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On January 08 2013 12:23 yamato77 wrote:How is wanting town to be suspicious of you a town tell? The best advice I've ever been given about being town is to get out of the way of the scumhunt. He can't even manage to do that. Apparently everyone thinks I'm bad regardless of what I do but I'm putting my case out there. As I said, I don't really give a shit if you agree with me or not because I think he's scum.
Does it make sense from a scum perspective to shower suspicion on yourself? Scum mentality is to avoid the spotlight and blend in. CC is doing the exact opposite.
Do I agree with how CC is playing? No. But that doesn't mean he's scum, because his play makes zero sense from that perspective.
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@ Yamato
Back to my post over here:
I'm curious. In all of the games you've played as town, when have you used ANY of these tells to actually find and lynch mafia?
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On January 08 2013 12:38 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:36 Hapahauli wrote:@ YamatoBack to my post over here: I'm curious. In all of the games you've played as town, when have you used ANY of these tells to actually find and lynch mafia? Apparently I can't read people so it doesn't make any difference. All of the times I have lynched mafia people said I was sheeping so whatever. I'm leaving. This was a waste. I'm arguing against the scum and his biggest supporter.
Stop being a whiny little bitch and get back in here. "I'm done talking to you because my feelings are hurt that I'm attacking your case" is pathetic. And is lynchable.
And kid, you better listen to what the fuck I have to say, because I know a hell of a lot more about scum-hunting than you do.
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@ DP
Thoughts on recent developments? You kinda peac'd out
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Yeah probably. I'm generally an asshole when I play this game.
Aaaaaanyway, fact is that I need Yamato to talk to me about his read. I start attacking his logic... and then he quits instead of backing himself up? That's unacceptable and doesn't play towards town goals at all.
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DP. You're telling me that you read the last few pages and you still think CC is scum...
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On January 08 2013 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:26 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 12:23 yamato77 wrote:How is wanting town to be suspicious of you a town tell? The best advice I've ever been given about being town is to get out of the way of the scumhunt. He can't even manage to do that. Apparently everyone thinks I'm bad regardless of what I do but I'm putting my case out there. As I said, I don't really give a shit if you agree with me or not because I think he's scum. Does it make sense from a scum perspective to shower suspicion on yourself? Scum mentality is to avoid the spotlight and blend in. CC is doing the exact opposite. Do I agree with how CC is playing? No. But that doesn't mean he's scum, because his play makes zero sense from that perspective. This is fucking bullshit hapa. His play makes perfect sense as scum.
There seems to be a disconnect over what we think a hypothetical Mr.CC scum is capable of.
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On January 08 2013 13:03 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 12:43 Hapahauli wrote:On January 08 2013 12:38 yamato77 wrote:On January 08 2013 12:36 Hapahauli wrote:@ YamatoBack to my post over here: I'm curious. In all of the games you've played as town, when have you used ANY of these tells to actually find and lynch mafia? Apparently I can't read people so it doesn't make any difference. All of the times I have lynched mafia people said I was sheeping so whatever. I'm leaving. This was a waste. I'm arguing against the scum and his biggest supporter. Stop being a whiny little bitch and get back in here. "I'm done talking to you because my feelings are hurt that I'm attacking your case" is pathetic. And is lynchable. And kid, you better listen to what the fuck I have to say, because I know a hell of a lot more about scum-hunting than you do. Well why don't you sit back and critique my cases some more, then? It's so productive for me to go after my scum read and then have you come in here and shit all over it.
Listen. Yes I am critiquing your cases, because I disagree with you. That's part of the process here. For example, you think that him drawing attention to himself in such a manner is scummy. That's just simply not a scum tell. I think you'll find in a lot of your past games, that the scum aren't the ones drawing attention to themselves. They aren't the ones that OMGUS, are raving lunatics, or get into crazy fights. They are very often the ones blending in and hiding.
You just finished Yet Another Normal Mini Mafia, right? Who was scum - Dr. Wiggles, Vivax, and Sciberia. They weren't super-active spammy dudes. They were for the most part trying to blend behind the scenes. The player under intense scrutiny and drawing attention to himself (Promethelax) was town.
Then you have Newbie XXXII, where Rad and Oatsmaster were scum. Rad for the most part dropped a big case once in a while and blended in. Oatsmaster was active and spammy, but was so whiney compared to his towny self.
So when I see you making this read on Mr.CC, I'm not attacking it to be an asshole. I'm attacking it because I believe it's fundamentally wrong, and I feel like I'm watching my less-experienced past self OMGUS townies into oblivion (which I did and still do with extreme regularity).
And I'm sorry I'm being dickish about it, but I do feel very strongly about it.
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On January 08 2013 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Also hapa stop defending CC plz. Let him defend himself. You getting involved helps no one and yamato is pursuing his top scum read.
CC is a big boy he can fight his own battles.
Well I'm more interested in figuring out Yamato than I am CC at this point.
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Yeah, I understand that scum can play actively. However, I have yet to run into a scum that draws attention to themselves in such a manner so deliberately, and at the same time remain that calm about it. There are a very short list of players I believe are capable of that. CC is most definitely not one of those players.
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I'm somewhat around. I have to go to bed soon though.
I think the biggest issue I have with you Jay is that you seem to push suspicions on everrrrrrrryone simultaneously:
On January 07 2013 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok can we lynch cc now
On January 07 2013 08:23 jaybrundage wrote:
That was so badddddddddddddddddd. I was gonna go reread Xaltos posting cause the more i looked at him the more i could see townie. Like we lynched him when he wasnt even here. I only see a scum driven wagon when I look at the votes.
Hapa questions do you think that both of the scum could of been on that wagon.
