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I'll add something else about Cross
On January 29 2013 14:20 Crossfire99 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you
Why 0/X creatures suck:
If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer
If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?
If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.
If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you
If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you.
I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this.
I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.
For instance:
I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now
Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom) I don't like this post by Gonzaw (?) because he's saying people shouldn't defend themselves. This is like a townie who is getting lynched and not fighting it. You have to fight the lynch to save yourself and help town in the process. In this game, a lynch is like everyone attacking someone, so I think people should play their decks to the best of their ability and when we find scum, we all attack him because I doubt scum can withstand 7v1. I mean if scum can withstand that, how is this game balanced lol?
I put the "U serious mate?" thing, because it seemed to me he was thinking I was suspicious because of it or something?
I mean, that's the feeling I get with "I don't like this post by gonzaw". Generally when you post something like that, it's to express your doubts about someone's alignment, which Cross failed to demonstrate in this post and the following ones.
Also this post seemed like filler, or not that thought out. He concludes with stuff like "we should lynch someone by attacking someone, if scum can withhold that then how is the game balanced lol", which to me doesn't have anything to do with the "townies should not put out useless 0/X monsters" idea he was supposedly attacking earlier.
It would in fact be the opposite of what I'm saying. If we "policy lynch" people that put out useless 0/X monsters, then scum won't put out 0/X monsters in fear of the policy, thus it'll be easier to attack them or "lynch" them.
I don't get the point of this post by Cross, again, it just seems like filler so it appears he's active and discussing stuff.
Of course, him asking "simple" questions does not bode well with me, specially if he AFKs later and doesn't contribute anything related to who he might think is scum, etc.
/G
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Like seriously, how do you put these 2 ideas in the same post:
"Townies should defend themselves from the 'lynch' "
"If we think someone is scum, we all attack him and he won't be able to withstand a 7v1 attack"
Like...if we think the townie is "scum" and follow the 2nd point, then he won't be able to withstand the 7v1 attack, so why would the 1st point matter at all?
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That's, at best, not thought out at all, and at worst a "scumslip" or contradiction.
In both cases that post of him is pointless, and even more pointless is saying "I don't like this post by gonzaw" that makes it seem like he's giving a crap about the game and finding scum.
/G
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On January 30 2013 04:48 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro Put it this way, Artanis didn't even really know we were hydraing until after the game started, and didn't know our hydra name (nor did I). Great, you're around. Find me some scum. All you've really done is make a really weak pressure post against us for "giving scum a recipe on looking townie" when you are better than that: it was blatantly obvious that going along with something that had gotten a "pro-town plan" stamp of approval could be used to gain town credit. Stating the obvious is not giving scum a recipe, it's stating the obvious. Your pressure was weaksauce and you spent like 5 posts arguing about it. You're better than that. Now stop playing LIX and pay attention here. Who's scum? /Acro
well that attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, dear. what did you think of s&b's policy post?
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marv, do you agree with what I and CH posted about Crossfire?
I doubt keeping to discuss "policy posts" will do us any good, other than what has already been posted (for instance my commandments, you should read them).
/G
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On January 30 2013 05:02 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
marv, do you agree with what I and CH posted about Crossfire?
I doubt keeping to discuss "policy posts" will do us any good, other than what has already been posted (for instance my commandments, you should read them).
/G
Yeah, I can't add too much more to what's been said about Crossfire, I generally agree. I especially noted how Crossfire called himself a magic noob (like me) but then proceeded to wade in with some strange Magic waffle (unlike me).
I'm also not sure whether iGrok is on menopause, or maybe mafia:
On January 29 2013 10:12 Aperture Science wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 10:10 BinOnFire wrote:On January 29 2013 10:07 Aperture Science wrote:
So, Mind's Aglow looks completely useless. Awesome.
Scumhunting is in Flavor. Magic Discussion is not. It's an investment for turn 3 - the details are on the last page, if you didn't catch them. What else would you be doing this turn, anyways? I'd be scumhunting.I don't want to draw 1/3 of my deck T1. Anyone running Mill is going to have a field day with the rest of us. (I'm not claiming MILLER - haha, get it?)
Given he said this, all he's done is shout at people. This post from Grey rubbed me the wrong way, although I'm not sure how warranted I am to think so:
On January 30 2013 03:47 Aperture Science wrote:
Still in Italy and can't post much. I'm trying to keep up and told iGrok to stop trolling. But that's kinda like telling cave Johnson to stop with the prerecord messages. Thats just how he usually starts.
