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On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post
I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play.
Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang.
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On January 08 2013 16:06 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang. And what about mr.Z? He was your top scum read at one point in this game. Do you still consider him a scum read?
Yep. I called him out for two of the posts you did a while ago and he never responded.
I would lynch him
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On January 08 2013 16:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang. Just because you say the whole "tunnel me" thing is scummy doesn't mean it actually is. Once again, show me a scum-game of any player where he or she takes that attitude as scum. Any player. I'm serious.
Give me a player who did that as town. I bet that doesn't exist either.
Yet you think it's a town tell to be a troll and tell people to tunnel you. Okay.
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You know what? This discussion about CC's play this game is revolving around his own explanation for it, which has been inconsisten. First he says he was doing it intentionally to generate discussion, but later on his story changed.
On January 08 2013 12:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'll be straight up here.
I was never trying to come off scummy at all. I was trying to get answers from people by asking questions / expressing honest thoughts. Somewhere along the line, I got dubbed as scummy "omg not contributing wtf no content just posting for posting". I think to myself, really? Okay. I can't really refute that -- it would just end up in a he said she said situation. By fighting it, I'm getting in the way of finding actual scum. People would still be all over me for crap reasons if I were defending.
So I embrace it. Why fight the general flow of the thread? I'm here to read people and to find scum. What a better way than to talk to people and see if they are genuine in attacking me? It's not the best plan. Nor is it even a decent plan. But it's what I've got to roll with.
@Yamato
My shenanigans were only limited to quote "flinging shit" on some players. That was literally it, in one post I called some people out for BS. Somehow the entire thing has been bloated up into this mess where that one post makes me scum and it apparently is the only think I've done all game. But again, I have to roll with the punches.
Here he gives a different story. Apparently now be didn't expect to be the focus of attention, he made scummy posts all on his own. This is in opposition to his earlier rationalization that he acted scummy intentionally.
Classic example of post-hoc rationale. He's making shit up as he goes. If this isn't indicative of scum behavior I don't know what is.
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On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
Also is has a few of these types of posts in his filter. Instead of coming up with meaningful analysis of the information he is supposedly playing to extract from players, he defers to other people to make his reads for him, mainly Hapa. And what better way to attempt to look townie than sheep Hapa, right?
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When I get home from work in five or so hours I have more about CC's defense of himself and evidence that he really hasn't contributed meaningfully. I would post it now but I'm on my phone and it's difficult with multiple quotes.
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My objective here is to substantiate two points in the overall case against CC that I think have been ignored or shrugged off. First we have the meta read, which can be summarized as the indication that his play this game is not similar to his play in his town games, it lacks something, perhaps intangible, that his town games contain. I will attempt my best to put it to words.
This is his filter from NMM XXXII. In this game he was doc who got NK'd night one because he led the lynch on Oatsmaster, a mafia player. Throughout his filter he contains many posts where he does meaningful analysis, is engaged in and responds actively to the thread, and is overall playing with the objective of figuring the game out.
His filter this game contains only a fraction of the usefulness of his filter in that game, and he died N1 in it. This game he's been alive longer, but accrued the same amount of posts. However, not even that is the reality of his contribution because a great many of his posts are useless, trollish, or just open ended questions that seem like he's contributing.
And when I say questions, I mean a lot of them. I referenced it earlier but in the stead of doing anything meaningful with the information right in front of his face, he pawns it off on another player to make sense of.
On January 05 2013 12:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Oh hey Hapa whats up. I need someone to talk to. Wanna cuddle? What you think of Yamato going full retard right now?
On January 05 2013 14:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Anyone read Mr.Z's comment about "I'm easy to read because I do stuff scum never would do!" To be scummy as fk?
On January 06 2013 09:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so. Does it sound legit? Trying to become a different / better / more sophisticated monocle-wearing player? Why am I trying to defend Yamato? Lolololol
On January 06 2013 10:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 10:27 jaybrundage wrote:On January 06 2013 10:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay tunneling me, haha. Hey look a post with out substance lollll How about you write a case on someone you wanna lynch plz I find it ironic that you think im tunneling you, as I have called DP scummy and said I would vote him at the time. And I have made a case on ShaioPi. You really don't know the meaning of ironic, do you? And no, you've pretty much had it out for me since the start of the game. Just think you need to calm yourself. @HapaWhat do you make of Yamatos vote on ya?
