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On December 11 2012 07:21 yamato77 wrote:
/out because greymist is a beast game maker
You can run, but you can't hide.
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Need mafia goodness. Moar players plx
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Heidi-ho there neighbors.
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@Everyone
Yes, I've been lurking. Hardcore legit.
Been swamped with finals / work. You know what happened in Newtown, CT? I live in right near there so stuff has been... you know, suboptimal around here to say the least.
Sorry for lurking, shame on me. I'll be posting later tonight and into tomorrow.
Thrawn, Cheesecake is better. Fuck you.
Sincerely,
Mr. Cheesecake
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Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow.
Thrawn is an Opportunist
On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for?
Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory.
On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane
Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?
On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn VOTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him?
On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie.
On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town.
PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:
On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you
Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched.
Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.
On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker
Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea!
On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it
But I still really really like a JX lynch!
On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead
But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that!
Why is Thrawn so indecisive?
On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum
He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker.
Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn
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Can I get me a votecount?
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On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea.
Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior?
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On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you.
Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people.
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On December 17 2012 02:04 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. One read through is enough. I thought that by definition, in order to participate, you'd have to be willing to read the thread. By saying you're not doing so, you just discredit your entire argument about thrawn even though some aspects may be valid.
Lol, never said I didn't read the thread. Don't twist my words. I'm calling you out for being either too lazy to present your findings or scum trying to get everyone else to dig it up on their own.
Telling people "Oh, just read the thread, he's scummy because this" is pretty baseless if you don't present exactly what you're talking about.
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On December 17 2012 02:24 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 02:11 kushm4sta wrote:
@eywa I want you to pick another lynch. Here's why:
1 Scumreads are at their weakest d1. Lynching a town hapa would be terrible for town, because of how useful of an asset he can be.
2 No on agrees with you, so that lynch is just not going to happen today. 1. You're running an assumption that he is a town 2. If it doesn't happen today, then the town still has 3 more days to get something right before they lose. I'm not running under that assumption. He is the strongest town player in this game that is a fact. (you suck dp). If we lynch him, the next 3 days will be harder. There is no where near enough evidence to call him scum. I have no idea what his scumplay looks like but he looks town to me. Originally I was concerned with his bad cases but then I realized what he was doing and it no longer seemed scummy.
Apparently, you are running that assumption?
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On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker?
Yes we need a vote count.
I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers?
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JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you.
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On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good?
Ill think about it honey.
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On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it
Jx, you're really paranoid.
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why.
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So you're saying he's not suspect at all?
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On December 17 2012 04:24 MrZentor wrote:
Don't vote for him; he's not scum.
Look at his last few posts.
You seem so sure.
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This never works out right, these last minute switches t.t but I don't want to friggen no lynch
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On December 17 2012 04:39 thrawn2112 wrote:lurks all game until people start calling him out, doesn't post real content until right before the lynch, and the one read he's pushing is pretty bad. even if i didn't know my alignment I'd think it was a bad case
Dude... You do know why I was gone right?
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Fuck it, may as well...
##Unvote
##Vote Morbidius
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On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member.
You know he's an acolyte? Scum.
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I'd be down for an Eywa lynch, like hardcore.
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On December 17 2012 05:28 MrZentor wrote:The List of Reasons Eywa isn't scum. (Although it should be pretty apparent to anybody that reads through his filter) 1. It's unlikely that mafia would flat out insult somebody; they want to be on everybody's good side, so that they don't get lynched Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:17 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 03:15 MrZentor wrote:
I'm thinking. If you weren't so busy thinking about how awesome of a player you are, maybe you'd have an answer :-/. 2. ACOLYTE IS VANILLA TOWN. That's right; he didn't scum slip.3. He is a lot of good posts that I agree with. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:07 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 03:02 threesr wrote:
haven't been reading this game too close but i want to lynch jiexian
Are you for real... like, if this is the extent of your contribution, you shouldn't be playing. Clearly players are responsible for reading the thread. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. That's pretty much how it seems this game is going to go "We want you dead" even though he in no way seems to be guilty. I hope someone sees reason before the vote is final.
I lol'd
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On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN?
BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME.
If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so.
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Seriously, I could just keep my vote on Thrawn and let town do what it will, or I could actually make a difference in the lynch.
There's no point in having my vote on Thrawn atm if nobody else is going to bandwagon onto it.
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Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me.
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On December 17 2012 05:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Stop trying to start last minute bandwagons with 5 minutes to go you retards. This is a majority lynch game.
Exactly.
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On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit
And onto any other random ass person?
Rofl.
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Lol @ Eywa trying to take town cred for this. We lynched a townie. Big deal.
Why the fuck would I switch my vote when there was zero chance anyone else would? All this would do is secure a no lynch.
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On December 17 2012 10:54 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:50 DoYouHas wrote:
@Eywa - If you were to manage to get Hapa lynched tomorrow, who would be your next lynch choice given what you know now? Why? Next after hapa would be Mr. Cheesecake because he's mafia.
Yes I am totes mafia.
Also, I was lurking.
sup?
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Yeah hapa that blatant scumslip made me all tingly inside.
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On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in.
And somehow you magically knew the guy the town was lynching was a townie. Lol @ framing Hapa for pushing a lynch on a townie. You know who do that? Scummers.
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On December 17 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. And somehow you magically knew the guy the town was lynching was a townie. Lol @ framing Hapa for pushing a lynch on a townie. You know who do that? Scummers. How could anyone not know it was a townie?
Because we're fucking town and have no clue the alignment of anyone. If he was so obvious town he wouldn't have gotten lynched.
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On December 17 2012 11:06 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. And somehow you magically knew the guy the town was lynching was a townie. Lol @ framing Hapa for pushing a lynch on a townie. You know who do that? Scummers. How could anyone not know it was a townie? Because we're fucking town and have no clue the alignment of anyone. If he was so obvious town he wouldn't have gotten lynched. I did warn everyone that he was a town.
So you knew 100% he was town. Guess I know who's dying tomorrow.
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lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer
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On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you.
And a single person has yet to agree with you...
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Hapa, Eywa is totes always right about everything. Shouldn't we listen to him?
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On December 17 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa, Eywa is totes always right about everything. Shouldn't we listen to him? You had better hope we are right about Eywa, because if we aren't you look exactly like a gloating scum who is buddying hapa.
Me and Hapa are both scum what are you talking about >.>
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How the fuck is "I'm voting Hapa because he votes a lot of people and that seems scummy. Want to find out exactly why? Go reread the thread and find it yourself" obvtown?
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And somehow he knows Kush is town....
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On December 17 2012 11:51 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
And somehow he knows Kush is town.... I'm sorry, a 5 year old could guess that one, if it's beyond your capacity, then I don't see why anyone would side with your vote.
I lol'd so hard.
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On December 17 2012 14:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa do you have reads on anyone else? right now if I go process of elimination I end up with a list like eywa, dyh, zentor, kush for possible mafia
Thrawn, didn't you think I was scum? What happened?
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@Djo
Curious, who's you're top scummer read apart from Eywa? Have your opinions on the people you made cases on changed at all since the lynch?
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Eywa,
Please, for God's sake if you're actually town, stop being an inconsiderate, blind, confirmation-biased asshole. If town, you're not playing to your win condition. You're just flailing your arms around like a complete buffoon.
Seriously. Make a decent case on Hapa or myself or Djo --- Convince people if you really don't want to be lynched today. If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing.
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On December 18 2012 00:04 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:00 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 23:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Djo
Curious, who's you're top scummer read apart from Eywa? Have your opinions on the people you made cases on changed at all since the lynch? @ CheesecakeI'll keep this for before the deadline. I have one other strong scum read apart from Eywa. Still wary of Jx and MrZ, but I way more confident on Eywa and the other guy. By the way, what do you make of thrawn right now ?
Oh believe you me, I still think he's scum. My entire case beforehand make sense, and he just calls it bad and never defends or responds to it. Also, he thought I was scum and voted for me D1 but somehow left me out of his scumreads tonight.
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I'm really interested in seeing these cases on me rofl. Lurked most of D1 cus irl, gave thrawn case, lynched scummy lurker because it's better than no-lynch, buddied Hapa because he's sexy and makes sense.
Gogogo make cases on me gogogo
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On December 18 2012 00:22 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm really interested in seeing these cases on me rofl. Lurked most of D1 cus irl, gave thrawn case, lynched scummy lurker because it's better than no-lynch, buddied Hapa because he's sexy and makes sense.
Gogogo make cases on me gogogo It seems like you just made a case against yourself... Short, but there's a lot of content you can read into there.
If that's the stuff in the case against me, lol.
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On December 18 2012 00:28 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 00:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm really interested in seeing these cases on me rofl. Lurked most of D1 cus irl, gave thrawn case, lynched scummy lurker because it's better than no-lynch, buddied Hapa because he's sexy and makes sense.
Gogogo make cases on me gogogo It seems like you just made a case against yourself... Short, but there's a lot of content you can read into there. If that's the stuff in the case against me, lol. How many townies are actively trying to make alliances?
Actively making alliances? Not so much, that's an exaggeration.
I always buddy someone.
Last game it was Kick, game before that it was SDM, game before that Debears to an extent. I buddy up with people I feel are townie and make sense.
If you're entire case is based on me enjoying the company of sir Hapa, then you're terribly scum or terribly bad.
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On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO?
I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody.
I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do.
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@Djo
Not a fan of meta cases, never have been.
His play looks scummy to me, and I don't think you can deny that. He didn't look like he cared who was going to get lynched mid-day and totally forgot he thought I was scum.
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On December 17 2012 22:29 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:27 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 22:24 Eywa- wrote:
Hmmm... Since most people seem to think hapa and cheeseboard are town, why don't we meet in the middle and kill djodref.. Who, if you two are both innocent has a very high probability of being scum. Backing down all of a sudden are we? Putting it on the back burner... It'll come back if I'm still alive tomorrow or if enough people agree today (which seems unlikely).
On December 18 2012 00:06 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 23:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Eywa,
Please, for God's sake if you're actually town, stop being an inconsiderate, blind, confirmation-biased asshole. If town, you're not playing to your win condition. You're just flailing your arms around like a complete buffoon.
Seriously. Make a decent case on Hapa or myself or Djo --- Convince people if you really don't want to be lynched today. If you're scum, keep doing what you're doing. The goal is not to not be lynched, the goal is to catch the scum. So I will be making a case on you guys, however, I'm not releasing it for at least another 24 hours.
Admits he might die.
Doesn't want to give case until tomorrow.
???
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curious who you're suspect of djo, DYH perhaps?
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JX, please, save it. How the fuck could I push a Thrawn lynch with such little time? The bandwagon was either you or Morb, I had to pick one. Nobody even showed the slightest interest, except you, with barely any time left on the clock.
Eywa's vote on Hapa was shit and everyone knows that.
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On December 18 2012 01:16 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, please, save it. How the fuck could I push a Thrawn lynch with such little time? The bandwagon was either you or Morb, I had to pick one. Nobody even showed the slightest interest, except you, with barely any time left on the clock.
Eywa's vote on Hapa was shit and everyone knows that.
why did you get on the bandwagon against morb? why have you stopped pushing it now? I don't mind about your chatting with eywa nor your request for a vote count lol
Honestly? I sheeped. Just because I'd rather have a lynch than a no-lynch. That's it, cut and dry right there.
Can't really push thrawn anymore other than pointing out that he totes forgot I was scum and whatnot, my case is already out there. Plus, The Eywa shit is diverting my attention.
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But let's think about it if I'm scum. I could push Thrawn, who I know is town, to the very end. We lynch morb anyway. I'm in the clear and can flame about how everyone is an idiot for lynching him.
Town motiv for sheeping onto Morb: He might be scum, i don't want to no-lynch. Keeping my vote on thrawn = useless.
Mafia motiv for sheeping onto morb: None, Morb had a decent chance of getting lynched regardless. My vote would literally only be bad for myself.
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On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right?
How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already?
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On December 18 2012 01:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 01:52 Eywa- wrote:
I'd like to talk about witchcraft votes... Shall we?
Let's pile some votes onto any of this trio and see if they die... Should be a pretty clear indicator right? How do you know the witchhunter didn't shoot twice already? I have no idea.
Then your plan is lol.
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Lol @ Eywa, that's a typo and doesn't in anyway implicate a scumslip. Wasn't over the word 'am' literally means nothing
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On December 18 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 01:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Yes the person with the 9 page filter that led discussion all through D1 is scum. You're saying that quantity has something to do with alignment? absolutely not.
And you have posted quality...?
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I'll be honest Hapa, I voted for both you and DP. Kinda feel bad about DP... *sigh*
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Can the witchhunter even shoot twice in the same cycle? Seems like it would be OP and a no-brainer to just shoot as soon as the night begins.
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This whole talk about blues / witchhunter shots is all a bunch of WIFOM right now, hardcore.
We can't know anything for sure.
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Or Mafia decided to wait to kill hapa, or maybe he didnt get the blue role.
Witchhunter can shoot at ANY time. It didn't have to be right then.
Seriously, so much fucking wifom.
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On December 18 2012 02:36 MrZentor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or Mafia decided to wait to kill hapa, or maybe he didnt get the blue role.
Witchhunter can shoot at ANY time. It didn't have to be right then.
Seriously, so much fucking wifom. 1. Mafia would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP. DP is dead, therefore if Hapa is town, mafia already tried to shoot him. 2. If he didn't get a blue role, there is no harm in us revealing our votes for him.
omg so much wifom...
How do you know the witchhunter even shot him??? Especially they shot him BEFORE DP???
I already said I did vote for Hapa.
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The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now.
We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none.
On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?
no one
Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him?
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edbwop okay saw your response
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On December 18 2012 02:42 MrZentor wrote:
From the scum perspective, assuming Hapa is town, you know townies are going to vote for the most townie townie, AKA Hapa.
Also, because you want to save your precious bullets, the list of people you shoot goes from most townie(Hapa) to less townie but still pretty townie (DP).
So, if Hapa is town, the mafia already tried to shoot him.
Again, it depends on what the mafia are trying to do. DP was a good witchcraft target, and apparently they were correct. They might have been afraid Hapa didn't get the votes because he was obvs town and decided not to shoot.
I'm not saying it isn't the likely course of action, I'm saying it's really not concrete evidence.
Scum want to fuck with your head.
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I do think we should just say exactly who we voted for. All three go right ahead.
Kush
Hapa
DP
there you go guys.
I'm just saying --- we can't know 100% that the witchhunter shot him. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry. It's LIKELY, but not definite.
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Just got back from work.
Lol @ Eywa's case, etc. Please someone give me a good reason why I should be lynched over him. He's an arrogant SOB that keeps spelling my name oddly just to be an ass. He keeps twisting my words around, scum tactic trying to find shit that isn't there. Hell, it's what I did in my first scum game against Djo, pushed his lynch calling him scum scum scum scumslip flipflopper scum until his lynch. He called it nitpicking and what have you. I can't help but believe that it's the same thing happening here; but I highly doubt anyone is going to believe this arrogance.
If Eywa is really town, he's the most anti-town I've ever seen.
I openly admit that I sheeped the morb Lynch -- no lynch worse than a lynch that can reveal scum / information.
If you're wondering why I lashed out and revealed who I voted for -- sorry, frustration. Not much I can say about that.
##Vote: Eywa
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Basically, Hapa, people were trying to tell me that there was 100% chance that the witchhunter shot you. I was blowing up at people, saying that we didn't know that for sure.
On December 18 2012 02:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
This whole talk about blues / witchhunter shots is all a bunch of WIFOM right now, hardcore.
We can't know anything for sure.
On December 18 2012 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or Mafia decided to wait to kill hapa, or maybe he didnt get the blue role.
Witchhunter can shoot at ANY time. It didn't have to be right then.
Seriously, so much fucking wifom.
On December 18 2012 02:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:36 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 02:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Or Mafia decided to wait to kill hapa, or maybe he didnt get the blue role.
Witchhunter can shoot at ANY time. It didn't have to be right then.
Seriously, so much fucking wifom. 1. Mafia would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP. DP is dead, therefore if Hapa is town, mafia already tried to shoot him. 2. If he didn't get a blue role, there is no harm in us revealing our votes for him. omg so much wifom... How do you know the witchhunter even shot him??? Especially they shot him BEFORE DP???I already said I did vote for Hapa.
On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now. We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none. Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him?
I was pretty frustrated because people were saying it was 100% totes mafia witchhunter shot you. I didn't like it. I just gave up and said "HERE'S WHO I VOTED FOR OMG" and left for work shortly thereafter.
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Well me revealing i voted DP didn't matter - he was already dead.
Revealing I voted you was because everyone was talking about it. Impulse, perhaps. I don't know, I just revealed.
The latter reveal was more of a symbol of giving up if anything. (Why did I vote Kush? Lol)
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Remember dat VT claim? kinda same thing here except less pants on head more frustration.
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@Hapa
In a way Eywa reminds me of Axle, except Axle was much, much more intelligent.
Hard to say my scumreads atm. I've got some townreads but I'd rather not go pants-on-head and reveal them. Gimme some time to catch up, I just had some finals + work
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Except Axle wasn't scummy at all, Hapa.
Maybe I'm OMGUSing here, but I really don't see a situation in which he's town. I'll try to rethink the situation, but if he's actually town, lolwut.
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On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday?
Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1.
If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now.
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On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right.
LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post.
And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum.
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On December 18 2012 10:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Screaming that he's lying =/= good way to figure out if someone's scum. Be quiet while I try and get productive answers from people. I'm just saying, when someone has a 0% guess rate, they're generally scum... It's not that hard to link the dots.
Well, I'm pretty sure you have a 0% guess rate too, because I'm town.
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On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics.
You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum.
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On December 18 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Well you didn't do much yesterday other than address "Eywa bullshit" and hard defend me. The lack of scumhunting outside your D1 case on thrawn is rather disturbing. And tunneling Eywa really doesn't satisfy the "scumhunting" quota.
Whatever. Tired of this " I didn't do anything D1" Bullshit. Neither did Eywa. I'm busy helping amend this fucking school shooting in CT, maybe you've heard of it? I don't have time to deal with you fucking retards (Eywa, not you Hapa) Go die if you don't understand it, because I honestly don't give a shit anymore.
I'm just going to park my vote on Eywa, because he's scum. Join me if you want to.
I just don't know what to say. If Eywa is town I have no faith in the intelligence of humanity.
/endrage
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I'm not posting for the rest of the day. I'll give some reads before lynch time.
I apologize for flaming.
Town: Good luck in the meantime.
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Note: I hate doing read lists like this, I think they're scummy as shit. But, hell, it's most convenient for me because I haven't been able to actively participate in an effective manner as of yet and I don't have a lot of time.
On Myself
I'll be the first to admit I'm looking scummy, but for only one thing -- lack of scumhunting. Honestly, if I knew I'd be busy with this recent occurrence, I wouldn't have signed up. You can't predict these things, and well, the community comes first in real life. I'm sure you all can understand that. I've been on edge because of it, and for that I duly apologize, but the stress of recent events combined with my everyday life has masked my typical fun-loving nature. I dispense all of that positive energy for the masses in real life, and by the time I get home to the computer and attempt to scumhunt in this game, I get some guy yelling at me incessantly with a dunce hat on. At that point, I'm so frustrated with the game I just give up.
I honestly cannot blame anyone at this point for thinking I'm scummy due to lack of scumhunting, and that's really the only viable point against me. But I assure you, I'm town. I'm confused as to who my scumbuddies would be if I were scum, though. I guess Djo would make sense and maybe Drazzak because lurker. But it's a stretch.
On Eywa
To be frank, I don't know anymore. He presents what I like to call the Yamato effect. Misplaced anger and rage, and generally scummy play all around. My brain just screams scum, but my heart whispers tard town. The only thing that's holding me back is that whisper, and in all honestly, I possess only a slight proclivity to not lynch him.
Although, I feel like scum would try to push his lynch if he were town. He dies, flips, and then the next day is lynching me. Why would scum not push his lynch? It would be easy to do, and I'd be suspect for it most likely.
I don't see much town motive for anything he's done. Especially buddying Hapa when he previously thought we were the scumteam -- does that really make any sense? Well, I guess it would make sense with a bunch of other garbage logic he has.
Just something I noticed briefly:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the leastIf MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. Kush is scummy... but didn't he say Kush was superobv town? On December 17 2012 11:51 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
And somehow he knows Kush is town.... I'm sorry, a 5 year old could guess that one, if it's beyond your capacity, then I don't see why anyone would side with your vote.
On Djo and Hapa
They really do seem to be the most clear-headed in this thread. I buddied Hapa because he's my strongest town read. I always do that in every game -- just ask me for a few examples.
On Drazzak
En generale, too lurky to be useful. Not a good lynch for today. I really want to town read him, simply because I've never seen a scum this lurky at this stage in the game. Just look at the "scummy lurkers" in NMMXXIX, who barely ever posted and were scummy as all hell, but turned out to be town. Same with every single lurker in XXXII, town. I can only really null him.
On Kush
Kind of scummy in my eyes, but that's Kush for you. I don't like how he super-defended Eywa. However, Kush is infamous for making slips here and there, and he might just be able to tell the wrong ones from the right ones. I wish he was around to contribute more, but I guess both him and I are guilty of that. Could go either way. There is an association case to be had between him and Eywa too, so there's that. Leaning scum.
DYH / Mr.Z
These guys are pretty much the antithesis of each other. Foils if you will. One of them is likely scum.
JX
Tired after my shift... I'll read his filter later.
Scumteam is probably Eywa, Kush, DYH or Mr.Z, that's what I'm thinking.
@Djo
You're probably like the only one up at this time... sup? I made cookies today. They were good.
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On December 19 2012 14:34 Djodref wrote:
Hello CC !
Yeah, I'm totally up ! 2.30 pm here...
Just some questions for you
Did you have time to read thrawn filter in Mario Mini ?
What were you expecting to achieve by revealing your WC votes ?
It was like 2 pages long... didn't reveal much tbh. As I said, don't like meta cases much to begin with. Thanks for the suggestion, though. He was scummy in his own right, prolly still push him today if he were alive.
I don't think it put anyone in REAL danger. The second shot was likely used. I don't think kush had like any votes besides mine. I figured Hapa would die by NK anyway, not thrawn. Was an outburst of people going pants-on-head. Mad, you know?
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On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ?
Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally.
As for best? Impossible to tell.
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On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion  Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please...
Kush... He's Kush. Dat hard defense, dat no scumhunting, dat Kush. I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. I'm pretty clueless right now tbh--Haven't invested enough time into this game. No shame in admitting that. I'm probably just going to sheep most of the game.
inb4 "omg scummy"
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On December 19 2012 15:05 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 14:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please... Kush... He's Kush. Dat hard defense, dat no scumhunting, dat Kush. I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. I'm pretty clueless right now tbh--Haven't invested enough time into this game. No shame in admitting that. I'm probably just going to sheep most of the game. inb4 "omg scummy" What do you mean by "He' Kush" ? You think that he could behave like this as town ?
Anything is possible. He does have a reputation to uphold.
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On December 19 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 15:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 15:05 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 14:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please... Kush... He's Kush. Dat hard defense, dat no scumhunting, dat Kush. I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. I'm pretty clueless right now tbh--Haven't invested enough time into this game. No shame in admitting that. I'm probably just going to sheep most of the game. inb4 "omg scummy" What do you mean by "He' Kush" ? You think that he could behave like this as town ? Anything is possible. He does have a reputation to uphold. Ok, well... What do you think of my argument for a town Eywa ?
"Too scummy to be scum"
I hate that argument.
