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Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 17:39 GMT
#1839
Also, this means we kill Suck today instead.

He's more likely to be scum. So we just go kill him.
Easy.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 17:44 GMT
#1840
On February 05 2013 02:39 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 02:37 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Breaking News:

Aperture is more likely to flip town than scum imo.


"Oh no!" you might cry in despair. "But he's playing so bad"
To which I reply "bad =/= scum."

Yes, my brethen, it is true. If he is town, he's played bad as fuck. Like, really bad. Abysmal. Doesn't matter though.


Just think about the situation: You're scum with Cross. Who just outed himself as scum. Who is going to die easily tonight.
"town" has plenty KP left over to kill you, and then some. YOU HAVE BEEN CALLED SCUM ALL GAME. You are aware you played like shit. Nobody wants you alive.

Why do you still bother bussing Cross?
Why would you take damage in the face, just to redirect it to Cross? Your buddy? that means you both die tonight.
After all, everybody is just saying "yeah let's flip aperture" and gonzo goes all "I WANT FLIPS! I DEMAND DEAD BODIES FOR MY GOD ODIN!" all the time.

Would you, as scum, still keep doing damage, taking damage, like it's no big deal?
Maybe. It's not impossible. I'm not saying aperture is confirmed town or anything.

HOWEVER, the far more likely, and simple, solution is this:
Aperture is town.
He knows he's going to die today.
Since he's town, he helps flipping Cross, so that town has more KP in total. Excess KP that town can deal to somebody after his body is already cold.

I anticipate WIFOM arguments to come to counter this.
I anticipate all those arguments to be horseshit.

~dandel


if he didn't bus crossfire, then people like you wouldn't post things like this

Except, he didn't have to do damage. The gonzo said "I have an instant which can do damage to Xfire". iGrok's response was "I drew fork. I can copy that instant". He DIDN'T have to say that. He had NO reason to claim he has fork in his hand.

Would he deliberately out that he can help killing off his scumbuddy and make it easier to kill himself? I don't think so. Dandel has a point and you're just sore that your evil scumplan of killing off a townie is now failing.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 17:57 GMT
#1843
If there is no way it could be uncovered that he didn't help out with killing off the scum, I can see no reason why you'd cooperate in shooting your scumbuddy. If we said "attack him with your 5/5, or you're confirmed scum", then sure. But the situation was:

1. Xfire is going to die, regardless.
2. Aperture is almost certainly going to die, but town might not have enough damage.

Aperture adds to town's damage, further increasing the likelihood that 2 will happen, for no apparent gain. The only gain is that someone like Dandel comes along and says "wait, there was no reason to cast that fork". Ockham's Razor says that that is far more unlikely than that Aperture is town and wanted to contribute in killing scum any way he can, seeing as his deck has failed him spectacularly.

PS. We drew complete crap from the Bazaar. We can do 11 damage this turn.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 18:08 GMT
#1845
Whatever, I don't have to convince YOU, because you're scum. Town Marv would have recognized the strength of this argument ages ago.

Everybody else: Aperture is town. Suck is scum. Act accordingly
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 18:27 GMT
#1849
That is a short summary of my post, essentially.

I would swap "comprehensive" with a more ...accurate choice of words, but generally....

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 18:34 GMT
#1851
Town Marv, in LIX, saw Stutters as town based on Stutters going along with a plan that would kill him. What would scum's reason be to go along with the plan? EXACTLY: to appear townie. Yet, he used Ockham's Razor and read Stutters as town. Correctly. Despite having him as a "possible scum" the whole game so far (until Toad pointed out that the voting was also strange for Stutters).

Town Marv, in LIX, saw Austin as town because he could have taken himself out of the mayoral election, yet didn't. What would scum's reason be to run against his scumbuddy? EXACTLY: to appear townie. Yet, he used Ockham's Razor and read Austin as town. Correctly. Despite Austin being (apparently) on the wrong side of lynches all game long.

