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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 03:22 GMT
#1457
On January 10 2013 12:21 MrZentor wrote:
Can you do everything you once could?


Did you magically forget how to read filters since christmas?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 04:25 GMT
#1462
On January 10 2013 13:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
No need Yamato we've got the scumteam wrapped up in fine linen for us.


We don't really need to be discouraging discussion right now.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 07:20 GMT
#1465
@ Yamato

You summarizing the analysis of a townie that decided to mega-derp doesn't go much in the way of helping things.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 22:03 GMT
#1474
Could you give me an explanation for this MrZ?
On January 10 2013 11:22 MrZentor wrote:
I hope that's a joke.

Because you don't misread me. If you say I'm scum and I'm not, I know you're scum.

And obviously everybody will lynch me over you, and scum will win. <3 Ya Hapa

On January 10 2013 11:56 MrZentor wrote:
...
And, if I were scum, that's exactly what I would do. I would pretend to scumhunt. But I'm going to do something much, much more difficult. I'm going to not post, at all. I'm going to resist that temptation. Because a scum would, before getting lynched, spam the thread with their "scumhunting" in a desperate attempt at not getting lynched.

I'm going to prove I'm town by trusting your choice of a lynch, something a scum would never be able to do.

I think you (deep down) know I'm town, so I would suggest you lynch Yamato.

I hope you make the right decision, Hapa.


The second I call you scum, you OMGUS me. Then within a span of an hour, you back down and are willing to trust me 100% again.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 22:41 GMT
#1476
Well you never really explained the turnover. It seems alot like you just forgot that you called me scum.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 22:53 GMT
#1478
Well, I wish I could say I'm 100% convinced who the scum are. Unfortunately, I really can't. This game's been too lurky, and I've had to force too much discussion to really be sure about things. I would have really liked one more day alive to figure things out.

Oh well. Here are my thoughts on where things stand right now:



MrZ is NOT an automatic lynch tomorrow! As "scummy" as his actions are, lynching him is more of a coin-flip than many of us would like to admit. You can't lynch a fundamentally illogical player for doing illogical things. I also think the MrZ wagon is coming together far too easily. Tomorrow is a day where y'all need to sit back and objectively consider things. Patience. The words of syllogism ring in my mind:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&currentpage=60#1195
On July 30 2012 08:16 syllogism wrote:
For future reference if someone is getting lynched in a lylo with no resistance at all, you probably aren't on the right track




Yamato is the closest thing I have to a town read amongst the unconfirmed players:

Yamato has been making too many plays that I would deem too suicidal to be scum in my opinion. He OMGUS voted me very early in the game when I was pressuring him, and him being angry at CC seems very genuine - moreso than anything else in this game.



I'm quite concerned about Z-Bo:

Z-Bo entered this game posting frequently and a lot, but when I look at his filter, it occurred to me that he really hasn't pushed his reads in any meaningful ways.

Z-Bo has been latched onto MrZ for most of the game and MrZ has seemingly been his top scumread. However, Z-Bo has been surprisingly content to jump onto other wagons. It's not something I can point to specific posts in his filter, but something you see after reading his filter as a whole.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112&user=28495&user=28495

When Mr.CC was being pushed by Yamato and DP, Z-Boson really sat on the sidelines and watched things. He probes CC with a couple of questions, and even mentions him as a scumread. But he's never really aggressive, nor does he lobby for votes... he just kinda pokes at him repeatedly. Also, I found this post really uncharacteristic of Z-Boson:
On January 08 2013 16:07 Z-BosoN wrote:
With that being said I'll take a better look at CC tomorrow. He's been quite active, and I'd rather lynch into people who don't really seem to give a shit.


Z-Boson basically ignores his scumread against CC, and is deciding who to lynch based on diagnostics of activity - RATHER than actual scumminess. This is all the more strange, considering he was soft-defending ShaioPi at this point in the game (who was mega-lurking).

Z-Bo repeats this process with Yamato, offering several pokes but never following up.
On January 09 2013 07:04 Z-BosoN wrote:
Also, I like Hapa's observation on yamato on his stance on CC, I hand't seen his "huge town read" earlier. Wonder what changed his mind


Then he dismisses yamato on another strange diagnostic:
I'm not too interested in yamato, his play has been pretty active, and was very persistent in his reads. Newer players generally don't behave so, especially with someone like hapa pressuring them the other way. I started flinging shit at you as soon as I caught up the thread, in which I saw a fairly understandable scum read turn into a "prob town read" for.... crap.


Again, changing on a read based on activity rather than scumminess. Also, he just re-hashes a lot of what DP said in this post.