I will be able to post normally again in about 3 days. It's good to finally play a themed game again.
-Grey
Like, gosh guys, I'm so excited to be playing, except I can't play for another 3 days yet, so definitely keep me around till then guys, right?
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Oh, and I don't make too much of Stutters yet. He kinda seemed interested in the posts that he has made. And
On January 30 2013 00:48 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm up, catching up now.
he does this not-following up shit all the time in any game.
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On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro
I want to make *everybody* stronger. I don't want to put a disproportionate amount of strength in any one specific player. You're distorting my position.
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Well for me it's easy: Let iGrok be. If by the end of D1 he hasn't scumhunted shit then kill him (if apparently Grey will be AFK until D2)
He won't be able to hide behind setup speculation (like he has done until now) or under the pretense that he's defending himself (like his last post).
He promised he'd "be scumhunting" himself, so if he's town he'll surely follow up with that promise in a satisfactory way that'll convince us he's town.
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On January 30 2013 05:00 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:48 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 04:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro Put it this way, Artanis didn't even really know we were hydraing until after the game started, and didn't know our hydra name (nor did I). Great, you're around. Find me some scum. All you've really done is make a really weak pressure post against us for "giving scum a recipe on looking townie" when you are better than that: it was blatantly obvious that going along with something that had gotten a "pro-town plan" stamp of approval could be used to gain town credit. Stating the obvious is not giving scum a recipe, it's stating the obvious. Your pressure was weaksauce and you spent like 5 posts arguing about it. You're better than that. Now stop playing LIX and pay attention here. Who's scum? /Acro well that attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, dear. what did you think of s&b's policy post?
I responded to the bits I found pertinent. Regarding attacking, I said something about it in a previous post where I addressed Xfire's weird aggression at Gonzaw. Attacking is great. Attacking is awesome. But if I have a choice between attacking with a 1/1 and chump blocking your giant eldrazi mofo that is going to fuck me up. I will chump block. Use that shit to attack scum.
Also, willy nilly, everybody attacks whoever they feel like is pathetic and harmful to town (due to mafia creature being able to kill people it otherwise might not).
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On January 30 2013 05:19 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:00 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:48 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On January 30 2013 04:36 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro Put it this way, Artanis didn't even really know we were hydraing until after the game started, and didn't know our hydra name (nor did I). Great, you're around. Find me some scum. All you've really done is make a really weak pressure post against us for "giving scum a recipe on looking townie" when you are better than that: it was blatantly obvious that going along with something that had gotten a "pro-town plan" stamp of approval could be used to gain town credit. Stating the obvious is not giving scum a recipe, it's stating the obvious. Your pressure was weaksauce and you spent like 5 posts arguing about it. You're better than that. Now stop playing LIX and pay attention here. Who's scum? /Acro well that attitude isn't going to get you anywhere, dear. what did you think of s&b's policy post? I responded to the bits I found pertinent. Regarding attacking, I said something about it in a previous post where I addressed Xfire's weird aggression at Gonzaw. Attacking is great. Attacking is awesome. But if I have a choice between attacking with a 1/1 and chump blocking your giant eldrazi mofo that is going to fuck me up. I will chump block. Use that shit to attack scum. Also, willy nilly, everybody attacks whoever they feel like is pathetic and harmful to town (due to mafia creature being able to kill people it otherwise might not).
Whoops. For the filter.
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How about we kill all the hydras that utterly fail at hydraing? >_>
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On January 30 2013 05:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro I want to make *everybody* stronger. I don't want to put a disproportionate amount of strength in any one specific player. You're distorting my position.
Yet you seem opposed to drawing cards. So far Gonzaw has claimed he can get benefits from discarding. We get a benefit from discarding. That's 2 players. Everybody else strengthens their hand. Next turn, there's probably a lot of land coming anybody who plays basic lands in their deck. That strengthens everybody further.
What alternative plan do you have for your mana?
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You also failed to answer the main question there: do you think we're scum? Sure, people's judgement in using 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome might not always be the best, but unless we actually GET some 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome on town side, we're just punching bags for the mafia creature. Minds Aglow seems by far the fastest way to get there.
Now obviously, if you think the 8/8 tramply creature (or in this case shambling herd of zombies) is going to scum, then by all means oppose it. But don't hide in policy crap. Come out and say "look guys, we should not draw millions of cards, because scum will get a shambling herd of zombies".
