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Dienosore
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December 11 2012 14:25 GMT
#60
/in plz ^^
Dienosore
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December 11 2012 15:13 GMT
#63
sure, iGrok. I'll take it.
Dienosore
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December 11 2012 16:16 GMT
#68
aww shucks

This game filled up super fast lol. I woke up at 9am and you already had most of the slots spoken fer.

owell. Goodluck players.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 11 2012 16:34 GMT
#71
My heart cannot handle this flip-floppery.
Dienosore
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December 11 2012 16:52 GMT
#74
Actually I was thinking about an elaborate 3d model with cardboard/styrofoam/string.

we'll see how much free time I have though. Might just have to do it low-tec with each world on a separate piece of paper.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 11 2012 23:45 GMT
#95
Whats up fellow denizens of Chaos Relm.
Dienosore
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December 12 2012 02:50 GMT
#137
On December 12 2012 09:13 Foolishness wrote:
Okay so we choose someone to lynch here today. If you are in the world where you're not lynching (and voting to swap) you should be voting to swap a person who you think is innocent. Swap powers should be used to get innocent people into the swap world, and mafia into the lynch world.

Presumably we can only vote for people in our world?


---- but then

On December 12 2012 10:33 Foolishness wrote:
I have plenty of reason. You haven't done anything, you're spamming the thread. And I'm not going to sit here while people derp around with swapping when there's mafia to kill.


Why the flip-floppery Foolish? I told you already my heart couldn't handle any more of it

Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 12 2012 02:51 GMT
#138
##Vote: Foolishness
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 12 2012 09:32 GMT
#166
Clarity, I want to hear more about why you are in both worlds.

Do you have anything to say for yourself?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 12 2012 09:33 GMT
#167
Are Sandrobas 3rd party accusations correct?
Dienosore
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December 12 2012 16:08 GMT
#183
On December 13 2012 01:04 Crossfire99 wrote:
Marv and Palmar, do you really think Foolish is scum because of his vote on marv? Idk anything about foolish except that he is on the balance team, which I assume means he must be pretty good. Even if he did this bad vote as scum previously, do you think he would do it again? Personally, I don't feel comfortable voting for him just based on that.


How do you feel about my evidence which shows him speculating about swaps, then minutes later telling everyone not to do exactly that?

Also, why would he cast the first stone at marv for absolutely no reason?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 12 2012 16:30 GMT
#188
So you're saying he isn't scum, then?

Just trying to clarify so I know what sort of squiggle to use for you two on my map.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 12 2012 16:31 GMT
#189
that was @cross
Dienosore
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December 12 2012 16:42 GMT
#192
They aren't talking about anything terribly exciting over there anyway, sloosh. "Oh we should swap town!" "No, we should swap scum!" blah blah blah.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 12 2012 21:18 GMT
#197
There is a difference between generating a constructive discussion that has been motivated by good intentions and mindlessly flinging giant piles of horse shit at random people just to see what will happen.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 01:09 GMT
#239
Alright, I feel like it's the right time to drop my usual dish of information. True to form, I made a map for each world. Whenever someone referred to a person not in their world, I simply colored that person's bubble blue. Voila, multiworld problem solved

Maps

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Things of note

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- Clarity: Mysteriously in both worlds. Claims town, and also says he cannot be swapped.
- Hassybaby: Roleclaimed Lucy Heartfilla. Is a VT in iSL, but has many powers in CoG. Wants to be swapped d1.
- Kenpachi: Claims town.
- Darkfirex5 did not show up in his iSL world map, but had a strange cameo in CoG's.


My view on swaps

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We should swap whoever it benefits the most. People who are scared about creating a situation where we would potentially be lynching into only townies are forgetting the fact that we can engineer the vote so there is a no-lynch that day. There also has been talks about perpetually swapping someone so they cannot be lynched, but this also doesn't quite make sense. If that person is a towny, then they probably aren't going to be lynched anyway and therefore don't need to keep dodging the noose.

Just take it day by day for now until we have a concrete reason to start organizing our swaps.


K that's it for now. I'll be hovering around for a while, so if you have any questions or comments, let me have em.

Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 02:38 GMT
#249
Why are you suddenly talking?