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On December 19 2012 15:28 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 15:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 15:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 15:05 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 14:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please... Kush... He's Kush. Dat hard defense, dat no scumhunting, dat Kush. I can't really say anything that hasn't already been said. I'm pretty clueless right now tbh--Haven't invested enough time into this game. No shame in admitting that. I'm probably just going to sheep most of the game. inb4 "omg scummy" What do you mean by "He' Kush" ? You think that he could behave like this as town ? Anything is possible. He does have a reputation to uphold. Ok, well... What do you think of my argument for a town Eywa ? "Too scummy to be scum" I hate that argument. It's not "too scummy to be scum", it's that it is not likely that the scumteam decided that it would be a good idea to suicide him on Hapa (if you think that Eywa is scum and Hapa is town). And, even in this case, Eywa would be really doing it like a boss, way too good for a first time scummer imo... For me, I'm not sure that he is town, but he looks so honest and passionate that it's difficult for me to believe that he is mafia. Why did you twist my argument ?
You admitted he's anti-town etc etc... honest and passionate my ass imo. too scummy to be scum is the way i see it.
On December 19 2012 15:22 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Draz
Where'd you go? We need to talk
@ CC
Can you elaborate on your MrZ/DYH thing?
Well basically they've just been trading blows. Mr.Z is like an active lurker or something. There was that random post where you said DYH was scummy and then he just pops in and was like "dyh is scummy c:" push my mislynchgogogo.
Whoever you're down to lynch for I'm down. I trust your judgment better than mine for this particular game. ( I know you were looking forward to playing with me, sorry to disappoint it's been pretty shitty all around )
Anyway... it's like 1:30 A.M., getting up in 4 hours... got mouths to feed.
cyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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##Vote: DoYouHas
Because Hapa told me.
/hug
also i just glanced at his filter and saw this and it made me lol
On December 17 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa, Eywa is totes always right about everything. Shouldn't we listen to him? You had better hope we are right about Eywa, because if we aren't you look exactly like a gloating scum who is buddying hapa.
Setting up my lynch if we lynch Eywa and he flips town. That would actually make sense. If DYH flips scum, Eywa is prolly town.
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And here come the scum going to push my mislynch.
Go for it.You feeling lucky, punk?
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Kush, what do you make of this Eywa guy? I know you defended his scumslip, but what about his actions presently?
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On December 20 2012 01:40 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 04:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ JieXian
Please catch up on recent thread events. I don't have my vote on you atm. In fact it's probably best just to go start at page 70 and work your way onwards. Less angry and whatnot. Am I supposed to be flattered with your attempt to bribe me hahahahahahahaha and keep giving me townie reads ever since? You still haven't answered my questions yet: (Taking off the spoiler because people might miss your lies (trying hard to be nice here, you know what word I had in mind) and incoherence) Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:59 JieXian wrote:Hapahauli wrote:Those are "non-controversial" reads in the sense that you didn't do anything useful. Your read on me and DP was unoriginal (since everyone thought we were town), and your top scumread was just the "troll" of the thread. I have 4 people voting the people whom "everyone thought were town". On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa On December 15 2012 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:Why DP is Scum+ Show Spoiler +
Strange Tunnel on DjoOn December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref.Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.
There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far.So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. Two things to note about the red/bolded passage: 1) DP does everything short of sucking my dick here. He buddies me just about as hard as you can in this passage. For example, I made no claims that a 10-3 setup is "super town favored." Nor is it actually "super town favored." Yet he goes and exhalts my idea as "really really good." 2) One of DP's main reasons for suspecting Djo at this point is that Djo disagrees with my assessment on the 10-3 setup thing. Part of the implication here is that DP agrees thtaThis is odd, considering his next post. On December 15 2012 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 11:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
I'm not retarded, I'm town, I'm interested into the way I should use my witchcraft votes, obviously you both don't So answer me this Djo: 1) Why are you so fearful of the witchhunter? 2) Why are you pushing a plan that compromises our scumhunting? 3) True or false: a 10-3 VT-Goon setup is town favored. 1) Because I don't want us to lose blues / obvious townies 2) I honestly think that we can scumhunt without stating our townreads 3) True, but impossible in this game 1- you are valuing blues to highly 2- That is a ridiculous proposition 3- So you were voting someone for a plan that was impossible. But you knew that. So you are essentially voting for someone for not reading the OP?
Do you think town or scum are less likely to read the OP? Despite agreeing with my "10-3 setup" stuff earlier, DP all of a sudden is assuming that Djodref is correct in his setup theory without any clarification from the mod in the mean time. This doesn't make sense at all. How could you agree with my comments and speculation, then go and post something like this? Very simply, DP lost track of the reasons he was tunneling Djo. His tunneling doesn't have a townie thought-process behind it - he's just trying to heap as much suspicion on Djo as he can. This is pretty clear by his next post on the subject: On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? This sounds so desperate to me. It's very clear by now that the argument between me and Djo is simply a misunderstanding of the OP, yet DP twists the hell out of his words and flips a shit.
Other Stuff:Firstly, DP's first post: On December 15 2012 08:48 DarthPunk wrote:
sup kids. I hate policy talk. That is my policy. I am vanilla town. The only purpose of this post is to stifle discussion. There's zero reason you should be so against policy talk before it even starts. Secondly, when I vote him - mind you I'm the ONLY person to be suspicious of him so far - he whines about it: On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. The whining is completely disproportionate to the suspicion put on him. In addition, DP doesn't hate playing town. Fact. On December 15 2012 12:10 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Well the problem is that DP tunneled you (Djo) without having ever even asked or cared about one of the key points he found you scummy for. DP found you initially scummy because he seemingly believed that a 10/3 setup was achievable. On December 15 2012 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On December 15 2012 10:55 Djodref wrote:On December 15 2012 10:49 Hapahauli wrote:On December 15 2012 10:44 Djodref wrote:
Yeah, okay, but I really think that we should avoid it if we can.
I know it's going to be very difficult, but we have to refrain ourselves from doing it while the Witch Hunter is alive... The thing is that you can't live in fear of things like that. I mean when it really comes down to it... who cares about blue roles? A town can win without blues. All we can do is play the game and try to find mafia. If someone gets shot, so be it. In fact I'm half tempted at this point to have a policy of never voting blues. That way, we'd have a 10-3 setup of 3 mafia goons vs 10 VTs, which IMO is town favored. You can only vote for one no-vote. Do you have even Witchcraft vote Hapa ? Maybe you would be more interested in the way you have to use them if you did ? ##Unvote
##Vote Hapa Wow your an idiot. ##Vote: Djodref. Votes Zentor for meaningless self vote. That was obviously meaningless. Doesn't want to give town reads which is just ridiculous. Votes for Hapa whom actually brings up a really good point. 13-3 all vt all goon is actually super town favored.There is no way a rational townie could believe hapa is scum based on the game so far. So either Djo is being retarded or he is scum. Either way that is enough to get my vote day one. But as it turns out, Djo was right. And then DP turns around and completely forgets about it and tunnels him for the opposite. On December 15 2012 11:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Holy shit. Djo be scummy. Look at that un-OMGUS as soon as Hapa unvotes. also. Both his votes have been weak as shit.
Djo. Are scum or town less likely to read the OP? But on top of all this, he has one vote on him, and he's already whining... On December 15 2012 11:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck I hate playing town. People always want to lynch me day one.
Source: my last three town games. and this game. Lynch this sucker. He's scum. No. the vote wasn't for voting against your plan. It was for voting you when there was absolutely no reason for you to be scum. I didn't really care about the plan at all. It was also for being an idiot about not sharing town reads. I didn't change the reason Ivoted for him. The reason I voted him still stands regardless of the fate of your 'idea' he was voting you for absolutely no reason and was justifying it with something that was not alignment indicative. The thing I noted later was not the 'new' reason for my vote but an ADDITIONAL reason. Also whining is not alignment indicative. Which you should well know. I whined as town in Mario. Your case is a dog that needs to be put down. I actually can't see town hapa making a case this horrible. But I have seen scum hapa make shitty cases like this. ##unvote
##vote: hapa On December 15 2012 12:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
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##Vote Darthpunk ........hello? For that matter, I already mentioned that I was back meaning I'm done with the catching up and I wasn't satisfied with the lack or MRCC = scum attention below: ie You don't have a good rebutal ie you're scumShow nested quote +On December 19 2012 00:11 JieXian wrote:Ok now that I'm back, why is everyone forgetting MrCC? ##Vote MrCheeseCake My case is based on the scumminess in his attitude towards thrawn. I feel very tired repeating myself to scum because they aren't in the position to listen because it involves claiming to be scum. On December 18 2012 01:03 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:
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So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles?
I get it
Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody. I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. let's look at your justifications on your vote for morbid On December 17 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? Ill think about it honey. On December 17 2012 04:46 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, may as well...
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##Vote Morbidius L O fucking L Here are my reasons to vote for thrawn On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to implymy read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperativeReading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:54 JieXian wrote:I'll do it for you On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. and hapa, I've changed my mind about providing reads on those 3 people and I think I shouldn't post read on them for now. For now the burning question is: What the hell are you contradicting yourself that badly? I made the most controversial post here and instantly got 4-5 votes on me. You yourself thought my reads were terrible Do you know what happened after you posted the case on thrawn? you chatted with eywa against going for hapa On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? and GAVE UP No one influential came in to discredit you yet -- neither hapa nor DP. And you shove away the only person who agreed with you = me and his defense was exactly why he was scummy in the first place On December 18 2012 00:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I made a case on thrawn. I dropped it because nobody else wanted to lynch him. Getting 6 other votes onto him would have been impossible. You "push it".. that's one vote. I get my vote off Morb and risk a no-lynch. I want to lynch somebody and not nobody.
I called him a random ass person because you have no reason to vote him, I do. MrCC dropped it before people were even around to post their thoughts I'm down for a hapa or mrcc lynch, now let me address the voting
I already told you I dropped it because there was a .1% chance of 6 other people going for the lynch in that frame of time. Don't know what else to tell you.
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JX, that's literally no more than a couple of hours to get everyone to bandwagon onto Thrawn. Zero people showed the slightest interest. You did, but it was rather feigned.
So calm yourself.
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On December 20 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that's literally no more than a couple of hours to get everyone to bandwagon onto Thrawn. Zero people showed the slightest interest. You did, but it was rather feigned.
So calm yourself. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. if it was feigned why did you had to shut me up + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 02:56 JieXian wrote:EDIT Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him.
I was talking to Kush about what lurkers he had in mind.
Then you started being like "I'm still waiting for him to make his response" what have you. The post wasn't directed towards you, it was directed at Kush.
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On December 20 2012 02:35 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that's literally no more than a couple of hours to get everyone to bandwagon onto Thrawn. Zero people showed the slightest interest. You did, but it was rather feigned.
So calm yourself. On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. if it was feigned why did you had to shut me up + Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 02:56 JieXian wrote:EDIT Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:53 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:47 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply my read on zentor is still null. hahaha :D just probing man but now that you've mentioned it I can imagine the mafia QT to be you asking him to post something and being all frustrated because he's so uncooperative Reading through your filter I can see NOT ONE single post of you asking him to "participate". I see one from drazak. All you did was say you had a null vote and attack me and kush who were directing attention towards him. I was talking to Kush about what lurkers he had in mind. Then you started being like "I'm still waiting for him to make his response" what have you. The post wasn't directed towards you, it was directed at Kush. Let me be sure, so you're saying you shut me up because I was being irritating bringing up something unimportant while you and kush were discussing? If that's the case then I can cool down
No, you were just responding to something that didn't have anything to do with you. It's not that it was irrelevant, it's that I have no clue why you responded to a question that you weren't asked.
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On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response
Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more.
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On December 20 2012 02:41 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:38 MrZentor wrote:
Eywa, you should as town compromise.
Or we're going to no lynch and lose.
DYH is way more scummy than cc. Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch.
Really, what are these "mistakes" as you put them? The only thing that I'm guilty of is lack of scumhunting and blatant sheeping, which I admit.
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On December 20 2012 02:43 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. Nitpicking some third party which isn't really being discussed as a lynch, another mafia trait (especially when it's paired with people who don't make decisions).
What? lol. You are so anti-town it's not even funny.
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On December 20 2012 02:44 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:38 MrZentor wrote:
Eywa, you should as town compromise.
Or we're going to no lynch and lose.
DYH is way more scummy than cc. Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch. Really, what are these "mistakes" as you put them? The only thing that I'm guilty of is lack of scumhunting and blatant sheeping, which I admit. Not to mention your case on thrawn, your numerous slips in your rage against me... It just piles up.
Case on Thrawn? That isn't a "mistake" at all. slips in rage? Point some out please.
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On December 20 2012 02:45 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. ok so you found that irritating and snapped sort of?
Well, isn't it a bit odd if you're discussing with someone and then someone else gives these posts like "oh this this and this". It's not irrelevant, it's just -- I was looking specifically for Kush's response.
I think you misinterpret my tone in that post, though. It wasn't angry at all.
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On December 20 2012 02:48 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:45 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. ok so you found that irritating and snapped sort of? Well, isn't it a bit odd if you're discussing with someone and then someone else gives these posts like "oh this this and this". It's not irrelevant, it's just -- I was looking specifically for Kush's response. I think you misinterpret my tone in that post, though. It wasn't angry at all. ........... ok so you didn't happen to care about what I have to say at the moment that's all?
Because I was asking Kush, precisely. It just seemed like you were overbearing a little.
Generally, answering questions that aren't addressed to you is a scumtrait.
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On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:48 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:45 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 02:41 JieXian wrote:
I was not irrelevant? So maybe it was somewhat relevant but you weren't interested?
I don't get that harsh response Harsh? It was just jaded by the fact that you gave a 3-post answer to something that wasn't addressed to you. Nothing more. ok so you found that irritating and snapped sort of? Well, isn't it a bit odd if you're discussing with someone and then someone else gives these posts like "oh this this and this". It's not irrelevant, it's just -- I was looking specifically for Kush's response. I think you misinterpret my tone in that post, though. It wasn't angry at all. ........... ok so you didn't happen to care about what I have to say at the moment that's all? Because I was asking Kush, precisely. It just seemed like you were overbearing a little. Generally, answering questions that aren't addressed to you is a scumtrait. ok fine. So you claim to be interested in the thrawn case but was disappointed that no one bit in comes me who was interested in it But you were talking to kush so I was ovebearing You didn't seem too interested in the thrawn case at all
You weren't biting. You were just waiting for his reponse, or said that you found him scummy if I recall.
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I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry.
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I also feel like that Thrawn kill was a way to frame me... Why would I kill him as scum? He's after all an integral part of my play.
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On December 20 2012 02:58 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:55 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? I have... But it's because I'm right and I've never second guessed... Evidence just piles on and on and on. No, you have commented on other things beside who you want to kill many times; you're not ignoring everything else like he is. Commented on, never changed my mind. Also, CC is neither lurking nor asleep, he is actively posting and ignoring my previous post (likely because he is stuck between a rock and a hard place).
There's nothing to comment on. You're either mega confirmation biased or scum.
I'm not fundraising all day today, so I do have a bit of time to participate here.
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On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes 
Please.
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On December 20 2012 03:02 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry. ? You can't push his mislynch as scum because you started the huge case
This makes no sense. The optimal scum play is to push the Thrawn lynch. It has NO chance to actually go through. I'm not suspicious for voting Morb, I can push his mislynch today. It just works out better.
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On December 20 2012 03:05 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes Please. I'm trying to reason him...
I was asking him to please do so :p
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On December 20 2012 03:08 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:02 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry. ? You can't push his mislynch as scum because you started the huge case This makes no sense. The optimal scum play is to push the Thrawn lynch. It has NO chance to actually go through. I'm not suspicious for voting Morb, I can push his mislynch today. It just works out better. How would you know? Anything can happen and it baffled me that I got off the hook on D1 because of some apparent scumslip that morb made about lurkers != scum
Because I've played scum once before, and I know that's what I would have done. It just makes sense. I'm not worried about coming off scummy, that's why I'd rather get Morb lynched for information rather than go with a no-lynch and push Thrawn.
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On December 20 2012 03:11 JieXian wrote:
WIFOM
I'll give you that one, but it's true.
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On December 20 2012 03:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:08 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:02 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I refer:
If I was scum I would have pushed the Thrawn lynch no matter what. Morb dies, I can flame at everyone and push his mislynch today. It's just the better choice. As town, I don't want to see a mislynch. I have to consolidate and realize that my Thrawn case had zero traction in the thread.
If you can't see that, JX, I'm sorry. ? You can't push his mislynch as scum because you started the huge case This makes no sense. The optimal scum play is to push the Thrawn lynch. It has NO chance to actually go through. I'm not suspicious for voting Morb, I can push his mislynch today. It just works out better. How would you know? Anything can happen and it baffled me that I got off the hook on D1 because of some apparent scumslip that morb made about lurkers != scum Because I've played scum once before, and I know that's what I would have done. It just makes sense. I'm not worried about coming off scummy, that's why I'd rather get Morb lynched for information rather than go with a no-lynch and push Thrawn. You realise, a no-lynch in a scenario where certain people want the lynch can also be very telling. And telling us that you'd have played differently if you were scum while having previously said that you always play this way seems a little bit like a slip.
No, it can't be telling. We have no clue of Morb's alignment then. Could be town pushing for scum lynch, town pushing for town lynch, scum pushing for mislynch, we can't put anything together without a flip.
The only thing I said I "play this way" is buddying my top town read, as town. I'm usually more vindictive about my reads, but with all of this shitflinging and IRL stuff I haven't had time.
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On December 20 2012 03:13 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote:
holy fuck you guys spam like no other.
can you stop clogging the thread with worthless back and forths maybe? ill be back in like an hour I didn't realise that his scumslip was worthless information.
You're really probing for stuff that isn't there.
There is no scumslip... I can't even begin to fathom where I've done a scumslip.
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On December 20 2012 03:20 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:13 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote:
holy fuck you guys spam like no other.
can you stop clogging the thread with worthless back and forths maybe? ill be back in like an hour I didn't realise that his scumslip was worthless information. You're really probing for stuff that isn't there. There is no scumslip... I can't even begin to fathom where I've done a scumslip. You said if you were scum you'd have played differently, yet previously you said you always play the same... That's a pretty big slip.
Where did I say I always play the same. Go.
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On December 20 2012 03:23 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 14:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On Djo and Hapa
They really do seem to be the most clear-headed in this thread. I buddied Hapa because he's my strongest town read. I always do that in every game -- just ask me for a few examples.
As town, I ALWAYS buddy my top town read.
This has nothing to do WITH THE REST OF MY PLAY.
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On December 20 2012 03:25 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 03:23 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 14:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On Djo and Hapa
They really do seem to be the most clear-headed in this thread. I buddied Hapa because he's my strongest town read. I always do that in every game -- just ask me for a few examples. As town, I ALWAYS buddy my top town read. This has nothing to do WITH THE REST OF MY PLAY. I didn't realise there was anything more to your play... Aside from raging at people.
And I didn't realise you were doing anything useful this entire game. The only thing you've done is push my mislynch, rage, and use terrible logic.
I really don't want to flip out again. Djo is right about the stubborn idiots part. I'm done talking for now.
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On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place.
DYH or myself. Those are the choices. Pick one.
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On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee...
<3 French
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If I'm lynched, do my witchcraft votes still count? -.-
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On December 20 2012 04:15 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... <3 French Translation: Go fuck yourself You're the worse shit which I've never played with.
Couldn't have said it better in English.
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On December 20 2012 04:16 Djodref wrote:
I'm sorry for my last post, it's 4am here, I'm fucking tired and this guy is getting on my nerves so badly...
I'm going to take a short nap before the deadline..
And now you know how I felt.
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Who else voted for Kush???
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So nobody else voted for Kush?
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That check could easily be faked Kush trying to save his scumbuddy. Nobody else claims to have voted Kush...
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You could be elected as scum, and be faking the check.
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On December 20 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 05:47 Hapahauli wrote:
Also kush, did you breadcrumb your check on DYH? no i thought about it but then thought it would be dumb because scum could breadcrumb just as easily
But why did you even check DYH? Not someone else like me or Eywa. This seems awfully convenient
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Drazak is going to get modkilled probs...
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On December 20 2012 05:53 Hapahauli wrote:Ugh. Every time I try to reassure myself that Eywa is town, I manage to go back and find shit like this in his filter: Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli.
Lynch lynch lynch xD
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On December 20 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm rather torn on JX though. Because the OMGUS is just suicidal as scum. However the arguments are just so retarded...
Welcome to my friggen world, son.
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Hapa, I personally think you and Djo are town.
JX I think has a decent chance to flip scum. Eywa as well... I do hate that
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ebwop: i do hate that "too stupid" reason, but meh, I've been attacked by both for crap reasons anyway.
Drazak, ugh, so null prolly modkilled
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Well lets say we lynch DYH. Draz gets modkilled. One of the two should flip scum right? The only other teams i could see are JX/Eywa/??
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Shit, just got an urgent call...
I say lynch DYH --- It's the only thing we can do right now.
Eywa / JX prolly scum, just sayin.
I have to go for an hour or so... GL guys
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i don't think we have the townpower right now to coordinate a JX lynch
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It's better than a no-lynch imo, we would still lose with a mislynch tomorrow.
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Crap, gotta go won't be here for flip... GL town
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Hey sexies,
Lynched that scummer, hell yes.
Eywa / JX / Drazak... 2 of those are scummers most likely. I knew there couldn't be this much idiocy on town's side.
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@Eywa
How does it feel to be at 0%?
Love,
Mr. Cheesecake
P.S. Fuck you.
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On December 20 2012 07:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Cheesecake, please reassure me once again that you didn't ragequit as scum. I want to have faith man!
HAVE FAITH!
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Why are you guys forgetting Eywa...
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I really think its between Eywa / JX / Drazak.
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On December 20 2012 07:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I really think its between Eywa / JX / Drazak. CC, I need you to do more than throw some names around. Build cases pl0x.
Ugh, that takes work man... jeeze. Fine I'll do some in a bit.
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On December 20 2012 07:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 07:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 20 2012 07:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I really think its between Eywa / JX / Drazak. CC, I need you to do more than throw some names around. Build cases pl0x. Ugh, that takes work man... jeeze. Fine I'll do some in a bit. Sorry bro, faith can't completely vindicate you. I need some substance, and you've had... 1 case this game...
Thats more than JX / Eywa / Drazak combined?
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On December 20 2012 07:59 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 07:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 07:57 Hapahauli wrote:On December 20 2012 07:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 07:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 20 2012 07:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I really think its between Eywa / JX / Drazak. CC, I need you to do more than throw some names around. Build cases pl0x. Ugh, that takes work man... jeeze. Fine I'll do some in a bit. Sorry bro, faith can't completely vindicate you. I need some substance, and you've had... 1 case this game... Thats more than JX / Eywa / Drazak combined? Yes, but it's still less than I'm used to seeing out of your newbie games.
So busy D:. Luckily I have time tonight. TO THE BATCAVE
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Eywa is SCUM
Just read up on it!
Here is Eywa's entrance post:
On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask.
He votes Hapa for jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon. Personally, I think this is a garbage vote because Hapa was making cases, not sheeping onto a bandwagon. I ask him to explain himself.
On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea.
On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you.
Just go read up on it bro. I'm not making a case, fuck that. Towns goal is to convince others that your target is scum. Eywa never does this, just drops his vote because Hapa is inspecting many different players. This play is generally anti-town.
On December 17 2012 02:04 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. I notify him of this, I urge him to make a case: Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. One read through is enough. I thought that by definition, in order to participate, you'd have to be willing to read the thread. By saying you're not doing so, you just discredit your entire argument about thrawn even though some aspects may be valid.
He denies, says we should just be reading the thread... He even twists my words and says that I wasn't reading! I never once mentioned that I didn't read. He's throwing his own arrogant assumption upon me, because I'm telling him he should justify his read.
Morb is TOWN DKLSDAF!
This is Eywa's entire reasoning for his townread on Morb... Oh wait, there is none. Nowhere can I find his reasoning for not lynching him. He just says:
On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent.
and
On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member.
