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Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII
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/replacement Don't be in a hurry to throw out whoever hasn't replied yet, though. | ||
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<tips hat to Kick and Chromatic> | ||
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Hi All. From other games, it seems the best 3 questions to ask are: 1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch? 2) How do you think scum would try to infiltrate us? 3) [Being from Australia] Do you like prawns/shrimp on the "barbie" 1) We should lynch the most likely to be scum player day 1. Scum is there to be found day 1. That being said, building a wagon on a lurker/unsatisfactory poster and watching their reactions (and everyone else's) is an entirely acceptable way to find the scummiest player. 2) Scum try to post like they think they would if they were town. A pretty useless answer to a pretty useless question. 3) Not really. Speaking of policies what is your take on lynch all liars? Consider on a case by case basis. Most cases will probably be a lynch because townies shouldn't lie. @Everyone How many games have you played? Just the one, Newbie Mini Mafia XXXI as regular old vanilla town. Town win, but the quality of my contribution is a little hard to measure. It is my belief that any millers should claim now. A claimed miller is NOT automatically town in any way, but it may save us some grief later. For starters, with this policy anyone who claims miller after day 1 should eat rope (making checks a little more useful). | ||
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A big thing which has jumped out at me so far is cakepie's first post. Everyone else replied to those questions pretty briefly, cakepie dumped a wall of text. Seems to me like a pretty good excuse for "content" while not committing to anything related to this game. Your thoughts? | ||
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On December 19 2012 17:34 Mocsta wrote: @All Activity has dropped off a bit. Perhaps this time of day is bad for all timezones. Either way, FatChunk made me think a bit more about Day 1 proceedings. I am stuck in the middle. There have been a few contributions, but ultimately, there is still too much inactivity. Does anyone in their experience with this game have suggestions on how to stimulate discussions Day 1? I'm not stuck in the middle. This has been largely useless so far. As for the way discussion starts... someone throws down a vote. ##Vote: cDgCorazon His posts have been particularly useless so far. Hasn't really responded to anything unless directly asked. | ||
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We'll be making progress when we have two competing wagons, I think. | ||
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On December 19 2012 18:55 shz wrote: But we can change votes, right? So this should not be that big of deal. Quite right. We're not even a quarter of the way through day one, we're not locking in a lynch just yet. For that reason no-one should be afraid to vote their scumreads at this point (or even just players they think need to post better). Don't like to vote for Mocsta or Corazon? Vote for someone else. We need something to discuss, and votes are it. If you think either of the current targets are plausible scum, vote them (with some justification). If not, just vote for whoever you like. Get some activity going! At this point you're not going to be really hurting town by putting a vote on another townie... it only hurts if we lynch one. | ||
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On December 19 2012 20:01 Mocsta wrote: ... For all of the lurker discussions going to and fro. I think its disconcerting to throw accusations without either evidence, or bringing any new thought process to the table. Which accusations are you referring to here? | ||
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On December 19 2012 21:08 cakepie wrote: @Spaghetticus: this is my first game. If my count is right, this is the first time for 7 of us, and 4 others have just one game under their belt (not counting threesr who has played elsewhere before). Quite the newbie game! I think your count's a little off: afaik Kickstart has three games, Sylencia, Chromatic, Spaghetticus and myself have one each. | ||
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@Corazon: You can't deny that our discussion has become a lot more worthwhile in terms of looking for scum (as opposed to discussing policy) since I voted you, which was my intention. As for why I voted you as opposed to a "lurker", I don't believe there are any lurkers until 24 hours have passed (to give everyone in every time zone an opportunity). You had had a significant amount of time to post (and had made a fair few posts, too), and none of them were constructive at all. In my eyes, that's just as bad as a lurker, if not worse. My vote will stick for the moment, but if you continue to post constructively I imagine I'll take it off after work. Town benefits from day one discussion, and the only way to generate that really is with a day one lynch. Besides, scum is catchable day one. especially @ Aquanim, Chromatically, Kickstart, Spaghetticus, shz Q: what do you think of mocsta’s flurry of posts and vote switch? Is he merely overly excited, or could there be merit in the accusation that his incessant questions were noise without substance? I am distinctly unimpressed with mocsta's posting so far, but not certain it makes him scum. I'll reread him again when I get home. | ||
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As for the scumreads going around, I have some comments. Personally, I believe there are two very different kinds of tells: a player can do something which is not hard for scum to do or they can do something which is just scummy. Some examples: Things which are not hard for scum to do: - Talking about policy - Defending other players - Rambling about Mafia theory - Jumping on scumslips - Posting rationally (about things that aren't scumhunting) - Jumping on a wagon etc. Things which are scummy: - Not voting for their best scumread when lynch is imminent. - Derailing fruitful discussion. And, for comparison: Things which are generally hard for scum to do: - Scumhunt. This is NOT the same thing as "put down a vote with some justification". - Convincingly converse with their scumbuddies. As you can see, the first list has a lot more stuff in it. Everyone does some things that are in the first list, but when they're ONLY doing those that's a problem. The point is, I'd encourage everyone to look at their scumreads and think "are they scummy, or just doing things which are easy for scum to fake"? Similarly, look at your townreads and think "are they scumhunting"? Putting down votes isn't necessarily scumhunting BTW. If they're not scumhunting, they're not particularly town, I don't care how much they've written or how smart/cautious/nice they are. Oh, and talk to your coaches about scumreads instead of listening to the opinions of some newb. | ||
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On December 20 2012 09:32 Chromatically wrote: I'd like everyone's thoughts on these people that I'm suspicious of. (Second try, computer shut off during the first one) You make good points. I hadn't picked up that they both are fine with lynching a town threesr (saying that about someone who endorses lurking is awfully tempting, though). I'm very uncomfortable with Kickstart's lack of activity in particular, he's not a habitual lurker in my experience (as town or scum). As he's the most experienced player here by a fair margin I'd really like to see some opinions from him. | ||
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- Apathy about who gets lynched. | ||
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On December 20 2012 18:14 Mocsta wrote: Im on bus..spag post is amazing. Great point about lack of effort to change vote. Enough time to not bus mafia. What is your take on threesr then. He has been defended by the lurker kickstart...this aligns heavily with the reasoning used in your case to hunt mafia. You only answered half of the question. You've switched to Corazon, fair enough, but what do you think of Shz now? Not sure whether you're asking me about my read on Threesr or Kick... the sentence seems to start talking about threesr and end with kick. I really wouldn't try to associate anyone day one. Threesr isn't a scum read for me at the moment, but he's done nothing to make me think he's town. I'd like to see him do some pressure and analysis. Pressure, analysis and contribution does not have to be long, not wanting to post long things is not an excuse. I'm very much expecting more from Kick, he didn't lurk at all in the game I played with him (and he was scum to boot). That being said, I called him as scum day one then (not that he got even nearly lynched, but still) - maybe he's not posting to not give anything away. If he hasn't contributed by the end of the day I'll be looking at him seriously. | ||
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