EPTIf you want me to vote Yamato, build me a case that 100% convinces me he's scum. I'm not going to vote on process of elimination (atleast not now).
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Hapahauli
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If you want me to vote Yamato, build me a case that 100% convinces me he's scum. I'm not going to vote on process of elimination (atleast not now). | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:16 yamato77 wrote: You're not supposed to let out our secret MrZ. Remember when you were yelling at people to be useful? Oh those were the times... | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:14 Dandel Ion wrote: Mostly elimination, I admit, since I can remove myself from the suspects. Like I apply myself as the town i am, and all my townreads to the list of people, and yamato and Zboson were left over. I didn't look very hard into him personally, yet, since he replaced after I stopped following super-closely. But I gotta say: Doesn't sound rly convinced. Do YOU have a townread on Zbo? I have opinions on Z-Bo, but I'd rather not talk about them right now, since I'm the last person people need to hear from at the moment. | ||
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What will it be? | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:23 yamato77 wrote: What is it you think I should be doing, repeating myself over and over about why I want to lynch Zentor like he's doing with me? I'm gauging Dandel at the moment because the person he replaced could definitely have been the other scum. Otherwise, I highly doubt you, DP, or Zbo are scum. Jay probably isn't either, from what I've been reading of his filter. Any analysis would help. You screaming MrZ is useless/scum won't get you anywhere. Read filters, post cases, etc. Like you have a town read on Jay all of a sudden. Why? What's the reasoning? Why would you put Z-Bo in the same category as two confirmed townies? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On January 09 2013 11:30 yamato77 wrote: What is in Zentor's filter besides "lynch people, I'm confirmed town, you're confirmed town, lynch this guy"? It's a pretty accurate assessment IMO. Do you really want me to pick out all the posts where he does exactly this? Reasoning on Jay. Go. Hell you're trying to "gauge Dandel Ion" right now, but you haven't asked him a single question. How do you guage a guy who just replaced in without talking to him? | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:42 yamato77 wrote: I'm reading what you're asking him. There's not much for me to add to what you want him to do, heh. There's not a single thing you want to ask Dandel, who is apparently the only person you can see flipping scum other than MrZ? | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:47 yamato77 wrote: No, I said you're already asking him the questions I want answers to. Do you have free time tomorrow? Because I want you to take over for me in that regard. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Who do you think is scum right now DP? | ||
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On January 09 2013 11:58 DarthPunk wrote: Two of dandel, Jay, MR Z MAYBE, MAYBE ZB is in that group. But that is a far more difficult proposition. Also. Hapa CC and I are all confirmed town. So you can trust our intentions completely if you are town. I think Dandel has the highest chance of flipping scum. The problem is, lynching replacements early is generally a terrible play. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Before the Day 1 lynch deadline, you thought Shaio was scum. In fact, you had this rather strong statement in one of your posts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391112¤tpage=26#513 Either he or Xatalos is scum, I'm not sure which. It's pretty unlikely that they're both scum, considering how they both made cases on why the other is scum. Since then, you've never really pushed the idea of wanting to lynch Shaio, which is really odd. You've mentioned "Shaio is scum" a bunch of times in your filter: On January 09 2013 06:05 MrZentor wrote: Two of Yamato, Z Boson, and ShiaoPi are scum. So probably Yamato and ShiaoPi. On January 09 2013 06:12 MrZentor wrote: Confirmed town Hapahauli MrZentor Mr. CheeseCake Most Probably Town jaybrundage DarthPunk I Hate to Think He's Town, but He Probably Is Z-Boson Scum yamato77 ShiaoPi Not once have you ever explained why you think Shaio is scum, nor have you ever attempted to pressure him. Other than that, you've been pushing anti-town objectives (rushed lynches on both days). The only case you've really pushed is the one against Yamato, and you're not even pushing it. You're just kicking him while he's down. In a game where I have reasons to think everyone is town for one reason or another (except for Shaio), I have to turn to the person that's pushing mafia objectives. And that's you right now. Because Jay seems townie. As does Z-Bo (though his lack of activity is concerning of late) And even Yamato - he's been a dick to me all game, and that's a pretty huge town-tell. Eywa- 2.0 so far, and I think DP's right about him. What's left is you, and the only reason I have to think you're town is a meta argument. And in all your town-games, you atleast attempt to push reads and scumhunt. You're really not doing much this game at all. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Anywho, I just find Shaio's play scummy. We'll see what Dandel brings to the table, but there are a few things I don't like about Dandels posting so far. For example, he's really really down for a Yamato lynch, yet barely mentions Yamato at all in his notes. As for MrZ, I thought I explained it really clearly in my previous posts. I'm not sure what to think of MrZ. Meta does suggest he's town, however he's been pushing a lot of mafia objectives this game. He's been rushing lynches, he hasn't been pushing his reads much, and when he does, he just kinda locked into the idea of you being scum and kicked you when you were down. Like this post. I hate this post so much. On January 09 2013 07:46 MrZentor wrote: By the way, Hapa, I've changed my mind. I'd like to delay the lynch. Watching Yamato struggle as scum is hilarious. XD | ||
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Hapahauli
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Scum have huge incentives in this format to pile on one wagon. One major scum objective is to make the day end as quick as possible, as infinitely long days create more discussion. The second, is that the game is sufficiently small enough (2 man scum-team) where distancing isn't much of a concern. It's very dangerous to bus (you potentially lose 50% of your team), and scum probably won't pay much attention to that in a small game. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Won't lie, I really want to lynch you right now. Mainly for this: On January 09 2013 10:40 Dandel Ion wrote: I'd totally lynch yamato. Other scum most likely Zbo. On January 09 2013 10:42 Dandel Ion wrote: btw I would have lynched Shiao after yamato too, but can we like, not do that now? Would be nice. What is even the point of these comments? The only purpose for stuff like this is to agree with people, and not to serve any town objectives. You just replaced in, and you even admitted to not being fully caught up: On January 09 2013 10:50 Dandel Ion wrote: I did follow pretty closely up to... uhm night 1? or so then I kinda stopped. still read it casually tho I'm a bit tipsy atm, and not fully caught up, so I don't wanna vote pplz yet. Feel free to hammer him in the meantime if your so eager. I'm just gonna post the notes i did so far straight. I did em for me tho, so if ya dont understand something, jsut ask Basically, you're down for lynching Yamato (despite rarely mentioning Yamato in your "notes") despite only being caught up to page 17. Then all of a sudden when you "read" the game: On January 09 2013 23:47 Dandel Ion wrote: Yeah no, yamato is prob town. | ||
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Welcome back Z-Bo! I am rather concerned about your recent activity of late. As well as you calling MrZ scum over and over again without actually having voted him. | ||
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"Yes I'd be down for lynching a guy based on the first 33% of the game." WTF is the point of saying that? | ||
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On January 10 2013 04:21 Z-BosoN wrote: Concerned how? I've been busy. Also, I'm not placing my vote because I don't want to start an avalanche like last time, I thought you yourself wanted to drag this on longer... Well yes, but you've been 100% convinced that MrZ is scum for the better part of the last 2 days. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On January 10 2013 04:23 Dandel Ion wrote: what is the point in pointing this out? If it was pointless, you wouldn't say it was scummy. You'd say it was pointless. But you're not doing that. So I think you understand that there is a merit to it. Unfortunately for me, you assume a mafia merit, but whatevs. The point is, you don't even think yourself that they are pointless, as I pointed out. So your question is redundant. It's pointless from a town perspective. From a scum-perspective, I can think of many ways to rationalize what you did. Fanning the flames of a Yamato lynch, wanting to agree with the town for the sake of agreeing, etc. | ||
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