On January 08 2013 10:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
I know I'm in the middle of rolling my face over Yamato, but what do you think about Shaio always defending himself? I made a post about it during the night. Nobody has responded to it in the slightest. Is it a paranoid scumtell?
On January 08 2013 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Hapa
There I got Yamato to post some more. What are your thoughts on him? Is he genuine with his reasoning? I'm having a difficult time considering I know him fairly well. Can you provide some insight? I know you were lurking you devil.
On January 08 2013 14:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also Jay: What do you make of Yamato and his interaction with me / Hapa?
That's an astounding amount of reassurance he needs. He seems afraid to call people scummy, aside from his very early case on Xatalos. He wants other people to do the analysis for him. He's literally been useless in that regard.
The second thing I wanted to touch upon were his defenses of himself.
On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me.
On January 08 2013 05:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:04 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 04:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:
In school right now - interested to hear a reply to dp's case, as well as scumreads In terms of DP's case.. It's alright. He's wrong, but I'm pretty scummy and much of the argument does hold water. However, I'm fairly disinterested with the pressure on me right now. I don't think I'll be lynched tomorrow, and I won't sit here and waste time deflecting every point brought against me. We can all settle on the fact that I'm super scummy right now, and that's fine with me. I would like you to be concerned, because I'm interested in hearing you defend what looks like a reasonable case against you. His main point is that I just "heap shit on weak players". I don't know how you'd like me to defend that, because it's true. Some people need shit heaped on them to start doing stuff. Most of it is based on my shitty stream post, which, as all indicates, heaps shit on players. I heap some shit here and there, it's all fine. I want answers. And if you have to dig your way out that's perfectly fine with me. The thread has been pathetically inactive for how long the game has been going. If I have to make myself seem scummy to generate some sort of response, well here we have it. Problem is, I haven't heard from players that are really concerning like SP or Yamato.
In these two posts he establishes the idea that somehow he intended to look scummy to generate discussion. This is not only counter-intuitive because it is a TOWNIE thing to generate discussion, but also obviously an example of what I have realized is post-hoc rationalization. His intentions when he made the posts DP called him out for were almost certainly not to look scummy. Nobody in the game ever has any interest in looking scummy. Not town, not scum, anyone. However, scum do have an interest in making their former scummy actions seem better in hindsight with the types of justifications he gives here.
But then, his story changes, as I outlined clearly in my former post.
Which begs the question, what is CC trying to do today? He has admittedly spent a lot of his time defending himself from my attacks, which is logical, given that I've pressured him quite hard. But what else? Has he even tried to push a scum read today? What has he done with all of the discussion that town has had today? Almost nothing. From his filter, I glean a scum read on Shaio (convenient since he's AFK), and a scummish read on Jay (classic OMGUS fashion, too). Has he tried to substantiate his read on Jay further? Or any read, for that matter, on a player who is actually active? No.
He's been useless. The same as the entire game. The same as he's going to be. So lynch him, with me.
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On January 09 2013 04:23 Hapahauli wrote:
So my questions to Yamato would be:
1) You specifically mentioned that you were trying to make a stylistic change in the way you played, and it played a huge role in how you played the early game. Why did you not follow through, especially since you were making such a huge effort to do so?
2) How did you forget about your "Huge town tell" on CC during all of this? It's hard to believe that you forgot about something so specifically rationalized. You claim that his play seemingly got worse after Day 1 (at which point you started calling him scum), BUT this was very conveniently lined up with sentiments in the thread shifting against CC.
If you think I've tunneled CC unfairly, I guess we have differing opinions. I am legitimately considering what I feel to be scummy tendencies. Obviously none of that means anything now, with his doctor claim and all, but before this point I was fairly convinced he was scum.
My read shifted. He has one or two posts in the game that give town tells, and many others that seem utterly useless and full of bullshit. It took DP's case on him for me to realize that we had indeed seen a particularly unproductive CC this game and to start looking at his play a little harder.
It's pathetic that he felt he needed to claim doctor to get out of being lynched. His play this game has been abysmal and I will not apologize for saying so. I have to find someone else to lynch, however.