Why does he think Morb is town?
Then, he uses this garbage reasoning to gain town credit by flaming everyone.
On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote:
Q: Which townie predicted this?
A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member.
On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours)
Again, he states that Morb was on "obvious townie" in order to attack Hapa:
On December 17 2012 07:59 Eywa- wrote:
Let's do the math,
First you target 5-6 people without justification and just ask for people to jump on them
Second, you argue to keep votes on a certain person who was obviously a civilian
Said civilian is lynched, you run off saying it was the right decision because it's best to lynch someone than nobody
And now you're targeting me with really no grounds to go off of other than a simple grudge.
Why was Morb an "obvious townie"? He never gives any explanation. Only to scum was he an obvious town.
In addition, Eywa also called Kush an obvious obvtownie but then later said he was suspicious. How does he know all these people are town? He even called DYH obviously a civilian. Either he's just blind or redic confirmation biased.
Y'all SUCK, 50% error rates, 0% finding scum rates! Jeeze!
On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious.
What does Hapa's record of finding scum have anything to do with him being town? This is not a way to find scum, and it's anti-town in general. He's just attacking Hapa for promoting the lynch of Morb. It makes no sense.
same thing here:
On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in.
Then, he goes and keeps face-banging into me about how I haven't found scum yet. Note: He hasn't either. What reason does he think I'm scum otherwise? Nothing. He just trolls around the thread going:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 10:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Obviously the people you push for are generally scum... Given you've never yet picked one out your record is about... 0% On December 18 2012 10:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Screaming that he's lying =/= good way to figure out if someone's scum. Be quiet while I try and get productive answers from people. I'm just saying, when someone has a 0% guess rate, they're generally scum... It's not that hard to link the dots. On December 18 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. I'm sorry, is the math of finding out who has a lower guess rate than 0% difficult? Let's run a simple exercise... I have 10 apples, I give you none. How many less apples could I have given you? On December 18 2012 11:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. Just ignore him. This conversation is between you and me right now, and I'm not interested in having Eywa shit up the thread again. I'm sorry, I didn't realise his PROVEN 0% guess rate was a secret. On December 18 2012 11:10 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Well you didn't do much yesterday other than address "Eywa bullshit" and hard defend me. The lack of scumhunting outside your D1 case on thrawn is rather disturbing. And tunneling Eywa really doesn't satisfy the "scumhunting" quota. Whatever. Tired of this " I didn't do anything D1" Bullshit. Neither did Eywa. I'm busy helping amend this fucking school shooting in CT, maybe you've heard of it? I don't have time to deal with you fucking retards (Eywa, not you Hapa) Go die if you don't understand it, because I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I'm just going to park my vote on Eywa, because he's scum. Join me if you want to. I just don't know what to say. If Eywa is town I have no faith in the intelligence of humanity. /endrage You mean... In the intelligence of a being which has yet to guess right? you're still at 0% On December 18 2012 11:12 Eywa- wrote:
P.S. I'm too fucking busy for this game and your bullshit, stop asking me (The only question I've been asked all game) shit because I've had enough of this game! I'm going to shoot a Civilian and go back to helping out my School. Fuck you guys, I know how to count an 0/3 is definitely higher than 0%! FUCK
What does this have ANYTHING to do with me being scum? He's been asked many times to provide a case on why exactly he thinks I'm mafia... but he refuses to do so. Just screams SCUM SCUM SCUM at me. Sorry, bro, you're wrong. You're the one at 0% now.
Flip-Flop on JX
On December 18 2012 07:26 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:24 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir! I've posted why JieXian is scum. Several times. In my filter. JieXian wasn't voting for people he thought was scum. He voted the top scumread of his top scumread (thrawn, instead of voting CC). When I called him out for it, he flipped a shit and omgus'd me. He's scum dawg. Let's not forget your scum slip... Your uncontrollable rage... Your obsessions which are generally wrong. You've never guessed anything right in this game, let the big boys call the shots now and wait for your turn to be executed. I'm not against voting off Jie Xian, but I want to kill Cheesecake first because he's actually mafia.
JX would be a great lynch!
On December 18 2012 07:30 Eywa- wrote:
Here is my voting list:
Given that Cheesecurd is 100% scum and we need a scum gone, he's dead now.
Given that Hapahauli wants to have a shot at proving innocence before he is bi-headed, next goes jie xian
If Jie is guilty, we kill Kush, if Jie is not guilty, we kill hapahauli
1) Cheesedip
2) Jie Xian <--- Second in line to be lynched
3) hapahauli
JX probs scum, gotta lynch him after dat cheeseguy
On December 18 2012 08:16 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to.
These posts are in the time frame of an hour...
WHY THE FLIP-FLOP BRAH?
Scumslips, etc.
He's made them. For the sake of brevity, I won't repost them.
General Thread Contribution
He has 13 pages where he has managed to do what? Tunnel me and Hapa and call us two + Djo the scumteam. Lol. Most of his filter is inflammatory remarks towards the entire town, or me in particular. It's disgusting and so anti-town I can barely describe it without a red pen.
Just something I noticed
On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:They used it on Hapahauli.
*Cringe* How does he know...
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THERE IS ONE SAVING GRACE
On December 17 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa, Eywa is totes always right about everything. Shouldn't we listen to him? You had better hope we are right about Eywa, because if we aren't you look exactly like a gloating scum who is buddying hapa.
DYH looks like he was posturing for a Eywa lynch. He knows he would flip town, and have justification to lynch me. This is the only reason I would consider not lynching Eywa right now, because of this post from the confirmed scum.
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Okay, so some other stuff.
DYH had a case on JX day 1 and was very quick to put his vote on him. For this reason, I don't think JX is scum -- purely on association. I don't think his scumbuddy would be that quick to bus him: JX was in very real danger of being lynched D1.
That said, it could have been a quick bus, but personally as scum I would have waited / pushed a different lynch. His case and vote were too early to be scum bussing scum imo.
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That was just what I could come up with from memory. There was some stuff I left out like his flip-flop read on Kush, etc. Going to be reconsidering my reads on other people as well, like Djo, who I've had as a town read for a while now.
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On December 20 2012 10:11 MrZentor wrote:
We should so kill Drazerk.
Point in truth, the only thing he's done this game is begin the Morb mislynch wagon.
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Scum Kush is definitely possible, but unlikely. By giving his whole town read speech on me, he narrowed his choices that day to DYH only. Had he not done that, he would have had justification to lynch me instead. I don't think he'd but himself in that circumstance.
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Nope. Pretty obvious if you ask me.
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What do you make of Eywa Djo
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On December 16 2012 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Jiexian (6) - thrawn2112, DarthPunk, [redDoYouHas, MrZentor, Hapahauli, Morbidius
MrZentor (1) - JieXian
DarthPunk (1) - Djodref
Morbidius (1) - Drazak
Not Voting (4) - kushm4sta, Eywa-, threesr, Mr. Cheesecake
Currently nobody is set to be lynched!
With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is in 21.5 hours at Sunday, Dec 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure to vote and to cast your secret witchcraft votes by then. Anyone who has not voted by the end of the day will be subject to moderator action.
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Do you think it's likely that DYH would bus his scumbuddy so early? He was only the third on him. Truth be told, he did hop off his wagon quickly for the morb lynch.
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On December 16 2012 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Jiexian (6) - thrawn2112, DarthPunk, DoYouHas, MrZentor, Hapahauli, Morbidius
MrZentor (1) - JieXian
DarthPunk (1) - Djodref
Morbidius (1) - Drazak
Not Voting (4) - kushm4sta, Eywa-, threesr, Mr. Cheesecake
Currently nobody is set to be lynched!
With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is in 21.5 hours at Sunday, Dec 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure to vote and to cast your secret witchcraft votes by then. Anyone who has not voted by the end of the day will be subject to moderator action.
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On December 20 2012 11:42 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 11:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 16 2012 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Vote Count!
Jiexian (6) - thrawn2112, DarthPunk, [redDoYouHas, MrZentor, Hapahauli, Morbidius
MrZentor (1) - JieXian
DarthPunk (1) - Djodref
Morbidius (1) - Drazak
Not Voting (4) - kushm4sta, Eywa-, threesr, Mr. Cheesecake
Currently nobody is set to be lynched!
With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.
The deadline is in 21.5 hours at Sunday, Dec 16 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) aka 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Please make sure to vote and to cast your secret witchcraft votes by then. Anyone who has not voted by the end of the day will be subject to moderator action.
Do you think it's likely that DYH would bus his scumbuddy so early? He was only the third on him. Truth be told, he did hop off his wagon quickly for the morb lynch. It was still early in the day, giving Jx a lot of time to talk himself out of his lynch. Or try to switch the lynch onto a lurker. And if Jx made a scumslip, DYH would have looked good after his lynch. Being the Priest, he could have lurked his way into this game. I don't see why it would innocent Jx. Jx tried to derail DYH into MrZentor, that DYH was aslo tunneling. And Jx has been strangely obsessed with Hapa today, and kept speculating again and again and again. So, yeah, I have Jx as scum way before Eywa... [/red]
Can you provide an example of this? Where did JX try to derail DYH?
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Ohhh I see what you mean Djo. I misinterpreted your wording there when you said derailed. Intereting.
Aruging has a negative connotation to it, imo.
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It's okay kushy-boy I still wuv you.
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On December 20 2012 12:41 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 12:27 kushm4sta wrote:
why aren't you answering my question tho djo... how can your biggest scumread be of an unreadable lurker? He is not unreadable. He has done zero scumhunting, and he has clearly shown very little interest in this game, very similar to DYH play in fact. And, if we proceed by elimination, he has more chances to flip scum than other players in this game, at the exception of JieXan. By the way, I didn't say he was my top scumread, I've said that he had the most chances to flip scum at that moment, and it was before checking JieXan's filter... Please also answer my questions. You have been avoiding too many questions addressed to you in this game, Kush. What do you make of Jx right now ? Could you show me any post where you hint that you were blue, or that you had a green check on DYH ?
Hapa did this already, methinks.
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DP won witchcraft... Kush won witchcraft... Who was the third?
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Hmm JX/draz scum would fit very well. JX is up for lynch draz starts the lurker wagon, DYH hops on ASAP
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On December 20 2012 15:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:43 Keirathi wrote:
Vote Count!
DoYouHas (5) - Hapahauli, MrZentor, Mr. Cheesecake, Djodref, kush
MrZentor (2) - DoYouHas, Eywa-, JieXian
Mr. Cheesecake (1) - JieXian
Not Voting (1) - Drazak
With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Currently DoYouHas is set to be lynched!
This is my scumteam at the moment. I don't think anyone on the DYH wagon was scum. It was very difficult to put together, and everyone consolidating at the end felt very townie and genuine. In addition, I can't see where mafia would have bussed DYH. The counterwagons were sufficiently strong where going on DYH was not a straightforward play. Drazak seems like a pretty straightforward scum candidate. Fairly useless, no scumhunting, etc. Hopefully he gets modkilled so we can see him flip. Between Eywa and JieXian, I'm leaning towards JieXian for a couple of reasons. 1) It feels like JieXian was just stuck in attack-mode all game for no reason. His play can only be described as purposefully antagonistic. Him switching between Mr.CC and MrZ shows lots of anti-town motive, and reads a lot like a guy going all-out to save DYH. 2) When I was attacking JieXian early in the game, he buddied Eywa and thought he was town for zero rationale. He was treating Eywa as if he knew Eywa would flip town. 3) DYH's suspicion on Eywa suggests that Eywa is town. DYH was very comfortable with the idea that "Eywa was scummy", and didn't back off until early D2 when Eywa was playing far more constructive. It reads a lot like DYH was fueling the fires of a mislynch.
Totally forgot about that. Combined with the fact that DYH was setting up for my lynch if I lynched Eywa, I think that team pretty much makes sense. I don't see a team where JX isn't scum.
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And I already know JX will come and attack me for not following through on the Eywa case. Prolly call me scum in big capital red letters, demand that it's a scumslip, etc etc.
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On December 20 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:I really put some effort in this case guys... So I would really appreciate that we discuss JieXian seriously. I have thought of some other points to bring against him but I would like to see if anyone is going to mention them or not A lot of these points are also valid against Eywa, but Eywa did lynch DYH at the end, and there is less occurrences where he defends him. Please refer to the discussion between Hapa and him when they start to discuss Eywa's reads. + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent.
I'm 100% certain that either JX or Eywa is scum. If JX somehow flips green, Eywa is totally flipping red. Don't think we'll have a problem here, will totally support a JX lynch tomorrow. However, if Eywa ends up being the scum, I'm putting you as his scumbuddy over Drazak
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On December 21 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:I really put some effort in this case guys... So I would really appreciate that we discuss JieXian seriously. I have thought of some other points to bring against him but I would like to see if anyone is going to mention them or not A lot of these points are also valid against Eywa, but Eywa did lynch DYH at the end, and there is less occurrences where he defends him. Please refer to the discussion between Hapa and him when they start to discuss Eywa's reads. + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. I'm 100% certain that either JX or Eywa is scum. If JX somehow flips green, Eywa is totally flipping red. Don't think we'll have a problem here, will totally support a JX lynch tomorrow. However, if Eywa ends up being the scum, I'm putting you as his scumbuddy over Drazak In fact, I think that you have to explain me your whole reasoning for all theses hypothesis. I don't understand where you are coming from here.
Woa there buddy, calm yourself. Don't get all defensive. You only voted DYH because you had to. You're still less of a suspect than either of those guys. You want Drazak/JX dead apparently, and seem to defend Eywa. So does Hapa, actually, but Eywa + you would make at least a little sense. We're going to lynch JX so we'll see how that goes mmkay?
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The two of them being scum together, whew, that would actually be great. I would be restored in the faith of humanity.
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On December 21 2012 02:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 02:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 21 2012 02:18 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 20 2012 21:43 Djodref wrote:I really put some effort in this case guys... So I would really appreciate that we discuss JieXian seriously. I have thought of some other points to bring against him but I would like to see if anyone is going to mention them or not A lot of these points are also valid against Eywa, but Eywa did lynch DYH at the end, and there is less occurrences where he defends him. Please refer to the discussion between Hapa and him when they start to discuss Eywa's reads. + Show Spoiler [for reference] +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. I'm 100% certain that either JX or Eywa is scum. If JX somehow flips green, Eywa is totally flipping red. Don't think we'll have a problem here, will totally support a JX lynch tomorrow. However, if Eywa ends up being the scum, I'm putting you as his scumbuddy over Drazak In fact, I think that you have to explain me your whole reasoning for all theses hypothesis. I don't understand where you are coming from here. Woa there buddy, calm yourself. Don't get all defensive. You only voted DYH because you had to. You're still less of a suspect than either of those guys. You want Drazak/JX dead apparently, and seem to defend Eywa. So does Hapa, actually, but Eywa + you would make at least a little sense. We're going to lynch JX so we'll see how that goes mmkay? In fact, we still have plenty of time, and hopefully drazak is going to get modkilled. I'm very interested to see what Eywa and JieXian are coming to come up with this night and also tomorrow. And I'm to decide then who is going to be lynched among them. So I'm not going to be totally rigid on who we should lynch. But, if I had to do it right now, it would be in that order: JieXan first, Drazak second and then Eywa/Kush.
And yeah, sorry, but I hate the idea to be associated with Eywa...
Wouldn't we all be ashamed to be associated... haha.
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On December 21 2012 02:59 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 02:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The two of them being scum together, whew, that would actually be great. I would be restored in the faith of humanity. @ CheeseYeah, but I don't want you to figure out who is scum so you can preserve your faith in your humanity. What would be the most likely scumteam for you ?
Think I said it before, JX/drazak makes the most sense for me ATM.
JX is in danger of lynch, drazak starts the lurker wagon. That's all he's done this game and it fits quite well assuming JX is scum. Second scumteam would be Eywa/kush... I'm leaning off you right now.
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On December 21 2012 03:08 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 21 2012 02:59 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 02:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The two of them being scum together, whew, that would actually be great. I would be restored in the faith of humanity. @ CheeseYeah, but I don't want you to figure out who is scum so you can preserve your faith in your humanity. What would be the most likely scumteam for you ? Think I said it before, JX/drazak makes the most sense for me ATM. JX is in danger of lynch, drazak starts the lurker wagon. That's all he's done this game and it fits quite well assuming JX is scum. Second scumteam would be Eywa/kush... I'm leaning off you right now. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 13:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hmm JX/draz scum would fit very well. JX is up for lynch draz starts the lurker wagon, DYH hops on ASAP This post... Okay ! You meant morbidius wagon. I thought you were talking about the end of D2. Interesting... I'll have to look into it. Why are you suddenly leaning off me ?
Forgot about your rage against Eywa >.> lol
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On December 16 2012 08:14 drazak wrote:
Wat. I don't think anyone is sheeping on him. I really don't like how you're sheeping on him and agreeing that you're sheeping. You don't seem to have a lot of real reason for your vote other than sheeping, and I really don't like taht.
##vote Morbidius
Votes morb for sheeping onto the JX lynch (even when that's what a ton of others already did)
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@JX
Who should we lynch tomorrow?
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I'd say Mr.Z + hapa, Djo and Kush are likely town but on the tilt. I'm town. JX is scum. You're likely scum. Eywa might be scum.
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On December 21 2012 04:30 ghost_403 wrote:
*checks role PM*
...no.
So convincing. We'll see about that.
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On December 21 2012 05:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:46 kushm4sta wrote:
hapa open your mind ok? also day post is at 5 am i right? Open your mind... for what?
INCEPTION
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Kush, I don't much like meta cases to begin with, but the comparison of the two cases reads kinda null for me. The second post does seem to use a few more 'buts' and 'kind ofs' but still has that strong overtone where he bolds stuff like weird and scummy.
Also, he's flammed with Eywa and wants to lynch JX and Draz... who's his scumbud?.
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On December 21 2012 06:21 kushm4sta wrote:K im just going to make this a series and publish it in installments. Djo's behavior gets scummier and scummier the closer to the lynch it is. This is about d1 lynch: Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 13:46 Djodref wrote:For the moment, I want to lynch JieXan today. I wouldn't mind lynching MrZ or Kush as well, but I'm less confident in these lynches. If we cannot consolidate on them, we have to lynch a lurker/inactive player. Here are now my candidates to a policy lynch- Morbidius
- Eywa
- threesr
- Mr. Cheesecake
I have another game running and so I'm not going to participate here so much anymore because I need to put a lot of effort in this other game right now. So he is ok with lynching SEVEN people. Basically everyone except DYH ofc.
Now this is damning.
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I'll just have to check jx with my epic blue power
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The scum shot can't be RB'd? Correct me if im wrong
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Well guess who they're killing now t.t i'll see you on the other side
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If I die, that blue claim was just wifom; I have no powers.
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Nice Mr. Z -- you will not die in vain.
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Well we should have a check, right?
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Eywa djo scumteam? That fake rage?
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Yeah, it's a really weak-hearted bus if he's scum.
I also see cases for a ton of people from him, but no DYH or Eywa. You'd figure he'd make one for Eywa considering he was pooping up the thread with, well, poop. He also defends Eywa constantly, saying "I don't think his scumteam would let him act like that."
If the scumteam is DYH, Djo, Eywa they really have someone from all walks of life -- The townie scum (djo), the lurky scum (DYH), and the obvious scum (Eywa).
OMG just found this
On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:JieXian is Scum !
We have to lynch him tomorrow !
^ I did that exact shit to push his mislynch as scum in our newbie together. Being like OMG WE GOTTA LYNCH THIS GUY
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Keep in mind, I'm still entertaining the fact of a JX/Eywa scumteam. Like, that would be my dreams come true.
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So,
Hapa = town
Me = town
Kush = Hopefully town
Ghost = town
Eywa = Scum
Djo = Possible Scum
JX = Possible scum
With the recent check, and Kush's mentionings of Djo, the way I see the two possible scumteams are:
Eywa / Djo
or
Eywa / JX
Either way, I think we should lynch Eywa. Revenge.
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Idk how you're not sure I'm town, but okay.
Already gave an abridged case on Eywa, So i'll do the same for Djo in relations to Eywa + DYH
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Going to park my vote in the meantime, both scumteam predictions of mine include Eywa.
##Vote: Eywa
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So: Who got the second blue?
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I voted for Djo. I assumed Mr. Z would die.
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Plus, he said he had no powers... he would have vetted up if he did imo.
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hey kush, who'd you vote for blue?
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Okay, so the three candidate for scum are Djodref, Eywa, and JieXian. Everyone else is pretty much confirmed town at this point (barring myself).
Two of these guys pretty much has to be scum. I will be looking at their interactions with each other.
Notes
- Djo doesn't want to lynch DYH. Scumtell? Maybe. But I highly doubt he would give a huge post about me being town and force himself down the road of bussing his scumbuddy. I think if he were to bus, he would have been way more forceful with it. His Kush mislynch was obviously not catching traction, and a scum Djo would have just bussed and went along for the ride. He genuinely seems to believe that Kush is scum over DYH.
- Djo isn't that scummy on his own. Scumhunting, general thread contribution, he's the least scummy of the three up for lynch today. Not telling, but something.
- Eywa thinks scumteam is Djo / Hapa / Myself
- JieXian thinks scumteam is Hapa / Myself
- Eywa and JieXian are both very scummy on their own merit, and do NOT vote for DYH in the end. Especially Eywa. He thinks he has the scumteam all figured out, but votes for Mr.Z...? Both of them have scumslips and defend each other.
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Djo + JieXian scumteam - Highly Unlikely
Djo has had it out for JX the entire game. He has a case D1 and a vote. And now he wants to lynch him today. A majority of Djo's filter is aruging with JX and highlighting him as scum. Here are Djo's cases against him for reference:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
JieXian
I'll tunnel and then I'll tunnel, but I'm also going to back it up with some speculation
IntroI'm glad to introduce you my new case against JieXian. I'm going to present you the following points which are proving that JieXian is scum.- His Opening Post with his scumslip
- Cheese's Tunnel with lack of real case
- Hapa's Tunnel with lack of real case and speculation
- Lynch Derailments
- Association with DYH
Part I --- His OP with le scumslip
I'd like to remind you here my previous case against JieXian. I've updated it a little, but it is still standing. + Show Spoiler [Jiexian's scumslip] +
JieXan
Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. Some additional comments: JieXian didn't state at all that he had town reads on DP and Hapa in the first post. If he had town reads, why not explaining his townreads first, and then counterbalancing them with the small things he found suspicious ? Also why enter the thread by giving town reads ? The answer is that this post was meant to spread suspicion on DP and Hapa. The problem (for JX), is the scumslip.Please also not the vote for MrZentor for a very weak reason, and that MrZentor has also been pushed by DYH.
Part II --- Cheese's Tunnel
Here are the reasons I could find which JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Cheese. - Cheese didn't push his thrawn lynch and dropped it
- Cheese didn't vote thrawn with JieXian when he provoked him to do so
I think that Cheese defense was quite reasonable against these points. His lack of time to push the thrawn lynch and the lack of interest of the town into lynching thrawn were reasonable arguments. The fact that Cheese didn't want to risk a no-lynch to follow a vote on thrawn which made little sense from JieXian's perspective is perfectly acceptable and is quite pro-town. I'm not going to explain here why no-lynches are bad for town, at the exception of MYLO situation, but we can develop this point in the post game if you want. And yet, JieXian proceeded to clutter the thread forcefully with his obsession of Cheese, avoiding constructive discussion on the subject. He dismissed any argument that we presented supporting a town Cheese: Hapa, Kush and me have made some posts in CC's favor and we got no comment on them. Just some "lol, you are scum with CC" type of comments. He didn't want to discuss the fact that preventing a no-lynch is rather pro-town than anti-town. Here is the case which allowed JieXian to call scum all game. Do I need to remind you that Cheese was DYH's contender for the lynch ? JieXian was pushing his scum agenda here. + Show Spoiler [JieXan's case] +On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? Pretty weak to call someone scum during all game...
