EPTAruging has a negative connotation to it, imo.
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Aruging has a negative connotation to it, imo. | ||
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Djodref
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On December 20 2012 12:12 kushm4sta wrote: How can anyone think this??? Drazak is just a big unknown pretty much to me. Calm the fuck down, Kush, I've just changed my mind. I posted this before checking again what happened before the DYH lynch. By the way, do you really have no breadcrumbs ? Is there any posts showing that you a blue mentality, or that you had a green check on DYH ? | ||
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kushm4sta
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Djodref
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On December 20 2012 12:27 kushm4sta wrote: why aren't you answering my question tho djo... how can your biggest scumread be of an unreadable lurker? He is not unreadable. He has done zero scumhunting, and he has clearly shown very little interest in this game, very similar to DYH play in fact. And, if we proceed by elimination, he has more chances to flip scum than other players in this game, at the exception of JieXan. By the way, I didn't say he was my top scumread, I've said that he had the most chances to flip scum at that moment, and it was before checking JieXan's filter... Please also answer my questions. You have been avoiding too many questions addressed to you in this game, Kush. What do you make of Jx right now ? Could you show me any post where you hint that you were blue, or that you had a green check on DYH ? | ||
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Djodref
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On December 20 2012 12:36 kushm4sta wrote: ::crickets:: i swear to god, every time i go back to this thread I read some new scummy thing djodreff has posted Oh, yeah, and then everytime I'm addressing your comments, ask you some questions back and you disappear. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 20 2012 12:41 Djodref wrote: He is not unreadable. He has done zero scumhunting, and he has clearly shown very little interest in this game, very similar to DYH play in fact. And, if we proceed by elimination, he has more chances to flip scum than other players in this game, at the exception of JieXan. By the way, I didn't say he was my top scumread, I've said that he had the most chances to flip scum at that moment, and it was before checking JieXan's filter... Please also answer my questions. You have been avoiding too many questions addressed to you in this game, Kush. What do you make of Jx right now ? Could you show me any post where you hint that you were blue, or that you had a green check on DYH ? Hapa did this already, methinks. | ||
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Djodref
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Djodref
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I want him to show me, hopefully he has post other clues in his filter... | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Djodref
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On December 20 2012 12:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: DP won witchcraft... Kush won witchcraft... Who was the third? Thrawn I guess | ||
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Djodref
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Hapahauli
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Anywho Kush, it's not acceptable at this point for you to keep name-dropping possible scumteam members without any rationale. If you believe Djo is scum, build a case. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 20 2012 06:43 Keirathi wrote: Vote Count! DoYouHas (5) - Hapahauli, MrZentor, Mr. Cheesecake, Djodref, kush MrZentor (2) - DoYouHas, Eywa-, JieXian Mr. Cheesecake (1) - Not Voting (1) - Drazak With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Currently DoYouHas is set to be lynched! This is my scumteam at the moment. I don't think anyone on the DYH wagon was scum. It was very difficult to put together, and everyone consolidating at the end felt very townie and genuine. In addition, I can't see where mafia would have bussed DYH. The counterwagons were sufficiently strong where going on DYH was not a straightforward play. Drazak seems like a pretty straightforward scum candidate. Fairly useless, no scumhunting, etc. Hopefully he gets modkilled so we can see him flip. Between Eywa and JieXian, I'm leaning towards JieXian for a couple of reasons. 1) It feels like JieXian was just stuck in attack-mode all game for no reason. His play can only be described as purposefully antagonistic. Him switching between Mr.CC and MrZ shows lots of anti-town motive, and reads a lot like a guy going all-out to save DYH. 2) When I was attacking JieXian early in the game, he buddied Eywa and thought he was town for zero rationale. He was treating Eywa as if he knew Eywa would flip town. 3) DYH's suspicion on Eywa suggests that Eywa is town. DYH was very comfortable with the idea that "Eywa was scummy", and didn't back off until early D2 when Eywa was playing far more constructive. It reads a lot like DYH was fueling the fires of a mislynch. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 20 2012 15:02 Hapahauli wrote: This is my scumteam at the moment. I don't think anyone on the DYH wagon was scum. It was very difficult to put together, and everyone consolidating at the end felt very townie and genuine. In addition, I can't see where mafia would have bussed DYH. The counterwagons were sufficiently strong where going on DYH was not a straightforward play. Drazak seems like a pretty straightforward scum candidate. Fairly useless, no scumhunting, etc. Hopefully he gets modkilled so we can see him flip. Between Eywa and JieXian, I'm leaning towards JieXian for a couple of reasons. 1) It feels like JieXian was just stuck in attack-mode all game for no reason. His play can only be described as purposefully antagonistic. Him switching between Mr.CC and MrZ shows lots of anti-town motive, and reads a lot like a guy going all-out to save DYH. 2) When I was attacking JieXian early in the game, he buddied Eywa and thought he was town for zero rationale. He was treating Eywa as if he knew Eywa would flip town. 3) DYH's suspicion on Eywa suggests that Eywa is town. DYH was very comfortable with the idea that "Eywa was scummy", and didn't back off until early D2 when Eywa was playing far more constructive. It reads a lot like DYH was fueling the fires of a mislynch. Totally forgot about that. Combined with the fact that DYH was setting up for my lynch if I lynched Eywa, I think that team pretty much makes sense. I don't see a team where JX isn't scum. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Hapahauli
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Djodref
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JieXian I'll tunnel and then I'll tunnel, but I'm also going to back it up with some speculation Intro I'm glad to introduce you my new case against JieXian. I'm going to present you the following points which are proving that JieXian is scum.