##Unvote
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On January 09 2013 07:21 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Well on behavior, the most obv scum player here is Shaio. I'd ideally like to NOT RUSH THINGS again though and wait till he comes back and/or 48 hours expires. Fine. I already know who the scum are, so I'll probably not post again until you guys are ready to lynch. Also, do something about Z-Boson; he's Eywa all over again.
Speak of the devil, just the man I wanted to see.
How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check.
Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check.
Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check.
Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check.
How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you.
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On January 09 2013 07:35 Hapahauli wrote:You didn't answer this Yams: Show nested quote +1) You specifically mentioned that you were trying to make a stylistic change in the way you played, and it played a huge role in how you played the early game. Why did you not follow through, especially since you were making such a huge effort to do so? It's your early stance on "not tunneling people to hell" this game that I want to hear you explain.
Like I said, I don't feel like I was "tunneling him to hell". I gave him fair treatment for his play this game.
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On January 09 2013 07:40 Hapahauli wrote:There are many ways I could describe your tunnel of CC. "Fair treatment" isn't one of them: Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:
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You're so scummy it's ridiculous.
Yeah, did you bother to look at the bullshit he was spewing at the same time? One minute I'm scum, the next minute I'm not, etc. He was full if it. As I said, I refuse to apologize for it.
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On January 09 2013 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:51 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 07:40 Hapahauli wrote:There are many ways I could describe your tunnel of CC. "Fair treatment" isn't one of them: On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:
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You're full of shit. Die scum. On January 08 2013 11:54 yamato77 wrote:
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Man you're full of shit. On January 08 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote:
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Stop claiming scum. On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:
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You're so scummy it's ridiculous. Yeah, did you bother to look at the bullshit he was spewing at the same time? One minute I'm scum, the next minute I'm not, etc. He was full if it. As I said, I refuse to apologize for it. We have a clear disagreement for how "bullshit" his comments were.
As if that wasn't clear already.
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Zentor has done shit but call you and himself town this whole game and I'm the one you feel has a lack of contribution.
The extent of your confirmation bias against me this game is astounding Hapa.
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On January 09 2013 07:45 MrZentor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:21 MrZentor wrote:On January 09 2013 07:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Well on behavior, the most obv scum player here is Shaio. I'd ideally like to NOT RUSH THINGS again though and wait till he comes back and/or 48 hours expires. Fine. I already know who the scum are, so I'll probably not post again until you guys are ready to lynch. Also, do something about Z-Boson; he's Eywa all over again. Speak of the devil, just the man I wanted to see. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Finding the two scum by process of elimination isn't exactly nothing. + Show Spoiler +Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. I agree that you're an easy lynch, but that's only because you're bad as scum. Also, I have plenty of justification. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. I feel like I could answer most of these by quoting the post in which I show why Yamato and ShiaoPi are scum. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. Na, I'm confirmed to intelligent townies, but it's difficult to see why I'm obviously town when you're scum. That's an intended side effect of my play. It's makes it easier to catch scum. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. Is it bad that I laughed at this question? XD Please excuse my dear friend Yamato77. He's just angry because I know he's scum. And he couldn't find a decent target to attack to make it look as if he's a productive townie. Which is why he chose me. Bad choice.
He's even managed to make attacking him a scum tell, for God's sake. As if he's done ANYTHING to prove he's town this game.
Seriously?
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On January 09 2013 08:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 08:06 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 07:45 MrZentor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:21 MrZentor wrote:On January 09 2013 07:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Well on behavior, the most obv scum player here is Shaio. I'd ideally like to NOT RUSH THINGS again though and wait till he comes back and/or 48 hours expires. Fine. I already know who the scum are, so I'll probably not post again until you guys are ready to lynch. Also, do something about Z-Boson; he's Eywa all over again. Speak of the devil, just the man I wanted to see. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Finding the two scum by process of elimination isn't exactly nothing. + Show Spoiler +Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. I agree that you're an easy lynch, but that's only because you're bad as scum. Also, I have plenty of justification. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. I feel like I could answer most of these by quoting the post in which I show why Yamato and ShiaoPi are scum. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. Na, I'm confirmed to intelligent townies, but it's difficult to see why I'm obviously town when you're scum. That's an intended side effect of my play. It's makes it easier to catch scum. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. Is it bad that I laughed at this question? XD Please excuse my dear friend Yamato77. He's just angry because I know he's scum. And he couldn't find a decent target to attack to make it look as if he's a productive townie. Which is why he chose me. Bad choice. He's even managed to make attacking him a scum tell, for God's sake. As if he's done ANYTHING to prove he's town this game. Seriously? Attacking MrZ when he's town actually is a scumtell. It's funny but true. What have you done to prove that you're town?