Scum Marv is ignoring the same reasoning here[/b] in favour of saying Aperture is scum, because it will lynch a townie and probably prevent scum Marv from dying. Town Marv sees this kind of play and recognizes the townieness in it. Scum Marv doesn't want to admit that point, because he is next on the chopping block and needs more time.

Scum Marv must die for his sins.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 18:39 GMT
#1852
On February 05 2013 03:30 RockHydra wrote:
bleh, I'm stuck at work for a while longer tonight.
getting really paranoid though.. is CH trying to get rid of the people with the strongest decks?
I have no idea how strong everybodies decks are. But AS and suck seem to certainly have the weirdest decks.. probably setting up for monster combo's.
Happened to me last game too, and then it all turned out alright though
anywayz.. crunch time for me now. bbasaic
Maybe AS is scummish, but definately not convinced on suck.

/zebezt

That's because you are a newbie, falling under the entrancing hypnotism of scum Marv. I suggest you read some scum games by Marv. For instance, Hero Mini Mafia, where scum Marv wraps town around his finger. However, scum Marv can be found out, because sometimes he is forced to push a scum agenda, such as now. Learn to recognize when scum Marv is not being a friendly townie and is not scumhunting and also not townhunting and you can catch scum Marv.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 18:53 GMT
#1853
On February 05 2013 03:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
why does this feel like setting up mislynches :x

Dat scumslip!

There is 1 scum left

If that scum is us, why push this lynch away from the easiest fucking mislynch in the world?
If that scum is NOT US, we are clearly not (intentionally) setting up a mislynch.

However, if that scum is scum Marv he would really really like [greenyou to think so[/green]

KILL IT WITH FIRE. OR ZOMBIES. OR BEARS. IN FACT, ALL OF THOSE
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 18:54 GMT
#1854
On February 05 2013 03:12 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
why does this feel like setting up mislynches :x

Dat scumslip!

There is 1 scum left

If that scum is us, why push this lynch away from the easiest fucking mislynch in the world?
If that scum is NOT US, we are clearly not (intentionally) setting up a mislynch.

However, if that scum is scum Marv he would really really like you to think so

KILL IT WITH FIRE. OR ZOMBIES. OR BEARS. IN FACT, ALL OF THOSE

Now without format fail
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 19:25 GMT
#1859
Meh, if nobody wants to keep Aperture alive, we have enough damage to just kill both him and marv.

Tho killing aperture is really overrated and just killing marv is a better way to win.

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 21:40 GMT
#1866
On February 05 2013 06:01 RockHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2013 21:19 Clockwork Hydra wrote:

Second, I agree that Aperture needs to die. ...
Why not advising Xfire doesn't make him town: if I were scum I would advise Xfire to blow shit up at the end of the attack phase (before damage resolution of course). This has 2 advantages: the first is that town might spend extra resources in killing you and the second is that you know exactly how much damage you need to prevent. The disadvantage is that town might blow up your creatures before you can blow shit up, meaning you might need to sac more lands.

/Acro


hmmm
I disagree with this.
You might be right about that it would actually be better to wait, but then why DIDN'T he wait?

/zebezt

Because the reason to wait was pretty much gone when SnB said what the board card could do in the thread.

Also, ignore the Aperture case. Kill SuckMyTopDeck.
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 22:38 GMT
#1873
On February 05 2013 07:23 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I do wonder CH, what made you instantly figure out Suck is the scum and Aperture is town? Or was this heavily discussed between Acro/dandel, and you guys had some feelings about this from before?

/G

We spent a lot of today discussing this. Dandel noticed that scum Appy has no sensible reason to offer to fork DD spells. Given that Appy and Suck were our prime scumspects and Appy just dropped off, that left Suck = scum. Marv's reaction to the "Appy is town" case just convinced us further.

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 22:41 GMT
#1874
On February 05 2013 06:57 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
lol Clock that's hilarious


What was hilarious?
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 23:15 GMT
#1879
We aren't town because we made a case on Xfire. We know he was acting super scummy and several people realized it.

