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yamato77
11589 Posts
WOW AUSTIN YOU'RE SURE A CONTROVERSIAL POSTER. Why even defend him, then, if you have no read? You just don't want me to have a scum read on Mementoss despite you not agreeing with his conclusion. I mean, it's not like he's in danger of getting lynched or anything, so why make the defense if you don't actually agree with him wholeheartedly? You basically restated what he said and took zero stance on anything, Way to post without actually posting. Bravo, Austin, bravo. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 13 2012 12:17 yamato77 wrote: So you agree with Mementoss that my posts were hypocritical, but don't think it makes me scum, but yet don't think him calling me scum makes him town/scum? WOW AUSTIN YOU'RE SURE A CONTROVERSIAL POSTER. Why even defend him, then, if you have no read? You just don't want me to have a scum read on Mementoss despite you not agreeing with his conclusion. I mean, it's not like he's in danger of getting lynched or anything, so why make the defense if you don't actually agree with him wholeheartedly? You basically restated what he said and took zero stance on anything, Way to post without actually posting. Bravo, Austin, bravo. Your posts were hypocritical. Making hypocritical posts doesn't actually mean you're scum. And no, him calling you scum doesn't make him town or scum. Dear yamato, EVERYONE IN THE GAME is going to call someone town or scum. It's going to happen. Mementoss called you scum. That doesn't make him scum. If he calls NOBODY scum throughout the game, that's dumb and means that he...never lynches and never has a scumread. So no, him calling you scum says absolutely NOTHING about his alignment. I dislike what I perceive as bad logic. You felt mementoss was mischaracterizing your posts, and called him scum because of that. I'm defending him because I felt the exact same way as he did, and I think you're actually the one misrepresenting posts. I don't care if he's in danger of getting lynched or not. I care that you disagree with his thoughts on your post, and call him scum because of that, yet I agree with him. There's a big difference between just restating what he said/posting without posting and what I did. I'm actively telling you that you are wrong about how your post reads, and wrong about your reason for calling him scummy. I'm addressing your follow-up to his post. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 13 2012 12:17 yamato77 wrote: Just to make this clear. No.So you . . . don't think him calling me scum makes him town/scum? This is a silly question. Calling you scum for being hypcritical has no bearing on his alignment at all. Some people find hypocrisy to always be scummy. They would be right to call you out for being hypocritical, whether they are scum or town. If they're town, they are scumhunting. If they're scum, it's an easy way to fake scumhunting, because it's a legit thing to call someone out on. If you think him calling you scum has any bearing on his alignment, then you need to explain why scumhunting or giving the appearance of scumhunting is exclusively a town or mafia trait. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On December 13 2012 06:48 Mementoss wrote: Why are you so scared to call people scummy, pretty much every thing in your last 3 posts has been calling people out for not acting townie. Or why would town do such a thing! Now your asking for a role claim o_0 The town motivation is to help his role get stronger obviously. Where is the town motivation in looking for a role claim so early? The way you are approaching people is so careful its not even funny, trying to point out things to make others look scummy and bad, proposing to let people that lurk be inable to be lynched? I look forward to lynching you tomorrow scum. That is his response to me asking for a roleclaim on Hassy after Hassy specifically mentions his role as the reason for him being swapped. He twists my one-liner into meaning that I'm calling Hassy scum when I'm really just asking for an explanation on why we would want to swap a townie before lynch day, which makes zero sense to me otherwise. Then he attacks my plan like I'm allowing scum to be swapped indefinitely, something I specifically posted in response to earlier in the thread. He turns my actions, which had clear town motivation already explained, into something completely different. This is not how I perceive town play. This is how I perceive scum play. And he attacks me for not calling people scummy. So fine, I'll call his dumb ass scummy for taking my posts out of context and making me look bad INTENTIONALLY. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