Part III --- Hapa's Tunnel
I'm not sure if I really understood the reasons that JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Hapa. - Hapa made a contradiction(?) and never addressed it
- Hapa is scum with Cheese (all of this before any flip of course)
- Hapa is scum because he should be dead if he was town (based on speculation)
First of all, it was obvious that Hapa's lynch was not going to happen. But by cluttering the thread, barking that Hapa was scum, JieXian is achieving the following objectives. He disrupts the thread and creates a bad atmosphere in the town, while discrediting the strongest town player of this game. He also diverts the attention from DYH's lynch which was gaining some momentum. Please also note, that once again, he's avoiding constructive discussion on Hapa. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:20 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote:
ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense No, speculation is speculation. I called it stupid before but this thread had enough flaming already. But when speculation points toward conclusions that is really likely to be wrong (ie, Hapa is scum), it means that the assumptions you are making are wrong. If you are seriously believing that Hapa is scum, please present me a short list of arguments supporting this theory.
Could you do that for me ? Guess what, I've never got this short list of arguments. Nor a proper case against Hapa. And he could never admit that his speculation was certainly bad. Like, Hapa has been voted blue because DP was ! Him being so obsessed with this leads me to think that he is the Witch Hunter and that he has maybe tried to shoot DP and Hapa at the beginning of N1. The speculation achieves two objectives: making townies doubting Hapa and encouraging them to talk about their votes, if the mafia team has still a bullet. It is soft-bluehunting, if you want...
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part.
Part V --- Association with DYH
I don't think that I have to mention again that JieXian forcefully tried to get DYH out of the lynch. But, on top of that we have all this posts where JieXian is defending DYH. + Show Spoiler [Jx posts to try to save DYH] +On December 20 2012 06:43 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 06:30 MrZentor wrote:
Switch to Hap? LOL ##unvote
##vote dyhI would have been better off masoning i thought you had a check on dyh? Here is tried to get Kush on his side, and he finally tries to vote MrZentor (?!) with the worst reason ever... On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
That makes at least 4 mafia in this game, with most of them being really looking townies, even before DYH flips. And before that we had On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP To try to get people vote you I guess. And also look how he tries to talk MrZentor out of DYH lynch... On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote:
ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense On December 20 2012 02:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? wth ? he thought I was scum and let go and he still thinks eywa is scum I also found this one, which I really like Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
And here comes JieXian answer ^^ Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh No you !
Conclusion
JieXian is Scum !
We have to lynch him tomorrow !
Djo has been pushing for his lynch all game. I find it highly unlikely that these two are both scum. If Djo is truly scum, he would not be pushing for his buddy's lynch now of all times. A JX + Djo scumteam is very unlikely.
Djo + Eywa scumteam - Possible
In general, these two have been very antagonistic the entire game. Djo votes Eywa, Eywa thinks Djo is in the scumteam with me and Hapa... Djo flips out on him, etc. Here are some examples:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote:
I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush.
GG guys,
Y u no concede ? This snippet is taken from his case on Kush. He really prefers a Eywa lynch, however. If they were scumbuddies, why would Djo push the bus instead of the mislynch? It doesn't really make any sense. On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 Votes Eywa hastily on D2. On December 18 2012 08:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made). Your cases are shit... See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now. Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake. Discredits Eywa, calls his cases shit. Then, Eywa calls Djo scumteam with me + Hapa, and here is his response: On December 18 2012 13:31 Djodref wrote:
WTF ! Suddendly I'm scum ?
I'm not here to participate into your shitfest and that makes me scum ?
Let me be clear
I live in South Korea, most of the discussion here happens at night for me
I have another game going on wich requires much attention and time for me
I don't want to participate into this kind of discussions
I provided some good cases that almost everybody has dismissed or discarded
If you think I'm scum, you have to write a case against me. Something I could answer to.
I cannot accept to let you throw away 'Djodref is possible scum' or 'Djodref is scum' comments like this.
But I'm glad that this shitfest is over, seriously...
This doesn't really look like two teammates purposefully fighting the thread. On December 18 2012 22:45 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:
*snip*
Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while.
*snip* What I'm doing is called scumhunting. I'm giving criminal cases on the people I'm suspicious of, to gauge their defense, and also to start constructive discussion about them from all the members. The problem here is that nobody commented nor addressed my cases so far. It doesn't make me scum, it should make me town. That's why I was keeping asking you for a "criminal case" against Cheesecake. I've read your cases but I didn't like them because I didn't understand what you were trying to prove. I like lists and concision. So could you make a list with your main points against Cheesecake, please ? More fighting between the two. On December 19 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:56 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 12:51 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:25 Djodref wrote:
@ Eywa
Who would be your scumteam right now ? If I revealed, there'd be a lesser chance of killing Cheesecake. Do you have time to discuss about Cheesecake now ? Can you make me a list with your strongest points again him ? What didn't you like in my post and Hapa's post on CC ? No He's Scum I don't remember  Dear Eywa, Believe me or not, but I'm town. If you are town, you are going to need my vote against CC, if you are really certain that he is scum, so your job should be to convince me that he is indeed scum. I've explained why I thought he was town, althought I'm not totally sure of it. I'm open to discuss anything. On the other hand, I do believe that Kush is scum, and I think that I've provided good points to show it. So I would like to discuss a Kush lynch with you. See, I have town interest in mind. Could we discuss for real now ? On December 20 2012 03:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? I'm done talking to you... On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list More fighting, I really don't see them as scumbuddies right now. On December 20 2012 03:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list Assume you're right, wouldn't they vote for Mr.Cheesecake? That'd make 5. And then we just lynch them one by one in the following days ? All of them have no fucking reason to lynch CC. On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... Final rage post.
This could have all been orchestrated, but I find it unlikely. The only merit a Djo + Eywa scumteam has is the Djo defends him:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please...
Eywa + JieXian scumteam - Most likely
Okay, everyone seems to be saying they don't think this is the case. Pray tell me, why? Too obvious? I don't know.
Just look at this post:
On December 17 2012 21:44 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 14:28 Hapahauli wrote:I'll post something tomorrow afternoon at longer length. Off the top of my head...
DYH's play has been very non-involved. He pops in, offers a consensus opinion, and pops out. I'm not sure if he's scum, but he's one to keep an eye out for.
I still think JieXian is mafia. Despite his defense, his voting antics are really really strange. He ends up voting you (Thrawn) at the end of the day and I have no idea where his scumread came from. He was very suspicious of Mr. Cheesecake, had his vote parked on him, then out of nowhere does this: On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentorJustifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him ... so he votes the candidate that one of his top scumreads is pushing? Errrrrrrrg. JieXian justifies his vote with this... On December 17 2012 06:13 JieXian wrote:I was challenging mr cc if he'd remove his vote as he seemed ready to vote for thrawn On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. and he's getting more and more contradictory as he posts ... but it's pretty unconvincing. He voted thrawn to "dare" Mr. Cheesecake to vote him? I'm not really buying it - it reads a lot like JieXian doesn't give a shit about who dies.
lol what kind of an idiot would still think I'm scum after all that? you're not stupid like kush so you're just keeping your NK options open between me and eywa with your ludicrous read on him
He's buddying together himself and Eywa, calling Hapa's read ludicrous and him an idiot.
And here's this:
On December 18 2012 00:00 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 21:31 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real saw that? hapa and mrcc are definitely scumbuddies @ JieXianSo, according to you, MrZentor, Hapa ans Cheesecake are the scumteam, right ? And that makes Eywa town... I strongly disagree with you. And I should be town, right ? The problem with your reasoning is that you are making association cases before the flip. If you want to prove that Hapa is scum, you have to make an independent case against him. I want you to show me what is wrong in Hapa's case against eywa. I want you to write a strong case against Hapa. Then you can start to post like you do. If you cannot write your case, it's probably because Hapa is town, as I believe he is, or because yourself is mafia. I'm just asking you to convince me, ok ? I don't know who the 3rd guy is yet, it's either thrawn or mrz. Not sure about you.
OF course eywa is town. Coming up with a case on hapa soon
Yes, of course Eywa is town.
More of JX referring to him and Eywa as a unit. He is defending BOTH himself and Eywa in this post:
On December 18 2012 00:05 JieXian wrote:
Hapa and mrcc won't die to NK
Only me and eywa are going after hapa so they may or may not shoot us due to wifom logic
the rest are clueless sheeps and lurkers which are ready to sheep hapa anytime so they should be kept alive.
If you happen to think you're not a clueless guy, don't prove it to hapa lol stay as clueless as you can please
still don't know who's the third guy
Okay, just look at THIS one:
On December 18 2012 02:46 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now. We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none. On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?
no one Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him? Please convince me and eywa and zentor why
This quote occurs on page 57 of the thread. He asks me to convince people of my argument concerning the witchhunter shot. I have to convince him, okay. I have to convince Zentor, alright he's in this dicussion. I have to convince Eywa... what? Where is he in this conversation? If you look back in the thread a few pages, Eywa is nowhere to be found. His last post is talking about Hapa's "scumslip", nothing to do with the witchhunter shot. Why does JX want me to convice Eywa of something that he's not even discussing?
Okay so I'm going to cut this short and just give a synopsis:
I think JX + Eywa scumteam has a real possibility, and nobody should be discounting it.
Both of these guys refused to consider DYH for a lynch. They buddy each other hardcore and attack me and Hapa, taking every little opportunity to do so and use terribly shit logic. Neither of them voted for Morb, the lurker lynch.
On December 17 2012 06:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Final Vote Count!
Morbidius (8) - Drazak, MrZentor, DP, MrCheesecake, DoYouHas, threesr, Hapahauli, kushm4sta
threesr (1) - Djodref
Mr. Cheesecake (1) - thrawn
MrZentor (1) - Morbidius
Hapahauli (1) - Eywa-
thrawn2112 (1) - Jiexian
Only one scum had to be on the lynch wagon for it to go through. The other two were free to hop on anyone else they wanted to and subsequently flame the town for pushing a mislynch. Admittedly, Djodref is there too, but he does not throw it in anyone's face and accepts it. The two scum, however, have different plans and use this to their advantage by attempting to gain town credit.
Final thoughts
Djo looks scummy mainly because of his reluctance to lynch DYH... but Kush also had reluctance. I don't think this is definitive of a scumtell.
Neither Eywa nor JX pushed the scum lynch. Neither of them have done jack shit this game besides tunnel me or Hapa. Both of them are horrendously anti-town. Scums goal is to pick on the weakest town -- and at the time I was the weakest town, because of my lack of scumhunting and admitted sheeping. Unfortunately for them I had some more time on my hands later in the game. I'm not stupid, and neither is the rest of the town. I really do believe they are the scumteam. Even if it seems too obvious, sometimes that's the solution.
I'm going to vote Eywa because A) He deserves it. B) He's 100% scum C) I'd rather lynch him over Djo right now.
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Apologize for the hasty effort, still fairly busy these days. I really want somebody to convince me that Djo is scum and who his scumbuddy is. Mainly who his scumbuddy would be.
Both Eywa and JX seem to be playing with extra information, and I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch Eywa over Djo right now.
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On December 21 2012 09:29 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it.
I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort. Come guys, Kush basically claimed scum in the thread with this post ! How come the mafia did not shot him at that point ?
Maybe the mafia already shot. We don't know.
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On December 21 2012 09:43 Eywa- wrote:Hey guys, Well this is an interesting scenario... I'm not sure exactly why MrZentor was the one to take the bullet, but I would like to remind you that the mafia doesn't fall far behind at all by losing one, it's 2 mislynches either way. So, I wouldn't be surprised if some scum voted DYH's way... I'll probably be voting with the majority vote today (to avoid getting lynched). Just one thing... What makes me seem like I have extra intel? Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 09:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Apologize for the hasty effort, still fairly busy these days. I really want somebody to convince me that Djo is scum and who his scumbuddy is. Mainly who his scumbuddy would be.
Both Eywa and JX seem to be playing with extra information, and I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch Eywa over Djo right now.
Nice showing up right when I make a post that calls you scum.
The fact that you A) "Know" Morb was town and use it as ammo against the town B) "Know" Kush is Town
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On December 21 2012 09:46 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:42 kushm4sta wrote:
Scumslip is kind of worrisome but it's not in any way definitive... I did the same thing earlier actually. I called you the strongest town. Here as well, you have a self admitted scumslip
Djo I think you should lay off Kush. At least for now.
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djo, shut the fuck up please.
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Y'all gotta stop flailing your arms around like mental patients.
Who is Djo's scumbuddy? Lynch Eywa, Lynch JX. Win game.
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On December 21 2012 10:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 10:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Y'all gotta stop flailing your arms around like mental patients.
Who is Djo's scumbuddy? Lynch Eywa, Lynch JX. Win game. And if Jie Xian isn't scum, then the town loses the game.
One of you guys has to be scum at the very least.
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On December 21 2012 10:06 Eywa- wrote:I'm torn right now... First thought is still obviously you because of your play in general... And the fact you're not dead. Otherwise, I have no scum reads, I can reason as to why each one of these players is scum which is not a good thing at this point, but you're the only one that I can honestly say, should be dead... lol.
What happened to me?
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Hm, surprised he's not facerolling me right now.
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On December 18 2012 02:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Because he's scum. Christ. Haven't we gone over this?
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Anyone else keep going over DYH's filter to find hints of our next scum target? Something I've noticed is that DYH quickly drops his case on JX the second he is able. He also town reads him the entire game afterward, but scum reads Eywa even though they are basically doing the same thing. Just take a gander at his "Mr.Z is SCUM" post. The actions he describes by Eywa and JX are the same, but he town reads JX...
He even provides meta cases to defend him... Debears did this to defend Dandel in our scum game together.
On December 17 2012 05:08 DoYouHas wrote:I agree with DP and MrZ on JieXian. JX's response to being under threat of certain lynch is not what I would have expected from scum. He didn't over react, he pushed his read on MrZ consistantly. And recently he has given advice to another player, called out hapa and thrawn for being quiet, and revamped his defense to not just justify his own posts, but actually put pressure back on his attackers. These are not the actions of a scum who 'slipped' so badly with his first post. Also, look at his past filters. Scum NMMXVIII - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345447&user=39438Town NMMXX - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&user=39438I looked these over, and his play this game looks more like his town game than his scum game. They are both Newbie games and there are only two, so it isn't huge evidence, but it is good supporting evidence. ##Unvote JieXian
Trying to decide the more likely scum between threesr and morbid atm.
JX is also hardcore lurking right meow.
On December 18 2012 07:24 DoYouHas wrote:
Now Eywa and MrZ are trying to drown out a frustrated hapa.
Hapa, read my case on MrZ and let's lynch him. I can't support you on a JX lynch.
Why wouldn't scum DYH push a JX mislynch? Would be easy since Hapa was on board. He could have easily sheeped the JX case and brought up his reasons from earlier into account. Hmmm something smells scumbuddy right here.
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I'm really hesitant to vote Djo right now, simply because I cannot pair him with a scumbuddy. Nobody in this thread makes sense as his scumbuddy, unless you count me as scum, in which case then that makes sense.
The only thing that is scummy about him is his indecision at lynch time, and nothing more. 3 others were reluctant to vote DYH at lynch time, not just him. Hapa, I really do think you're wrong with this one, and calling Kush 99% town simply because he is using good logic is kind of crap. Logic comes from both sides of the spectrum.
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Kush,
I think JX is more scummy looking than Djo. The only thing against Djo really is his reluctance to lynch.
Imo one of them has to be scum. If JX flips town, I'd be sure Djo is scum. But I'm positive JX will flip scum. Would you vote JX with me?
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
I don't think I want to lynch Djo today.
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I'm pretty sure of Eywa being scum, but my 3 candidates stand tall. I Know you really want to lynch djo, but I can't be convinced until I get a JX lynch. JX town = Djo scum. I doubt you'll vote Eywa, what about JX? If he dies and flips town it's djo / Eywa scumteam, we lynch Djo, then we lynch Eywa at the end for the win.
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Hapa,
Think about it. I can't pin him with anyone as a scumbuddy. JX? Tunneled all day. No. Kush, obviously no. Eywa? Possible, but it's highly unlikely. I know what you're thinking "omg cc djo scumteam gggggg" but seriously think about it. Who makes sense as Djo's scumbuddy? Not really anybody.
He's also done a hell of a lot more in this game than most. More than me, Kush, JX, Eywa, drazak (ghost). I had a town read on him early, and I can't see that being forfeit unless somehow JX flips town. I'm set on Eywa being scum because every scumteam I can think of includes him.
Can you propose a scumteam that excludes Eywa?
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On December 22 2012 06:29 Hapahauli wrote:
I can propose scumteams that don't include Eywa, but they're not all that convincing.
Well more on that in the next hour or so - I'm typing something up on Eywa at the moment.
Exactly. None of them make any sense whatsoever.
Hey Kush,
JX lynch?
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On December 22 2012 07:03 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake how about a djo/cheesecake team? does that work?
Yes it does. But once I or him flip town, you're done.
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Fuck it he's not going to bite
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THIS WAS TYPED UP QUICKLY, DON'T EXPECT TOO MUCH ORGANIZATION, BUT MY OPINION STANDS.
I'M ABOUT TO ASK KUSH TO VOTE JX WITH ME. HE KNOWS HE WILL FLIP TOWN. THEN TOWN LYNCHES ME / DJO = SCUMWIN.
IF KUSH VOTES WITH ME FOR JX -- EYWA / KUSH SCUMTEAM GG
On December 22 2012 01:09 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake are you kidding me?
I made the best case in this game by far, and honestly it had nothing to do with my analysis or logic. The only contribution from me was actually going through his filter, because his quotes spoke for themselves..he is that fucking scummy.
If that wasn't enough, there's his reaction, which is basically a scumclaim. His personality changes entirely. He seems angry and panicked. I go from being not his top scumread before the case to being OMG MUST DESTROY after it.
The case is damning, like you said earlier, but its his reaction that makes him confirmed scum.
Cheesecake
I just realized that my defense of him was total balls. It was entirely based on the meta of his first mafia game. So on my agenda is a closer look at cheesecake, which will probably happen later in the day.
Don't flatter yourself. The only thing I saw was a meta case which was questionable and his reluctance to lynch DYH.
I truly believe Djo is Innocent, I cannot pair him up with a scumbuddy. Do JX / Eywa make sense? No, he's pushed for the lynch of JX hardcore and flamed with Eywa, who even called him part of the scumteam. Do I make sense? Yes, I do, but I'm town. Djo's only "scummy quality" is his reluctance to lynch DYH. That's it. If I recall, didn't KUSH actively attempt to PREVENT the DYH lynch?
On December 20 2012 04:31 kushm4sta wrote:
DYH makes sense to me about Mr Z. Mr. Zs play is exactly how I play as scum.. a too scum to be scum mentality.
Like im gonna act so scum that everyone will think no scum would be dumb enough to act like this.
Not really that into lynching DYH today because he's not that much a lurker anymore, and his case against mr z looks good and another reason I'll get into later. ATM i want to look at mr z. brb after goign through his filter.
Trying to protect his scumbuddy.
On December 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
fuck it.
I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort.
FAKECLAIM! Calling it right now. You want to know why he was SAFE to fakeclaim?
On December 19 2012 05:58 kushm4sta wrote:
have people claimed witchcrafy yet?
also hapa do you know that you were shot
Nobody else claimed. He was trying to see if any town were empowered by witchcraft. Thrawn also was likely to be witchcrafted, since I think at least 2 people voted for him. He also knows that at least I voted for him. He is completely safe to make this fakeclaim -- A scry on DYH. And DYH just happened to be the priest, how convenient. The entire situation just seems to convenient for Kush.
He didn't even breadcrumb the god-damned check.
Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX.
On December 20 2012 05:42 kushm4sta wrote:##vote jiexian1 his cases are built on terrible terrible reasoning
2 he knew 100% morbidus wasn't scum..how could town know that??
3 extreme lack of content apart from 1 liners (even worse than me and I have 2 really good excuses)
4 process of eliminationHe kind of reminds me of Dandelion scum. I'd love to lynch djo but I don't think it's realistic today ;_; I'm saving my sick case that will totally convince everyone for tomorrow. Cause there is just so much scumminess hidden in so much bullshit that it's going to take forever to compile all that shit. Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 00:18 JieXian wrote:
sorry for repeating myself but in the spirit of keeping things in 1 place,
thrawn's death solves his problem of having to deliver his promise = to push for him now
ok goodbye everyone going to practice.
Let's not forget hapa's blue shot thing. There's really no WIFOM case here, unlike thrawn's death.
Fact: Everyone thinks hapa and dp are a strong townie except for me and eywa given how they sheeped them and defended hapa when eywa had a case against him D1
Fact : People have voted for the strong townie - DP
Fact : the number of candidates are really small given the huge number of players who were considered lurkers, whom none trusts
Fact : Nobody can come up with a sensible advantage for mafia not to have vigi shot (and also NK) hapa
Look at his reasons for voting JX... 100% knew morb was town... SO DID EYWA. Cases built on terrible reasoning... EYWA MORESO. Why does he want to lynch JX over Eywa? Because he's his scumbuddy.
Look at his hard-defense of Eywa.
On December 17 2012 14:32 kushm4sta wrote:Exhibit A: Ewya's alleged scumslip Show nested quote +I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:46 Eywa- wrote:
Any scum would have to be out of their mind to side with me right now given how hot of a target I am... I don't see how it can help them... Kush is a civilian (but of course, you can lynch him too given that civilians seem to want to lose around here). This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player. Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia.
Think about it: Does Kush EVER defend people like this? First time forum mafia game my ass, so what. Normal Kush wouldn't give a damn.
Kush's case on Djo is OKAY to say the least, but it hinges on only one thing: reluctance to lynch DYH. Kush was SO MUCH MORE reluctant, trying to push another mislynch, and only bussing at the very last second.
On December 17 2012 11:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:13 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol Eywa so angry at life right now.
Everything is reading scummer Not really, the majority has yet to agree with you. And a single person has yet to agree with you... I do. fuck off cheese. fuxk off hapa. fuck off thrawn. kush and ewya townbros4life. we scumslip 2gether we die together
Why does he think Eywa is town?? Mad that he's getting pressured? Eywa Kush scumteam.
And look at this BS:
On December 20 2012 07:49 kushm4sta wrote:
k this is pretty easy from here. I'm thinking jx djodrrff scumteam.
Naysayers prepare yourself for the sickest most convincing case ever tomorrow.
I know djodreffs scum meta very well and I know he is scum.
I voted thrawn, dp, mrz.
Let's see, everyone that is dead and someone that claims to have powers. lol.
DJO HAS PUSHED JX ALL GAME LONG HOW CAN THEY BE SCUMTEAM?!!? Anyone that's not Eywa. Eywa / Kush scumteam. Kush has done nothing this game besides push for the lynch of Djo and hard defend Eywa. This fakeclaim bullshit shouldn't instantly make him town.
Both Eywa and Kush fit the profile of not wanting to lynch DYH. Kush hard defends Eywa, and attacks Djo for acting the SAME exact way he was during the lynch.
Kush never pushes Eywa despite him doing the exact same "scummy things" as JieXian. I can't emphasize how badly I think they are scumteam. Eywa / JX makes sense, so does Kush / Eywa. Gotta lynch me a Eywa today.
I can't put together any scumteam that excludes Eywa. My vote stays. I'll go Kush if possible, but Eywa is friggen 100% scum.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Eywa
EYWA + KUSH SCUMTEAM DIE DIE DIE
Ask me anything about this scumteam right here. I've got more ammo in the chamber for any questions. Kill them.
