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On December 23 2012 04:32 ghost_403 wrote:
Eywa- is playing terribly, and I don't think it's alignment indicative.
Djo is playing scummy because he's scum.
I'm off, catch you guys on the flip side.
... you have read my Eywa case right?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232
Like I sympathize with you on "terrible", but I simply cannot rationalize his behavior from a town perspective.
The guy voted his top town read (MrZ) to nolynch (preventing lynch of DYH) because he thought scum was targeting MrZ (who was being pushed by DYH). Describe how that's townie to me.
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On December 23 2012 04:35 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:31 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa, I need an answer to this please:Can you please elaborate on this statement? On December 22 2012 08:26 Eywa- wrote:
1) I thought that scum were targeting MrZ and I was kind of just hoping for a no-lynch. This doesn't make very much sense. The only person that was targeting MrZ was DoYouHas. DYH was also the other lynch option. If you thought scum was "targeting" MrZ, why would you object to lynching DYH, who was the only person targeting MrZ at the time? I had no idea that doyouhas was scum, your assumption was that I knew dyh was scum despite the fact that it was clearly indicated otherwise.
No no you don't understand the question.
Broken down:
1) You thought scum was "targeting" MrZ
2) But... the only player that was "targeting" MrZ was DoYouHas
3) The only person you could have reasonably thought was scum was indeed DYH
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Why does JieXian disappear literally the second I get in the thread? This is the 3rd day in a row.
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Yeah, but it's hard to get a read on you when your posting is limited by that timeframe. I'm also generally busy during that time.
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On December 23 2012 04:14 ghost_403 wrote:
@MrCC: At least Eywa talks to DYH in thread. Examining his filter for 30 secounds shows that he actually responds to the stuff that DYH lobs in his general direction. Typically, scumbuddies don't do that; they fear talking to each other too cordially in thread, and talk about serious stuff outside of the thread. I don't see his interactions with DYH implying that he's scum.
You have a very unsophisticated view about how scumteams work.
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On December 23 2012 04:48 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker. I just need you to help me answer the only question I have
Are you looking for excuses to find that he's not scum, or are you looking for scum JX?
In addition, that's not the only thing he needs to answer for. See section 3 of my case:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232
On the Day 2 lynch, he voted for his top town read instead of DoYouHas.
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I mean what more do we need to lynch this guy?
On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special.
"Yeah, ya know all those scumreads and stuff I was doing early the game? They were all lies, I never believed one of them and never had a scumread."
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On December 23 2012 04:57 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 04:48 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker. I just need you to help me answer the only question I have Are you looking for excuses to find that he's not scum, or are you looking for scum JX? In addition, that's not the only thing he needs to answer for. See section 3 of my case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232On the Day 2 lynch, he voted for his top town read instead of DoYouHas. I already stated that I have a strong townie read on him and a scum read was weaker. That voting on mrz can be rationalised by my exact actions that day voting for mrz to sway the vote away from the target of one's top suspects at that time, hapa and mrcc.
No no, see the problem is that MrZ was his top town read, and Eywa voted for him. Why would you vote for your top town read over someone you think has a chance of flipping scum? And don't forget, Eywa never had any scumreads this game:
On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
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##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
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##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special.
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I mean think about it. He said he never had a scumread, and yet he pushed Mr.CC to get lynched without any attempts at compromise (until given the opportunity to vote MrZ - his top town-read).
So what was all that Mr.CC stuff then? He wanted to get Mr.CC lynched for shits and giggles.
