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On December 22 2012 06:49 Aquanim wrote: @Orangeremi: What did you think of Spaghetticus' defence to my case? I wasn't swayed either way by it. Your case was a tough one to argue and he tried. I don't feel like he succeeded. When he answered my question about his defense it seemed to me even fluffier as well. At this point I think it's fairly obvious, unfortunately I woke up too late to detail a case myself. Most everything that could've been said about him has been. It will take a fair deal of convincing for me to change my mind before Day's end. ##Vote: OmniEulogy | ||
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I've got my eye on FC, but want to hold off on further judgements until I see him post this Day I'm also waiting on more from Kickstart, I'm wary of how he's playing this game as opposed to his last one. | ||
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On December 22 2012 17:39 Aquanim wrote: It hasn't really changed much from what? Wasn't convince he's town before, still not convinced he is. No reads on being something else, either. | ||
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On December 23 2012 00:40 cDgCorazon wrote: This is not a post to defend OE or to try to get you guys to not lynch him, this is a post about increasing pressure on Orangeremi. His answers to my accusations have been ungraceful, indifferent, and incomplete. Let us take a look at all of the posts he has made since I have made accusations against him. (Original Accusation post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386911¤tpage=38#744) When I wrote my post accusing OJR, I finished with these words: + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 09:15 cDgCorazon wrote: I feel like OJR (which is what I’m calling he/she from now on, much easier to write) needs to step up his scum-hunting efforts in order to clear suspicion from myself. OJR has all the room to defend themselves, but until OJR picks it up, I am very suspicious of them. Now, I was expecting OJR to defend himself from my attacks, prove to me that he was not hiding anything. + Show Spoiler + (Which Cakepie has done an excellent job of so far) However, I am disappointed with the lack of a reaction by OJR so far. 1st Post After My Accusation: + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 12:30 Orangeremi wrote: I wasn't swayed either way by it. Your case was a tough one to argue and he tried. I don't feel like he succeeded. When he answered my question about his defense it seemed to me even fluffier as well. At this point I think it's fairly obvious, unfortunately I woke up too late to detail a case myself. Most everything that could've been said about him has been. It will take a fair deal of convincing for me to change my mind before Day's end. ##Vote: OmniEulogy Did not even bother to read my post accusing him before immediately answering. Made a half-answer about how Spag was making a bunch of fluff, and that Spag’s case was not good enough to change OJR’s mind (which is fair enough). However, he also just gives his case that he had no other good reasons to vote Spag, saying that Aqua literally picked Spag apart so much that there was nothing else he could say. It could be true, or could he just be bandwagoning or sheeping to try and keep attention away from him. It’s a scummy play, and he needs to justify his vote for Spag, who claimed and flipped VT. I didn't vote for Spag. I'm not sure what else there is to say about this. 2nd&3rd Posts: + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 12:59 Orangeremi wrote: Is there anything in specific you're looking for? All of your claims are valid, and you just asked me to step up my scum hunting. Not even trying to defend himself, just saying that I am right. Very suspicious play, but it’s hard to get anything from that. His third post is the most scummy post: On December 22 2012 13:26 Orangeremi wrote: I don't like how Threesr is playing if he's town. He's helping very little and I could see him playing a reverse psychological scum the way he is acting. I've got my eye on FC, but want to hold off on further judgements until I see him post this Day I'm also waiting on more from Kickstart, I'm wary of how he's playing this game as opposed to his last one. His three reads are Threesr, FC, and Kickstart: All easy targets that have come under fire in Day 1 and during Night 1. His arguments are basic for all three, and are arguments that others have come up with (Threesr is playing suspicious, FC is playing suspicious, Kick has been lurking). Not only are these arguments brief and weak, but they are not even his. An explanation for this is that he is scum, and he is not able to make fabricated lies. This lack of effort in scumhunting is ridiculously suspicious, and his lack in any discussion at all in the past 24 hours is disturbing and suspicious as well. I'd like to argue that the arguments are indeed mine, because I come to the conclusions on my own (as did other players, seeing as they're the same) although I agree they are brief and weak. In your original accusation you said that my lack of names implied either me being afraid of being put in the spotlight or I have not seen anything suspicious (which you doubted). While I'll say I don't like the spotlight, avoiding it hasn't been completely on purpose. But that isn't why. I wouldn't honestly say I don't have any suspicions, but that I don't have any convicting suspicions. That's why my 'reads' are the same as everyone else's and not in depth. 4th Post: + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2012 14:01 Orangeremi wrote: @cake I'm interested in his theory regarding you+OE+Chrom scum team, but I don't know how much credibility it has. This post is just a joke. I already asked Cake about the Cake/OE/Chrom scum team, and he had handled his answer with much grace. This is pressing someone else’s idea, not creating his own. This is textbook scum play, jumping on other’s idea without creating original content. I had actually typed up my post (as 'jokey' as it is) before I saw you had posted yours. | ||
