't be converted by the yak since you are playing anti-town now and the yak won't win much doing that (WIFOM perhaps), because he doesn't gain a cool town power or make it so town has one less power. It's time for your heel face turn, come on I believe in you. | ||
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On January 10 2013 02:32 Toadesstern wrote: gonzaw you're not allowed to post right now... It's hammer time Oh forgot about that :/ | ||
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If I don't get a PM or active participation from the townie out of Jiexian/Toad/iamp (if, in a remote chance on of them is town), which means one of Clarity/Dandel is scum/jester/lyncher, and we lose the game because of that I'll feel no guilt at all for losing this game and will place the blame entirely on you! Anyways no pressure | ||
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Town can't win this game with night actions alone. I am town I think I know how to win this game So everybody please claim to me so I can win this game for town, or make a trusty 100% town circle and we can all win the game together ...damn, I always wanted to ask for a massclaim to me via PM! It feels good...now I know why Palmar does it all the time. | ||
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Anyways I need iamp to get in touch with me (*wink*) Again, refer to the previous disclaimer that if any of the "anti-town guys" is actually town I'm willing to blame a town loss on him. | ||
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If you are anti-town then great fake-claim so we can figure you out easier If you are town I'll hate you for it though, but you being town and doing something stupid like that is unlikely. | ||
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Some stuff gets "hidden" and an observer or the host, or even the players themselves when the game ends don't really understand much. This happens in other PM games as well, I think it happened in Liar Game If the Mafia System thing ever makes it big in OMGUS I'll try to make that happen (although that'll take like 2 years lol) | ||
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On January 10 2013 07:46 iamperfection wrote: guys you shouldnt be telling gonzaw your role he is the yak. He doesn't care that his win cond might change. Okay seems I'm the yak then. Okay everybody, if anybody wants me to convert you to joint-win PM me since I'm the yak now. Jester PM me immediately and claim to me so I know not to convert/kill you so we can joint win, okay? Glad we are on the same page. The massclaim is still valid if I'm yak for the reasons above. Dande you think I'm yak as well so follow the above advice. PM me your role and I'll let you into my Yakuzzi | ||
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It was it wasn't it? I killed the game didn't I? | ||
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On January 08 2013 00:45 ghost_403 wrote: And spoil the fun! I think not. e: turns out the shrink has to die for this to happen. Sorry, shrink. ee: and the doc. missed that the first four times. It's stupidly complicated. | ||
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##Vote: gonzaw | ||
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##Unvote: gonzaw | ||
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On January 12 2013 02:25 iamperfection wrote: I could get behind a toad lynch Let's do it then ##Vote: Toad I mean, either lyncher/jester/yak. If he's jester at least this game will be over, if he's lyncher sorry dude | ||
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You guys are no fun Someone else hammer, I'd like it if the deadline was a little bit later. | ||
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Yeah, not wanting to hammer the NL quickly; I'm like the scummiest guy in the internet. | ||
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so.....how you guys doing? | ||
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On January 14 2013 00:11 Clarity_nl wrote: I am the lyncher, my target was jiexian so I am now town aligned. Town has a majority this cycle. Discuss. Oh well that answers my question lynch iamp then? | ||
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Im pgo yeah. | ||
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yeah toad was too straightfirwadr and bullsgiting to be real yak immediately claikng antitown is bettr for jester in yhs setup i believe. The yak WILL know you are jedter which is huge advantage for both that makes less sense if toad is yak iol vote iamp, so you guys agree with this? This will ens the game soclaeiy agreexwith ir as wel sorry fir grannar im posring fast | ||
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makung that vote correvtly was harder than i thiught lol | ||
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You converted clarity in the end....and jiexian still helpedbyou after you converted someone.else for some reqson | ||
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I even helped.you with spanish | ||
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Well at least i lost to only 1 guy instead of 3 or something | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:16 JieXian wrote: iamp what was your gameplan? Not to pm much? Did you talk a lot of anybody at all? gg Neither toad nor I realised that yak could only convert once >_> I'm so mad Wut i figured it out immediately by reading the op when he pmed me that lol Gonzaw were you telling the truth when you told me you like that little? I figured it out immediately as soon as he sent mevthe pm by reading the op lol | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:18 Dandel Ion wrote: I knew that before. He PM'd them to me. As I said, I thought he worked with iamp as the yak, iamp did the actions, toad claimed them. This there was also the chance he was bullsgitting as jester | ||
