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On January 09 2013 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Everyone was pushing me. I need to clear myself in order for people tovtake me seriously. I cant save you twice anyway, you die then me. I figure being confirmed town is better
Oh wellz.
Do you actually make Yamato's pushing of you as scummy? He seems to do that every game - what makes this one different from the past?
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On January 09 2013 04:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'll respond after Hapa
After I do what?
Well anyway, I have very mixed feelings on the tunnel. It seems like raving confirmation bais, but I don't believe it's difficult for scum to tunnel at all. And then you have all these posts Yamato was making on Day 1:
On January 06 2013 00:19 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to quit the tunneling deal. I'm almost always wrong and I waste a lot of time in games by doing so.
On January 06 2013 16:59 yamato77 wrote:
@Hapa
From the YANMM Obs QT after I died, I asked how I could have played better:
Toad
12-31-2012
09:27 PM ET (US)
@Yamato:
less emotional would have been better Yamato. I saw you getting influenced by people and how they posted and thought you're raging a lot. And I think you did or it at least altered your reads a lot because you ended up pushing people who made you mad if I remember correctly.
I'm trying.
He was uber passive in the early game because he was trying not to tunnel and avoid situations exactly like the one that just transpired. What happened to all that? I don't know.
And then we have the town-reads on CC earlier on Day 1, most notably the following:
On January 07 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote:I don't think you guys should lynch CC, he's looked townie this game IMO. Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 14:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yo guys, cease the shitflinging kk? You both think each other are scum, that's cool and all. You guys can make condense cases later so we don't have to sift through this mess.
This argument could pretty much go on forever between you two. What say you guys to SP being super ultra mega neutral so far this game? Concerning or no? This post I referenced before but it's a huge town tell in my eyes that he wanted to stop the fight between Hapa/DP that was consuming the thread. He saw two of his town reads going at each other and managed to get them to stop shitting the thread up and post logically. Scum could have egged it on, or not even posted.
It's hard to reverse on something like a "huge town tell," especially when it is so specifically and cleanly rationalized. I dont' know how Yamato seemingly forgot about all of this.
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So my questions to Yamato would be:
1) You specifically mentioned that you were trying to make a stylistic change in the way you played, and it played a huge role in how you played the early game. Why did you not follow through, especially since you were making such a huge effort to do so?
2) How did you forget about your "Huge town tell" on CC during all of this? It's hard to believe that you forgot about something so specifically rationalized. You claim that his play seemingly got worse after Day 1 (at which point you started calling him scum), BUT this was very conveniently lined up with sentiments in the thread shifting against CC.
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Does that mean that mafia can save KP (i.e. save one day and use 2 the next), or that they can just abstain from shooting thereby losing the KP)?
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On January 09 2013 06:03 MrZentor wrote:
Also, guys, Jay is town.
So who is scum?
Last game (Witchcraft), you were trying to push scumreads and your ideas. This game, your play has been devoid of it.
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On January 09 2013 06:05 MrZentor wrote:
Two of Yamato, Z Boson, and ShiaoPi are scum.
So probably Yamato and ShiaoPi.
Okeydoke. So explain then.
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Why is jay most likely town at this point?
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MrZ...
On January 09 2013 06:24 Hapahauli wrote:
Why is jay most likely town at this point?
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On January 09 2013 06:29 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 06:12 MrZentor wrote:
Confirmed town
Hapahauli
MrZentor
Mr. CheeseCake
Most Probably Town
jaybrundage
DarthPunk
I Hate to Think He's Town, but He Probably Is
Z-Boson
Scum
yamato77
ShiaoPi
It's pretty simple. Hrrm I'm undecided on CC still. Given the fact that mafia can hold KP they could set this up to exonerate CC and give him "confirmed" townie status. They run into the risk of getting counter claimed by the real doctor. But it is a fifty percent shot that we don't have a doctor. Are those odds the mafia are willing to take I don't know. But its good to keep in mind.
It's certainly possible, but very very unlikely. First of all, CC didn't have a high chance of getting lynched given my support of him. Why would he claim (with a 50% of getting insta-lynched from a counter-claim) as scum? It makes no sense.
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Why does that make him town? 3 random posts w/out explanation is bleh.