Where have you been sloosh?
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 02:39 GMT
#250
Also a big T_T shoutout to iGROk
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 02:53 GMT
#251
Sry sloosh, that came of pretty negatively. Just curious to know more about you is all. So far, the only thing my maps tell me about you is that are reading the other thread more than this one.

What is your stance on the lynch here in CoG? Gonna sheep on Fool or will you find scum elsewhere?
What is your stance on the swap over in iSL? Should they swap a towny or a scumball?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 03:37 GMT
#255
On December 13 2012 12:19 slOosh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2012 11:50 Dienosore wrote:
On December 12 2012 09:13 Foolishness wrote:
Okay so we choose someone to lynch here today. If you are in the world where you're not lynching (and voting to swap) you should be voting to swap a person who you think is innocent. Swap powers should be used to get innocent people into the swap world, and mafia into the lynch world.

Presumably we can only vote for people in our world?


---- but then

On December 12 2012 10:33 Foolishness wrote:
I have plenty of reason. You haven't done anything, you're spamming the thread. And I'm not going to sit here while people derp around with swapping when there's mafia to kill.


Why the flip-floppery Foolish? I told you already my heart couldn't handle any more of it


Are you still voting him for this?


That is one of the reasons, yes. I've also factored in Marv's meta read on him and how Fool handled it. Also, he hasn't really denied being scum, just sort of has been deflecting the issue by arguing with folks.

Also, my maps show that Fool has absolutely no support from anyone on either world. In fact, he even has some negative vibes from Sandro and Yomato, both of whom I consider to be playing fairly towny at this point.


Now that I've tilted my hand, it's your turn to explain your reason for voting for him.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 18:14 GMT
#312
On December 13 2012 23:51 austinmcc wrote:
Dienosore, thoughts on clarity's swap? Read on Keirathi? Do you still find yamato townie?


I think Clarity is a total poop head for trying something like this hours before our vote. My heart's first instinct is to start a bandwagon to lynch Clarity, but my brain supposes he didn't actually know this was going to happen. I hope the people in iSL finish the job for us on their lynch day. Clarity, please no more random swaps.

My maps show me Keirathi has no support from anyone in this world, but not in the same way as Fool;He has no incomming lines AT ALL, which says to me that he's done a good job staying out of the spotlight. In iSL, he has one positive connection with Sandroba, who thinks he is town. He's been actively reading both threads. Blah blah blah. The only extraordinary point of interest so far is that Keir's main scum target was Kenpachi, not Fool. Not sure what that means, but I do find it intriguing that he would pick on someone who hasn't really done much this game.

The reason I find Yamato as town is because my maps indicate he has been fiercely interacting with something like 60% of the game's population. I just don't see a scumball creating such a large profile so early in the game, specially on a relatively non-threatening swap day. I guess you could argue that scum would use this time of peace to stir up as much trouble as possible, but my gut tells me he is just a deranged towny. I know you guys had a tense interaction in the other world, so please, I'd like to hear more of your thoughts about him too.

Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 19:06 GMT
#322
@keirathi: I designed the system in Chrono Trigger, and perfected it over 5-6 days while I was still alive. There is no problem with my maps. They merely show relationships, not if someone is town/scum. Regardless of whether or not what you said was in jest, your message still gets put out there for everyone to read. It influences their opinion EVEN IF YOU ARE JOKING. This sort of interaction will get put on my map every single time, and yes I will use it against you in a scumhunt.

@Blazinghand: "Any time a wagon gains momentum this quickly with no response it's on a townie." is just not true. Have you considered that the wagon was formed so fast that a mafia scumbuddy didn't have time to come to his defense before people were already jumping on? If someone hard defended Fool in this situation, it would have come off to me as incredibly scummy, especially since we were about to see his flip. If Fool had flipped mafia, then his scumbuddy who tried to defend him would have been immediately under the scope. Now that he isn't under direct threat, though, it is interesting to me to see who is coming to his defense...
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 19:16 GMT
#324
Planning for the future, maybe? iSL lynches someone tomorrow, and right now I'd assume Fool is the #1 target. If scum wanted to change the populations opinion on Fool so he is no longer on the block, what better time to do it than asap right now.