Part I --- His OP with le scumslip I'd like to remind you here my previous case against JieXian. I've updated it a little, but it is still standing. + Show Spoiler [Jiexian's scumslip] + JieXan Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote: Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post. I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on) Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame. Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. Some additional comments: JieXian didn't state at all that he had town reads on DP and Hapa in the first post. If he had town reads, why not explaining his townreads first, and then counterbalancing them with the small things he found suspicious ? Also why enter the thread by giving town reads ? The answer is that this post was meant to spread suspicion on DP and Hapa. The problem (for JX), is the scumslip. Please also not the vote for MrZentor for a very weak reason, and that MrZentor has also been pushed by DYH. Part II --- Cheese's Tunnel Here are the reasons I could find which JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Cheese.
The fact that Cheese didn't want to risk a no-lynch to follow a vote on thrawn which made little sense from JieXian's perspective is perfectly acceptable and is quite pro-town. I'm not going to explain here why no-lynches are bad for town, at the exception of MYLO situation, but we can develop this point in the post game if you want. And yet, JieXian proceeded to clutter the thread forcefully with his obsession of Cheese, avoiding constructive discussion on the subject. He dismissed any argument that we presented supporting a town Cheese: Hapa, Kush and me have made some posts in CC's favor and we got no comment on them. Just some "lol, you are scum with CC" type of comments. He didn't want to discuss the fact that preventing a no-lynch is rather pro-town than anti-town. Here is the case which allowed JieXian to call scum all game. Do I need to remind you that Cheese was DYH's contender for the lynch ? JieXian was pushing his scum agenda here. + Show Spoiler [JieXan's case] + On December 18 2012 00:47 JieXian wrote: Mrcc care to explain all that? Makes a case on thrawn -> drops it -> I push it -> claims he's not talking to me -> said he'd lynch thrawn -> calls him a random ass person HELLO? Pretty weak to call someone scum during all game... Part III --- Hapa's Tunnel I'm not sure if I really understood the reasons that JieXian presented to support his idea of a scum Hapa.
First of all, it was obvious that Hapa's lynch was not going to happen. But by cluttering the thread, barking that Hapa was scum, JieXian is achieving the following objectives. He disrupts the thread and creates a bad atmosphere in the town, while discrediting the strongest town player of this game. He also diverts the attention from DYH's lynch which was gaining some momentum. Please also note, that once again, he's avoiding constructive discussion on Hapa. On December 20 2012 03:20 Djodref wrote: No, speculation is speculation. I called it stupid before but this thread had enough flaming already. But when speculation points toward conclusions that is really likely to be wrong (ie, Hapa is scum), it means that the assumptions you are making are wrong. If you are seriously believing that Hapa is scum, please present me a short list of arguments supporting this theory. Could you do that for me ? Guess what, I've never got this short list of arguments. Nor a proper case against Hapa. And he could never admit that his speculation was certainly bad. Like, Hapa has been voted blue because DP was ! Him being so obsessed with this leads me to think that he is the Witch Hunter and that he has maybe tried to shoot DP and Hapa at the beginning of N1. The speculation achieves two objectives: making townies doubting Hapa and encouraging them to talk about their votes, if the mafia team has still a bullet. It is soft-bluehunting, if you want... Part IV --- Lynch Derailments Morbidius Lynch I think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH Lynch One thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote: #unvote ##Vote MrZentor I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town. hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. Part V --- Association with DYH I don't think that I have to mention again that JieXian forcefully tried to get DYH out of the lynch. But, on top of that we have all this posts where JieXian is defending DYH. + Show Spoiler [Jx posts to try to save DYH] + Here is tried to get Kush on his side, and he finally tries to vote MrZentor (?!) with the worst reason ever... On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote: #unvote ##Vote MrZentor I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town. hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was That makes at least 4 mafia in this game, with most of them being really looking townies, even before DYH flips. And before that we had On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote: I call SCUMPSLIP To try to get people vote you I guess. And also look how he tries to talk MrZentor out of DYH lynch... On December 20 2012 03:12 JieXian wrote: ok it's 2 am and I'm feeling really sleepy and this really sucks will try to wake up in time for lynch Zentor what happened to the hapa blue shot arguement. djo you basically called it speculation, which is a euphemism for "stupid nonsense On December 20 2012 02:53 JieXian wrote: wth ? he thought I was scum and let go and he still thinks eywa is scum I also found this one, which I really like  On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote: @ JieXan Here is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better  Especially mines ^^ Anyway...
And here comes JieXian answer ^^ On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote: lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh No you ! Conclusion JieXian is Scum ! We have to lynch him tomorrow ! | ||
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