EPTMaybe I should have just went along with it and pretended like I was serious to see what he would have said, now we will never know :[
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Maybe I should have just went along with it and pretended like I was serious to see what he would have said, now we will never know :[ | ||
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I thought about this plan after I already pointed out to him I was joking - the chance is no longer there. | ||
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Badgering people then voting them when they ignore his badgering | ||
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Also, if you haven't already, contact the coaches, they signed up because they want to help so don't be afraid to talk with them. [that is true for everyone in the thread] | ||
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Yamato77 As I have stated before, I find Yamato's incessant policy talk a bit suspicious and that was the first thing to draw my attention to him. I have to look at it and see what his possible intentions could be. As town, policy talk is ok to start with, but I think it is best to say what needs to be said and not dwell on it much, where as scum would try and drown the thread with as much policy talk as possible as it is really unlikely to gain any useful information from it. Taking a look at Yamato's filter shows that most of it is policy talk and then he has an exchange with Axl. Now on his points against Axl I am in agreement. Axl is posting way too much in the way of "I am a noob and everyone else here is better than me" and things of that sort, and I too expect this to end. But I am not sure if the way Yamato reacted to this is town oriented. I can't help but feel that from a town perspective, someone would be a bit more helpful and not putting so much pressure on him and then throwing a vote on him when he doesn't respond. To elaborate a bit: So far Axl is putting out this vibe of being a noobie. Now I won't say town or scum because he is not doing a great job of answering questions and is really posting way too much about how noobie he thinks he is. To me, a town would look at this and react by first encouraging Axl but then pushing him slightly. A good example would be to give some support but to remind him that he needs to just post what he is thinking and why for the sake of town clarity. Here is my post directed at Axl: On December 04 2012 15:11 Kickstart wrote: Axle being new is not a bad thing and being unsure isn't. In my first game I didn't really know what I was doing either (and to say I know exactly what I am doing now would be a stretch) but I just tried to be as honest as I could and put my thoughts and opinions out there and that alone will show what your intentions are. If you are town, and you tell everyone what you think and why, then you have done your job (as far as confirming your "townyness" (or whatever the right word is) is concerned), the only other thing to do is to try and find scum, but it should be clear who you think is scum when you give your thoughts and the reasoning behind them. Also, if you haven't already, contact the coaches, they signed up because they want to help so don't be afraid to talk with them. [that is true for everyone in the thread] I gave as much support as I could but I also made it clear that it is important for Axl to post what he is thinking and why; and note that other players reacted in much the same way as I did. Now look at the way Yamato reacts to Axl: On December 04 2012 12:19 yamato77 wrote: Lurker lynch discussion IS a day one plan in my opinion, at least early on where people don't have much to talk about anyway. You weren't responding so I decided to ask you again, because your input is valuable to MY evaluation process. So in essence it's the same question. Either you participate in the lurker lynch discussion or offer up your own plan of action for town day one. On December 04 2012 12:20 yamato77 wrote: EBWOP: Or you lurk and avoid my questions until I vote for you. On December 04 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote: By the way right now it seems like you're avoiding me. On December 04 2012 12:40 yamato77 wrote: EBWOP: Oh, you actually ARE avoiding me, cool. ##Vote AxleGreaser This is almost the exact opposite reaction that I and pretty much everyone else in the thread have displayed in regards to Axl. Yamato is being really aggressive (I used the term badgering earlier). He doesn't see that there is a timid first timer and try and be encouraging but productive, he instead seems to try and take this opportunity to attack and throw his vote onto a noobie town. Rad On Rad only one thing has stuck out to me so far. He took a post (this time by me) and immediately jumped on it. I made a post earlier joking that we should lynch oats for his play last game (was just kidding Oats <3 ) which was followed by a "jkjk" post. In my mind Rad was reading through the thread, saw the first post and then replied without even bothering to read further (where he would have found the "jkjk"). Again I look at this and think a) what would a town player do, and then, b) what would a scum player do. For me the initial town reaction would be to just say something like "wow that is really dumb, why would you focus on something that happened last game" and then he would move on (unless the person was for whatever reason really serious about it - which seems very unlikely). The initial scum reaction would be to see it as an opportunity to attack. Here are the three posts, first two by me and third is his response to my first post: On December 04 2012 11:06 Kickstart wrote: O yeah that reminds me, I am down for lynching Oats due to his play last game. Anyone else? On December 04 2012 11:06 Kickstart wrote: jkjk On December 04 2012 11:11 Rad wrote: You're down for lynching strictly based on his play from last game (where he was town) rather than scum hunting and lynching your biggest scum read? What exactly do you expect to get from this? Now this could be read as a post from either alignment, but to me I lean scum on his post. As I said I would expect a town player to just dismiss it out of hand (look at Oats post where he is jokes back with me about not holding grudges from previous games etc) and move on unless I was serious about it and pushed it further, but Rad seems to really want to push this and looks like he is trying to make a case of it by preempting his objection with "...rather than scum hunting and lynching your biggest scum read?" Unfortunately I immediately revealed that I was joking and then the whole thing was dropped, otherwise I could have maybe pressed it a bit and gotten more of a reaction from him, but again I view his initial reaction as slightly scummy. /serious portion And just for lolz my day 1 association case that I promised: (this is not serious respond to my other points that I made above this you jerks): On December 04 2012 12:59 Rad wrote: I think he goes red with anger easily and if town, confirmation bias will kill his ability to reason. However, his actions are pushing for conversation and that's a good thing (especially at the beginning). If axle feels pressured to talk more, great, and if he doesn't, we can read the situation based on that. I don't really like how you stopped it early on though. Would you prefer yamato ask a question, get ignored, and drop it? | ||
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Guess I will have to wait until more people are up to get more feedback on my humongous post, seems that most people called it a night a while ago. | ||
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FoS = finger of suspicion, meaning I was throwing out there that I found what yamato was doing to be suspicious, which I think I explained adequately. Oats has completely twisted my view on lurker lynch and what I said, I said that I will lynch scum reads over lurkers unless I have no solid reads. Don't know how he is able to twist what I say to suit his meaning as I thought I was very clear in what I thought about policy talk. If you are going to make a case against me for FoSing yamato, then you better start addressing the actual points I made (check the huge post I made about yamato and rad), otherwise I am going to ignore you. | ||
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Yes it can be. I explained how wanting to pressure him is not a scum trait but I expanded pretty heavily on how you went about it compared to how others did. | ||
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Oats can you try and be less stupid and more productive than you were last game? So far you are doing a shit job if that is your goal. | ||
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The pressuring has nothing to do with it at all. It is how you did it. I posted how I responded to Axl (which was in line with everyone else at the time) and I said some words of encouragement but told him that he needs to answer questions and post his thoughts and the reasoning behind them, you on the other hand pressure him by saying "OMG HE IS IGNORING ME" and then throwing a vote his way - if people can't see the point I am making there then there is not much I can do to expand on this. | ||
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Seriously if this is how discussion is going to go I am not interested. I post a serious post spelling out my every thought and why and then people just clutter up the thread with complete shit and make cases on me by ignoring the largest and most comprehensive post in the thread. | ||
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