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On January 31 2013 00:41 BinOnFire wrote: Wishy-washy as fuck post. 'I dont think he is scum, blablabla, What you say is accurate, but it could make him both scum and town, blablabla I dont think he is town cause his deck is town favoured but he has been useless.' Uhuh Acro. Ok this sounds to me that you have a scum read for a different reason. Care to share? No. I have a null read on you. | ||
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I thought you were an aggressive little townie noob, although Dandel Ion said you had jumped out of the starting blocks aggressively before as scum. However, you kept up the style and that was okay for me to write you off into the "look into later category" because there are people I think are scummier than you. I then looked over iGrok's analysis and kinda disagree on calling you scummy for the stuff he calls you scum about, so I said that. That doesn't make you town, it just keeps me on my null read of you. | ||
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On January 31 2013 00:51 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Here, I'll elaborate. I thought you were an aggressive little townie noob, although Dandel Ion said you had jumped out of the starting blocks aggressively before as scum. However, you kept up the style and that was okay for me to write you off into the "look into later category" because there are people I think are scummier than you. I then looked over iGrok's analysis and kinda disagree on calling you scummy for the stuff he calls you scum about, so I said that. That doesn't make you town, it just keeps me on my null read of you. To expand, he opened agressively as scum and got lynched on day 1 because his scum was so obvious. A point that's not worth much, since I have to assume he improved his play since then. So that doesn't make him town, it's a null tell. --> null read. Oats, it would do you well to actually read posts (WHOLE posts) instead of just bolding some sentences you don't like and going all passive-aggressive on them. ~dandel | ||
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On January 31 2013 00:55 BinOnFire wrote: Just playing the devil's advocate in that whole series of posts. Why the hell were you playing devil's advocate against something that was YOUR play to begin with. Here is the plan, as described by your hydra head: On January 29 2013 09:41 BinOnFire wrote: So let me rephrase my two lines of play: 1) Cast Minds Aglow T1, hope to hit Collective Voyage (very high odds if we do all draw ~10 cards), Collective Voyage T2, everyone has ~20 lands in play for T3. 2) Mulligan, hope to draw Collective Voyage (30%, I checked the math), everyone has ~10 lands in play for T2. I like the first one - it's much safer, and leaves us all in a much stronger position on T3. Thoughts, everyone? Picking option 1... and then: On January 29 2013 09:45 BinOnFire wrote: To further expand on plan 1) Cast Minds Aglow T1, hope to hit Collective Voyage (77% if we do all draw ~10 cards), Collective Voyage T2, everyone has ~20 lands in play for T3. Now are you saying you were not on board with this plan? Or were you and you were just engaging in a pointless discussion with someone else (me) who was on board with the plan. I wrote it up to noobishness, but it turns out it was intentional play. Sorry, iGrok, you may be onto something. | ||
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On January 31 2013 01:09 BinOnFire wrote: My play, but there are downsides too, which like no one addressed. After it was suggested, there was no opposition so its not like I had to push it or anything. Look, how does that make me scummy? /Oats Here: 1. You propose a plan. 2. People discuss the plan a bit and decide that it's generally okay. 3. You decide that instead of dropping the discussion and starting to scumhunt (which you still haven't started, btw), you should discuss it more, but now you say it's a bad plan. 4. People (me) bite and it derails the thread for another few pages or so. All this accomplishes 2 things: 1. You look busy and innocent. 2. It buries potential useful information and ensures town keeps talking about nonsense. Is there a town explanation too? Yes. It boils down to you being an idiot. So we have to answer the question whether you are an idiot, or scum? /Acro | ||
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On January 31 2013 01:20 BinOnFire wrote: What is your definition of scumhunting? So are you scummy for derailing the thread? Double Standerds here. This game is really weird for me to scumhunt cause so far, 1/2 of it has been setup discussion. However, Aperture's post was a good thing, in that it created discussion between the 3 of us. Hopefully, MORE PEOPLE WILL RESPOND TO IT. I had one viewpoint: For me: more cards = more zombies. more zombies = good thing. For bin: more cards = more chance of getting collective voyage = more lands for everybody (except me) = good thing. For everybody else: more cards = improved hand = good thing. I might have gotten carried away in defending that viewpoint, but I wasn't purposefully dragging out the discussion. I honestly thought people were not understanding why more cards was a good thing. I was NOT purposefully dragging out the discussion by inventing new opinions with the sole purpose of playing devil's advocate for my own plan. See the difference there? /Acro | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Posts correctly signed count, for gonzaw's pleasure: Clockwork: 41 unsigned 56 signed DFTP: 63 unsigned 66 signed ebwops with names and missposts on main accounts are condensed as "signed". Observe the difference in ratio. As you can clearly see in my exhibit, gonzaw is a narcissistic person that likes to delude himself into thinking he's on a greater realm than other people. When in reality, he is inhabitating a glass house. Thank you for your attention. ~Dandel Ion - CEO of Quality Posts By Quality Posters Inc. | ||
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On January 31 2013 04:27 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Marv, baby, talk to me about how you read hopeless right now. I need some help. P I had thought you prided yourself on being able to read hopeless relatively well? ~dandel | ||