However, if you were to click on our filter and read a few of our posts, you would realize how much nonsense your allegation is. Also, we're not "milking the xfire case". We are trying to kill scum.

PS. If you think "milking the xfire case" is scummy, we present scum Marv:

On February 01 2013 09:32 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 09:28 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways, we can go hunting for the remaining scum

Who here thinks Aperture isn't the remaining scum?

Also, who thinks that CH/me/Rock/Bin could possibly be scum in any way possible (regarding what's happening with Xfire and previous interactions)? Please raise your hand.

/G


Well Nova looks much better now, I'm happy to get off my Burgler tunnel, even if it was the best thing ever. CH obviously looks much better compared to my previous list because of the Crossfire stuff. This obviously leaves a really large line where CH has moved up a lot as well as Nova, and Crossfire moved down.

The first thing I did in this game was agree that Crossfire was scummy and attack Aperture. I'm totes an MTG master.

And he never even made a case on Xfire, just non-committally "agreed" to it. Taking credit for a scum lynch when you didn't do jack shit for it? Hell yeah, sign scum Marv up (this scumtell was brought to you by Dandel Ion, the best Ion).

/Acro
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 23:43 GMT
#1885
How exactly is two days' time "too late" to post?

I mean, sorry for not posting it on day 1? or what you want from us.

Tell me what your actual problem is.

On February 05 2013 08:34 RockHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:11 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Hopeless has been kind of absent lately as well (I think). I'd like his thoughts on this whole thing

What exactly? Not killing AS now? Because that actually sounds completely reasonable, I prefer to WIFOM that dilemma into AS being town. That means I should want stutters and Nova based on my previous reads. I'm reconsidering stutters. He wants me to update my read on him and doesn't want to let me off the hook for what I've said. That feels townie to me.

Based on the interaction between marv and acro, I'd prefer SuckMyTopDeck over AS for today's primary lynch target.

I'm rereading Nova to see if I still want him as my second choice. One of the rare times my hydra-head and I manage to agree. I'm around for 10ish minutes and then headed out to dinner. I'll be catching up properly later tonight.
~Hopeless

Why are you even thinking about that?
>.<
It's not about who you "should" want to lynch.
Are your opinions so weak you have trouble remembering them?

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 04 2013 23:57 GMT
#1889
huh isn't deadline tomorrow?

like, in 23 hours from now?

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 00:28 GMT
#1894
Well good thing we cleared that up.

Now gonzaw, what's your excuse for agreeing with stutters on this?

~dandel
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 00:37 GMT
#1897
On February 05 2013 09:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote:
On February 05 2013 07:03 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Anyways I could probably just sheep you Clock, I don't want to think that much >_>
When I over-think I tend to fuck town's chances of winning (e.g last MTG game, maybe iGrok's mini, etc) <_<

I do have a feeling we will hilariously fail this game....again

/G


Marv feels more likely to be town than aperture, but this case actually has me kind of concerned about CH. They've really been milking their Xf case hard for cred all game despite multiple people saying the same things, just without quotes.

This case also feels incredibly oportunistic. Why wait so late to post this case when we've been discussing a double kill all day.

Additionally the discussion with me about door vs anthem. He tells me to make the play that does less for town when town is going to be dropping kp incredibly fast for no reason other than that the game should be over before DoD really gets rolling despite saying in the same post that we have enough kp tokill them both either way. That doesn't sit well with me. I think an AS Suck kill today might be our best bet and if its still going after to look into taking out clock. If he is scum and we hit 2-1 with all his chumps we'd be completely fucked.


Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 07:58 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Well, I agree with that Stutters.

[...]

/G

noooooooo my first hyrda fail T_T
Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 00:41 GMT
#1899
On February 05 2013 09:41 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Okay.

Clockwork Hydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Uzbekistan442 Posts
February 05 2013 02:00 GMT
#1903
Killing you with a Zombie horde will be "light relief" :3

~dandel
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