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On December 23 2012 10:47 Aquanim wrote: I think I disagree with you on preferences here. I too like both Orange and Shz as lynches, but Orange's behaviour around the day one lynch is pretty ridiculous. His first post after the Spag case is: He then proceeds to vote no-lynch after saying some other random stuff. When he comes back in the morning, he votes FatChunk. With absolutely no reason. So, did he switch from Spag because he found Spag's defence convincing? Nope. As for his read on Kick: This was in reference to Orange's read on Kick before his posts day 2. Kick only posted once during the night, and I don't see how a #2 scum read turns into a null with that one post. Basically, the only reason I can see for voting FatChunk is to avoid being on the Spag wagon, and the only reason for that is to avoid responsibility for lynching Spag. As for why he voted FC rather than Kick, FC was the more generally acceptable target at that time I think. In fact: ##Unvote ##Vote: Orangeremi Orangeremi, explain yourself. Now. @FatChunk: Still want to see more from you. I suppose I should clarify. I've had very few scum reads this game. I've had plenty of suspicions. When referring to 'scum reads' I'm just mentioning the players I'm suspicious of. I honestly couldn't say that I wasn't convinced any players were scum D1. My explanation for voting FC over Spag is I was convinced Spag was town after reading his long final post before being lynched. At that point I felt it was a toss-up between FC and Kickstart in my mind and I just voted to avoid voting no-lynch (since people seemed to not want me to). I would take all the players I've mentioned with a grain of salt, especially since I haven't made a case for any of them. However, none of my suspicions from then compare with how convinced I am with my D2 vote. After viewing Chrom's evidence towards Omni and then reviewing it myself, there's no way he's town. | ||
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On December 24 2012 02:11 OmniEulogy wrote: ##Vote: Orangeremi The only "active" lurker throughout the game who hasn't made a case on anybody in nearly 100 hours. I'd like to argue that I haven't made a case in over 100. All game, even. | ||
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On December 24 2012 18:07 Aquanim wrote: Well, given that he has, who are your main suspects now? Chrom's going to come under pressure (understandably) but I do think we need to pressure the less active players come next Day phase. I'm really thrown for a loop right now and don't know what to think. Looking over filters and after recent events I'm stumped  | ||
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On December 24 2012 21:31 Aquanim wrote: That wasn't really an answer to my question. Care to try again? I'm not really looking to throw names out there if I'm not confident after that lynch. I'm sticking with my statement that lurkers need to come out before anything else. | ||
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I'm gonna read up on the thread, be back soon. | ||
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On December 26 2012 15:42 cakepie wrote: OrangeRemi: Please play the devil's advocate, and try to knock holes in the arguments against shz laid out by Kickstart, myself and others. Are there good townie hypotheses that would explain how he voted? What of his early D2 defense of Omni, which ceased despite the lynch gaining momentum? Does this give you a overall town vibe or scum vibe on him? I found it difficult to knock any holes in the case. As town, starting the game with a vote for someone is a great way to trigger discussion and get things off in the right direction. Very possibly his intention. I see no townie explanation for the way he voted Corazon, possibly laziness. With Spag, he just hopped on the wagon. Nothing special for scum or town. And I think his vote for Chrom is justified to throw another opinion/point of view on the table (although rather poorly, not that I'm one to talk.) I don't understand why he would give up on defending Omni. His defense was perfectly sound, especially when Omni flipped town. Overall, I'd suppose a scum vibe. Although looking over his posts it wasn't at all my initial thought. His post voting for Chrom seemed townie to me, and his more recent advocation to go after lurkers seems so as well. Good question. Looking back, it's rather pointless. I suppose I just wanted it to be accurate that I haven't posed a case towards anyone. I don't know why. On December 27 2012 06:47 Aquanim wrote: He never came back. Confirmation bias tells me there's only one explanation for this. Something tells me confirmation bias would be wrong. | ||
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On December 27 2012 23:43 Chromatically wrote: Why is shz a scum vibe if you see all these townie things in his filter? I wouldn't say 'all' these townie things in his filter. The two things I mentioned were the only two townie things I noticed. That's why I get vibe. | ||
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The overwhelming vote count for Kick right now leads me to believe the scum are just hopping on his wagon. If he was actually scum, wouldn't the mafia would find another player to try and start a wagon for to save him. But that isn't happening. I think we need to reevaluate. In the meantime I'm going back to one of my initial reads. ##Vote: FatChunk | ||
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