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Go ahead and vote me or Djo. Once either of us flips town, Eywa is dead. Then Kush.
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On December 22 2012 07:03 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake how about a djo/cheesecake team? does that work?
Nice town read on me early, it was cute btw.
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On December 22 2012 07:08 Eywa- wrote:
##vote Eywa-
Nice active lurking.
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On December 22 2012 07:18 Eywa- wrote:Kush isn't the only one to call me town. Thus, your argument is simply based around bias, bias and more bias. I'm not suggesting that you're mafia since your reasoning is entirely based on you not liking me . Thus, I will instead change my vote to ##unvote
##vote Jie Xian
Nice scum claim.
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On December 22 2012 07:21 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 07:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 22 2012 07:18 Eywa- wrote:Kush isn't the only one to call me town. Thus, your argument is simply based around bias, bias and more bias. I'm not suggesting that you're mafia since your reasoning is entirely based on you not liking me . Thus, I will instead change my vote to ##unvote
##vote Jie Xian Nice scum claim. While everything is speculation, the fact that your argument is entirely bias is really not speculation... It's fact
Biased? Haha, look through your own filter, tell me it's not the scummiest thing ever. Refer to my case on you. Scum scum scum.
Scumteam is either you / jx or you / kush. It's the only shit that makes sense.
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You know you guys don't have to talk in the scum QT.
But the fact that Eywa was blatantly active lurking is pretty much the nail in the coffin.
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Hapa... Why does your formatting how to show mine up? I was like "let's take all these colors and splash them on the page" you were like painting lilly pads and stuff.
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Don't be conflicted Hapa. He will flip scum. Of this I am sure.
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I hate meta arguments. But the association is there, completely. For JX too, I guess, but he's done more than Kush this game... being super convinced we're the scumteam and us "owing him an E-handshake" seems too callous.
Kush has tunneled Djo the entire game and defended Eywa. What else?
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On December 22 2012 07:59 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 07:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah probably.
As for kush... maybe. Part of the reason I'm hesitant is that kusb seems far too level-headed for his scum play. Kush is a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve, and his scum play is very angry and/or whiny as a result. When he's calim, Kush has always flipped town. Okay, so assume you're right about Kush... Then who's my scum partner?
JX or Kush fits well.
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On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote:
1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch.
2) Well, either you're scum or you were shot... I'm kind of confused as to how you're still alive either way.
3) I don't think he's scum anymore... Though, I can't be sure. His argument seems to be based around not liking me, so that makes him seem not-scum, however, if he were scum, he'd know I'm town, thus might see me as an easy target and he knows that you won't look at him as a valid lynch.
You were targeting MrZ... Scum hope for no-lynches...
Also, my argument is based on the fact that you're scum. I also don't like you.
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@Djo
Où es-tu?
Where art thou Djo?
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Kush,
Your case against Djo was based on the fact that he was indecisive at lynch time, with a few other minor details. I'm 95% sure he's town.
We're lynching Eywa today, consolidate your vote whether it's a bus or not.
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On December 22 2012 13:50 kushm4sta wrote:
Cheesecake,
Tomorrow before lynch I will delve into djo's filter. Yes I will go deeper. And harder. There is more to his scumminess than what you describe. The case against him is way better than the case against Ewya.
We are lynching Djo. It doesn't matter if you are or aren't on board because everyone else will be.
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Also how can you be 95% sure he's town... like what the fuck man.. you said it was "pretty damning"
what happened to that???
One thing was, but it's hardly enough to convict him. We aren't lynching Djo. I've had a town read on him this entire game nearly.
Ewya is obvious scum, and you should know that.
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And Kush -- Who's his scumbuddy if he's scum?
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Tick tock tick tock who is Djo's scumbuddy, Kush? Me? If Eywa flips town I give you permission to systematically lynch me and Djo the following two days and win the game. I am the only one who makes a Djo scumbuddy possible. Eywa is town, you can just lynch us and win.
There is no reason for you not to vote Eywa. Stop trying to push this mislynch.
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On December 22 2012 14:23 kushm4sta wrote:
For some reason i didn't read your case closely until now.
fuck that is pretty scummy. is ewya/djodref possible?
attempt at defense
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-He realized cheesecake was not a viable lynch because no one else wanted to lynch him. Therefore, he put his vote on someone else to at least make it useful.
-(mr z was possibly his second scumread, possibly the scummiest person he thought had a chance of being lynched). Also maybe Mr Zs actions near the lynch made Ewya think he was scum.
-The witchcraft vote for Mr Z was done WAY earlier, so just because Mr Z was a town read a long time ago when he voted, doesn't mean Mr Z would still be a town read.
-Inconsistency is not a scum trait.
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-no idea
Possible, but it would have to be a very intricate scumplay. Read my djo/jx/eywa association post where i match up djo/eywa.
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Bottom line here is, the only possible scumteams include Eywa.
If someone can give me one that doesn't include Eywa, please do.
String up Eywa.
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On December 22 2012 14:35 kushm4sta wrote:
@cheesecake:
djo/cheesecake
djo/hapa
and that is discounting the possibility of a bus
If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win.
Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check.
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Hapa could have had an ez mislynch on JX or Eywa. He had no reason to push the DYH lynch so hard. And he DT checked Ghost.
Eywa is scuuuuuum
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On December 22 2012 14:42 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys,
I'm finally home ! And I had to sleep as soon as I arrive.
Also I met a virgin, so I don't even think I'm gonna ever address the case against me.
I just want to say that, I just entered the thread and I didn't even catch up but kush is definitively being scummier and scummier here.
This was sarcasm
My point here is that Kush is getting a lot a leeway this game. He is still on my possible scum list.
And I just got mad that he waited to post his case that I was waiting from almost day 1 just before I had to take my plane. The timing is just too good.
I also got mad because Kush made some bad arguments and some good arguments, but you took all of them for their face value.
So I decided to behave exactly like Kush does, to show you that I'm town, because some of you have a town read on him for being a total jackass. I put a lot of effort into this game and I'm being called mafia with the first arguments brought by a jackass. So yeah, I went crazy...
It's okay Djo, I'm defending you right now. Perty sure ur town brah.
Vote Eywa.
Scumteam is Eywa / Kush or Eywa / JX.
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On December 22 2012 14:45 kushm4sta wrote:
djo how was I a jackass to you? i never meant to be. I was not purposefully waiting for you to leave to write the case.
also i did not just meet a virgin I also had sex with her. just need to clarify that. Can you not understand how the sudden start of a new relationship plus finals week would be a huge time sink for me?
Pics or it didn't happen
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On December 22 2012 14:49 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 14:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 22 2012 14:42 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys,
I'm finally home ! And I had to sleep as soon as I arrive.
Also I met a virgin, so I don't even think I'm gonna ever address the case against me.
I just want to say that, I just entered the thread and I didn't even catch up but kush is definitively being scummier and scummier here.
This was sarcasm
My point here is that Kush is getting a lot a leeway this game. He is still on my possible scum list.
And I just got mad that he waited to post his case that I was waiting from almost day 1 just before I had to take my plane. The timing is just too good.
I also got mad because Kush made some bad arguments and some good arguments, but you took all of them for their face value.
So I decided to behave exactly like Kush does, to show you that I'm town, because some of you have a town read on him for being a total jackass. I put a lot of effort into this game and I'm being called mafia with the first arguments brought by a jackass. So yeah, I went crazy...
It's okay Djo, I'm defending you right now. Perty sure ur town brah. Vote Eywa. Scumteam is Eywa / Kush or Eywa / JX. I need to catch-up with the thread first. I had Jx, drazak and then Eya/Kush as possible scum before grush came back green. So yeah, pretty sure that both scum are among JieXian, Eywa and Kush now. Why Eywa above JieXian ?
A) Eywa is scummier by far.
B) Kush kept trying to push a JX lynch / was always suspect of him. Kush + JX is super unlikely.
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On December 23 2012 00:19 kushm4sta wrote:
also you kept saying nitpicking... "why so nitpicking?"
it's called scumhunting.......
That's what he always said when i tunneled him as scum, nitpicking :p
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Here you go:
+ Show Spoiler +On December 21 2012 09:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Okay, so the three candidate for scum are Djodref, Eywa, and JieXian. Everyone else is pretty much confirmed town at this point (barring myself). Two of these guys pretty much has to be scum. I will be looking at their interactions with each other. Notes- Djo doesn't want to lynch DYH. Scumtell? Maybe. But I highly doubt he would give a huge post about me being town and force himself down the road of bussing his scumbuddy. I think if he were to bus, he would have been way more forceful with it. His Kush mislynch was obviously not catching traction, and a scum Djo would have just bussed and went along for the ride. He genuinely seems to believe that Kush is scum over DYH. - Djo isn't that scummy on his own. Scumhunting, general thread contribution, he's the least scummy of the three up for lynch today. Not telling, but something. - Eywa thinks scumteam is Djo / Hapa / Myself - JieXian thinks scumteam is Hapa / Myself - Eywa and JieXian are both very scummy on their own merit, and do NOT vote for DYH in the end. Especially Eywa. He thinks he has the scumteam all figured out, but votes for Mr.Z...? Both of them have scumslips and defend each other. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Djo + JieXian scumteam - Highly UnlikelyDjo has had it out for JX the entire game. He has a case D1 and a vote. And now he wants to lynch him today. A majority of Djo's filter is aruging with JX and highlighting him as scum. Here are Djo's cases against him for reference: + Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
JieXian
I'll tunnel and then I'll tunnel, but I'm also going to back it up with some speculation
IntroI'm glad to introduce you my new case against JieXian. I'm going to present you the following points which are proving that JieXian is scum.- His Opening Post with his scumslip
- Cheese's Tunnel with lack of real case
- Hapa's Tunnel with lack of real case and speculation
- Lynch Derailments
- Association with DYH
Part I --- His OP with le scumslip
I'd like to remind you here my previous case against JieXian. I've updated it a little, but it is still standing. + Show Spoiler [Jiexian's scumslip] +
JieXan
Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.
Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. Some additional comments: JieXian didn't state at all that he had town reads on DP and Hapa in the first post. If he had town reads, why not explaining his townreads first, and then counterbalancing them with the small things he found suspicious ? Also why enter the thread by giving town reads ? The answer is that this post was meant to spread suspicion on DP and Hapa. The problem (for JX), is the scumslip.Please also not the vote for MrZentor for a very weak reason, and that MrZentor has also been pushed by DYH.
Part II --- Cheese's Tunnel
Here are the reasons I could find which JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Cheese. - Cheese didn't push his thrawn lynch and dropped it
- Cheese didn't vote thrawn with JieXian when he provoked him to do so
I think that Cheese defense was quite reasonable against these points. His lack of time to push the thrawn lynch and the lack of interest of the town into lynching thrawn were reasonable arguments. The fact that Cheese didn't want to risk a no-lynch to follow a vote on thrawn which made little sense from JieXian's perspective is perfectly acceptable and is quite pro-town. I'm not going to explain here why no-lynches are bad for town, at the exception of MYLO situation, but we can develop this point in the post game if you want. And yet, JieXian proceeded to clutter the thread forcefully with his obsession of Cheese, avoiding constructive discussion on the subject. He dismissed any argument that we presented supporting a town Cheese: Hapa, Kush and me have made some posts in CC's favor and we got no comment on them. Just some "lol, you are scum with CC" type of comments. He didn't want to discuss the fact that preventing a no-lynch is rather pro-town than anti-town. Here is the case which allowed JieXian to call scum all game. Do I need to remind you that Cheese was DYH's contender for the lynch ? JieXian was pushing his scum agenda here. + Show Spoiler [JieXan's case] +On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:02 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:58 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. You seriously should have read my filter wth I'm trying to swing the vote away from morbid shit And onto any other random ass person? Rofl. well you did post a case against the random ass person Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122 Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? Pretty weak to call someone scum during all game...
Part III --- Hapa's Tunnel
I'm not sure if I really understood the reasons that JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Hapa. - Hapa made a contradiction(?) and never addressed it
- Hapa is scum with Cheese (all of this before any flip of course)
- Hapa is scum because he should be dead if he was town (based on speculation)
First of all, it was obvious that Hapa's lynch was not going to happen. But by cluttering the thread, barking that Hapa was scum, JieXian is achieving the following objectives. He disrupts the thread and creates a bad atmosphere in the town, while discrediting the strongest town player of this game. He also diverts the attention from DYH's lynch which was gaining some momentum. Please also note, that once again, he's avoiding constructive discussion on Hapa. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:20 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote:
ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense No, speculation is speculation. I called it stupid before but this thread had enough flaming already. But when speculation points toward conclusions that is really likely to be wrong (ie, Hapa is scum), it means that the assumptions you are making are wrong. If you are seriously believing that Hapa is scum, please present me a short list of arguments supporting this theory.
Could you do that for me ? Guess what, I've never got this short list of arguments. Nor a proper case against Hapa. And he could never admit that his speculation was certainly bad. Like, Hapa has been voted blue because DP was ! Him being so obsessed with this leads me to think that he is the Witch Hunter and that he has maybe tried to shoot DP and Hapa at the beginning of N1. The speculation achieves two objectives: making townies doubting Hapa and encouraging them to talk about their votes, if the mafia team has still a bullet. It is soft-bluehunting, if you want...
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part.
Part V --- Association with DYH
I don't think that I have to mention again that JieXian forcefully tried to get DYH out of the lynch. But, on top of that we have all this posts where JieXian is defending DYH. + Show Spoiler [Jx posts to try to save DYH] +On December 20 2012 06:43 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 06:33 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 06:30 MrZentor wrote:
Switch to Hap? LOL ##unvote
##vote dyhI would have been better off masoning i thought you had a check on dyh? Here is tried to get Kush on his side, and he finally tries to vote MrZentor (?!) with the worst reason ever... On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
That makes at least 4 mafia in this game, with most of them being really looking townies, even before DYH flips. And before that we had On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP To try to get people vote you I guess. And also look how he tries to talk MrZentor out of DYH lynch... On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote:
ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks
will try to wake up in time for lynch
Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement.
djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense On December 20 2012 02:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 02:50 MrZentor wrote:On December 20 2012 02:47 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 02:44 MrZentor wrote:
As scum the easiest thing to do is to pick a target (me) and push that target the whole game, ignoring everything else.
And DYH isn't strong or confident. He's just mindlessly pushing for my lynch. It's an extremely easy to execute and effective scum strategy.
Also, I am SUCH an easy target. I was an easy target D1 was everyone who were pushing for me scum? The reason DYH is scum isn't that he is pushing an easy target. You're missing the point. He's tunneling me, all game, ignoring everything else. That's scum play. Who else has done that? wth ? he thought I was scum and let go and he still thinks eywa is scum I also found this one, which I really like Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
And here comes JieXian answer ^^ Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh No you !
Conclusion
JieXian is Scum !
We have to lynch him tomorrow !
Djo has been pushing for his lynch all game. I find it highly unlikely that these two are both scum. If Djo is truly scum, he would not be pushing for his buddy's lynch now of all times. A JX + Djo scumteam is very unlikely.
Djo + Eywa scumteam - PossibleIn general, these two have been very antagonistic the entire game. Djo votes Eywa, Eywa thinks Djo is in the scumteam with me and Hapa... Djo flips out on him, etc. Here are some examples: + Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 07:50 Djodref wrote:
I still do prefer a Eywa lynch for tomorrow. Because, yeah, kush being kush, there is still a small chance for him to be town. 1% town chance for Eywa right now, 5% town chance for Kush.
GG guys,
Y u no concede ? This snippet is taken from his case on Kush. He really prefers a Eywa lynch, however. If they were scumbuddies, why would Djo push the bus instead of the mislynch? It doesn't really make any sense. On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 Votes Eywa hastily on D2. On December 18 2012 08:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:18 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:01 Djodref wrote:
##Vote Eywa
Doesn't even take time to read a case.
Town atmosphere = shit
constructive discussion = 0 On the contrary, all evidence I've presented has been ignored with false claims being made that I had presented none... Given that you should be voting for yourself (since you ignored both cases I made). Your cases are shit... See the kind of posts I make. I expect even more than that from you right now. Stop shitting the thread and post an extensive case against Cheesecake. Discredits Eywa, calls his cases shit. Then, Eywa calls Djo scumteam with me + Hapa, and here is his response: On December 18 2012 13:31 Djodref wrote:
WTF ! Suddendly I'm scum ?
I'm not here to participate into your shitfest and that makes me scum ?
Let me be clear
I live in South Korea, most of the discussion here happens at night for me
I have another game going on wich requires much attention and time for me
I don't want to participate into this kind of discussions
I provided some good cases that almost everybody has dismissed or discarded
If you think I'm scum, you have to write a case against me. Something I could answer to.
I cannot accept to let you throw away 'Djodref is possible scum' or 'Djodref is scum' comments like this.
But I'm glad that this shitfest is over, seriously...
This doesn't really look like two teammates purposefully fighting the thread. On December 18 2012 22:45 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:
*snip*
Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while.
*snip* What I'm doing is called scumhunting. I'm giving criminal cases on the people I'm suspicious of, to gauge their defense, and also to start constructive discussion about them from all the members. The problem here is that nobody commented nor addressed my cases so far. It doesn't make me scum, it should make me town. That's why I was keeping asking you for a "criminal case" against Cheesecake. I've read your cases but I didn't like them because I didn't understand what you were trying to prove. I like lists and concision. So could you make a list with your main points against Cheesecake, please ? More fighting between the two. On December 19 2012 13:23 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 12:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:56 Djodref wrote:On December 19 2012 12:51 Eywa- wrote:On December 19 2012 12:25 Djodref wrote:
@ Eywa
Who would be your scumteam right now ? If I revealed, there'd be a lesser chance of killing Cheesecake. Do you have time to discuss about Cheesecake now ? Can you make me a list with your strongest points again him ? What didn't you like in my post and Hapa's post on CC ? No He's Scum I don't remember Dear Eywa, Believe me or not, but I'm town. If you are town, you are going to need my vote against CC, if you are really certain that he is scum, so your job should be to convince me that he is indeed scum. I've explained why I thought he was town, althought I'm not totally sure of it. I'm open to discuss anything. On the other hand, I do believe that Kush is scum, and I think that I've provided good points to show it. So I would like to discuss a Kush lynch with you. See, I have town interest in mind. Could we discuss for real now ? On December 20 2012 03:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? I'm done talking to you... On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list More fighting, I really don't see them as scumbuddies right now. On December 20 2012 03:57 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 03:49 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? Let's play a game Kush, DYH, DrazakI reserve the right to call you a total moron at the end of this game if I have more scum than you in my list Assume you're right, wouldn't they vote for Mr.Cheesecake? That'd make 5. And then we just lynch them one by one in the following days ? All of them have no fucking reason to lynch CC. On December 20 2012 04:13 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:11 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:On December 20 2012 03:56 Djodref wrote:
But seriously, just watch Kush behavior right now, popping in in the thread, make irrelevant comments, popping out.
He clearly doesn't give a fuck of this game, just read his latest comments and tell me that he is not mafia. Just go read the last page of his filter.
I'm very worried right now because both Kush and drazak are not here, so maybe mafia doesn't need any interference for today. Maybe both CC and DYH are a mislynch.
Can we just lynch Kush ? DYH is the guy I'm the least sure to be mafia in my tentative scumteam... the fuck? im here and i'm playing, despite you guys making it as hard as possible with all your fucking spam. None of my post are irrelevant today. 1 defended cheesecake, 1 told you when you could expect more activity from me. TOWN, look at djo. Look how indecisive he's being with today's vote. shit like--Hmm ill vote for this guy but I really wanna lynch this guy. Djo pick who you want to vote and VOTE for them instead of wishy washing all over the place. I'm not indecisive at all. I want to lynch you, and almost everybody is fucking ignoring me here.. Your defense of CC was a very weird post to prove that someone is town. The arguments you are giving are bad and I have to admit that it was kind of relevant... And yeah, I'm getting behind a DYH lynch because we need consolidation. And, I've stated earlier, I believe that he could be mafia. I even gave my reasons to vote him, so cut the crap... This is where you went wrong. I don't think you have a case. Va te faire foutre ! Tu es la pire merde avec laquelle j'ai jamais jouee... Final rage post. This could have all been orchestrated, but I find it unlikely. The only merit a Djo + Eywa scumteam has is the Djo defends him: + Show Spoiler +On December 19 2012 14:50 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 14:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 19 2012 14:36 Djodref wrote:
Also who would you lynch if you had to choose right now ?
And who is today best lynch in your opinion ? Shit, Eywa if I could. I'll totes sheep your Kush thing going on, blatantly too. I'd say mr.Z over DYH personally. As for best? Impossible to tell. I don't think Eywa is scum. It's not necessarily a good argument but I don't see a first time scum player do this. How did you feel like the first time to play scum ? For me, I was not comfortable posting the first time, at least not the first day. Even if it is was part of a scumteam strategy, I don't know how his team mates could have thought to send the newb go head-on against Hapa would be a good idea. And, yeah, his behavior is quite anti-town, and he slipped hardcore, but he looks also genuine and honest, and shows true passion Also he has made some efforts lately. I would like your own comments on Kush, please... Okay, everyone seems to be saying they don't think this is the case. Pray tell me, why? Too obvious? I don't know. Just look at this post: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 21:44 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 14:28 Hapahauli wrote:I'll post something tomorrow afternoon at longer length. Off the top of my head...
DYH's play has been very non-involved. He pops in, offers a consensus opinion, and pops out. I'm not sure if he's scum, but he's one to keep an eye out for.
I still think JieXian is mafia. Despite his defense, his voting antics are really really strange. He ends up voting you (Thrawn) at the end of the day and I have no idea where his scumread came from. He was very suspicious of Mr. Cheesecake, had his vote parked on him, then out of nowhere does this: On December 17 2012 05:53 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. Ok join me #Vote thrawn2122On December 17 2012 05:37 Hapahauli wrote:REPOST: Just scanned Morbidius's filter. I wouldn't mind lynching him. There was the pre-emptive defensiveness that MrZ brought up earlier, as well as this: On December 17 2012 04:29 Morbidius wrote: On December 17 2012 04:16 MrZentor wrote:
Kush, I'd rather lynch scum than a lurker.
We should kill Morbidius. Hmm i made some light accusations against you and now you're full on calling me scum? That's quite the overeaction,which certainly doesn't help your case. I already had in mind the fact that you're either very noob town or noobish mafia. Either way a flip is worth more than you. ##unvote
##vote MrZentorJustifying lynching a "noob town." I don't think these things are 100% allignment indicative, but it's certainly scummy and the best chance we have for a red flip IMO. if MrZ was town he was playing noob enough for me to go nuts for him ... so he votes the candidate that one of his top scumreads is pushing? Errrrrrrrg. JieXian justifies his vote with this... On December 17 2012 06:13 JieXian wrote:I was challenging mr cc if he'd remove his vote as he seemed ready to vote for thrawn On December 17 2012 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 05:42 JieXian wrote:shit it was about the acoltye = townie not a scumslip thing morbid is a bad idea I'm down for a mrcc lynch On December 17 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 03:49 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 01:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Hey guys, shenanigans here being sorted out. I'm down for a Thrawn lynch, he's a sheeping scummy dude right meow. Thrawn is an Opportunist
+ Show Spoiler +On December 15 2012 11:11 thrawn2112 wrote:ok ##Vote DjodrefShow nested quote +On December 15 2012 10:26 Djodref wrote:
Other than that, I would like everybody to give a little hindsight of their game experience, especially newbies, if there are some.
what kind of information are you looking for? Sheep on Djodref vote, hardcore. No explanation, just does it. Also, the question he asks is self-explanatory. On December 15 2012 12:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
I didn't th9nk hapa's case was super good but dp's reaction to it seems insane Slightly discredits Hapa's case, and takes the opportunity to acknowledge that DP looks scummy after an OMGUS vote (duh). He then unvotes to keep his options open. When Hapa makes his more fortified case, he suddenly believes it's some god-given scumhunting then votes for DP.
