EPTNothing about Orange's votes for FC screams "not scumbuddies" to me.
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Nothing about Orange's votes for FC screams "not scumbuddies" to me. | ||
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On December 28 2012 07:10 Aquanim wrote: If scumteam is Kick/Orange/FC, say, they don't really have a choice - one of them's going down today. EBWOP: And the time taken realising that might be why we heard nothing of worth from any of them for the first 36 hours of the day. | ||
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On December 28 2012 07:22 cDgCorazon wrote: But if the scum team is so, why would they be trying to bus each other? Orange is voting for FC, and FC is voting for kick. It wouldn't make sense for them to all bus each other at the same time. They would be trying to bus one single person. If Kick just isn't here at all, the only one they could both bus would be Kick - and that might be a little too obvious. On December 28 2012 07:25 Chromatically wrote: That's a good point. I think it's less likely though, given that Orange has voted FC before. Also, I think that Kickstart would have been a better bus candidate, given that he has 0 influence with the town. In fact, I think that this, along with his other scummy posting, is enough to warrant a shz lynch today: ##Unvote ##Vote: shz Could you explain Shz scum to me? I mean, the refusal to make cases isn't great, but when I read his filter I read an thought process looking for answers. Which is not the feeling I get when I read posts made by Orange, FC or Kick. | ||
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On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote: In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior. Voteswitch time, everyone. What? Which thing you posted? Switch to who now? | ||
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On December 28 2012 08:42 Chromatically wrote: shz had no scumreads all of d2 and had no original scumreads all of d1. How is this town play? Everyone who's not switching to shz needs to answer this. Well... it's slightly more town than parking your vote on someone with no explanation who flips town, and then leaving without trying to learn anything or generate any new information. Which is what FC and Orange did, I believe. Same for Kick, with the exception that his vote was for Shz (who hasn't flipped). | ||
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His timing (at the last minute, when there's the hint of a swing towards someone he could plausibly vote) is just too damn convenient for me. I'm willing to risk the game on my town read of Shz. | ||
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@Chromatic Why the hell didn't you raise your suspicions of Shz, like, 12 hours ago? | ||
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On December 28 2012 08:55 Orangeremi wrote: Since that train seems to be going somewhere and scum seems fine with us voting Kick. ##Vote: shz Chrom, if shz turns town I'm looking at you. Hopping off of FC wagon when it seemed to gain momentum was something I was looking for. And my next scumread switches to the only plausible mislynch, while setting up an even worse mislynch tomorrow. Predictable. | ||
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GUYS THIS IS TOO OBVIOUS | ||
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Everything I thought I knew about the game of mafia would be a lie if Kick flipped town after that. | ||
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I was panicking and posting the first thing that came to mind to stop anyone else switching to Shz  | ||
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If you were confident enough to last-minute switch (without giving anyone time to think about it) why didn't you push for his lynch earlier? Why did you think Shz was scummier than Kick? Look, trying to push a lynch away from scum at the last minute is just up-and-up scummy. Explain your reasoning. In detail. | ||
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On December 28 2012 09:28 Orangeremi wrote: I wasn't convinced Shz was scum. My reasoning is based on Kick not being scum. His lynch was clear and nobody tried to intervene and take votes off of him. Why not? If he was scum, his scumbuddies would be trying to vote someone else. But that wasn't happening. Since it wasn't happening, I was convinced he was town. Which begs the question, why wasn't it happening? Chrom switched just as I did, I'd want to know why he didn't push it earlier either. I wanted to push for whichever vote had the better chance of winning that wasn't Kick, since I was under the impression that Kick wasn't scum. You were voting for FatChunk, not Shz. Why didn't you push the FatChunk wagon harder earlier if that was your concern? For that matter what do you think of FatChunk's play now? | ||
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On December 28 2012 09:45 Sylencia wrote: Having a framer in play suggests there's a Cop in play, right? Not necessarily. Hosts like to troll like that. The reason is basically because if that was true scum would automatically know there was a cop if they had a framer. | ||
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On December 28 2012 09:49 Aquanim wrote: Not necessarily. Hosts like to troll like that. The reason is basically because if that was true scum would automatically know there was a cop if they had a framer. EBWOP: Scum framer and (presumably) roleblocker against town JK and (presumably) roleblocker sounds kinda balanced. Scum has two PRs, which seems powerful, but framer is completely useless and roleblocker is of limited utility without a cop or doctor to counter. I don't mind discussing it a little, but I don't think setup speculation is particularly useful right now. | ||
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On December 28 2012 09:48 Orangeremi wrote: I wasn't trying to get anyone in specific lynched because all that was in my head at the time was "Kick is not scum" and my intention with voting for FC was an attempt to view player's reactions (voting wise). I wasn't trying to push the FC wagon, but I was trying to push people to vote for someone also in attempt to get a read off of how they decided to do it. If FC was scum, it seems kind of stupid to take his vote from Kick and put it on a player he knew would flip town (are we convinced shz would flip town?) seeing as it would gain suspicion. If he was scum, I don't know why his vote was on Kick in the first place. Not having a clear idea of who you want lynched other than "not Kick" doesn't really look good for you at this point, I have to say. Who do you think we should lynch tomorrow? Give some thorough reasoning this time. | ||
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On December 28 2012 12:38 cakepie wrote: @Aquanim: Your thoughts on the hypothesis that "FC/Orange scumteam too easy" Well, if they'd succeeded in pushing a mislynch on Shz (assuming FC/Orange scumteam) then we'd be in a bad way - 3 scum, LYLO, and we'd have to pick the scum from Kick, FC, Orange, Chromatic, and whoever else jumped on to put Shz over the edge. I've believed since the end of night two that FC/Orange were very likely scum and nothing they've done changes that. There's no point in chasing unlikely hypotheses until the obvious one has been eliminated. It's not like we're dealing with Marv or Ace-quality scum in a newbie, after all. | ||
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