This isnt hard to understand. Are you intentionally being dense Sloosh?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 19:26 GMT
#325
And what is all this nonsense about picking a phrase None of Palmar, slOosh or Crossfire99 are anti-town or whatever? Do you really think mafia are going to be tricked into accidentally incriminating themselves by picking the wrong answer? It's a divergent waste of time that instead could be used to actually find scum.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 19:38 GMT
#327
K so let me see if I have this right. Austin's power involves making other people ask questions, and then he get an answer that only he can read via pm. SOUNDS SKETCHY TO ME. It's hard for me to blindly trust someone like this. What's to stop him from lying about the results if he is scum?

Im paying attention to both worlds. I have two tabs open and I'm monitoring both at the same time.

I don't have any scum reads atm. I am curious, though, as to why you were so quick to swap your vote onto Crossfire with little explanation.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 19:39 GMT
#329
I'm starting to get hyped up lol. Gonna smoke a J and collect my thoughts. I'll be back later.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 21:11 GMT
#353
I agree with Sandroba that we should be focusing on Marv/Kenpachi. Neither have been particularly active, although Marv at least has made a little effort. It also seems Marv has positive support from a few people, while Kenpachi has only that 'joke' scum read from Keirathi.

Unless you guys convince me otherwise, I'll be voting for:

##Vote (Grey): Kenpachi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 21:13 GMT
#354
EBWOP:

##Unvote (Grey): Foolishness
##Vote (Grey): Kenpachi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 21:20 GMT
#357
What do I need to do to whip you guys into shape?

Do you want more pictures?

More cute dinosaurs?

More squiggles?

Just let me know and I will deliver!
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 21:31 GMT
#363
I've already explained my reasons, austin. If it feels like there isn't much substance there, it's because there isn't. Clarity fucked us over and now we have little time and little evidence to try and piece something together. I'm doing the best I can with what limited resources I have. Stop tunneling me and maybe put forth some of your opinions on who we should lynch.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 21:41 GMT
#370
@Blazinghand: Why do you hate me so much?

We literally have a world full of afkers, with one or two people stirring the same boring pot over and over again. There is no evidence to go on other than Austins objection. That still leaves 5-6 people with nothing super incriminating in their filter. The only logical step I see is to start taking potshots at the scummiest looking lurkers. If I'm wrong, then I've at least goaded people into talking. If I'm right, then hurray scumball down.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 21:59 GMT
#381
Austin, you think Sandroba is just "some guy" ? Lol. I think he is town because of his play thus far. He was scum last game, and I do not think he is playing at all similarly to how he did then.

Here is YOUR OWN list, slightly revised of course. I took out myself because I am not scum, and clarity because he is too strange:
randombum
marvellosity
kenpachi

Randombum at least made an effort earlier on.

I kinda think Marv could be scum, but I don't like a vote on him tonight because if he is town then he will be pretty valuable later on.

Kenpachi is the scummiest looking to me because he has done nothing all game.

Hence, my vote stands on Kenpachi. Are you happy now?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 22:00 GMT
#382
Also, I hope someone can present a case that is stronger than what I have now. I feel bad for voting for Kenpachi on so little evidence.
Dienosore
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 22:07 GMT
#389
It's less that I think kenpachi is totes scum and more that there aren't many other good options out there right now. I'll be glad to change my vote to randombum if kenpachi starts becoming useful really fast.

That is what you are trying to get me to do, right? Change my vote?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 22:44 GMT
#428
haha, I like it marv.

##Unvote (Grey): Kenpachi
##Vote (Grey): autinmcc
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 22:51 GMT
#433
This is the cute dinosaur breathing fire on you.
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 23:00 GMT
#439
1 more hour
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 23:17 GMT
#447
We lost our top read and the town was floundering. This sounds like the perfect time for a scumball to step in and start to influence people's opinions without looking too suspicious. What better way than create some vague detective check that no one can really confirm. It also creates the opportunity to give town cred to some names of his choosing.