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I don't like having to force all these explanations out of you
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On January 09 2013 06:45 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 06:34 Hapahauli wrote:On January 09 2013 06:29 jaybrundage wrote:On January 09 2013 06:12 MrZentor wrote:
Confirmed town
Hapahauli
MrZentor
Mr. CheeseCake
Most Probably Town
jaybrundage
DarthPunk
I Hate to Think He's Town, but He Probably Is
Z-Boson
Scum
yamato77
ShiaoPi
It's pretty simple.Hrrm I'm undecided on CC still. Given the fact that mafia can hold KP they could set this up to exonerate CC and give him "confirmed" townie status. They run into the risk of getting counter claimed by the real doctor. But it is a fifty percent shot that we don't have a doctor. Are those odds the mafia are willing to take I don't know. But its good to keep in mind. It's certainly possible, but very very unlikely. First of all, CC didn't have a high chance of getting lynched given my support of him. Why would he claim (with a 50% of getting insta-lynched from a counter-claim) as scum? It makes no sense. But given that if Scum have a RB CC is now useless. Like if Scum couldn't hold on to KP i would of liked the claim more if we could count for sure that he is town. But i guess I see where your coming from It doesn't make much sense for scum. Ill withdraw my scum read on CC. HI town CC nice to meet ya :D
The RB wouldn't affect much, since the kill order's likely going to be myself, then CC on the next night.
Also no one has claimed being RB'd yet.
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Well on behavior, the most obv scum player here is Shaio. I'd ideally like to NOT RUSH THINGS again though and wait till he comes back and/or 48 hours expires.
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You didn't answer this Yams:
1) You specifically mentioned that you were trying to make a stylistic change in the way you played, and it played a huge role in how you played the early game. Why did you not follow through, especially since you were making such a huge effort to do so?
It's your early stance on "not tunneling people to hell" this game that I want to hear you explain.
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There are many ways I could describe your tunnel of CC. "Fair treatment" isn't one of them:
On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:
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You're full of shit. Die scum.
On January 08 2013 11:54 yamato77 wrote:
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Man you're full of shit.
On January 08 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote:
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Stop claiming scum.
On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:
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You're so scummy it's ridiculous.
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On January 09 2013 07:51 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:40 Hapahauli wrote:There are many ways I could describe your tunnel of CC. "Fair treatment" isn't one of them: On January 08 2013 11:58 yamato77 wrote:
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You're full of shit. Die scum. On January 08 2013 11:54 yamato77 wrote:
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Man you're full of shit. On January 08 2013 11:51 yamato77 wrote:
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Stop claiming scum. On January 08 2013 11:48 yamato77 wrote:
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You're so scummy it's ridiculous. Yeah, did you bother to look at the bullshit he was spewing at the same time? One minute I'm scum, the next minute I'm not, etc. He was full if it. As I said, I refuse to apologize for it.
We have a clear disagreement for how "bullshit" his comments were.
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Well continue on with whatever it is that you're doing then. Because all I have from you of substance this game was a pretty terrible tunnel of Mr.CC.
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And to quote yourself:
On January 09 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
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How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you.
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On January 09 2013 08:06 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:45 MrZentor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2013 07:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2013 07:21 MrZentor wrote:On January 09 2013 07:18 Hapahauli wrote:
Well on behavior, the most obv scum player here is Shaio. I'd ideally like to NOT RUSH THINGS again though and wait till he comes back and/or 48 hours expires. Fine. I already know who the scum are, so I'll probably not post again until you guys are ready to lynch. Also, do something about Z-Boson; he's Eywa all over again. Speak of the devil, just the man I wanted to see. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. How's it going, MrZ? Still doing nothing? Check. Finding the two scum by process of elimination isn't exactly nothing. + Show Spoiler +Still going after easy lynches with almost no justification? Check. I agree that you're an easy lynch, but that's only because you're bad as scum. Also, I have plenty of justification. Still not giving a fuck in finding a good lynch candidate? Check. I feel like I could answer most of these by quoting the post in which I show why Yamato and ShiaoPi are scum. Still spouting shit about being "confirmed town"? Check. Na, I'm confirmed to intelligent townies, but it's difficult to see why I'm obviously town when you're scum. That's an intended side effect of my play. It's makes it easier to catch scum. How about YOU do some real scum hunting today or I lynch you. Is it bad that I laughed at this question? XD Please excuse my dear friend Yamato77. He's just angry because I know he's scum. And he couldn't find a decent target to attack to make it look as if he's a productive townie. Which is why he chose me. Bad choice. He's even managed to make attacking him a scum tell, for God's sake. As if he's done ANYTHING to prove he's town this game. Seriously?
Attacking MrZ when he's town actually is a scumtell. It's funny but true.
What have you done to prove that you're town?
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On January 09 2013 08:01 yamato77 wrote:
Zentor has done shit but call you and himself town this whole game and I'm the one you feel has a lack of contribution.
The extent of your confirmation bias against me this game is astounding Hapa.
Coming from you, this is fucking hilarious.
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