Wait, What's this?On December 15 2012 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
dp I don't think it's fair to accuse djo based on setup speculation meta because of 2 reasons
1. start of the game and everyone is lurking
2. this game doesn't have standard mechanics
Didn't Thrawn V OTE for Djo based on this exact thing? He was being obsessed with blue roles / witchhunter and Thrawn sheeped the vote, supposedly because of this. Now he thinks it's not fair to accuse him? On December 16 2012 10:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
oh sniped on the random lurker vote lol, sounds fun
##unvote
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake
pie is better and all you mo-fos need to start posting
Sheeps onto lurker vote opportunity. Underlined = scummiest shit ever townies like cheesecake over pie. On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok here's what I probably mean about kush...
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush.
he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. PROBABLY mean? What? How do you probably mean something...? Town mean things genuinely, scum try to emulate they are meaning something. The rest of this post is garbage--he comes to no read on Kush at all, just flip-flops between the possibility of town kush not wanting to lynch him and the alternative scum motivation.
Above all, Thrawn doesn't seem to care who is lynched:On December 15 2012 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
this conversation between the few of us is getting very tiresome
i'll lynch lurkers
LURKERS
i will happily lynch you Okay so he wants to lynch a lurker. By all means, a viable strategy considering the circumstance. But he also wants to lynch Djo, JX, DP... I'm confused. I don't see strong scum reads from him other than on JX due to obvious scumslips. He is sheeping a ton and doesn't seem too caring of who he wants to get lynched. Just look at this flip-floppiness between lurker lynching and lynching his top scumread.On December 16 2012 20:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker Maybe we could lynch a lurker! That sounds like a good idea! On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it But I still really really like a JX lynch! On December 16 2012 20:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead But maybe we could lynch a lurker! I'm all for that! Why is Thrawn so indecisive?On December 16 2012 14:04 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.
I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)
no this is a lie Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because xLater I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because xDjo why did you vote for Mr Zentor But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum He states JX is scum. THEN WHY IS HE KEEPING HIS OPTIONS OPEN LIKE THIS? Town Thrawn would want to push this JX lynch into the ground, not be ready to jump off the wagon at the last minute to lynch a lurker. Thrawn's general posting in context of the thread seems very opportunistic. The way he jumps on JX's vote post of Mr.Z is just that, scum trying to find easy things to tackle people on. I have no clue, if town, why he's willing to lynch a lurker right now if he's set on JX being scum.
##Vote: Thrawn On December 17 2012 02:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:50 kushm4sta wrote:
we really need a vote count...
We only have 3 hours left... people should not be discussing anything but the lynch.
Who are teh viable lynches at this point?
Is anyone adverse to lynching a lurker? Yes we need a vote count. I want to lynch Thrawn but I don't think anyone is biting atm... Who'd you have in mind for lurkers? On December 17 2012 02:52 JieXian wrote:
read my filter please, I'm still waiting for his reply On December 17 2012 02:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX, that post wasn't even directed towards / had anything to do with you. So you posted your long wall of text case against thrawn for shits and giggles? I get it Jx, you're really paranoid. If I could lynch thrawn I would. But apparently everyone wants you dead, and I can see why. WHY ARENT YOU LYNCHING THRAWN NOW THEN? BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WANTS TO BRO, WHAT U WANT FROM ME. If anyone else wants to vote thrawn, please do so. On December 17 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lol JX, what reason do you have to vote thrawn? Also, didn't you think I was scum? Why would you agree with me. and he's getting more and more contradictory as he posts ... but it's pretty unconvincing. He voted thrawn to "dare" Mr. Cheesecake to vote him? I'm not really buying it - it reads a lot like JieXian doesn't give a shit about who dies.
lol what kind of an idiot would still think I'm scum after all that? you're not stupid like kush so you're just keeping your NK options open between me and eywa with your ludicrous read on him He's buddying together himself and Eywa, calling Hapa's read ludicrous and him an idiot. And here's this: Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:00 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 21:31 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 JieXian wrote:On December 17 2012 06:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? i thought the lynch was bad and was trying consolidate on any lurker lynches i agreed with Yeah, but doing so at the last minute is really really sketch. Starting a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake with 5 minutes to go is an absurd idea given how uncoordinated and inactive this town has been. The only thing that could end in is a no-lynch. tell me how that;s better than our current situation ok going for real saw that? hapa and mrcc are definitely scumbuddies @ JieXianSo, according to you, MrZentor, Hapa ans Cheesecake are the scumteam, right ? And that makes Eywa town... I strongly disagree with you. And I should be town, right ? The problem with your reasoning is that you are making association cases before the flip. If you want to prove that Hapa is scum, you have to make an independent case against him. I want you to show me what is wrong in Hapa's case against eywa. I want you to write a strong case against Hapa. Then you can start to post like you do. If you cannot write your case, it's probably because Hapa is town, as I believe he is, or because yourself is mafia. I'm just asking you to convince me, ok ? I don't know who the 3rd guy is yet, it's either thrawn or mrz. Not sure about you.
OF course eywa is town. Coming up with a case on hapa soon Yes, of course Eywa is town. More of JX referring to him and Eywa as a unit. He is defending BOTH himself and Eywa in this post: Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 00:05 JieXian wrote:
Hapa and mrcc won't die to NK
Only me and eywa are going after hapa so they may or may not shoot us due to wifom logic
the rest are clueless sheeps and lurkers which are ready to sheep hapa anytime so they should be kept alive.
If you happen to think you're not a clueless guy, don't prove it to hapa lol stay as clueless as you can please
still don't know who's the third guy Okay, just look at THIS one:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 02:46 JieXian wrote:On December 18 2012 02:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:The witchhunter can fucking save his shot for later, I don't see the reasons they wouldn't do it. It's sure as hell causing a ton of conflict right now. We cannot be sure Hapa was even shot. We know the witchhunter can have one shot left, or none. On December 18 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
who's townier than you?
no one Then why the fuck do you want to lynch him? Please convince me and eywa and zentor why This quote occurs on page 57 of the thread. He asks me to convince people of my argument concerning the witchhunter shot. I have to convince him, okay. I have to convince Zentor, alright he's in this dicussion. I have to convince Eywa... what? Where is he in this conversation? If you look back in the thread a few pages, Eywa is nowhere to be found. His last post is talking about Hapa's "scumslip", nothing to do with the witchhunter shot. Why does JX want me to convice Eywa of something that he's not even discussing? Okay so I'm going to cut this short and just give a synopsis: I think JX + Eywa scumteam has a real possibility, and nobody should be discounting it. Both of these guys refused to consider DYH for a lynch. They buddy each other hardcore and attack me and Hapa, taking every little opportunity to do so and use terribly shit logic. Neither of them voted for Morb, the lurker lynch. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:05 Blazinghand wrote:
Final Vote Count!
Morbidius (8) - Drazak, MrZentor, DP, MrCheesecake, DoYouHas, threesr, Hapahauli, kushm4sta
threesr (1) - Djodref
Mr. Cheesecake (1) - thrawn
MrZentor (1) - Morbidius
Hapahauli (1) - Eywa-
thrawn2112 (1) - Jiexian Only one scum had to be on the lynch wagon for it to go through. The other two were free to hop on anyone else they wanted to and subsequently flame the town for pushing a mislynch. Admittedly, Djodref is there too, but he does not throw it in anyone's face and accepts it. The two scum, however, have different plans and use this to their advantage by attempting to gain town credit. Final thoughtsDjo looks scummy mainly because of his reluctance to lynch DYH... but Kush also had reluctance. I don't think this is definitive of a scumtell. Neither Eywa nor JX pushed the scum lynch. Neither of them have done jack shit this game besides tunnel me or Hapa. Both of them are horrendously anti-town. Scums goal is to pick on the weakest town -- and at the time I was the weakest town, because of my lack of scumhunting and admitted sheeping. Unfortunately for them I had some more time on my hands later in the game. I'm not stupid, and neither is the rest of the town. I really do believe they are the scumteam. Even if it seems too obvious, sometimes that's the solution. I'm going to vote Eywa because A) He deserves it. B) He's 100% scum C) I'd rather lynch him over Djo right now.
This is entertaining possibilities provided you are town.
Djo does defend Eywa for some reason. But they fight all over the thread. I think JX + Eywa is far more likely than djo / eywa
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On December 23 2012 00:53 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 00:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 00:19 kushm4sta wrote:
also you kept saying nitpicking... "why so nitpicking?"
it's called scumhunting....... That's what he always said when i tunneled him as scum, nitpicking :p So you are saying when he was TOWN, he used to word nitpicking to defend himself?
Always from what I can remember. Nothing telling, could use it in his scumgames too idk.
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Ghost, if Djo is scum his only reasonable scumteam member is Eywa (or me, but I have the knowledge of being town). We need to consolidate our votes.
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Also, Ghost, you realize that Kush actively tried to prevent and push other lynches than DYH? Djo and Kush are guilty of the same thing.
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Djo, I realize you might be scum, but pushing a JX lynch right now is rofl and makes you + eywa look even more scumteam. But srsly. lynch Eywa.
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On December 23 2012 01:36 kushm4sta wrote:
@cheese djo's case is like the same thing as eywa's but moreso. The only thing eywas case has that djos doesn't is that scumslip thing.
So the possible teams are djo / eywa ... eywa / jk ... or eywa/ kush. srsly why are we not lynching Eywa
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On December 23 2012 01:39 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. You're confusing me now. Is that a scumslip?
Kush tried to push a lynch on you. How is that in anyway a scumslip?
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On December 23 2012 02:01 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 01:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 01:39 JieXian wrote:On December 22 2012 07:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. You're confusing me now. Is that a scumslip? Kush tried to push a lynch on you. How is that in anyway a scumslip? no, you're calling me a mislynch after tunnelling on me since D1
Tunneling you -- LOL!!! You're the one who tunneled me.
Also, I was talking from the perspective if kush/eywa scumteam, fool.
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Looking at a scum players motivations is really Wifomy.
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The thing is, scum don't want to give any information away when they get lynched. A logical proposal is that he just didn't want to give anybody and headway into the next lynch.
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But seriously JX, if you're town, look at Eywa.
Scummiest player by far. Was active lurking and doesn't defend himself in the slightest.
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On December 23 2012 02:32 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The thing is, scum don't want to give any information away when they get lynched. A logical proposal is that he just didn't want to give anybody and headway into the next lynch. what about plain defending himself? Doesn't make sense not to defend yourself at all
Then it's a null tell?
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On December 23 2012 02:31 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 23:23 kushm4sta wrote:On December 22 2012 22:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 22 2012 14:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 22 2012 14:35 kushm4sta wrote:
@cheesecake:
djo/cheesecake
djo/hapa
and that is discounting the possibility of a bus If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win. Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check. Unless Hapa/Ghost Scum team. mr z got a green check on ghost. So I think this is impossible. ??? if mrz got a green check how does hapa's check say anything about his alignment
Hapa got the green check, not Z
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On December 23 2012 02:38 JieXian wrote:
whaaat? kush said that mr z got a green check on ghost.
I remember kush had a green on dyh, and hapa had a green on ghost,
you telling me mrz got a green check on hapa? can't find it anywhere at all
Mr.Z never had a green check on anyone.... Hapa had powers and green checked Ghost.
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On December 23 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
why did kush's check have no effect on his townie status? I see no difference between his check and hapa's check.
Rephrase. Me no understand.
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On December 23 2012 02:43 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 02:38 JieXian wrote:
whaaat? kush said that mr z got a green check on ghost.
I remember kush had a green on dyh, and hapa had a green on ghost,
you telling me mrz got a green check on hapa? can't find it anywhere at all Mr.Z never had a green check on anyone.... Hapa had powers and green checked Ghost. I thought so. Kush was saying mrz had a green check on ghost Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 23:23 kushm4sta wrote:On December 22 2012 22:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 22 2012 14:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 22 2012 14:35 kushm4sta wrote:
@cheesecake:
djo/cheesecake
djo/hapa
and that is discounting the possibility of a bus If it's me and djo, and eywa flips town. you can just lynch me and him the next two days and win. Hapa is town, unless you don't want to count that DT check. Unless Hapa/Ghost Scum team. mr z got a green check on ghost. So I think this is impossible. Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 02:32 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 02:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
The thing is, scum don't want to give any information away when they get lynched. A logical proposal is that he just didn't want to give anybody and headway into the next lynch. what about plain defending himself? Doesn't make sense not to defend yourself at all Then it's a null tell? No. the fact that he didn't give a damn about getting lynched points to the fact that he was prepared to be lynched. He knows he has to be lynched
Well Kush mispoke I guess there.
Or he just didn't want to give away any information... That's what scum want to do. Drazak (ghost) didn't vote for him either, and it was a very close lynch. I doubt Hapa started the lynch wagon.
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On December 23 2012 02:44 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 02:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 02:40 JieXian wrote:
why did kush's check have no effect on his townie status? I see no difference between his check and hapa's check. Rephrase. Me no understand. Kush had a green check on DYH = people are saying he's scumish hapa had a green check on ghost = OMG CONFIRMED TOWNIE GAIS
Kush's check only had a 66% chance of being right.
A check now is confirmed green.
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Because Kush used it in a scummy way. The check could have easily been an attempt to save his scumbuddy. It was really convenient. He showed up last minute and was like "omg check on DYH, lynch this JX guy instead"
Hapa shows no signs of scummy intention imo. And he's just looking plain townie.
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Exactly, which is why Kush has a chance to flip scum right now.
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ahmigawd
Seriously, why are we lynching Djo right now? Who makes sense as his scumbuddy?
Ghost/hapa we are basically confirming town.
kush tunneled him djo tunneled kush so no.
JX was tunneled by djo so hard since D1, no way
Eywa could happen, very unlikely.
I could happen.
At least I know I'm town.
I don't see Djo paired up with anybody else but me lol.
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Voting for scum reluctantly is not more "scum-motivated" than voting your top town read and completely ignoring the possibility of a DYH scum flip.
If DYH was a planned bus -- wouldn't Djo be all over that shit? Like OMFG DYH OBV SCUM!
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On December 23 2012 03:26 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Voting for scum reluctantly is not more "scum-motivated" than voting your top town read and completely ignoring the possibility of a DYH scum flip.
If DYH was a planned bus -- wouldn't Djo be all over that shit? Like OMFG DYH OBV SCUM!
What??? you were just saying that it wasn't a bus and DYH was just "not giving out information"
IF he was a planned bus. IF. I don't think he was. You seem to think he is. Djo's reaction if it's a planned bus makes NO SENSE!
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On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref
If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is.
His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty.
Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now.
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On December 23 2012 03:40 JieXian wrote:wth You can't use that argument. Firstly you don't seem to think that it was a planned bus at all. Secondly, he's been protecting DYH the entire game if Djo were scum, he just throwing out a weak case on DYH when I asked him for it Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes
Because it's not a planned bus, omfg. I just said YOU think it was a planned bus. A planned bus from Djo makes no sense cus he would just be like "omfgscumscumrightherewtffff"
He's summarizing the points against DYH, so what? He thinks his Kush lynch is better. A planned bus wouldn't even consider a Kush lynch and just be like rofl he's scum what do. Scum Djo has no reason to push a Kush lynch, it's an impossibility.
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You're also forgetting that Kush didn't want to lynch DYH just as badly. He even said the Mr. Z case had plenty of merit. Kush actively sought to prevent the lynch.
Whether or not his "green check" was the notion behind that is debatable.
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On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not?
It's not a planned bus.
Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch.
Either that, or you're the last scum.
Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense.
Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town.
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If hapa is scum, this game is already lost.
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On December 23 2012 03:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"?
There's a difference between PLANNED BUS and BUS. Planned bus makes the scum who bussed look really friggen good. Are you thinking before you post, scum?
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On December 23 2012 03:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore... If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam.
No. People have pinned Hapa as town. If we lynch Djo and he flips town, we're going for you next not him guaranteed.
Lol @ hapacc scumteam.
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On December 23 2012 03:57 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"? There's a difference between PLANNED BUS and BUS. Planned bus makes the scum who bussed look really friggen good. Are you thinking before you post, scum? I am pretty sure that you've got that wrong... if Kush were scum, he'd have mislynched before joining the stack who were bussing DYH... It's only logical because then, you only need 1 more mislynch, which given probabilities, there's a very low chance of town victory.
And what did he do? Try to lynch JX and derail the DYH lynch itself. He wanted a mislynch if scum.
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On December 23 2012 03:59 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore... If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam. No. People have pinned Hapa as town. If we lynch Djo and he flips town, we're going for you next not him guaranteed. Lol @ hapacc scumteam. It's funny that you give out a ton of opinions, yet never act on any of them... You throw shit around and then vote whatever hapahauli votes. You have no backbone to make a decision, another reason you look scum.
Shut up, you scum. The only reason I sheeped Hapa D2 was because I was completely busy D1 through most of D2. I have time now. Hapa is sheeping me this day, not the other way around. You aren't doing shit this game either, you're just voting Djo because it's the popular lynch.
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On December 23 2012 04:01 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. It's not a planned bus, but one of the guys who bussed him looks scum? Are you reading before pressing down on "post"? There's a difference between PLANNED BUS and BUS. Planned bus makes the scum who bussed look really friggen good. Are you thinking before you post, scum? I am pretty sure that you've got that wrong... if Kush were scum, he'd have mislynched before joining the stack who were bussing DYH... It's only logical because then, you only need 1 more mislynch, which given probabilities, there's a very low chance of town victory. And what did he do? Try to lynch JX and derail the DYH lynch itself. He wanted a mislynch if scum. I'm sorry, I'm talking about the simple act on putting his vote on DYH rather than for a no-lynch (sorry, I used the wrong term)...
No-lynch is anti-town beyond all belief. He would look scummy as shit doing that. In that situation him + dyh look scummy as fk. dyh dead + town-seeming kush is better. But I still think it's you + JX scumteam most likely at this point. Offchance of Kush as well. This Djo lynch makes no seeeeeeeense
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On December 23 2012 04:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If hapa is scum, this game is already lost. How does that even remotely make sense? You talk as though you will lose any voting sense because your leader can't tell who what's what anymore... If anything, your post makes me think CC/Hapa scumteam. No. People have pinned Hapa as town. If we lynch Djo and he flips town, we're going for you next not him guaranteed. Lol @ hapacc scumteam. It's funny that you give out a ton of opinions, yet never act on any of them... You throw shit around and then vote whatever hapahauli votes. You have no backbone to make a decision, another reason you look scum. Shut up, you scum. The only reason I sheeped Hapa D2 was because I was completely busy D1 through most of D2. I have time now. Hapa is sheeping me this day, not the other way around. You aren't doing shit this game either, you're just voting Djo because it's the popular lynch. You have yet to make a decision this game and then you're like YOU SCUM, I ONLY SHEEPED BECAUSE I WAS BUSY... Doing other stuff impedes you from thinking?
Seriously, shut up. I told everyone the reasons I wasn't around, and if you can't accept it, you don't deserve to exist as a human being. I've made my decision this game. Eywa scum. last scum either Kush or JX.
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I'm done crapping up the thread with this.
Everyone vote Eywa.
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On December 23 2012 04:05 ghost_403 wrote:
I like how MrCC's problem with my case is that he cannot, at this moment, identify Djo's scumbuddy.
Not "Ghost is wrong"
Not "Mine is better"
Not "Let's think about that some other time"
It's "I don't know who we should lynch next".
I don't care who we should lynch next. I found someone who's acted irrefutably scummy, and I think we should lynch them today.
@MrCC:
Do you agree with my case on Djo or not?
Ghost. Eywa has acted irrefutably scummy much moreso than Djo ever has. The case against him isn't BAD by any means. It makes sense, it really does. But what irks me is that Kush acted the same way as Djo did around lynch time, and Djo has no scumbuddy. Seriously think about it. If you've read the thread (I know why you wouldn't want to, you're going to have to take my word for this) you would understand that nobody here has the potential to be Djo's buddy other than a slight chance of Eywa and myself. Just pick out a third scum and I'll tell you how that's wrong, nobody makes sense.
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On December 23 2012 04:08 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 03:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:48 JieXian wrote:
Ok, I can agree with you that if djo was scum it doesn't appear to be a planned bus (unless he's using some really advanced play)
My point was that you can't use that argument to convince me that djo isn't scum if you are trying to convince me that it was NOT a planned bus at the same time lol
Tell me once and for all, was it a planned bus or not? It's not a planned bus. Kush looks way guilty because of this. Comes in the last minute and tries to derail the lynch with his green check antics. If he really had a green check, he would have given us MORE TIME to coordinate another lynch. Either that, or you're the last scum. Eywa / kush scumteam or Eywa / JX. Only shit that makes sense. Still waiting for somebody to tell me who Djo's scumbuddy is. WHO? NOBODY MAKES SENSE BUT ME. And I know I'm town. if it's not a planned bus then you've got no defense for djo's case ...
Give me one reason we should lynch Djo over Eywa.
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Eywa, I've already presented how you're the most anti-town person in the thread by far. I have an entire case on you.
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Ghost,
You seem level-headed. We need more of that around here. Half of the spam in this thread is caused by Eywa presenting garbage logic and arguments.
So please, why should we not lynch Eywa today? What makes Djo a better candidate?
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On December 23 2012 04:14 ghost_403 wrote:
@MrCC: At least Eywa talks to DYH in thread. Examining his filter for 30 secounds shows that he actually responds to the stuff that DYH lobs in his general direction. Typically, scumbuddies don't do that; they fear talking to each other too cordially in thread, and talk about serious stuff outside of the thread. I don't see his interactions with DYH implying that he's scum.
I understand this, and it's what I looked for in my cases. It's easily faked, however, I mean I always talked to Debears in my first scum game in the thread; it's something he told me to do.
Where does he speak to DYH specifically?
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Here it is. Plenty of stuff I could have added to it, but it's what I came up with at the time. For scumslips, etc see Hapa about that.
+ Show Spoiler +On December 20 2012 10:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Eywa is SCUM
Just read up on it!Here is Eywa's entrance post: Show nested quote +On December 16 2012 23:30 Eywa- wrote:
Hey guys, I haven't been lurking... I just haven't gotten around to reading up until now. After reading I see a lot of people saying weird shit that I couldn't really come into this game expecting to hear, but that is basically just written off as different cultural background or different lifestyles. I really can't make a judgement based on that. So, I will go by the very standard... Goal of the game. Generally speaking, the mafia or in this case, the church will want to be on everyone's good side... Thus jumping from band wagon to band wagon to please the crowd with his/her vote. For this reason, I shall vote for the king of band wagon hopping:
##vote hapahauli
If you have any questions about me or anything game related to discuss with me concerning my character, please don't hesitate to ask. He votes Hapa for jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon. Personally, I think this is a garbage vote because Hapa was making cases, not sheeping onto a bandwagon. I ask him to explain himself. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Just go read up on it bro. I'm not making a case, fuck that. Towns goal is to convince others that your target is scum. Eywa never does this, just drops his vote because Hapa is inspecting many different players. This play is generally anti-town. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 02:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 02:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 02:00 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 17 2012 01:44 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 01:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Care to elaborate? Just read up, he's hopped onto about 4-5 different people for no other reason than it seemed to be a good idea based on one previous post or because someone said it was a good idea. I notify him of this, I urge him to make a case: Why don't you make a case, then, if it's scummy behavior? Because people who play are meant to read the thread, I made the point of "why", if you read you'll understand the justification. Whether or not you agree is up to you. Town want to convince others that their top scumread is actually scum. Presenting a case with justification does that. Parking your vote on Hapa and telling people to go searching on their own isn't going to convince people. One read through is enough. I thought that by definition, in order to participate, you'd have to be willing to read the thread. By saying you're not doing so, you just discredit your entire argument about thrawn even though some aspects may be valid. He denies, says we should just be reading the thread... He even twists my words and says that I wasn't reading! I never once mentioned that I didn't read. He's throwing his own arrogant assumption upon me, because I'm telling him he should justify his read. Morb is TOWN DKLSDAF!