You defending him in this situation looks really stupid. If you give him a free pass for calling me scum on a false basis, then why are you so intent on defending him when I call him scum for being an idiot? Makes no sense. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I should have just ignored Mementoss. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 13 2012 12:43 yamato77 wrote: Now if you think that's just "scum hunting" by a town player, then I disgaree. If a town player makes obviously ignorant posts about someone else just to provoke a response and calls it scum hunting, I'm going to call him an idiot. If a scum player did an equally stupid thing and tried to pass it off as an attempt at scum hunting, I would call him an idiot. You defending him in this situation looks really stupid. If you give him a free pass for calling me scum on a false basis, then why are you so intent on defending him when I call him scum for being an idiot? Makes no sense. (1) You say his posts were obviously ignorant. I disagree. I don't know how anyone else feels on this lovely subject, but at least at the moment you need to be aware that nobody else has found his posts obviously ignorant. (2) In the above example, you're going to call either a town or scum player "an idiot." But you don't just call him an idiot, you say: On December 13 2012 10:26 yamato77 wrote: I don't see any reason not to say that I find mementoss pretty scummy at this point. His intentionally malicious twisting of my constructive posts on two different occasions is highly suspect. Then I refute his idiocy and he fails to respond. Unless he was making a ridiculously stupid town play it only reads as scum throwing suspicion on a player for zero good reason. (a) he's "pretty scummy" (b) he's "intentionally malicious[ly] twisting [your] constructive posts" (c) that he threw suspicion on a player for zero good reason Entirely different from calling him an idiot, you have implied that he's scum and then you have based that scumread on two points that I entirely disagree with. I'm "so intent on defending him" for reasons I think I've made clear. I disagree ENTIRELY that he twisted your posts, maliciously or not. I disagree that he had zero good reason to be suspicious of your post, assuming he finds hypocrisy to be scummy. If I disagree with the entirety of your reasoning behind him being scum, I'm going to defend him/refute your case. You seem to think that it's odd I would do that--attack a case that I think has no merit and is wrong. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On December 13 2012 12:46 yamato77 wrote: Looking back, this was a gigantic waste of time. I should have just ignored Mementoss. Gives everyone else something to look through. Gives mementoss, in particular, something to comment on. If you still think he's scum then, and have legitimate reasons for doing so, then you can try to lynch him to your heart's content next cycle. Also, at least for me, hopefully helps me read you better. You being so contentious and seeing things in black and white here might influence how I read future posts of yours. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Whatever, I need to stop getting mad when I play this game. It makes me play worse. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Anyone that has read my past games would know I'm easy to get off track by calling me scum early. | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
In all seriousness, when the lynch day comes we need to have the majority continue/start to contribute, what i conclude now is that yamato77 and austinmcc arent both scum because who would have a full page argument if you knew you were on the same team ((probably obvious -_-)) Gotta get the lurker status off though for people. As of now, just reading the posts on other thread. | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
Hoping i didn't just jump the gun on that, well basically this is what it does: After several turns it will reveal a person who was swaped, so we can find out about 1 person... it takes a few turns to charge, decided i might as well get it started. Basically i'm forever stuck in this world, potentially we can tag a scum if we quess a "swap" reveal correct. The downside is that we would have to swap a scum, meh when the time comes i guess we can talk about who i choose to find out. Hit me with the massive amount of question if what i said made you re-read that post like 3 times as i did when geting this role. | ||
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
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Clarity_nl
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Darkfirex5
United States67 Posts
First we play the waiting game for this to charge. but here ill list the ability: 1. We wait 2. okay we talk and we chose a person basically at random to check what they are up to 3. The SINGLE person gets checked 4. We find out what the role they had 5a. Get scum profit 5b. Get other... well... meh Side thoughts: Well hopefully this will work out... probably just the oh hey he detective kill kill, well, the real detective good luck i bought you some more time. My role doesnt really add up in the sense im still confused why it is so obscure. Granted lets get talking people because i initiated some ((hopefully positive)) event to look forward to. | ||
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Clarity_nl
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