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The "yak can only convert once" thing | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:24 syllogism wrote: I don't understand, you thought it was two mafia working together? Or what? Why would the lynch order matter Iamp yak toad jester. As soon as toad claims antitown in thread iamp contacts him and says hes yak then iamp does every action and toad is his proxy tyat way just in case something goes wrong iamp is "safe" somehow also toad could convince ahrink and medic to wastej their abilities on him(jester) while iamp is fre to jill anybody he wants | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:30 Toadesstern wrote: that's A LOT of ifs and it makes no sense. Never occured to you that I knew I already won if everyone plays to their wincon (with full information, which wasn't given, I know) and I just had to make sure everyone gets full knowledge to make everyone realize what's going on? I have cero information and have no idea what you know or not | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:31 syllogism wrote: Why would mafia want to lynch jester? Or does this scenario assume iamp yakked toad the jester? In lylo jester yak joint win | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:34 Toadesstern wrote: lylo was like 2 turns away. The only way for me to win was PGO vs Mafia vs Jester Jester & Lyncher count towards "town" in mafias wincon convince the medic to protect you and dind the pgo and you win wth that. It dowsnt "not make sense" convince the medic to "win" with you, kill him, findbthe pgo and you 100% win with that plan i mentionwd Fucking phone | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:52 Toadesstern wrote: well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar.... You claimed antitown what did you expect? | ||
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So i wasnt.even playing at the time and evetbody knew my role. Cool | ||
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On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote: Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. Even when siding with mesic? | ||
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Maybe toad/iamp have a hidden ability where their votes dontbmatter and thw game is still going lol | ||
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i knew jiexian ciuld be fucking wiy me, but he.was the only one pming me so i still told him stuff | ||
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nobody tells me anything and i always lose lol | ||
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....not that entertaining, specially if nobody pays attention to me >_> Also the only players that 100% bullshitted me were the other 2 townies, figure that out. PS: I didn't know this was a PM game until I replaced in lol | ||
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If he refused to vote well we know we had no chance to do anything but maybe with the pressure he could give in and cast 1 vote, then me+dandel quickly hammer it (if it was on toad for instance) | ||
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On January 14 2013 06:42 Dandel Ion wrote: I don't think I bullshitted you much. Well, not more than anybody else at least. Well, iamp and clarity just didn't even communicate with me and Toad told the whole truth apparently (even if I didn't know it at the time) You seemed to intentionally call me the yak (knowing I wasn't) and you half-claimed jester. When you said "Contact the Medic and PGO to see if they care" I was like "lol why is this guy claiming Shrink to me?" which was too obvious since like you accused me of being yak so why would you claim Shrink to me which made me think you made a subtle jester claim to me (and thought I was real yak or something) | ||
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On January 14 2013 06:44 Dandel Ion wrote: Don't underestimate the YOLO. It is strong with this one. (and apparantly with gonzaw too - yolo brofist, bro) lol yolo-fist To be honest I was kind of fed up with the game and wanted it to end. If you just tell me "we can lynch scum today!" I would instantly jump to that if it can end the game and I still have a chance to win it (by lynching yak). There was a day+night cycle I didn't PM nor posted in the thread at all I think. It was that boring. | ||
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On January 14 2013 06:45 JieXian wrote: :D you were asking for it actually hahaha at that time I was supposedly teaming up with toad I was hoping the real lyncher would like think "okay, I can win tomorrow with town, let's team up" and actually PM me or someone else about it. You were the only one doing so so I was like "yeah this guy is legit, also he's not jester/yak because of his play/other people's play". I didn't really care though since I knew (even if I thought you were lyncher) that like you were no use to me after you refused to "cooperate" I just wanted to chat though | ||
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On January 14 2013 06:47 Dandel Ion wrote: I just told you i didn't want to be converted :O You just took it as a jester claim. Didn't feel the need to correct you. I thought you were "obviously" faking your yak read on me trying to troll me or bullshit me with the alleged "jester claim". Like, I would not see that post coming from anybody except the jester lol. Yeah, yak converting shrink and dying is "bad" for yak but I thought everybody knew the yak would get the medic to protect him by then (so even if you were "converted" the yak would live because of medic save). Also the shrink "claim" was too obvious to be true. At one point I was thinking: "Oh, yeah maybe he's real Shrink, and he's subtly telling me he's shrink and he's trusting me, but wants to hide appearances by being "angry" at me and calling me yak". But then you kept trolling, and Jiex said you claimed yak to him so that I thought "yeah he was obviously bullshiting me, that was a jester claim". | ||