This is Eywa's entire reasoning for his townread on Morb... Oh wait, there is none. Nowhere can I find his reasoning for not lynching him. He just says: and Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 05:02 Hapahauli wrote:I'm kinda feeling an Eywa lynch at the moment. His "case" on me aside, this post rather scares me: On December 17 2012 04:42 Eywa- wrote:
Civilian lynch: imminent. The hell is this? Means you guys are going to lynch an acolyte... Also, you're reacting offensively to the fact I called you out, yet you expect it due to the nature of your posts. Your entire strategy seems to be around looking like a mafia member. Why does he think Morb is town? Then, he uses this garbage reasoning to gain town credit by flaming everyone. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:09 Eywa- wrote:
Q: Which townie predicted this?
A: Eywa-
I'd like to thank the other civilians for not realising that there are 3 scum and that the votes simply had a very low % chance of adding up to Morbidius being a mafia member. Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 06:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:15 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 06:14 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 06:09 Hapahauli wrote:
And thrawn, your last-minute antics read a lot like you didn't give much of a shit about who got lynched. Care to explain your actions a bit? Your last minute antics could have saved the townie... Care to explain yourself? I need to know this as well (since it's not blatantly obvious)... Let me answer this question with another question: Was it in town's best interest to no-lynch? Q: Lynching an acolyte is better than no-lynch? A: Is the goal of the game to lynch your own members? (well not yours, but ours) Again, he states that Morb was on "obvious townie" in order to attack Hapa: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 07:59 Eywa- wrote:
Let's do the math,
First you target 5-6 people without justification and just ask for people to jump on them
Second, you argue to keep votes on a certain person who was obviously a civilian
Said civilian is lynched, you run off saying it was the right decision because it's best to lynch someone than nobody
And now you're targeting me with really no grounds to go off of other than a simple grudge. Why was Morb an "obvious townie"? He never gives any explanation. Only to scum was he an obvious town. In addition, Eywa also called Kush an obvious obvtownie but then later said he was suspicious. How does he know all these people are town? He even called DYH obviously a civilian. Either he's just blind or redic confirmation biased. Y'all SUCK, 50% error rates, 0% finding scum rates! Jeeze!Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. What does Hapa's record of finding scum have anything to do with him being town? This is not a way to find scum, and it's anti-town in general. He's just attacking Hapa for promoting the lynch of Morb. It makes no sense. same thing here: Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:On December 17 2012 10:40 Eywa- wrote:On December 17 2012 10:32 Hapahauli wrote:@ KushOn December 17 2012 10:19 kushm4sta wrote:
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You should keep in mind that the time during which this happened was a chaotic shitstorm spamfest. It was not an ideal environment to discuss things. Townies aren't scared of posting in a spamfest, since they have nothing to hide. Mafia however, are. The last 25 minutes were a time that we had no solid lynch candidate - a townie would push his top scumread to get lynched here. Instead he did nothing. He didn't push me, and he didn't even defend Morbidius. Yet after the lynch, he goes "oh welp I told you I was right." That's pretty fucking scummy. There was no way his scumpicks were goign to get lynched, so why would you bust his balls over not pushing something that was impossible? That pretty much covers 3 and 4 That's ridiculous. The guy was foaming at the mouth that I was scum, and didn't push his scumread. That makes no sense, regardless of how feasible me getting lynched was. Day 1 isn't it more likely that scum would just latch on to one of the more popular lynches? Stubbornly tunneling you does not make him scum necessarily. I see town do that all the time. Scum certainly can latch onto a popular choice, but scum don't always do that. In fact, making a huge case on a candidate who has no chance of getting lynched is another very popular choice amongst more active scum players. What better way to prevent a town from consolidating and create chaos in the thread than bringing up an entirely new suspicion at the 11th hour? It's not that there's nothing to the case, but it's not even close to 100% certainty, and it doesn't warrant NOPE YOUR SCUM every time he tries to talk to you.
Why wouldn't you want more content from him to analyze? There is nothing else to analyze. He's scum. He also scumslipped, which you've ignored for like the billionth time. On December 17 2012 05:27 Eywa- wrote:
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Are you done lying?.. How do you expect me not to accuse you especially after you make a case for yourself which is blatant lies. That's 1, 2, 3 non-lurkers (if you count myself which you've jumped on... I can find more, didn't feel like picking through the whole thread. You have yet to jump on a lurker.
I don't know why you guys are standing for a townie that is supposedly "helping the town by bringing lurkers to post through accusing them" when that reason is a blatant lie.
I did post in the last 25 minutes and laid more effort to convince people than most. Persisting on something that is impossible is insanity. Your efforts in the last 25 minutes were "please sway your votes." If you think that's a contribution, then I can only shake my head. So what on earth were you trying to achieve yesterday? You were calling me scum for shits and giggles without the slightest intention to push for my lynch? That's exactly what you're saying right now. It was in the town's best interest to not consolidate, you lead them to consolidate on various townies rather than mafia members... How is that in any way noble? How on earth do you know that the people I voted for were townies?You really have no grounds to accuse anyone, you're guaranteed at this point to have AT least a 50% error rate (given how many people you've accused and you've already promoted the death of a towns person who had nothing on his record to make him look suspicious. And this makes you not scum how? The way I see it, there's a 99% chance you're scum, and a 1% chance you're an idiot. I was calling you scum so that people would see reason today after you lynched a townie. It's a guarantee that 1/2 the people you voted for yesterday were town simply due to the amount of men of god... Probability of all 3 scum being among them is minimal... So, statistically speaking you probably have a 17-33% guess rate... Which is in no way something for people to lay trust in. Then, he goes and keeps face-banging into me about how I haven't found scum yet. Note: He hasn't either. What reason does he think I'm scum otherwise? Nothing. He just trolls around the thread going: + Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 10:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Obviously the people you push for are generally scum... Given you've never yet picked one out your record is about... 0% On December 18 2012 10:56 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:53 Hapahauli wrote:
Screaming that he's lying =/= good way to figure out if someone's scum. Be quiet while I try and get productive answers from people. I'm just saying, when someone has a 0% guess rate, they're generally scum... It's not that hard to link the dots. On December 18 2012 11:02 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. I'm sorry, is the math of finding out who has a lower guess rate than 0% difficult? Let's run a simple exercise... I have 10 apples, I give you none. How many less apples could I have given you? On December 18 2012 11:03 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:02 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:52 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? thrawn was proven innocent, Cc just doesn't know the difference between left and right. LOL this is a clarity-class scum post right here. The opportune moment post. And you, Eywa, obviously don't know the difference between town and scum. Well, maybe you do, because you are scum. That statement stands more for you because none of my guesses have been proven wrong, all of yours have... I think your problem is with the understanding of basic mathematics. You're such an idiot, please stop talking scum. Just ignore him. This conversation is between you and me right now, and I'm not interested in having Eywa shit up the thread again. I'm sorry, I didn't realise his PROVEN 0% guess rate was a secret. On December 18 2012 11:10 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 11:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:58 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 10:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 18 2012 10:50 Hapahauli wrote:
@ CC
Looking through your filter, you had a rather large case on thrawn early. While you've explained why you didn't push him during the lynch, you never followed up on your case. You never mention your stance on thrawn after D1 - why is that? What was your stance on thrawn yesterday? Was too busy yesterday focusing on Eywa bullshit, etc. I believe I mentioned somewhere that he posted his list of scumreads --- which didn't include me. I wondered at this, because he thought I was scum / voted for me D1. If he hadn't died, I'd still have a scumread on his ass, and probably push him second to Eywa. Obviously that's not going to happen right now. Well you didn't do much yesterday other than address "Eywa bullshit" and hard defend me. The lack of scumhunting outside your D1 case on thrawn is rather disturbing. And tunneling Eywa really doesn't satisfy the "scumhunting" quota. Whatever. Tired of this " I didn't do anything D1" Bullshit. Neither did Eywa. I'm busy helping amend this fucking school shooting in CT, maybe you've heard of it? I don't have time to deal with you fucking retards (Eywa, not you Hapa) Go die if you don't understand it, because I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I'm just going to park my vote on Eywa, because he's scum. Join me if you want to. I just don't know what to say. If Eywa is town I have no faith in the intelligence of humanity. /endrage You mean... In the intelligence of a being which has yet to guess right? you're still at 0% On December 18 2012 11:12 Eywa- wrote:
P.S. I'm too fucking busy for this game and your bullshit, stop asking me (The only question I've been asked all game) shit because I've had enough of this game! I'm going to shoot a Civilian and go back to helping out my School. Fuck you guys, I know how to count an 0/3 is definitely higher than 0%! FUCK What does this have ANYTHING to do with me being scum? He's been asked many times to provide a case on why exactly he thinks I'm mafia... but he refuses to do so. Just screams SCUM SCUM SCUM at me. Sorry, bro, you're wrong. You're the one at 0% now.
Flip-Flop on JXShow nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:26 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:24 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:22 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:21 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm not convinced on Mr Cheese. I want to see JieXian dead first and foremost. Your cling to defend him suggests one thing, we have to kill him... and then you... or you and then him... Either way, rage on sir! I've posted why JieXian is scum. Several times. In my filter. JieXian wasn't voting for people he thought was scum. He voted the top scumread of his top scumread (thrawn, instead of voting CC). When I called him out for it, he flipped a shit and omgus'd me. He's scum dawg. Let's not forget your scum slip... Your uncontrollable rage... Your obsessions which are generally wrong. You've never guessed anything right in this game, let the big boys call the shots now and wait for your turn to be executed. I'm not against voting off Jie Xian, but I want to kill Cheesecake first because he's actually mafia. JX would be a great lynch! Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 07:30 Eywa- wrote:
Here is my voting list:
Given that Cheesecurd is 100% scum and we need a scum gone, he's dead now.
Given that Hapahauli wants to have a shot at proving innocence before he is bi-headed, next goes jie xian
If Jie is guilty, we kill Kush, if Jie is not guilty, we kill hapahauli
1) Cheesedip
2) Jie Xian <--- Second in line to be lynched
3) hapahauli JX probs scum, gotta lynch him after dat cheeseguy Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 08:16 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:13 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 08:12 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
This is part of the reason I don't want to lynch Mr. CC. JieXian pushes CC in a horrendously scummy way. Think's he's scum, then places his vote on thrawn (flipped town) to "dare" Mr. CC to vote him? Yeah ok. actually that's false as proven by my post about him, he clearly voted for someone he didn't think was scum last time since no one would vote for his suspect. Last post on JieXian or on CC? On CC, I don't think Jie Xian is scum... He's saved too many townspeople or attempted to. These posts are in the time frame of an hour... WHY THE FLIP-FLOP BRAH? Scumslips, etc.He's made them. For the sake of brevity, I won't repost them.
General Thread ContributionHe has 13 pages where he has managed to do what? Tunnel me and Hapa and call us two + Djo the scumteam. Lol. Most of his filter is inflammatory remarks towards the entire town, or me in particular. It's disgusting and so anti-town I can barely describe it without a red pen.
Just something I noticedShow nested quote +On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. *Cringe* How does he know... _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ THERE IS ONE SAVING GRACE Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote:On December 17 2012 11:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hapa, Eywa is totes always right about everything. Shouldn't we listen to him? You had better hope we are right about Eywa, because if we aren't you look exactly like a gloating scum who is buddying hapa. DYH looks like he was posturing for a Eywa lynch. He knows he would flip town, and have justification to lynch me. This is the only reason I would consider not lynching Eywa right now, because of this post from the confirmed scum. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Okay, so some other stuff.DYH had a case on JX day 1 and was very quick to put his vote on him. For this reason, I don't think JX is scum -- purely on association. I don't think his scumbuddy would be that quick to bus him: JX was in very real danger of being lynched D1. That said, it could have been a quick bus, but personally as scum I would have waited / pushed a different lynch. His case and vote were too early to be scum bussing scum imo.
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On December 23 2012 04:20 ghost_403 wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816&user=93681¤tpage=AllCtrl+F "doyouhas" on that page. You'll see that DYH asks questions directly at Eywa-, and Eywa- responds specifically to some of the posts made by DYH. Again, I can't say that this proves that they are of opposite alignments, but it's a good indicator. I'm happy to further discuss Eywa- tomorrow, but as for right now, I feel that Djo is the better lynch.
Ghost,
Djo also talks (and rages at Eywa) to every single person here and answers many peoples questions. But that doesn't absolve him of being scum, right?
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Eywa, tell me, what do you think of Kush and his play leading up to the DYH lynch.
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What's your opinion of him in general?
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On December 23 2012 04:35 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I need an answer to this please:Can you please elaborate on this statement? On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote:
1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. This doesn't make very much sense. The only person that was targeting MrZ was DoYouHas. DYH was also the other lynch option. If you thought scum was "targeting" MrZ, why would you object to lynching DYH, who was the only person targeting MrZ at the time? I had no idea that doyouhas was scum, your assumption was that I knew dyh was scum despite the fact that it was clearly indicated otherwise.
Then you would lynch for information. That's what town do. No-lynches are for scum.
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JX, we need your vote to make this Eywa lynch happen. 2 likely scum are on Djo right now. Djo will show up and vote for Eywa
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JX, if you can pair Djodref with someone that makes sense as the 3rd scum, you can vote him. If it's me Eywa will flip town this lynch and then y'all can just lynch us the next two days.
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On December 23 2012 04:57 Hapahauli wrote:I mean what more do we need to lynch this guy? Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special. "Yeah, ya know all those scumreads and stuff I was doing early the game? They were all lies, I never believed one of them and never had a scumread."
This.
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Just think about it JX. In what world is Eywa not scum?
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Just need Djo to show up...
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Hapa obvious scum.
##unvote
##Vote: Hapahauli
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I'm kidding >.> see how mad he makes us all?
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On December 23 2012 05:45 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:41 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:35 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:33 JieXian wrote:
Ok I'm going to stop defending eywa until he answers the only question I have of him, if he ever does Dunno what your question is. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Shrodinger's Cat
Someone watches Big Bang Theory.
##unvote
##Vote: Eywa
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Did you just sheep a joke vote?
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Wow JX is really claiming scum right here.
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JX vote for Eywa or you're next.
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On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote:
lol only you are allowed to make joke votes?
Yes. And why the hell did you get back on djo when you were just on Eywa?
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On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote:
I already said the case on eywa sucks
Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM
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On December 23 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote:
I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce.
If JX didn't pull these shenanigans Kush would be next.
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JX, you can't possibly fucking say that this case is bad. You aren't voting Djo for any reason.
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On December 23 2012 05:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote:
I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce. If JX didn't pull these shenanigans Kush would be next. You keep talking, but we all know that to be false (also, why are you calling all of these people out without strong cases against any of them - Including myself)?
I have a case on you. I also have a case on kush + you scumteam. I also have an association case which summarizes djo/jx/you scumteam theories. what's reading?
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Kush, if you're really town, seriously lynch Eywa.
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On December 23 2012 05:57 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 05:51 JieXian wrote:
I already said the case on eywa sucks Oh bullshit. Scum doesn't want his buddy to die. VOTE HIM You're not fooling anyone... You would have gunned for Jie Xian next anyway, so you're counting on the help of someone which you've made publicly known is next on the nuce. If JX didn't pull these shenanigans Kush would be next. You keep talking, but we all know that to be false (also, why are you calling all of these people out without strong cases against any of them - Including myself)? I have a case on you. I also have a case on kush + you scumteam. I also have an association case which summarizes djo/jx/you scumteam theories. what's reading? okay, you have a case that says I'm a scum team with Kush, Jie Xian and Djo... Where is the issue with this plan? (Hint: there are only 2 chances left) Only a scum member would push such a stupid ploy.
Wow, are you that stupid? You obviously didn't even read it.
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LYNCH JX HOLY SHIT WHAT ARE YOU GUYS EVEN DOING
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On December 23 2012 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
I want to lynch djo. I think he's scum I thought that all game I want to lynch him. You all capsing isn't going to change that cheesecake.
Are you shitting me Kush? The only person who makes sense as his scumbuddy is me. You're going full retard right now if town. If you want to test this Djo-cheese scumteam, then we can lynch Ewya today. If he flips town, me and djo are scumteam gg.
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On December 23 2012 06:02 kushm4sta wrote:
CHEESECAKE have you heard of this thing called busing??
what are you even talking about?
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I'm trying to prove Djo innocent because NOBODY ELSE CAN POSSIBLY BE HIS SCUMBUDDY BUT ME. He's tunneled JX all of the game, Kush is pushing this lynch right now, Eywa + djo scumteam is so not likely.
Seriously think about this
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On December 23 2012 06:05 JieXian wrote:
just so you know, a mrcc + djo scum team EXPLAINS why hapa isn't dead yet
Then lynch Eywa. If he flips town, me and djo scumteam confirmed.
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On December 23 2012 06:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Eywa could be his partner, you could be his partner.
Then lynch Eywa. he flips town me djo scumteam confirmed.
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Scumteam is either Eywa + kush or Eywa + JX.
LYNCH EYWA
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Kush you have no reason to lynch Djodref right now.
You think the scumteam is Djo and me or Djo and Eywa. If eywa is town then me + djo scumteam and gg
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On December 23 2012 06:10 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake maybe if you spam a little harder I will change my mind and vote eywa
Just do as I ask please.
What are your theories for scumteam?
Djodref + Eywa OR Djodref + Me.
Vote Eywa. He town? GG you caught the fabled Djo / CC team.
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On December 23 2012 06:13 kushm4sta wrote:
Cheese the thing is I have to go with my more confident read.
If Djo is scum, then either me or Eywa goes with it. Please don't throw this game if you are town.
Lynch Eywa. He's town me and Djo are dead scumbuddies.
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I would have shot hapa night 1. He's far too good at this game.
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Why would I kill Thrawn, my top scumread lolol
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Nobody cares about the bus. You only care because you think it was a bus. And who wasn't on that bus? You and Eywa.
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On December 23 2012 06:17 JieXian wrote:
I've been tunnelling you for so long about thrawn. Killing him would be a HUGE relief.
Hapa is alive because he's your bff, who's against me and eywa, a very useful tool to keep alive
I cared about your "pressure" on me?
Kush, please dear God...
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If Hapa is scum, he deserves to win this game. He really does.
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Problem is, we gotta lynch a Eywa.
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On December 23 2012 06:21 kushm4sta wrote:
hey cheesecake
##unvote
##vote eywa
Hey Kush
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GG Town wins.
So, I'm putting my money on Witchhunter. Any takers?
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The only other scumteam i could see besides Ewya / jx or ewya / kush is Hapa + Ghost. Which would be insane considering Hapa pushed that scum lynch so hard.
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On December 23 2012 06:27 kushm4sta wrote:
btw my vote is still on djo in case anyone didn't notice.
if hapa is scum then he is really good at scum and he has a long ass filter no one wants to read through
Kush come on, if you really think Djo is scum you'd realize what I'm saying here.
For you scumteam is either Ewya + Djo or Me + Djo. If you eliminate Ewya then you've got us. If you push this Djo mislynch I won't have a clue if the last scum is you or JX. If you don't switch I'm guessing it's you.
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On December 23 2012 06:29 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:27 Djodref wrote:
Ok guys,
I think it is time for me to write a good bye post.
I wouldn't say that this game was enjoyable, so I have mixed feeling about getting mislynched right now.
I'm happy to get away from this game, because IRL is getting pretty busy with me being back to France, and also because there are too much insults and flaming around here. People are not being reasonable.
On the other hand,I've really put a lot of effort into this game, and I think that most of my cases were good, even if a few of them were certainly misguided. So I guess that I was establishing that I was town quite well. My last case againt JieXian is something I'm very proud of, and I really don't think Kush or Ghost cases are better than it, so I'm feeling very bad about getting lynched right now. Hopefully, you guys can realize that the scum players are really obvious this game, and I'm counting on you to get your lynches right.
I was happy that we had lynched DYH, and I was really hoping for the town atmosphere to get brighter, but it didn't happen. I have faith that you can win this game for me, so please do so ^^
Good luck and try to do something to improve the town atmosphere, because I really feel bad when I read this game...
Alas, flaming occured again, and too much time is spend on irrelevant points. your last case on my sucked enough for me to consider you being scum
So you want to lynch him because he's bad, not because he's scum.
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On December 23 2012 06:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Cheesecake you lynch who you think is the scummiest then figure out the scumteam if that person flips scum.
But Djo only has two possible scumbuddies. Me or Eywa. Think.
I give you permission to lynch me and Djo if Eywa flips town.
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On December 23 2012 06:36 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:35 kushm4sta wrote:
i hate you cheesecake
##unvote
##vote eywa
for real this time lol, they got you.
Nope, we got you.
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On December 23 2012 06:38 kushm4sta wrote:
inb4 cheesecake is the sickest scum ever
Haven't played scum since my first game D:
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The scumteam trying to convince us all :o
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I think Hapa would have joined the Djo wagon if he was scum. Kush would be to blame for it, amirite?
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In all seriousness if Eywa is town, I'd say hapa is scum tho.
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But the chances of that happening are lolnone
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On December 23 2012 06:44 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:41 kushm4sta wrote:
no idea who the scumbro is if it isn't eywa HAPA?
Then we can lynch hapa / djo tomorrow and gg win?
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What kind of scum starts a bus and pushes it that hard? Like holy crap well played if that is the case.
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On December 23 2012 06:46 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:44 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 06:41 kushm4sta wrote:
no idea who the scumbro is if it isn't eywa HAPA? Then we can lynch hapa / djo tomorrow and gg win? That was a quick 180.
That was taking into account his circumstance
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I'm going to say Witchhunter.
Any takers? 
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Or because Eywa / JX were pushing him hardcore and want to make him seem like scum.
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If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow.
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On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town?
Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town.
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On December 23 2012 06:57 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today?
You're actually making sense right now. Should have started to do that from D1.
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On December 23 2012 06:59 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today? You're actually making sense right now. Should have started to do that from D1. And you should continue the lynch of a townie.
I won't even feel bad if you're town.
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Wow. Hapa, you're too good at this game.
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On December 23 2012 07:03 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 07:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Wow. Hapa, you're too good at this game. no. if you're town you're too bad at this game
Do something other than tunnel a town N1 and make shit arguments.
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Seriously he was the most anti-town person i've ever seen.
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I'm really interested to see who will get NK'd.
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One quote sticks to me about Hapa: "I encourage you to vote DoYouHas.." This was when just he was on him... I don't get it. That has to be the sickest bus ever if he's scum.
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So, my entire prediction for scumteam was predicated on Hapa and ghost being confirmed town. Nothing else made sense but Eywa/jx or Eywa/kush or Eywa/Djo.
Today, Nothing makes sense but me / djo (kush + jx seems too unlikey imo). Problem is, I'm starting to think Hapa is super gosu scum who bussed his scumbud. Nothing else makes sense. Like, Hapa started seeing Mr.Z was having thoughts of DYH scum, knew he had my vote in his pocket, and just went for the bus to become confirmed town.
Thing is, if you think I'm scum, I have no reason to side with Hapa on that DYH lynch. Me and djo could pressed onto someone else and been done with it.
My play yesterday was also suicide if I really knew Eywa was town. I literally told people to lynch me + djo if he flipped town. Again, I would have been right if hapa/ghost were actually town.
one thing sticks out to me about Hapa's DT check claim: Why Ghost? Why not Eywa, JX, Djo? That would have been indefinitely more helpful to town from a townie mindset. Confirming a Eywa town would have us all think a lot more clearly. Same with JX. Or Djo. Checking the replacement guy just makes little sense.
