I mean, I don't know if that's all too relevant really. Like I do that stuff all the time as town (change the focal point of my argument).

I still think he's scum though. His attitude in recent hours has been something like "I don't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't me." I've been rather patient with him to produce some more concrete reads, but he keeps talking in generalities as opposed to making any concrete analysis.

I want to make sure we get the thoughts of Shaio and DP before I commit to the lynch though.

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 22:35 GMT

#608

Speaking of DP...he hasn't done much as of late =/

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 22:39 GMT

#611

On January 07 2013 07:37 Z-BosoN wrote:
How is it not too relevant? It's proof that his reasoning for backing off of ShiaoPi is weak. He didn't address said point of the case because there was nothing to actually refute it. I disagree with you here, I think this is a very important aspect of him being scum. Because he did the same thing with DarthPunk, had a read which got changed with fairly flimsy reasoning.
Well, we can debate this in the post game, but if we agree that he is scum, what the hell right

Pretty much =P

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 22:45 GMT

#613

CC seems slightly town. He seems to be not concerned with any suspicion on him. I didn't like the "stream of consciousness" post, but he is active and engaged in the thread.

Again though, I'm in the process of re-evaluating all my town-reads. I basically have reasons to think everyone here is town for one reason or another except for Xatalos.

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 22:56 GMT

#616

On January 07 2013 07:50 Z-BosoN wrote:

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Thought you were null on ShiaoPi?

Kind of. I've been reluctant to lynch him today because I thought he handled the DP/Hapa situation fairly townie at the beginning of the game. He's probably the weakest read of 'em all though.

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 23:20 GMT

#624

Derp.

This is why we can't move quickly on these things >>

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 23:24 GMT

#628

Well I'm going to take some time off tonight. I'm interested in seeing people scumhunt. There's been quite a shortage of that this game despite bursts of activity by players as a whole.

Expect my scumreads tonight or tomorrow morning.

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 23:26 GMT

#631

I will say that Yamato and MrZ played this absolutely awfully. I've been calling for patience over and over again, and two people decided to make a rash and emotional hammer vote.

I'm expecting MrZ to start playing now, and Yamato needs to explain why he kept referencing my arguments for patience earlier, and yet decided to pull this stunt.

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 23:26 GMT

#632

I'll also say that Shaio's OMGUS looks absolutely terrible right now.

I have a lot of reading to do. Weeeee.

Hapahauli

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January 06 2013 23:27 GMT

#633

And Jay, why are you demanding answers from the most obv-town player in the thread? It's kinda pointless. You should be fishing reactions from players whom you find suspicious.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 16:55 GMT

#654

@ DP

Where were you most of yesterday? I understand you live on the other side of the world, but your contributions to the thread after I called you town have been really lacking. Before the CC case, you basically were seemingly helpless and calling a bunch of people null.

Not only that, but you were absent right until the flip, at which point you start saying that Xatalos was "obv-town", yet did absolutely nothing to stop his lynch.

As for your CC case, I'll make my final thoughts on players before the deadline tonight.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 17:07 GMT

#655

@ Jay

You don't mention Xatalos much at all in your filter. Though before the lynch, you make two notable comments on Xatalos:

On January 06 2013 20:01 jaybrundage wrote:
Good to see you make a case Xatltos. Ill reread ShaioPi's filter when i get a chance.

Also Yamato i also think Zentor could be scummy. Alot of people have a town read on him it could jsut be his meta but hes done some pretty scummy things

On January 07 2013 05:49 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok Time to Consolidate our votes guys. I for one would still be happy killing CC. Glad Hapa's opinion is changing TBH it seems like we have alot of people sheeping you hapa whether you like it or not. So use your sheep for good.

I for one would not be interested in lynching yamato he seems like a lynch bait i am after all an expert on these matters.

Zentor has given me second thoughts by posting a post that wasnt completely shitty :D Good job Zentor.

Both of them are easy lynch candidates for mafia as they do scummy things by them selves and you don't have to actually put your self in a comprising situation.

ATM I am unsure of Xatalos I'll have to give his Filter another gander.

@ZBoson I have written two cases on CC so far The main points are lack of cases but also lack of conviction and his ability to not really have a stance on anyone. Hes called me scummy like 3 times but as of yet he hasn't given me a reason of why i am or am not scummy. Its obvious in his reads that atm he has no plans to lynch me why cause then he would have to put something on the line. Which as scum he is hesitant to do.

In the first comment, you acknowledge ShaioPi's suspicion on Xatalos. In the second comment (two hours before the lynch), you promise to look into him. However, two hours of suspicion against Xatalos pass (including cases dropped by both CC and Z-Boson). You don't post in favor of Xatalos until post-lynch:

On January 07 2013 08:23 jaybrundage wrote:
That was so badddddddddddddddddd. I was gonna go reread Xaltos posting cause the more i looked at him the more i could see townie. Like we lynched him when he wasnt even here. I only see a scum driven wagon when I look at the votes.

Hapa questions do you think that both of the scum could of been on that wagon.

Do you think it was scummy as fuck for what Zentor and Yamato did. Hammaring with out talking to the town first is terrible we should all b agreeing on shit. Not do rash dumb actons

You have many harsh words to say about the lynch (and apparently you were seeing townie things in his filter), and not once did you even attempt to step in and stop things.

Not only this, but I can't make coherent sense of your suspicions. You were expressing a lot of desire to lynch Mr.CC post-flip, and in this post, you think MrZ and Yamato are the ones that are "scummy as fuck."

Why did you not step in to stop the Xatalos lynch? Apparently you were reading his filter at the time suspicion against him was taking off, were seeing townie things in said filter, and simply did not post about it.

Explain your suspicions right now. They aren't coherent.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 19:02 GMT

#656

Yaaaaaaay no one is active in the thread. Fun Fun Fun Fun.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 19:31 GMT

#658

In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 19:52 GMT

#659

@ Yamato

1) It's post-weekend and you've still been very useless. Is work still a problem?

2) You've been emphasizing my ideas of patience all game. Hell you've been attacking MrZentor repeatedly for wanting someone dead:

On January 06 2013 17:58 yamato77 wrote:
Mr Zentor

He's only given a lot of town reads and acted impatient about lynching people. His filter is full of one liners that provide little reasoning for what he wants to do this game aside from Lynch people. He seems more preoccupied with there being a lynch than who is going to be lynched. He hasn't helped town find who they should lynch, either. Hapa says he's a bored townie but he looks like a scum just waiting for an excuse to hammer a townie lynch.

Yet for some reason, you follow MrZ off a cliff to lynch Xatalos in the most impatient manner possible. Why were you so willing to follow the vote of one of your top scumreads this game? Also, what happened to all that talk about being patient and whatnot? You left the thread for an hour or so, then when you returned, you immediately hammered without any discussion.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 20:04 GMT

#662

On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:

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In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me.

I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 20:23 GMT

#664

Making yourself look scummy to elicit a response is not good town play. Are you suggesting you've been posting with this hidden intention?

Also, you can generate discussion without looking bad.

Hapahauli

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January 07 2013 21:22 GMT

#669

@ Yamato:

You trusted MrZ because he didn't hammer vote... The fuck?

@ DP

How about the day before - you really haven't been all that active of late