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On December 23 2012 05:04 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:59 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 04:57 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 04:48 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:40 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 04:29 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:25 JieXian wrote:
eywa if you don't plan on ignoring my question please answer me so I can make my decision and have a nap There's absolutely no reason to vote one over the other. For instance, Djodref didn't even seem to think DYH was scum while every other time he was so passionate about his scum claims. I attack people with minimal proof behind it and poke at every slip in their rage... I know I'm not scum, but from your point of view, assuming you are town, there's no advantage to voting either. wtf eywa I'm not trying to save myself I'm trying to find scum. There was only one thing that stuck out for their long cases against you. Please explain this. On December 21 2012 06:54 Hapahauli wrote:Eywa-On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote:
Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli
Who's assisting these guys? On December 20 2012 04:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 20 2012 04:49 kushm4sta wrote:
scum please silver bullet me lol They used it on Hapahauli. He needs to answer for this. It's very difficult to rationalize this for a town perspective. Behavior suggests he's town, however, him being absent from the thread this cycle is very concerning. Don't let him off the hook. Eywa I've been having a strong town read on you for reasons that can also be rationalised as scummy, though it'll be weaker. I just need you to help me answer the only question I have Are you looking for excuses to find that he's not scum, or are you looking for scum JX? In addition, that's not the only thing he needs to answer for. See section 3 of my case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=112#2232On the Day 2 lynch, he voted for his top town read instead of DoYouHas. I already stated that I have a strong townie read on him and a scum read was weaker. That voting on mrz can be rationalised by my exact actions that day voting for mrz to sway the vote away from the target of one's top suspects at that time, hapa and mrcc. No no, see the problem is that MrZ was his top town read, and Eywa voted for him. Why would you vote for your top town read over someone you think has a chance of flipping scum? And don't forget, Eywa never had any scumreads this game: On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special. he's just saying who he voted for witchcraft, that's NOT a townie read. He could be lying too.He hasn't offered long posts with spoilers like you all do. That's true too. You case sucks. Still, I'm keeping my vote on eywa until he answers me with some simple logical explaination if he has one. ##Vote Eywa-
Why would he lie about a witchcraft read unless he was mafia?
Secondly, a witchcraft vote does imply that he thinks MrZ is town. You vote your townreads for witchcraft - it's the basic mechanic. Not only that, but he refuses to vote anyone other than MrZ, implying that MrZ is the ONLY strong town read he has.
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On December 23 2012 05:07 JieXian wrote:
No, I made a mistake of voting my strong townie read on D1 and I didn't repeat it
That was Thrawn right?
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Also I don't think you understand the severity of this. He didn't just vote for his top town read inconsequentially. He voted for his top town read to lead a counterwagon against confirmed mafia. That's pretty darn bad.
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Then after DYH flips, Eywa loses all motivation in the game, stops posting, and his self-proclaimed "aggressive" playstyle that "calls out people for minor things" is non existent.
Think about it. Eywa doesn't have any scumreads right now. EYWA. That sure as hell isn't town. It's scum losing motivation to play the game.
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On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote:
wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember
Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED.
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On December 23 2012 05:19 JieXian wrote:
I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has
What does this have to do with the matter at hand JX? I'm not attacking him for not posting town reads. I'm attacking him because he went after the one town read he posted!
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On December 23 2012 05:21 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote:
wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED. ? inconsequential early-game pressure vote? thrawn? how is this related to eywa
Your vote on DP was an inconsequential early-game pressure vote.
Whereas Eywas vote on MrZ was an attempt to ride a counterwagon against confirmed scum (DYH).
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On December 23 2012 05:22 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:19 JieXian wrote:
I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has What does this have to do with the matter at hand JX? I'm not attacking him for not posting town reads. I'm attacking him because he went after the one town read he posted! ok so we can agree that eywa voted his ONLY town read and not his TOP town read
Yes we can. What's the difference?
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On December 23 2012 05:23 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:21 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote:
wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED. ? inconsequential early-game pressure vote? thrawn? how is this related to eywa Your vote on DP was an inconsequential early-game pressure vote. Whereas Eywas vote on MrZ was an attempt to ride a counterwagon against confirmed scum (DYH). Though, DYH decided to vote MrZ rather than Mr.Cheesecake.
Doesn't change the fact that you voted a town read to prevent DYH from getting lynched.
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On December 23 2012 05:25 Eywa- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:24 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:23 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:21 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:18 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:14 JieXian wrote:
wth no, it was dp. I was thinking thrawn was mafia the whole of D1 remember Oh, well that's pretty inconsequential early-game pressure vote, as opposed to trying to get your top town read LYNCHED. ? inconsequential early-game pressure vote? thrawn? how is this related to eywa Your vote on DP was an inconsequential early-game pressure vote. Whereas Eywas vote on MrZ was an attempt to ride a counterwagon against confirmed scum (DYH). Though, DYH decided to vote MrZ rather than Mr.Cheesecake. Doesn't change the fact that you voted a town read to prevent DYH from getting lynched. You're right, however, your stating of that fact has no value either.
Sure it has value. Because it's scummy.
You voted for someone you thought was town to prevent scum from getting lynched. Mafia do those sorts of things.
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Hell I've given you an opportunity to answer for all your actions, but you keep dodging my questions.
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