Well I don't have some fancy claim in my back pocket to be confirmed town but I've hunted the scum I felt was here. You seem to think otherwise which is dumb but whatever, it's not like it matters that much to me.
My job is to find scum this game, and you've gotten in the way if that every time I've tried, Hapa. What makes MrZ town? I have no fucking idea.
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On January 09 2013 08:14 MrZentor wrote:Yamato, there are two scum. Sure, I'm one in your eyes, whatever; who else do you suspect? Who do you think is the other scum? + Show Spoiler +This is going to be good.
Nah, I'm done giving my suspicions out to the thread just for you to sit there and criticize me for it.
##Vote Mr Zentor
Do something. Prove I'm scum if you think so because you sitting on your ass this whole game and acting like you're confirmed town is fucking pathetic. If you're confirmed town that's the BEST time to be super active and pushy with your reads. You haven't done shit and I'm not taking any off you until you do.
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On January 09 2013 08:20 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +Nah, I'm done giving my suspicions out to the thread just for you to sit there and criticize me for it. If you're town, I suggest you do.
I'd have to give some filters a look but I'll wait for him to do something first because I've put plenty of effort into this game so far while he's done nothing.
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On January 09 2013 08:23 MrZentor wrote:
Pathetic excuse is pathetic.
I think this is him claiming scum.
Well I had two scum reads until I woke up today and one claimed doctor.
I have to re-evaluate people I've been ignoring.
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On January 09 2013 10:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 22:41 yamato77 wrote:
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In these two posts he establishes the idea that somehow he intended to look scummy to generate discussion. This is not only counter-intuitive because it is a TOWNIE thing to generate discussion, but also obviously an example of what I have realized is post-hoc rationalization. His intentions when he made the posts DP called him out for were almost certainly not to look scummy. Nobody in the game ever has any interest in looking scummy. Not town, not scum, anyone. However, scum do have an interest in making their former scummy actions seem better in hindsight with the types of justifications he gives here.
Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 05:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Making yourself look scummy to elicit a response is not good town play. Are you suggesting you've been posting with this hidden intention?
Also, you can generate discussion without looking bad. Lol it's not a hidden intention. But apparently it's a side effect that was somehow generated one way or the other. Apparently Yamato missed that post right beneath in my filter. More lies.
Lol did you read the posts you conveniently cut out? You said exactly what you bolded in my post you jackass.
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On January 09 2013 10:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 10:40 yamato77 wrote:On January 09 2013 10:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 22:41 yamato77 wrote:
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In these two posts he establishes the idea that somehow he intended to look scummy to generate discussion. This is not only counter-intuitive because it is a TOWNIE thing to generate discussion, but also obviously an example of what I have realized is post-hoc rationalization. His intentions when he made the posts DP called him out for were almost certainly not to look scummy. Nobody in the game ever has any interest in looking scummy. Not town, not scum, anyone. However, scum do have an interest in making their former scummy actions seem better in hindsight with the types of justifications he gives here.
On January 08 2013 05:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On January 08 2013 05:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Making yourself look scummy to elicit a response is not good town play. Are you suggesting you've been posting with this hidden intention?
Also, you can generate discussion without looking bad. Lol it's not a hidden intention. But apparently it's a side effect that was somehow generated one way or the other. Apparently Yamato missed that post right beneath in my filter. More lies. Lol did you read the posts you conveniently cut out? You said exactly what you bolded in my post you jackass. No, I did not. It seems thats what I said. Apparently you didn't read carefully to realize I clarified. Stop being mad @ me bro.
By "clarified" you mean changed your whole fucking story.
I am mad because you've made me waste a shitload of time looking at your scummy ass this game when you're a blue. Now people want me to have another scum read on a moment's notice.
I would have lynched Shaio, too, but there's no development in me saying that because he wasn't posting. What am I supposed to do, fake a read on Hapa or some shit so you guys can call me confirmed scum?
Stop being stupid with your bias against me.
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