Do you think it was scummy as fuck for what Zentor and Yamato did. Hammaring with out talking to the town first is terrible we should all b agreeing on shit. Not do rash dumb actons
On January 08 2013 11:15 jaybrundage wrote:
I would be done for a Shaiopi lynch.
Also DP why would you think im scum. If CC comes up as scum. Pushing your partner hard when there is only 2 scum is pretty stupid
On January 08 2013 07:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Wait its in one hour.
Also i think ZBoson might be scummy this is a read straight from the gut tho. IF i have time ill try to write a case incase i get killed.
That's like five separate players you've basically accused of being outright scum in the last ~24 hours or so. I think it goes beyond simple paranoia into you trying to "fan the flames" of suspicions in the thread.
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@ Jay
And this recent push of yours on Shaio... it reads like you don't give a shit about who dies when looking at the rest of your play. You've been screaming "CC is scum" over and over again since last night. If you are that convinced he's scum, why are you "down" with a Shaio lynch?
And once again I just can't make sense of your reasoning regarding Shaio:
1) You mention that you made a "case" on him, but this case was early on day 1.
2) Your main justification for lynching Shaio right now seems to be this:
On January 08 2013 14:00 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 13:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay,
You seem not to care whether you lynch town or scum. What gives? You made that comment about lynching a detrimental townie to me, now you think shaiopi would be a good lynch whether hes scum or town.
Also, you've been very inactive / not involved in the thread as well. Why are you in favor of a SP lynch? I never said he would be a good lynch if hes town. I said his inactivity hurts us whether hes scum or town. In the end I can never know for sure if you, ShaioPi, ZBoson, Zentor or anyone else for that matter is town or scum. However if ShaioPi looks scummy then we should by all means lynch him. So far he hasn't given us much content to go off and determine his alignment. I dont want him at LYLO because if he stays at this post rate we still wont have much to go on. ...
Not wanting someone alive at lylo is not a reason to lynch someone. You seemingly want to lynch him here because you can't determine his alignment. Lynching null reads over people you think are scum is sketch. Really sketch.
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I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum.
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On January 08 2013 15:09 jaybrundage wrote:
Hapa I do care about who wants to get lynched. But The last 3 days or so my biggest scum read has been CC and your have done a great job of making sure that goes no where.
I was not happy at what Zentor and Yamato. And i was posting when i was kinda pissed. Scummy wasnt the right word to use tho. I think Dumb as fuck or really stupid, or anti town would all of sufficed better. I still am Null on those players. Leaning town a bit based on what people have said about Zentor's meta and how you guys have a good read on him. Similar to how i deferred to your experience with DP for a read.
I have been trying to expand my scum reads more tho cause this CC lynch doesnt look like its gonna happen unless you change your mind about him. What if you were in my position. If you had someone that you thought was scum. But the town refused to lynch him. Even had players HARD defending him. Its kind of frustrating.
Z-Boson was more of a gut thing I had the same premonition last game with him and I was right he was scum. So I thought i would throw it out there as opposed to sitting on the information.
Also at the top of your post you say its a push.... Its not a push its giving my consent to a lynch that your pushing. I havent made a real case yet since my last one on cc. But its wierd as well. Before most towns were very case orientated. This town not so much.
Anyway If ShaioPi starts shitting town vibes and rainbows whats your next scum read?
What was odd about "abandoning" your CC read was that you did so when two players (DP and Yamato) were all-out trying to get CC killed. In fact I've been quite minority view on a "town CC." Everyone else thought he was scum, at which point you all of a sudden you gave your consent to lynch Shaio.
As for who I want to lynch other than Shaio, I'll tell you if and when it happens.
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I'm going to have to do another mulligan on my reads. Something feels very off this game for me, and I'm going to have to do another pass at things.
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Ya know Z-Bo, I do think you have a very good point about MrZ.
In Witchcraft Mini, MrZ tunneled me all of Night 1 and most of Day 2 because I wasn't yet dead. While the logic is similar, the intensity with which he pushed my wagon was far different than he's doing this game. In fact in Witchcraft, he was much more concerned with scumhunting, even on Day 1.
I think the overall quality of his reads this game is fairly normal for a town MrZ. However he's been pushing his reads far differently this game.
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On January 08 2013 15:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:44 Z-BosoN wrote:On January 08 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
GUYS
Hey guys.
I have a secret.
The secret is
Hapa only has town reads on scummy trolls.
Wait there's more!
If you stay a scummy troll the whole game he'll think you're CONFIRMED TOWN.
I know my plan. That's just plain unnecessary, I think he's being way more insightful and specific than that. What the fuck is the point of that post I'm illustrating the ridiculousness of Hapa's defense of CC's play. Who honestly thinks that guy is useful at all? He's basically claiming scum with all his "tunnel me" bullshit. I don't see why he shouldn't hang.
Just because you say the whole "tunnel me" thing is scummy doesn't mean it actually is. Once again, show me a scum-game of any player where he or she takes that attitude as scum.
Any player. I'm serious.
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On January 08 2013 16:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2013 15:17 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm curious DP, why did you end up moving off of CC? I get that you think Jay is scummy, but you were balls out convinced forrrrrevvvvverrrr that CC was scum. Did I move off cc? I said his recent posts were townie, and now I am focusing on jay. I am not too stubborn to ignore your opinions altogether. Do I think there is a good chance cc is scum? yes. Is jay scummier right now? yes. I swear to god if I was still tunnelling cc you would be like: Hey DP Y U still tunnel townie cheesecake?
Yeah probably =P
Aaaaanyway, bed time for me. I'll hopefully have a concrete read or two this afternoon and/or when Shaio gets his ass back in here.
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I can't believe not a single person picked up on that given CC's post-Night actions regarding the doctor and how I was saved without a doubt.
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And CC, why did you claim? The only person pushing you was Yamato .
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