I didn't feel comfortable voting for Kenpachi anyway. Even less once you guys mentioned he has a history of lurking. On the chance that I'm wrong about Austin and he does flip town, then we have three pretty much confirmed townies. If we are right and Austin is scum, then hurray scumball in a great position of power is down.
Dienosore
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 23:43 GMT
#469
I assume it was in retaliation to me voting for him. (I was the first to do so, btw)
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 23:46 GMT
#473
in the spirit of actually lynching someone, I change my vote again back to ken (Sorry Greymist&co for being so difficult. This hasnt been an easy day after clarity's debacle)

##Unvote (Grey): austinmcc
##Vote (Grey): Kenpachi
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 13 2012 23:50 GMT
#477
Oh there are many doodles, you can be assured of that.
Dienosore
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December 13 2012 23:54 GMT
#484
Aye, slOosh has the rub

I'm not scum, keirathi, lol. Ask me anything and I'll give it to ya straight.
Dienosore
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 00:02 GMT
#490
I have given reads out, I have backed up my claims. The fact that you guys are ignoring them completely and keep saying that "I have no scumreads" is kind of surprising.

Unfortunately it is only day 1 and most of you have been afk all day. There is isn't a whole lot to go off of, so I'm doing the best I can. I'm not a particularly strong Mafia player, seeing as this is my second game, so please don't read too hard into my methods. I apologize for coming off as a bit crazy. I recognize Marv and Sandro to be strong players due to being in Chrono Trigger with them. Is it so surprising that I am looking to them for insight? I'm trying my best not to suck.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 00:09 GMT
#493
Should have stuck with austin T_T we would have actually gotten some info that way
Dienosore
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 00:14 GMT
#495
Also, does this mean Clarity is getting replaced because he didn't vote?
Dienosore
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December 14 2012 16:45 GMT
#525
We really didn't have any good candidates for our lynch, that's why it was so tough. It was more like pick the least worst option.

We should start the discussion on who we want swap, and maybe this time have a backup just in case Clarity decides he wants to play interdimensional puppet master again. Any volunteers?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 17:05 GMT
#530
I don't know what Clarity is, Sloosh. Omnipresence in both worlds, ability to hard swap people. It seems he has great power. Too much for a towny. However, I do believe he had no idea Fool was going to get swapped too, which would mean his play looks to be overall town-driven. His curious disappearance during our time of strife was explained by an "internet outage", which could either just be an honest mistake (most likely) or a scum motivated tactic to cause more chaos (less likely).

Regardless, he is definitely a power role of some sort in this game, and should step up and embrace it.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 18:54 GMT
#532
Well since Clarity is in both worlds, it immediately puts him in an odd spot. My first knee-jerk reaction is to say KILL THE WEIRDO! I'd assume, then, that he has some sort of protection, because I doubt I'm the only one who has had this thought. Since I'm assuming he probably can't straight up die to KP, maybe a lynch would do it. If this is the case, then he needs to step up to the plate and prove his worth to the town by taking the lead in our discussions.

To Clarity's credit, his discussion so far and his reasoning for his swap seem to be pro-town. His regret towards accidentally shipping our #1 scumread and only real candidate for lynch to the other side seems genuine. I just wish he would use his omnipresent position to play a more active role in the game.

As for our swap, I do not know. That is why I asked for volunteers. Perhaps there is someone on our side like Hassy who will benefit from being on the other world. Do you have any ideas, Sloosh?
Dienosore
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 20:42 GMT
#539
Sloosh, I feel I've already made my position clear, but I'll answer you one last time just to be sure. We should allow people more time to step up and volunteer for the swap. If no one comes forward and volunteers, we can just do what we did again for the lynch because it wont matter anyway. I suggest we at least try and land on a towny to balance the town/mafia ratio in iSL.

Plus, if people start to volunteer, it will give us something to talk about and maybe keep this thread from turning into a ghost-town.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 20:46 GMT
#540
I wonder what would happen if we voted to swap clarity! It might overload the system and create some sort of stargate that links us to other worlds. Perhaps a hidden mafia running parallel to our parallels on a different dimension (aka another forum)?
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 21:50 GMT
#562
Using it to check austin sounds good to me. If you just randomly copy someone, it will probably be hard to distinguish alignment based on whatever crazy role pops up. If things check out on clarity, we will know more about everyone involved. Additionally, you will have your ability to use for even more info, maybe some similar check over on the other world where I suspect more scum live right now.
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#564
ebwop check out on austin*
Dienosore
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December 15 2012 01:26 GMT
#602
wtf just happened
Dienosore
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
December 31 2012 20:24 GMT
#1159
Congrats town!

TY for the host, grey and igrok

yay im still undefeated!

just, next time plz dont mislynch me
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