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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:52 GMT
#963
Well, the way I look at it is this.

Chromatic could be mafia... but I don't think it's likely, and even if he is, there's still two scum in the lurkers. And we've killed off enough semi-active players. If I'd known the game would turn out like this I might have left the Spag case for another day because, well... at least he posted. I was so convinced he was the scum's excuse for an active player though.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:57 GMT
#965
I don't really know what to ask you any more. Any last words?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:59 GMT
#970
On December 24 2012 08:58 OmniEulogy wrote:
hahahahahahaha

I guess that sums it up really.

If you flip SK I will lol so hard.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 23 2012 23:59 GMT
#971
lol sniped
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 00:05 GMT
#978
On December 24 2012 09:02 Dandel Ion wrote:
OmniEulogy, as a Renaissance Man has been lynched!

GG, hope you had fun.


threesr has not voted and is hereby booted from the game. We will look for replacement.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 00:22 GMT
#984
I imagine you feel like I did after day one

Is this game so painful that the observers aren't even watching for the lynch to give us popcorn?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 01:23 GMT
#989
Mocsta, you really shouldn't be posting anything other than popcorn.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 03:24 GMT
#990
Anyone here and want to discuss anything?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 03:48 GMT
#992
Well, I'll start with the good old cliched question of who are your top scumreads and why.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 03:57 GMT
#994
On December 24 2012 12:53 cakepie wrote:
Well, this is not a pretty state of affairs. We have failed to trade effectively early, and our lead in numbers, and more importantly, in activity have taken big hits. I do not see any remaining room for mislynching -- even one-for-one trades are not going to cut it now.

Aqua, Syl:

Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 06:10 Chromatically wrote:
On December 24 2012 06:01 OmniEulogy wrote:
hmm I think even if I vote Shz I'll still get lynched but I'm not going to vote for somebody I don't have a scum read on.

Let's examine the possibilities:

Omni and shz:
Omni knows for certain that he is town. He thinks shz is town, but is not sure. Obviously, he would rather lynch shz over himself, because shz at least has a chance of flipping scum.
Omni would vote for shz.

Omni and shz
Omni knows for certain that shz is town. Obviously, he would rather get shz mislynched than have himself lynched.
Omni would vote for shz.

Omni and shz
Omni knows for certain that shz and himself are both scum. He doesn't want either of them lynched. He might vote for shz over himself, but only if shz is under more suspicion (which he's not).
Omni probably wouldn't vote for shz.

Scumteam 100%.


I take issue with "100%" being thrown around so carelessly again.
Thoughts on this, and on Chromatically in general?

Would scum go so all-in on a lynch they knew would flip green, when the lynch was pretty much settled anyway? I think it's unlikely.
I think there's a consistent thought process behind Chromatic's play, and that its object is to lynch scum. Given the activity level of everyone else in this game, if Chromatic is scum then a) we've probably already lost and b) town does not deserve to win. He's got the most activity in this game by a fair margin.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 04:26 GMT
#1000
On December 24 2012 13:15 Sylencia wrote:

My top suspect now goes back to Kick who was my 2nd choice in the previous day, this is due to his uncharacteristic lurking, which differs completely from his normal playstyle.

Indeed, the Kick I know would have jumped all over Corazon and Threesr day one, even with the few posts he did make.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 04:34 GMT
#1001
On December 24 2012 13:22 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 08:37 Aquanim wrote:
Let's say he's dying like I think a town player would die. Like I said, though, scum might do this in hopes of last-minute deliverance. And if there was a competing wagon I'd feel a lot happier about the outcome of this day.


Your vote was absolutely not required on the Omni wagon. Why did you not find a better use for it, if this is all you had to say about the way the lynch was headed?


I had been using it other places for the rest of the day. At the end of the day, I believed Omni was scum up until his final posts, and I think a town player should have his vote on his scumread at lynch time. Leaving a single useless vote on someone else would accomplish exactly nothing.