All and all, I'm surprised that Z-Bo hasn't been all that assertive this game. He's relied on my approval for a lot of things as opposed to pushing for answers himself.



As for Jay...

God I don't know. There are a lot of posts that make me go "WTF" in his filter. An example is when he said me not voting in two lynches looked "bad." I can also go back to the early-game where he was on DP about scumslips. What's making me lean scum on him right now is how he's all of a sudden willing to lynch MrZ after hard-defending the fuck out of him for all of yesterday. Also, he's attacking yamato for not being willing to insta-lynch MrZ, which is really strange:
On January 10 2013 16:44 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 15:38 yamato77 wrote:
Moving forward, I think the best plan of action is to sit on the assumption that we can lynch Zentor at any point, and hunt for either his scum mate, or in the small likelihood that he's actually town, find the real scum.

We can lynch anyone at anypoint. If it's very unlikely that hes town then why wouldn't you just lynch him?

You should always lynch your best scum read. Never ever save a lynch for later on someone you think is scum.



The flipside is that he made posts that we can construe as "genuine," but at this stage of the game, I don't believe that's a legitimate reason to think that someone is town.




My raw gut-feeling on the scumteam is the combo of Z-Bo and Jay. My brain says MrZ, but my gut is usually right on these things. Wish I had more time. Sorry I couldn't leave y'all with more.

GL HF, and I hope what I've left is of help to you guys =)
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 22:57 GMT
#1480
And I wish I could talk more, but I'm busy for the rest of tonight, and I won't be able to access the thread. =(
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:37 GMT
#1494
From 'da phone =O

I didn't read any of Jay's case, but something's really strange about his ability to bomb such a giant case with such conviction given how unsure he was yesterday.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:43 GMT
#1500
@Z-Bo

Didn't have time 2 play today.

Also, the whole reason we're in this mess is because the town has been too dependent on me for discussion rather than generating discussion themselves. If you're town, you have the opportunity to prove me wrong in the next few hours and tomorrow.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:44 GMT
#1502
As far as I'm concerned, tomorrow should be treated as a new day for the 4 unconfirmed townies. I wish I could be there to look at things, but I doubt that's likely.

Also, it looks like I'll be phone-posting some. Weeeeeeeeeeee
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:45 GMT
#1503
Mother of fuck that was my 4k
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:48 GMT
#1511
On January 11 2013 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 08:43 Hapahauli wrote:
@Z-Bo

Didn't have time 2 play today.

Also, the whole reason we're in this mess is because the town has been too dependent on me for discussion rather than generating discussion themselves. If you're town, you have the opportunity to prove me wrong in the next few hours and tomorrow.


Yea but then when I came in you backed off and left it to me to sprout discussion. Discussion in which I tried to include you in and now is being referred to as "seeking approval".


The approval stuff is wider than that. I keep telling you not to do it, and you kept doing it. Anyway, u still sold on MrZ/Jay scumteam?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:51 GMT
#1519
On January 11 2013 08:49 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 08:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Jay

Who is Mr. Z's scumbuddy? Go.

Z-Boson i said this in my case


That makes a terrible amount of sense.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 10 2013 23:52 GMT
#1521
And Z-bo, stop bitching about my scumreads and scumhunt
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:01 GMT
#1529
On January 11 2013 08:59 MrZentor wrote:
Hapa, you need to tell Jay that I'm not scum. He obviously won't listen to me, because to him I'm scum.

If he votes with scum tomorrow (Z-Boson, Yamato), they will have half the votes, and we won't be able to lynch them.


Well I'm not 100% sure you're town. If you're town, don't use me as a crutch. You have plenty of opportunities tomorrow prove you're town if you're town.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:03 GMT
#1531
Oh and MrZ, I can say whatever right now, but realistically none of that is going to change anything tomorrow unless you decide to step up your game
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:06 GMT
#1534
On January 11 2013 09:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay Yamato scumteam I want it to happen.

Thing is.. if Jay was bussing Mr. Z, I think Mr. Z would be screaming that he's scum right now. I still don't get how he thinks Jay is town.


Don't apply logic to fundamentally illogical players. Big no no, whatever his alignment is
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:07 GMT
#1536
I have to say that Yamato's inactivity is annoying
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:10 GMT
#1538
Out of curiousity Jay, why do you think MrZ/Z-Bo is more likely, than say Z-Bo/Yamato? 'Cause Z-Bo has been pushing MrZ all game

too many Zs
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:12 GMT
#1540
huh. That's an interesting way of looking at things
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