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I said shouldn't give dubious people too much power, but we're not dubious. We're blatantly town. ~dandel | ||
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On January 31 2013 05:07 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Ok, I am now suspicious of Acro. Unlike MG he knows my play and if he really thinks what I did on Bin is at all alignment indicative of me, he's either being stupid or he's mafia. - marvelbabe lolk ~dandel | ||
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Concerning cards: not the best of cards, not the worst of cards. We can do 9 damage this turn. We'll play 4 zombies and a basking rootwalla. /both | ||
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We also absolutely loathe the presence of deathrite shaman. /Acro | ||
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If Deathrite Shaman fucks with our graveyard, Xfire will die in a Zombie Apocalypse. /both | ||
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Marv is pretty damned proud of his D1 status of never being suspected, and that is because he generally looks pretty damned townie on D1. Recent games: LVI, got elected and lynched scum on D1. PU, had some arguments, but was never in doubt. Took a back seat in most plays, because 3P wincon. Hero Mini, early support on bussing his scumbuddy D1. I don't think Marv has ever died on D1 and that is because Marv always puts in an effort on D1. This game, he clearly didn't (at least not at the start). The only other game I can find where Marv really didn't put in an effort on D1 is MTG Mini Mafia I. He was scum in that game. The play-by-play I was doing just showed the lack of effort he put in until about 2/3 through the day. Verdict: scum Then we get this: + Show Spoiler [Marv's defense] + On January 30 2013 22:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: Hi. I said I found Cross suspicious, and told you something I noted about it. I'm not gonna rehash what has already been said by multiple other posters. Although if it would make you happy I can have a go at rephrasing the same things again (hint: I won't do this). As far as I'm aware, I'm also one of the first (if not the first) to give the opinion of Stutters that his posts seemed interested and his empty promises mean nothing for alignment. Simply enough I was never going to post a lot this game. Last Magic game I did not a single thing, so this is me trying some  As for Aperture, I did the meme because I found what he did hilarious in its hypocrisy. I don't know how to judge it so much right now, and he'll have to be judged on his long-awaited scumhunting after the 'profiling' of the players that he's apparently carrying out. I don't really share my other half's suspicion of CH right now, although Acro is someone I'm generally extremely wary of being able to play a strong town game as mafia. I don't particularly like the condescending tone Acro has taken in several of his posts, but I don't think that has to be indicative of him being mafia. -marvelbabe This touched all the wrong keys. Marv is a good player, he knows when he has been contributing and when he hasn't. So why the hell bother making this post? It's a load of nothing in which he claims to have done more than he has, and in the next breath says he won't do much this game at all. It is NOT a post I would associate with Marv as either alignment, so we have to throw meta overboard (as with most of his play this game): in that case I see no town reason for making a post in which you claim to contribute, apologize for not contributing and fill it out with a bit of fluff. Verdict: scum Marv's redemption (a bit). The only post by Marv that makes me think he might be town is this response to me "catching him out": + Show Spoiler [Marv figuring things out] + On January 31 2013 05:21 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: It means you fail at analysis, and you overestimate yourself. As mafia, playing a card like MG played is obviously a pretty big deal, as it has large implications and certainly seems pro-town. There really would have to have been a specific conversation about it if they were mafia, I think. On the other hand, as town, MG would just be playing this card because it's good for town, and the need to plan it out is far less. To me it seems pretty obvious that a mafia Bin would have talked this over and made sure they were united far more than a town Bin. That is why I consider it somewhat of a town tell, not a null tell. This is somewhat analogous to how in normal games, mafia players usually post and stuff by themselves, but for big decisions like who they're looking to mislynch the next day or who they're going to NK, they're going to talk about it. Now this impressed me for two reasons: the first is that IF this was a scum play, it was fucking fast. The time difference between the posts is 5 minutes, which is a damn short time to come up with an elaborate story like this. The second is that it makes a coherent train of thought and it seems as if Marv thought of this first, then jumped to the conclusion he came to, and posted his conclusion. When I then asked him how he had missed something obvious, he posted the rest of his reasoning, which fills in the gaps. Verdict: town He then goes on to finding Nova scummy for almost exclusively bad reasons. SnB starts off terribly and spends almost all his time posting about magic-related stuff. I jumped to the conclusion fairly early that he is scum and I know SnB fairly well. He is not usually as useless as this. However, as scum he is prone to lurk and when posting, do nothing of value. Verdict: scum However, while I find his defense against attack terrible, I cannot argue that it is terrible at first sight only: On January 31 2013 04:04 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: lol yeah if we were scum theres no way marv would be letting me play like this At first I just raged, because Marv was making such a big deal about how they are hardly communicating at all and the lack of a QT. However, if they are scum, they don't