And like I said, letting someone off at the last minute after they've made their "final will and testament" type post raises a huge question mark.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 04:59 GMT
#1004
On December 24 2012 13:50 Chromatically wrote:
Here's my thoughts on the next lynch:
I think that shz is scum. However, I was also very confident that Spag and Omni were scum, and they weren't. In addition, by lynching them, we've lost 2 potentially helpful townies. I don't like the possibility of having another mislynch on another semiactive townie, leaving us with a higher and higher lurker:active ratio. If shz is a mislynch, we are left with a 7 person town with at least 3 total lurkers, an extremely bad situation. Given that there's almost certainly some lurking scum, I feel like the scummiest lurker (Kickstart/FatChunk/Syl) might be a better lynch. On the other hand, I think that shz has the highest chance of flipping scum. I really need to evaluate the risk:reward of lynching a lurker vs shz, I'm not decided yet.

Agreed. Now that Omni has flipped town, why do you think Shz is scum?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 05:45 GMT
#1006

@ Aquanim, Chromatically:
what do you think of the connections that shz seems to be implying?
Can something be built out of that at all?
What about other connections; do you see any that are worth further pursuit and scruity?

I had "found" some Omni-shz connections myself, but held off from posting those knowing well how they can seem stronger than they really are with confirmation bias glasses on. Looking back at this and in the light of the environment in this game, I am starting to doubt the usefulness of such links -- I do not think they are worth much unless otherwise moderately strong cases can be made against both sides using other evidence. Thoughts?

I think making association cases before a red flip is a bad idea in general. I'm not really sure what shz was implying at all looking at that post, it seems to be almost all data and no analysis.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 05:56 GMT
#1008
[b]@Shz[b] What point were you trying to make with this post:

On December 24 2012 04:44 shz wrote:
I did, what I think is a good approach and sumarzied every (living) player. I think there is a lot to learn from this, now bundled, information. I commented sometime, but mostly it is just the information. I will draw my own conlusions from that after this post. I may have overlooked something, so you can of course correct me.

....

I am conviced we will find connections and answers in here.

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 07:01 GMT
#1013
Hello again, Yamato! In short, you're replacing in for someone whose only contribution to the game was to advocate lurking day 1, and then proceeded to AFK day 2 and got modkilled. As such, you've got a lot of work to do to make your slot look like anything other than a bad coinflip.

I appreciate that it'll take you quite some time to catch up, but when you do we could really use a fresh perspective. I'd really like to see whatever reads you have.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 07:14 GMT
#1015
On December 24 2012 15:59 Sylencia wrote:
Now, for day 3 coming - is it possible for the town to vote based on who they think is suspicious first - with some reasoning, followed by defenses and then switching of votes? I feel that in the first 2 days there were quite a few people who said X was their prime suspect but then voted for someone else because they were the majority. Leaving a suspect out of the firing line is the easiest way scum can get through the lynching phase and gives the enemy absolutely no pressure at all.

QFT. I think this is definitely what was missing from day 2.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 09:07 GMT
#1017
On December 24 2012 17:51 Orangeremi wrote:
I'm flabbergasted that Omni turned town. This really puts a wrench in things for me.

Well, given that he has, who are your main suspects now?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 24 2012 12:31 GMT
#1019
On December 24 2012 20:43 Orangeremi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2012 18:07 Aquanim wrote:
On December 24 2012 17:51 Orangeremi wrote:
I'm flabbergasted that Omni turned town. This really puts a wrench in things for me.

Well, given that he has, who are your main suspects now?

Chrom's going to come under pressure (understandably) but I do think we need to pressure the less active players come next Day phase. I'm really thrown for a loop right now and don't know what to think. Looking over filters and after recent events I'm stumped

That wasn't really an answer to my question. Care to try again?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
December 25 2012 23:27 GMT
#1042
Hello hello. Season's greetings to you all. Is anyone here?
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