/Acro
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If Mind Aglow is used today, I'll probably use my 2 mana on it.
Prome says he thinks drawing >20 cards is anti-town and every townie discarding ~10 cards hurts town more than it does mafia or something.
..I can always act behind his back though 
(shhhh! don't tell him >_> <_< )
I have this feeling we can make the game easier if Mind Aglo is played, Voyager is played, CH has all his zombies and we are smart enough to use all our shit on scum.
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Also, if CH is scum and gets his zombies, if we all have those 20 or so lands we can easily fuck him up.
I can just cast 3 Lightning Bolts in succession, or some Reckless Abandon plus other stuff and get him to very low HP. I'm sure other people could do the same, specially since this happens in the Main Phase, before he can use his zombies to kill us.
I don't think he's scum anyways, so that's not that much of a deal.
Him having shitty reads and only killing townies would be a deal though. I trust we can all manage something so that doesn't happen though.
He can always just attack like 5 different people with his 20 zombies and kill them all lol
I think I proposed something like that in the previous game lol
/G
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On January 30 2013 02:15 Aperture Science wrote:Lol, no. I have to fear zombies if A) Zombies are scum, -OR- B) Zombies think i'm scum. And since apparently every think's i'm scum, I have to fear them. I'm not the one going around telling everyone how they should play. I'm explaining various possibilities they need t obe aware of. From how many people asked for help building a deck, its obvious to me that not everyone has extensive mtg experience. Show nested quote +Also, as I said above, townies have statistics on their side and thus less reason to be scared.
This is a ridiculous statement. Town ALWAYS has statistics on their side. Actually, you've made a lot of ridiculous statements this game. Until I get a better idea of who is town, I'm not following anybody's plan. And unlike you, I can scumhunt without posting every thought that enters my head. God you're irritating. I'm going back to work
Nice deflection there.
Regarding A: do you? If not, why you agitating.
Regarding B: you're not doing a very good job of looking like town, so are you particularly surprised that people think you're scum? Maybe step up your play and the shambling herd of zombies won't feel like eating your brains any more.
/Acro
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On January 30 2013 05:31 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
You also failed to answer the main question there: do you think we're scum? Sure, people's judgement in using 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome might not always be the best, but unless we actually GET some 8/8 tramply beasts of awesome on town side, we're just punching bags for the mafia creature. Minds Aglow seems by far the fastest way to get there.
Now obviously, if you think the 8/8 tramply creature (or in this case shambling herd of zombies) is going to scum, then by all means oppose it. But don't hide in policy crap. Come out and say "look guys, we should not draw millions of cards, because scum will get a shambling herd of zombies".
/Acro
i dont have to think you're scum to not want you to get more powerful than anyone else. I just have to think you're likely to come to incorrect conclusions and not listen to me.
I think that if you alone have a shambling herd of zombies, that's not good for town, regardless of whether you are town or not.
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On January 30 2013 05:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 05:16 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:On January 30 2013 04:10 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
@Marv: you said SnB wasn't around, yet he dropped in to play a Savannah (in a slightly trolly way) before you posted your "help me, SnB deserted me" and has now posted a long policy post. Why did you excuse yourself due to SnB's absence, despite SnB clearly not being absent.
@SnB: unless you plan on wiping out everybody else in turn 2 or 3 or so, you will have to rely on your fellow townies. We play as a team. Making every part of that team stronger is good. Now if you're worried about zombies (Nova and iGrok as well), then you should probably start analysing our posts. We have made enough of them and have been rather transparent. Do you think we're scum?
/Acro I want to make *everybody* stronger. I don't want to put a disproportionate amount of strength in any one specific player. You're distorting my position. Yet you seem opposed to drawing cards. So far Gonzaw has claimed he can get benefits from discarding. We get a benefit from discarding. That's 2 players. Everybody else strengthens their hand. Next turn, there's probably a lot of land coming anybody who plays basic lands in their deck. That strengthens everybody further. What alternative plan do you have for your mana?
i'm not opposed to drawing cards, it would just be better for me (and I think for the rest of town) to do it turn2 so we have to discard less. If it really would be better to do it today then let's go, but I'm not convinced that it's the best decision for the town. But I'm kind of reconsidering that if it makes it likely that we could play that "get all your basic lands" card.
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