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On January 14 2013 06:51 Clarity_nl wrote: The lyncher can't win with town unless his target died during the night edit: Like, if I had helped you guys we would've lynched toad and I would have immediately lost. I was hoping the lyncher's target was any of the other 2 guys instead of me. 66% chance was pretty good to follow up with that plan. So me+the other townies would just form a town circle, say "okay, X (your target) visit gonzaw the PGO", after he dies, if yak didn't already kill/convert (which he wouldn't if the medic leaked info into our circle from the yak), it's 3 townies with 5 players, enough to lynch the yak and have the lyncher win with all townies. That's 4 players winning, which I think is like the maximum amount of players that can win simultaneously. Meh seemed pretty good in paper to me, and I thought the real lyncher would think so too. In the worst case I wanted the lyncher to claim and tell me his target at least >_> | ||
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On January 14 2013 07:06 Clarity_nl wrote: It's not a terrible plan, but yeah since you were my target, no can do. Your plan also made you quite clearly pgo which was quite a pain for me. Well yeah, that meant that no matter who of the other 2 townies your target was, I just tell them "visit me", instead of trying to find out who's the real PGO. | ||
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On January 14 2013 07:30 Toadesstern wrote: it's actually only a 33% chance and not 66% because even with the lyncher turned into a VT you can't win once 4 player scenario is reached. The only way for you to win as town + lyncher is for mafia to shoot the 1 specific guy n1 (let's just call the night with the first death n1). So it really was gg unless I shoot the jester (why should I...) and it wasn't possible for town to win. If his target was one of medic / shrink you'd have to lynch me in the 5 player scenario, which is still incredibly hard to do, just look at how many people thought I was mafia endgame... I mean your plan revolves around the lynchers target suiciding which can't work because it will automatically bring you to 4 player set-up unless you get INCREDIBLY lucky and the mafia accidently targets the same game. If the lyncher target is shrink, the medic can save your shot or you can shoot the PGO, or you can shoot the shrink If the medic was his target, then the shrink can save your conversion, or you can shoot the shrink You sure all of that amounts to 33%? Let's see. First, let's assume you wouldn't know who is who (i.e you aren't sure who of Clarity/me/Dandel/iamp is jester/lyncher). Let's imagine X is your chance to shoot someone instead of converting (also let's assume you convert and don't shoot at the same time), Y is your chance to convert, and 1-X-Y your chance to not do anything (hold your shot) The chance of the lyncher target being medic/shrink is 50% (assuming it's not jester). If you convert: So you convert with chance Y, in which case you have 1/4th chance to convert anyone in particular. If lyncher target is medic: shrink WILL save himself (not the PGO since he dies). You have thus 1/4th chances to convert the PGO, the only role you can convert to try to win in this scenario (can't convert medic because he dies, can't convert jester because why the hell would you? you lose anyways, can't convert shrink because he shrinked himself). This means we have 1/2*3/4 chances of "winning" If lyncher target is shrink: Shrink will save PGO of course. This means you can ONLY convert the medic (can't convert PGO because he's shrinked, can't convert shrink because he's dying). Again, 1/2*3/4 chances So the chances for us to win if you convert someone are 3/4 If you shoot: You have X chance to shoot. Again, let's assume you shoot randomly. You have 1/4th chance to shoot a target in particular. If lyncher target is medic: Then if you shoot the jester we win, if you shoot the medic nothing happens and we win, if you shoot PGO you die, if you shoot shrink then we "lose". That's 1*1/4+1*1/4+1*1/4+0*1/4=3/4. Therefore it's 1/2*3/4 If lyncher target is shrink: Then if you shoot the jester we win, if you shoot the medic we "lose", if you shoot the shrink nothing happens and we win, if you shoot PGO we win. That's 1*1/4+0*1/4+1*1/4+1*1/4. Exactly the same as before, 1/2*3/4 So the chances we win if you shoot someone are 3/4 If you don't do shit: You don't do shit, so no matter what happens next day is 3 townies vs you vs jester we win. Thus the chances we win if you don't do anything is 1 So the chances we win are P(we win)=3/4*(X+Y)+1-X-Y= 1-1/4(X+Y) If you WILL do something, then X+Y=1, thus P(we win)=1-1/4*1 = 3/4 Since we assumed that the lyncher's target was not me (and assuming it couldn't be the jester for balancing reasons), then P(we win)=2/3*3/4 which is 50%. Maybe not as high as 66%, but at least higher than 33%. I guess you could say you would not "shoot randomly". Well, even if we assume you leave the jester out of everything (i.e you won't shoot nor convert the jester if you know who he is), then it's 44% That honestly feels way more than the chances town had in this game initially. | ||
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I thought everybody was as in the black as me lol | ||
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Or were you just as lost as I was? | ||
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Tell the TL admin to make it so logs from a PM game are posted automatically once the game ends! We bring so much traffic here they must listen to us! | ||
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