Idk, I'm really confused. I bet Ghost dies tonight, maybe JX if he's town.
The only information I have is that I'm town. Kush/djo kush/jx make almost no sense. me/djo is the only thing that works. -- If Hapa/Ghost were town. I really can't believe I want to lynch Hapa tomorrow.
Another thing: Who won powers from Day 1?
Answer: DarthPunk, Kush, and ???. Thrawn? Hapa claimed to vote for him, right? I'm pretty sure Hapa won, I mean I voted for him, DP, and Kush.
Hapa... I trusted you...
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Scum bussing that hard also makes sense: He'll get all the votes and win powers. Be able to fakeclaim using powers and prevent town from checking/vetting up.
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On December 24 2012 01:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 01:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scum bussing that hard also makes sense: He'll get all the votes and win powers. Be able to fakeclaim using powers and prevent town from checking/vetting up.
I'm also sharing some concerns about Hapa, because I know your scum meta, and I really don't fell like you are scum this game, so I'm really curious how Hapa can have you as scum right now. What do you think about JieXian right now ? I mean, given that Eywa has flipped town.
I was convinced that one of Eywa/jx was scum (I didn't think that much stupid could exist in one thread, no offense JX :p).
No, you don't know my scum meta. I guarentee you I wouldn't play even remotely the same as i did against you that game. Sorry about that lynch btw. Debears told me to do it. I hate meta cases anyway.
JX could very well be Hapa's scumbuddy. But that could also be Kush, Ghost, hell even you haha. But overall I'd consider him to be fairly townie per that play last night
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On December 24 2012 01:31 Djodref wrote:
I'm starting to think that ghost and Hapa could be scum together. I'm quite surprised that drazak was town, and ghost has me as scum without even having caught up with the whole game. I find it strange that he didn't push me very hard yesterday and went away before the deadline, but he wouldn't care so much because the lynch yesterday was betweem town and town.
I need to read this game again to see if this team would work out.
You mean Eywa not Drazak right?
Could be imo. I don't think JX because he was screaming HAPA CC SCUMTEAM GG E-HANDSHAKE POST GAME. If you look at Hapa's early play he does push both jx and kush. And you. Not DYH and not Drazak for lurking.
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On December 24 2012 01:35 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 01:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 01:25 Djodref wrote:On December 24 2012 01:16 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Scum bussing that hard also makes sense: He'll get all the votes and win powers. Be able to fakeclaim using powers and prevent town from checking/vetting up.
I'm also sharing some concerns about Hapa, because I know your scum meta, and I really don't fell like you are scum this game, so I'm really curious how Hapa can have you as scum right now. What do you think about JieXian right now ? I mean, given that Eywa has flipped town. I was convinced that one of Eywa/jx was scum (I didn't think that much stupid could exist in one thread, no offense JX :p). No, you don't know my scum meta. I guarentee you I wouldn't play even remotely the same as i did against you that game. Sorry about that lynch btw. Debears told me to do it. I hate meta cases anyway. JX could very well be Hapa's scumbuddy. But that could also be Kush, Ghost, hell even you haha. But overall I'd consider him to be fairly townie per that play last night The thing is you have played only one scum game so far until this game. I don't see your scum game improving that much since that last game. Also, you being pissed off at Eywa looked very genuine. I can definitively understand your feelings wrt him and also you spend a lot of time fighting with him with passion, and I don't see a scum player doing that, because he would have known that Eywa was town, so I imagine less confrontational.
I guess so. How could Eywa not piss you off? Combined with everything else going on my patience was worn so thin.
I honestly can't wait until I get scum again, I'm going to bus the crap out of my buddy and become so townie I can lynch anyone I want.
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Also, the only other thing that could be besides us is Kush + JX (provided hapa is actually town). This doesn't hold much water, right? Kush did want to lynch JX a bunch of times, ya?
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On December 24 2012 01:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also, the only other thing that could be besides us is Kush + JX (provided hapa is actually town). This doesn't hold much water, right? Kush did want to lynch JX a bunch of times, ya? I only remember Kush wanting to lynch me, I'll have to check this.
Well if we're right about Hapa / Ghost, Kush or JX will die tonight. Djo, who did you vote for?
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Wow wtf you actually voted for me? Ain't neva seen no powers in this game haha.
D1 was kush dp hapa
D2 was you hapa.
D3 I'll post when i get home. There is no chance you or I is dying tonight.
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Still can't believe Hapa is scum this game. Well played sir, even if town loses. Really well played. I think his main mistake was fake checking Ghost. When he first said green check ghost, I said wtf. I was expecting him to check djo or eywa, those would make sense as town.
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On December 24 2012 08:32 Hapahauli wrote:
No wait this is solvable. Solution incoming.
If we no-lynch, we can solve this game.
How?
Yo Djo, is Kush / JX possible? Anyone?
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It wasn't serious. I didn't think he'd flip town, I was just trying to entertain him while he flammed about.
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It was hypothetical. Did I really think Eywa would flip town? No. Why would I put myself in this scenario -- makes no sense. I told the thread to lynch me and djo if eywa was town --- because I honestly didn't think he could be green. As scum I woulda pushed the Eywa lynch but not hard defended Djo at all. Hard buddying as scum just makes me look terrible. I woulda been like "Okay, Eywa scum, really want to lynch him over djo, but djo has great chances to flip scum as well"
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On December 24 2012 09:23 Hapahauli wrote:Moar: Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 06:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today? You're actually making sense right now. Should have started to do that from D1. Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 07:00 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:59 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:57 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:56 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 06:55 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 06:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
You have tons of quotes preparing for Eywa to flip town.
If you flip town Eywa, I'll lynch Hapa tomorrow. Doubtful, but you can talk the talk all you want. Notice, Cheesecake making 2 separate promises about who's getting lynched tomorrow if I'm town? Hey I'll lynch Djo or Hapa if you're town. Hey, that means... I'll lynch Djo tomorrow if you're town. Not to mention, you haven't made a decision on your own still... Though, don't you think it's odd that hapahauli is cowering behind you today? You're actually making sense right now. Should have started to do that from D1. And you should continue the lynch of a townie. I won't even feel bad if you're town.
Because that quote he said made sense.
And I don't feel bad after his lynch. He deserved it if he was scum or town. But I was sure he was scum.
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because it's either yu + ghost or kush / JX. Don't think JX kush is that likely tho. Just because you've acted all townie and such -- which is why I buddied with you, because I typically buddy my top town read -- and pushed a scum lynch doesn't mean you're not scum. Hapa being hapa, totally possible for you to have organized that bus.
Either way im not going to convince you either way.
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Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads.
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Meta cases typically make no sense. But hell, maybe you should look at a JX + Kush alliance. You claimed to have jailkeeped Kush, right? He could have been the mafia shooter. I know I'm town. and you're so confirmation biased against me right now.
I'm trying to rationalize you / ghost versus kush/jx. But ghost literally just sheeps you hardcore so I dunno what to say.
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On December 24 2012 09:30 Hapahauli wrote:
And btw, it's your job to convince me right now that you're not scum. Because your pre-lynch behavior was inexcusable from a town perspective. As is your read.
Kush claimed my pre-lynch behavior was making me look very townie?
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On December 24 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads. Drazak was my scumread at that point in the game. Djo was not. Why are you lying?
Why? He was a lurker being replaced. I don't understand why you'd check him over someone who was as scummy as Eywa.
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My scumread on you is inexusable from a town perspective? JX thinks you're scummy too.
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On December 24 2012 09:34 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a deflection if I ever saw one. Why would a JX + Kush alliance make sense? Tell me, and then I'll post why you're wrong.
It doesn't make much sense at all. That's why im trying to rationalize it, which i was doing most of D3 with everyone else. I dismissed kush/jx because it didn't make sense. Kush pushed a JX lynch, I don't see his motiv for doing that when he could have just bussed DYH hardcore. I still think its a very very slight possibility, but you and ghost seem to be the scumteam if I discount kush/jx
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On December 24 2012 09:38 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:37 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:34 Hapahauli wrote:
That's a deflection if I ever saw one. Why would a JX + Kush alliance make sense? Tell me, and then I'll post why you're wrong. It doesn't make much sense at all. That's why im trying to rationalize it, which i was doing most of D3 with everyone else. I dismissed kush/jx because it didn't make sense. Kush pushed a JX lynch, I don't see his motiv for doing that when he could have just bussed DYH hardcore. I still think its a very very slight possibility, but you and ghost seem to be the scumteam if I discount kush/jx So if I can prove that I'm town with ghost (which I can after the witchcraft elections tonight 100% guaranteed AT MINIMUM), who would be your scumteam?
How can you "prove" it?
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I actually like that idea Hapa. Everybody vote for nobody. Hapa, vote for Kush or JX or someone you think is town.
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On December 24 2012 09:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
My scumread on you is inexusable from a town perspective? JX thinks you're scummy too. JX was atleast consistent. Crazy, but consistent all game with it. You went from "hapa's my buddy 100% town" to "why you so good at scum?"
Because my scumteam predictions were predicated on you not being scum. When Eywa flipped green, it all fell apart.
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Also, holy crap i don't think a scum hapa would make this suggestion of voting maneuvers. If you vote me and I win, I'll totes believe you're town. Then it's kush / jx scumteam, which im starting to think makes more sense than you and ghost, despite Kush's pressure on jx. God this game
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On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.
Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town.
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On December 24 2012 09:37 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads. Drazak was my scumread at that point in the game. Djo was not. Why are you lying? Why? He was a lurker being replaced. I don't understand why you'd check him over someone who was as scummy as Eywa. Cop checks are about eliminating possibilities, not checking top scumreads. Why would I check a guy that I thought was going to check red? Cop checks are for people you know nothing about. See Cop Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=232671Show nested quote +2.) Don't investigate scummy people that are almost surely going to be lynched
The reason for this is that if there is a Vigilante in the game, chances are they will shoot them. Don't waste your night. Investigate other scummy people that are off the radar of the town. See Newbie XXIII Post-Game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=59#1164
On December 24 2012 09:31 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads. Drazak was my scumread at that point in the game. Djo was not. Why are you lying?
Then, Why check? Why are you lying?
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Content doesn't matter, but I'll grant you that it's odd. Although most of this 141 page thread has been spamming pointless crap. Myself included.
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By content, I mean how many pages you have.
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@Kush and JX
Can we get you guys in here plz? Why do you want to policy lynch Hapa, JX?
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How about nobody vote anybody. I'll vote you, Hapa. Then you'll realize I'm town?
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Shit, I can change who I vote for witchcraft right? I already PM'd it .... t.t
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On December 24 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 10:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
How about nobody vote anybody. I'll vote you, Hapa. Then you'll realize I'm town? I can do that. So you trust me now then?
We'll see. The only thing you could do as scum would be to deny that you got the powers. In which case, I'll be confirmed you're scum and won't have Kush/jx on my mind.
Let's do this. Everyone cancel your Witchcraft vote. I'll vote Hapa. Provided we are allowed to switch the vote (haven't had to thus far, so i'm not sure).
Although... Scum still know if they get powers, right? You could just claim you got powers and that you're town, we're town and then we lynch kush/jx and you still win.
Here's the deal though; if I vote you, you know i'm town. But the following day you must vote for me, so i know you're town.
If both check out kush/jx scumteam, right? I think this forces a scum NK either way though, someone is bound to die along the way.
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On December 20 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
you can tell in that quote I was looking to paint him as not that scummy. How i was like-- he LOOKED scummy but i haven't looked at him in a long time so maybe he's not so scummy anymore
Was looking through Kush's filter and this made me lol.
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Djo votes me, you vote Ghost. But Djo does it first. If he's scum, Ghost will win the election. If djo is town, I will win Cool?
Hapa, you are too town looking to be scum. If you are scum holy crap well played you deserve a medal. Kush and jx is more likely imo... I'll prepare a little something tomorrow when im at a computer.
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Whoever gets it sent in first wins. so if djo sends in his vote for me first, i win. If Ghost wins, that means djo is scum or Hapa sent in his vote first.
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##Vote: No-lynch
canceling my witchcraft vote right now
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OMFG HAPA HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM SHOT TWICE WTF SCUM LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH
/jk
In all seriousness this seems foolproof if we can coordinate it correctly. Whoever gets NK'd will be very telling as well. IF scum decide to not NK, we can just repeat this process.
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Though what if scum didnt shoot twice, and you're trying to bait a blue witchhunter kill and then NK for the win? Ahhhh if that's the plan you're awesome scum Hapa :p
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g Hapa, idk you're just awesome like that and stuff. I'm afraid of just getting completely roflstomped by your amazing scum play. but srsly the fact that we are agreeing to do this is pretty indicative that we're town and we know we can be assholes with this nolynch. The fact that Kush d oesnt want to manipulate this lynch is also saying something...
Kush/jx... if you want to concede now thats cool so we don't have to wait forever.
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Im pretty sure djo will be all for it. No reason he shouldnt be if he's town. This will confirm him, ill get blue etc etc
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On December 24 2012 13:41 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 13:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Im pretty sure djo will be all for it. No reason he shouldnt be if he's town. This will confirm him, ill get blue etc etc Well he kinda has to be "all for it" as scum or town. I'm honestly not that convinced he's town. Hopefully all this will prove me wrong, because JX/Kush does seem like the most "believable" scumteam combo. Hard to link a buddy to Djo.
well if he was scum he'd know that he'd be outted so i dont think he'd be for it. plus im his "scumbuddy"... and im town so... im pretty sure hes town and will latch onto it.
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If djo is scum he cant vote. Then ghost will win.
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Although hapa, i still wouldnt know if you're town or not...
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I dont care, you deserve this win if you're scum. So we'll just do this and if you're scum gg.
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On December 24 2012 13:56 Hapahauli wrote:
Like really buddy... 29 page filter... how does me being scum even cross your mind...
As I said, if you're scum you deserve the win.
Also, if you reach the fabled 30 page filter you get a cookie.
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On December 24 2012 13:58 ghost_403 wrote:
This is ridiculous. I don't understand why we can't just lynch scum.
I'll be back to take a look at this proposal sometime tomorrow.
This is new-age mafia, we theorize scumteams and lynch townies until we pin the scumbuds.
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I canceled my vote earlier. Originally voted for djo now i changed o nobody.
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Haven't read into JX much with all the shitflinging going around, but he is such a guilty scummer. half of his filter is facerolling me for not voting Thrawn. Literally only tunnels me the entire game with Hapa on the side.
I CALL
SCUMSLIP
He also pretty much never talks to Kush or DYH. Never votes DYH. In addition, with the JX bandagon on D1 kush never joins in on it... and DYH changes to morb INSTANTLY once an alternate lynch candidate is presented.
As for Kush, he always says that he is suspicious of JX and DYH but never does anything about it. "Hey, look at DYH such a supicious lurker.... vote threesr. Not JX lurkers > scumreads. The last minute D2 JX lynch would have given Kush so much town cred and perhaps DYH a free ticket into this game.
Yeah Kush / JX scumteam. Plz concede so we don't have to wait for Djo to be confirmed.
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On December 25 2012 00:54 kushm4sta wrote:
WTF it seems like if djo flips town im automatically scum in everyone's eyes.
I never joined his bandwagon because I didn't want to lynch him... he was just a bad choice for d1 lynch.
You wanted to lynch thrawn lol.
Um d1 I was trying to get people to consolidate. I wanted to vote DYH but because of the amount of content he had, no one else would.
@cheesecake, I concede. I concede that you are retarded.
Okay. Just saying, when Djo flips green, I'm pretty much green by association right? So you think Hapa is scum?
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Also all this talk of red and green is very festive.
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On December 25 2012 01:17 kushm4sta wrote:
I dont think hapa should be considered as green as he is. I'm still wary about that nk shit.
>>BIG FILTERS DO NOT MAKE YOU TOWN<<
I played with scum hapa once in LC. The only reason he died was because of the weak medic role (medic who dies if they protect scum). He looked very town and was very active. And that was his FIRST scum game. So there is a good reason to fear scum hapa.
And if djo flips green, how are you green by association?
Me and you aren't scumbuddies. Me and JX aren't scumbuddies, he's tunneled me all game. If me and Hapa are scumbuds this game is epic.
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Yeah, games almost over at this point. Hapa too town to be scum. Ghost therefore is town. Djo is confirmed town to me. I'm town.
Just make sure ghost didn't vote or cancelled his vote.
Kush + JX scumteam die die die
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On December 25 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
i feel like djo is gonna flip town and I'm being framed by a cheesecake/jx scumteam.
Does a cheese / JX scumteam make sense? Nope. Tunneled me all game since D1.Coulda had me lynched too :o
Also, Merry Christmas to all!
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The plan works to confirm djo as town. The plan doesn't work to confirm Hapas alignment. But at least i'll get powers tonight and use them to destroy the world!!!
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On December 27 2012 04:53 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way JX... what happened to the whole "DJO IS SCUM" stuff from yesterday? Your opinions changed awfully quick when I decided to confirm his alignment.
JX mad.
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So JX, you shot somebody? Good to know.
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Kush could take the NK... kush is roleblocked. What don't you understand about that?
Yes roleblocking stops the mafia NK If he is the one to take the shot.
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I'm laughing at this logic right here.
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If Djo flips scum from these voting shenanigans?
We lynch djo. And then Hapa most likely next scum. I'm confident he'll be town and I get da powa, because djo hapa doesn't necessarily make sense, but more sense than djo/jx or djo/kush.
Also, y u no ask jx?
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Wait, Hapa, you would seriously lynch kush over me if djo flips scum? Wtf?
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Like, that makes no sense at all. If Djo is scum, I'm fucking 100% guaranteed scummer scum.
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On December 27 2012 06:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 06:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Like, that makes no sense at all. If Djo is scum, I'm fucking 100% guaranteed scummer scum. Uhhhh. That's a pretty odd path of analysis.
No it's not. Djo kush makes no sense, djo jx makes no sense. djo me makes much more sense.
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@Kush + JX
If you're both town and think Hapa is scum, vote for Djo right now for witchcraft. Both of you. If you guys are town, djo wins the election and I don't.
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Fine, but both of you voting djo makes it so both of you are confirmed town. At least then I would know who was scum between you guys and hapa. But I guess we can wait for djo to flip town.
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Well unless blazing royally fucked up that power grant, or we royally fucked up that witchcraft voting, this means djo is scum, hapa and ghost are town.
Who the fuck is djo's scumbud? Shit kush/jx made it look soooo much like they were against Djo. I'd have to go jx t.t
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Yeah I guess I have to Kush. But srsly Djo made it seem like he and JX were like totally against each other. All them cases and shit. Couldn't pin them as scumbuds >< WP djo
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Well, seeing as we have some time between night and the eventual lynch of Djo, I suggest everyone look at day 1 and night 1 and read with a more confirmed lens.
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Djo is scum unless town royally fucked up the votes, or blazing made a boo-boo
He really played that shit off as town, though.
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On December 28 2012 04:53 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2012 06:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@Kush + JX
If you're both town and think Hapa is scum, vote for Djo right now for witchcraft. Both of you. If you guys are town, djo wins the election and I don't. @cheesecake a few words about your thought process behind this last minute retardation?
I didn't think Djo was scum at all. I was torn between you+jx and hapa/ghost. If BOTH of you guys were town, Djo would win and I would know Hapa was scum. But apparently Djo did a good job of masking his scumness with JX by putting together a few cases on him. WP, sir, it's the only reason I defended you so hardcore because I knew (thought) nobody made sense as your scumbuddy.
Anywho, town has this game in the bag imo.
We lynch Djo tomorrow. We confirm my alignment at the same time by the vote shenanigans (I.E I vote for Hapa, nobody else votes) and I'm confirmed town. Scum is now between kush + JX. JX has to be the other scum imo. Djo made cases against JX, but rarely pushed his lynch. Kush made cases against djo and pushed his lynch hardcore. Scum "find each other suspicious" but rarely act upon it. Kush being so vindictive about Djo's lynch earlier pretty much clears him unless he's godly scum.
Scumteam is Djodref, DoYouHas, JieXian
Not exactly what I expected, Djo really led me on there.
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On December 28 2012 06:23 Hapahauli wrote:
How are you confirmed town CC?
Also, how do you explain djo going after JX all game if JX is scum?
I said we CAN confirm me tomorrow. With vote shenanigans. Idk, Djo must be good like that. Kush is certainly less plausible.
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It's best to speculate about Kush vs JieXian as the last scumbud. We know Djo is scum now, nothing is going to change that. We can confirm me by doing what we did yesterday with witchcraft votes. If I turn up scum, then well gg haha. But I won't flip scum, and I would have probably given up by now if I were scum, because Djo / me is really the most logical sequence of events here.
Kush or JX is the last scumbud. Leaning JX because of all that crap and he wouldn't go along with the no-lynch plan. Hapa --- what're your thinkings?
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But I'm lazy.
So kush / JX...
Prove each other is the last scum. Go.
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On December 28 2012 06:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 06:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
But I'm lazy.
So kush / JX...
Prove each other is the last scum. Go. Well on voting actions, you have the highest chance to flip scum. Laziness really isn't an option now.
Just do the same voting thing we did yesterday for tomorrow. We're lynching Djo in the meantime. That means we can just confirm one of the three of us town. I'm the logical choice to confirm since I look scummiest by association. Now I have to filter dive, eh? Both Kush or JX could be it at this point, nothing makes sense.
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I'll see what I can do after work, mmmkay?
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Lol ##Vote: Djodref
I'll witchcraft vote for Ghost. No other townies vote (Hapa, you can vote someone for good measure if you'd like)
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Lol dat vote count. Obviously voting djo but not voting at same time.
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I'm guessing Vet, maybe a lucky JK
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On December 28 2012 09:45 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2012 09:29 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm guessing Vet, maybe a lucky JK I think you are wrong. I don't think that ghost got any powers yesterday. And I'm serious ^^
Lol.
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Yeah, I'd say that a 2-shot blue vigi should have used the shots more wisely. Waited for blue claims of merit, such as the kush-scry on DYH.
But hell, a win is a win, and it was certainly sloppy. Sorry about that folks :p
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Wow, kush - djo scumteam? I'm fucking impressed guys.
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On December 28 2012 11:04 Keirathi wrote:
GG everyone!
Was quite entertaining to watch :D
Fun fact: JieXian voted for ghost last night too.
LOL
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I kinda feel bad town won with witchcraft vote bullshit. Kush Djo scumteam was the last thing I had in mind.
Seriously, good going fella's.
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I was sure one of JX / Eywa was scum T.T
When can we expect a WCMM II?
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Wow reading this obs QT is awesome.
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On December 28 2012 11:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa was not scummy at all i have no idea what people in game or out of game were thinking
wow how was cheesecake not scum
cheesecake.....
you need to do more than just say:
"no this guy isn't scum because I don't know who is scum buddy would be"
imma lynch out of sheer frustration you every time you try stuff like that
worked once, figured it would work again?
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Well, to be fair, I was playing really sub optimally this game due to RL stuff (volunteer work, regular work, finals, etc etc). I was basically throwing shit out there and what not in the little time I had. (although I think I did learn a lot). That and being frustrated with Eywa / Jx really brought out the terribleness of my attitude and reads.
Next game will be better.
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Oh hell, you guys were gonna shoot me? Dat hapa jailkeep.
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On December 28 2012 11:52 kushm4sta wrote:
you guys dont realize it but jx actually won this game for you.
so you were going to elect no one as witch, since no one had the majority vote.
what you actually wanted was to abstain instead of vote no one.
djo and I were counting on no one getting witchcraft.
but jx made fixed that problem and fooled me into thinking the no one/abstain thijg didn't work
BH messaged me saying that you can vote for "no-one" as you don't vote for a person. Or you can vote for "nobody" and that means nobody at all gets the powers.
I voted for "no-one" per his response. Either way the plan should have worked.
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We should all just put this game behind us.
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EPT