need a QT, they have a scumQT. Whether Marv would be able to stop SnB from posting like a tard is a moot point: the new question is whether they would really not sync up their stories, if they actually WERE communicating? Verdict: town His other defense against MG's case is pathetically bad, though. It's so outrageously bad that I am not sure what to make of it, because the case had some good points and they are all dismissed with offhand remarks. The case against Nova is pathetic. As Dandel pointed out to me: it's as if Marv and SnB pre-picked Nova as a target and then started gathering "dirt" on him. They shrug off Nova's case as not indicative of alignment (it isn't), yet present one themselves which is even worse. + Show Spoiler [annotated "case"] + On January 31 2013 05:03 SuckMyTopdeck wrote: this is silly, someone else pointed it out before, but life gain is so weak in this format that i doubt scum would be worried, still that could be explained by him not knowing much about mtg, null leaning scum a little bit tell. Not indicative of alignment. You even say so yourself, yet throw in a "little bit of a scum tell" for absolutely no fucking reason at all. sucking up to gonzaw, who has a history of being partial towards people who suck up to him (see last mtg mafia), this is scummy. also misunderstanding the importance of card advantage but that's okay because not everyone has studied mtg theory, this is null. not wanting acro to get zombies is fine but not a towntell or a scumtell/ Not indicative of alignment. None of it. Buddying ALONE is not a scumtell. It could be a sincere opinion. what what "powering up town is bad because town can kill people more easily and they might be wrong" the solution to that is to not be wrong. it's okay to oppose powering up individual players if you think they might be scum or if you think they are likely to use that power impulsively to kill townies. it's not okay to oppose powering up town as a whole. what what Weren't you opposed to me getting zombies for the exact same fucking reason? The whole thing is not indicative of alignment in any case. nice jumping in to share widespread town sentiment without providing any reasoning. like, i dont see anywhere above here in your filter you saying that crossfire is scum or explaining this suspicion. Fluff = not indicative of alignment. ditto the above, way to not actually say anything. "marvs typical posting style" lolwut, there's no way you havent seen at least a couple other games from him, hes ubiquitous. also there's literally no explanation of what nova finds scummy about marvs posts so far. and how the crap was my policy post cut and pasted? except that its the same policy i proposed last time i was town in an mtg game? Zzzzz, 2/3 of Marv's D1 was not following any meta and was just plain lurking. The only game anybody has ever played where Marv lurked, he was scum. Your policy post was just flat-out terrible. It was beside the point, hashed together and useless. Who cares whether it's cut-and-pasted. How is this indicative of alignment anyway? Nova says he'll post reasons from work. He then says work is utter chaos due to unforeseen shit. You then harrass him for reasons. Herpaderp. You could just have waited and if they weren't there tomorrow or so, then jump on it. lolk well this sucks we should wait a few days before we kill him. good thing we have to. also note that this is only an explanation for his recent absence not for his earlier terrible and scummy posting. So in short, the whole case is bogus. Now making a bad case is not necessarily a scumtell, but SnB was under quite a bit of pressure to get some scumhunting done and it looks like they picked their target based on a combination of easy shot on someone who hasn't really contributed much and a bit of OMGUS. They then gathered "evidence" to fit the case, rather than the other way round. Verdict: scum PS. I know I just did Nova's defense for him, but he has already responded and the case was terrible anyway. These are just my own findings from filter diving. Dandel is doing his own analysis (although we played some back and forth in skype). He didn't have time to finish, and can hopefully give you more tomorrow. For now, you have Acro's conclusions: is this a blatantly obvious scum? No. There's some stuff that doesn't scan with them being scum. But after reading the filter from back to front, front to back and inside out, I am still fairly confident that there is something seriously off with both Marv and SnB's play and the most obvious explanation is that they're scum, despite the town tells. /Acro | ||
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On January 31 2013 15:47 Nova_Terra wrote: Well i was trying to stay relatively null on CH but im having a hard time finding a scum motivation on any part of his last analysis, and its quite similar to the thoughts i was having but was unable to put them down well. BinonFire makes good points about rockhydra, who would be my 2nd priority for a hydra scum. Just woke up and this post sprang out of the page to me: why were you trying to stay null on me? It sounds like a remarkably strange thing to do. This is a question for Nova and if anybody else answers I will shoot you in the face. Nova, I need you to answer. /Acro | ||
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On January 31 2013 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote: When you ask so nicely, how could I possibly refuse you? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd This was funny. Also hydra fail /A | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:06 Nova_Terra wrote: If there isnt muh additional posting and help made by crossfire and stutters by tomorrow, i will be significantly more worried about those two. Well. Worried? Or not worried? Why? | ||
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On January 31 2013 19:49 Nova_Terra wrote: Very good question. I've had a variety of vibes from you and not much else, and so i thought it would be better to refrain from making much out of you until i could find some better logic. You seem to know why it's a good question. Why? | ||
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